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Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 7:36pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
Question: What proof can you show that Jesus really existed as you Christians claim? A lot of times here on Nairaland, many atheists and agnostics have expressed doubt as to whether Jesus Christ is not just a Western-conceived myth. On Facebook, same thing is common, especially by White atheists. Many claim nobody ever really existed as Jesus Christ. Personally, I find this question very ridiculous and out of place to deny the existence of Someone who graced the earth JUST 2000 years ago. Think about it. Is that too long? Were there no records of history dating back to thousands of years before Christ came? Why have atheists never doubted the possibility that the following people existed: -Mohammed, who was born about 600 years after the death and resurrection of Christ -Julius Caesar who lived years before Christ came to the Earth -Buddha who was born 480 years before AD, etc. -Alexander the Great who died before before Christ came I think the reason atheists do this is to attempt to wipe off the nudge of authenticity they have about the uniqueness of Christ/Christianity amongst other religions. 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 8:18pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
“Some judgments are so probable as to be certain; for example, Jesus really existed, and He really was crucified, just as Julius Caesar really existed and was assassinated....We can in fact know as much about Jesus as we can about any figure in the ancient world.” - Marcus Borg, Professor of Religion and Culture at Oregon State University, in THE MEANING OF JESUS: TWO VISIONS 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 8:20pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
“Jesus did exist; and we know more about him than about almost any Palestinian Jew before 70 C.E.” - Prof James Charlesworth, Princeton Theological Seminary, in Jesus Within Judaism |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by vaxx: 8:27pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
some atheist also claim Muhammad Never exist... so it is not peculiar to Christianity alone 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 8:44pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
Some do doubt whether the Buddha ever existed. And there are just way too many sources of information for a rational being to doubt that Mohammed, Caesar and Alexander, existed. Its not the case for Jesus, but that's no surprise as he wasn't exactly on the scale of those 3 and was pretty much a voice in the wilderness until after he was dead. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 8:49pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
vaxx:This is my first time of hearing this. The focus has always been about Jesus Christ; some just brought Mohammed into it as a form of balance. 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 8:53pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
budaatum:Jesus was never a voice in the wilderness. He was widely known far and wide. He travelled the length and breadth of the ancient world, especially the countries surrounding then Palestine. |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by vaxx: 9:07pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
Daviddson:NO, it is issue that has being trending for long, you remember the Denmark film maker who depict Muhammad in form of a cartoon? just do a simple google search, it will tell you more than i can do... but the ironic story is this, No atheist doubt that the information Plato claim to receive from Socrates after 30 years of his death were really true and valid... all the information available about Socrates today were put down by Plato after a three good decade of his master( socrates dies_ .. |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Nobody: 9:09pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
vaxx: Even at that, Christianity happens to be the most Criticized religion by the Atheists. It is as if Christianity is the only Religion on Earth. African traditional religion is not even as attacked by Atheists as Christianity. But the reason is boldly written on the Wall. ![]() Truth has many enemies ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by vaxx: 9:21pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
Daviddson:i am currently reading a book that state Jesus likely traveled to India to learn riki practice( the act of healing with natural hands) at the age of 12, according to the bible, Jesus story was silent from that age to the age of 30 years.... it is regarded as the missing years... the book said Buddha also follow the root 500 years before Jesus did... you can get it on amazon. It is called THE AQUARIAN GOSPEL OF JESUS THE CHRIST BY LEVI.... try and get it, it is interesting . |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by vaxx: 9:28pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
tamethem:i think the reason behind it, is most atheist are formerly Christians, so they know little to nothing about Islam... they better attack what they can defend. i once visit this website, is the first atheist website according to the founder, atheist republic.... the founder happens to be former Muslim... he majorly attack Islam... ON the case of ATR, majority of them are not interested since it is very small in number ... my opinion though.... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 9:36pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
vaxx:Those are made-up stories. I don't want to say much on that. |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by vaxx: 9:44pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
Daviddson:ok, but do not conclude that bible is the only source of true information on the reality of Jesus Christ.... it is called fundamentalism..... since the event happens in the past, we can only study sequence of the story and how parallel they resemble before we can say this is indeed true.... i do not say bible is anyway not trustworthy, in fact it can be used alongside other information to derive the truth.... The book is well explained in a way you will have little doubt about it... |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by akintom(m): 9:52pm On Mar 14, 2018 |
Daviddson: The Jesus with the following attributes: *virgin birth *walked on water *worked miracle *died and resurrected Is a myth. 4 Likes |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 5:08am On Mar 15, 2018 |
Daviddson:Your "ancient world" must have been tiny compared to the known world at the time! Some say he married Mary Magdalene and his descendants came to Europe and became the royal families. Cf. The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by budaatum: 6:32am On Mar 15, 2018 |
vaxx:You generalise way too much. Just an ounce of research is required to conclude that Plato was writing fiction. He is not exactly read for historical fact by many, but for his philosophical thought which was borne aloft with his rather wonky and spurious 'facts'. Not many atheists actually dispute the historicity of Jesus either, as there is sufficient evidence for someone of that name to have existed. The dispute usually is about the things written about him in the Gospels, which - since they were written much longer after his death than the three decades after which you claim Plato wrote about Socrates, and not by eyewitnesses - should be enough for some amount of scepticism about the facts, which is what you'd find in the atheist but would be completely nonexistent in the believer. The Buddha also has his life detailed in similar fashion (by Herman Hess, and in the more ancient Buddhacarita by Aśvaghoṣa, Lalitavistara Sutra or the Mahāvastu for instance, to name a few), but some will tell you that it is impossible to know in such detail about the life of the Buddha, just as it is likely that not much, outside of religious rhetoric, is known about Christ. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Nobody: 6:47am On Mar 15, 2018 |
well what I would say about the topic is this,it is possible that one Jew in the first century claimed to be the Messiah, siad he could do miracles and that he was sent by Yahweh,was baptized,had disciples,claimed he would rise again after death,and probably crucified for being a threat to social unity. The thing is this for me I think that someone who bore the resemblance of Jesus existed,but if that person was called Jesus am not so sure,maybe he was a Joshua,I also find it had to believe that all those miracles he allegedly performed was true since there is not sufficient evident on that. So my conclusion is this,Jesus(may not have been his real name) existed and was a Jewish preacher in the 1st century who like various other people before and after him claimed to be the Messiah,gathered followers,was baptized by a Jewish preacher and crucified by the Roman government,however I don't think his representation on the Gospel is correct. 3 Likes |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Auki: 6:54am On Mar 15, 2018 |
Jesus did exist, have no iota of doubt about that. However, the Jesus that today's christian are calling as God, son of God or part the Trinity is the construction of the Roman pagans. 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 8:18am On Mar 15, 2018 |
budaatum:These are concocted tales. No shred of evidence to back them up, unlike the innumerable strings of evidence about the fact of Jesus's being, apart from the Bible account. |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 8:27am On Mar 15, 2018 |
Auki:Do you have any evidence to this effect? |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 8:29am On Mar 15, 2018 |
vaxx:You don't sound like you're either a Christian or an atheist. What's your faith description please? |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by 1stSonOfLucifer(m): 12:28pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
Auki:I'm inclined to agree with you on this. 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by CuteMadridista: 12:35pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
https://www.nairaland.com/3206708/reasons-scholars-know-jesus-christ That's a thread that gives intelligent arguments on why OP's imaginary friend never existed 2 Likes |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by tintingz(m): 5:11pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
vaxx:There are more archaeological evidence that supports existence of Muhammed than Jesus, the evidence that Jesus existed isn't strong but we can't deny he existed but not the bible super Jesus. 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by tintingz(m): 5:15pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
Daviddson:The bible is heaven made stories? 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by vaxx: 6:19pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
budaatum:sir budha . omo baba ilu oyinbo. i hail your present sir....... 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by vaxx: 6:36pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
tintingz:Are you saying the bible in its entirety is giving a false information about Jesus and there is no any iota of truth in it we can hold as evidence? |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by vaxx: 6:39pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
Daviddson:i am rooted to my tradition, in other word , i am a traditionalist with respect to every religion on our planet. |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by Daviddson(m): 7:30pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
tintingz:The Bible is a compilation of facts whose content is attested to by different scientific sources, research and diverse studies. It's like saying an event that took place in the 1960s didn't take place just because you weren't born then. |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by tintingz(m): 7:35pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
Daviddson:When you have fact and evidence for Adam and Eve, Noah's flood event, Moses exodus story, talking donkey, flying chariot, virgin birth, Gog and maggog, walking on water etc Then I will take the bible serious. From various historians, the bible is full of ancient-cultural myths. 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by CuteMadridista: 7:46pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
Daviddson: what are the "scientific sources" that attest to talking snakes, talking donkeys, rib woman, IQ raising fruit, virgin giving birth, Dead people waking up and walking around Jerusalem, Demons being the cause of diseases, anointing oil healing sicknesses etc? |
Re: Why You Should Not Bother To Debate Whether Jesus Ever "Existed" by tintingz(m): 7:50pm On Mar 15, 2018 |
vaxx:There might be some little truth about the story of Jesus in the bible but I'm yet to believe them as true as there are no historical evidence to back it up, although the person of Jesus might have existed but many of what is said about him in the bible are myths. What I can accept about Jesus is he's just a motivational speaker, teacher that as knowledge about the Jewish scriptures, charitable man, sentence to death. |
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