The following video is specific to African-American Christians and I imagine to African-Caribbean Christians as well. But I feel the majority of professing Naija Christians feel the same way. If they care at all...

What do you think? After all, through slavery, rape racism and colonisation we got Jesus! Fair exchange


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCZ6PRiQq_w

Since the slave-master is an enemy of the slave, if the slave prays to the same God as the master, he is praying to the God that enabled the slavemaster to enslave him. Therefore, that God is the enemy of the slave or captive just as the slave-master is.

Horus:
Since the slave-master is an enemy of the slave, if the slave prays to the same God as the master, he is praying to the God that enabled the slavemaster to enslave him. Therefore, that God is the enemy of the slave or captive just as the slave-master is.

But it was ultimately BECAUSE of that religion, Christianity, that slavery ended!

ameri9ja:


But it was ultimately BECAUSE of that religion, Christianity, that slavery ended!

They don't care about this

The bigotry is cloudy.

winner01:
They don't care about this

The bigotry is cloudy.

No mind them. Look at the countless number of inhumane and atrocious human customs and practices that ended BECAUSE of christianity.

ameri9ja:


But it was ultimately BECAUSE of that religion, Christianity, that slavery ended!

It was definitely NOT because of the Church of England and the Catholic Church, both of whom were major investors in buying and selling people. Hell, we weren't even allowed into their churches on the plantations. It was mostly Non-Conformists and outsiders at the time like Quakers and Moravians who supported abolition.

Religion wasn't a deciding factor, rather the involvement of ordinary working people who were starting to organise themselves away from priests, kings and foolish slavish rulerships. This is a journey we have yet to make in Nigeria. It was all about empathy (the opposite of religious obedience).

Horus:
Since the slave-master is an enemy of the slave, if the slave prays to the same God as the master, he is praying to the God that enabled the slavemaster to enslave him. Therefore, that God is the enemy of the slave or captive just as the slave-master is.

Reason.

ameri9ja:


But it was ultimately BECAUSE of that religion, Christianity, that slavery ended!

absolutely NOT! it wasn't BECAUSE of Christianity but INSPITE of Christianity

Christianity fully endorses slavery so if slavery was ended it would be inspite of it not because of it

CuteMadridista:


absolutely NOT! it wasn't BECAUSE of Christianity but INSPITE of Christianity

Read about William Wilberforce and others, on what grounds did they fight for the abolition of slavery? TRUE Christianity is simply incompatible with man's inhumanity to man.

CuteMadridista:


absolutely NOT! it wasn't BECAUSE of Christianity but INSPITE of Christianity

Christianity fully endorses slavery so if slavery was ended it would be inspite of it not because of it

Don't mind them jare, it was atheism that ended slavery.

winner01:
Don't mind them jare, it was atheism that ended slavery.

That's your opinion

ameri9ja:


No mind them. Look at the countless number of inhumane and atrocious human customs and practices that ended BECAUSE of christianity.

Did you watch the video?

Did you read my first comments?

We came to Jesus through the mass murder and enslavement of our people.

The question you are refusing to answer is: Is your personal salvation through 'knowledge' of Jesus Christ worth the bloodshed and rape of our brothers and sisters

Over to you.

ameri9ja:


Read about William Wilberforce and others, on what grounds did they fight for the abolition of slavery? TRUE Christianity is simply incompatible with man's inhumanity to man.

Oga, don't feed us, we know how to eat

Wilberforce fought for abolition of slavery inspite of the fact that he was a Christian NOT because he was a Christian

CuteMadridista:


absolutely NOT! it wasn't BECAUSE of Christianity but INSPITE of Christianity

Christianity fully endorses slavery so if slavery was ended it would be inspite of it not because of it

"Abolitionists were inescapably Christian in their motives, means, and vocabulary. Not that all abolitionists were orthodox Christians, though a large proportion were. But even those who had left the church drew on unmistakably Christian premises, especially on one crucial point: slavery was sin. Sin could not be solved by political compromise or sociological reform, abolitionists maintained. It required repentance; otherwise America would be punished by God. This unpopular message rankled an America that was pushing west, full of self-important virtue as God’s darling."

Since atheists are historically illiterate and won't bother to read but regurgitate stale lines from atheist high priests, let me just copy and paste this here:





Isn't it remarkable that atheists, who did virtually nothing to oppose slavery, condemn Christians, who are the ones who abolished it?

Consider atheist Sam Harris, who blames Christianity for supporting slavery. Harris is right that slavery existed among the Old Testament Jews, and Paul even instructs slaves to obey their masters. During the civil war both sides quoted the Bible. We know all this. (Yawn, yawn.)




But slavery pre-dated Christianity by centuries and even millennia. As we read from sociologist Orlando Patterson's work, all known cultures had slavery. For centuries, slavery needed no defenders because it had no critics. Atheists who champion ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome somehow seem to forget that those empires were based on large-scale enslavement.

Atheist Michael Shermer says Christians are "late comers" to the movement against slavery. Shermer advanced this argument in our Cal Tech debate in December. That debate is now online, and you can watch it at michaelshermer.com.

But if what Shermer says is true, who were the early opponents of slavery who got there before the Christians did? Actually, there weren't any. Shermer probably thinks the Christians only got around to opposing slavery in the modern era.

Wrong. Slavery was mostly eradicated from Western civilization--then called Christendom--between the fourth and the tenth century. The Greco-Roman institution of slavery gave way to serfdom. Now serfdom has its problems but at least the serf is not a "human tool" and cannot be bought and sold like property. So slavery was ended twice in Western civilization, first in the medieval era and then again in the modern era.

In the American South, Christianity proved to be the solace of the oppressed. As historian Eugene Genovese documents in Roll, Jordan, Roll, when black slaves sought to find dignity during the dark night of slavery, they didn't turn to Marcus Aurelius or David Hume; they turned to the Bible. When they sought hope and inspiration for liberation, they found it not in Voltaire or D'Holbach but in the Book of Exodus.




The anti-slavery movements led by Wilberforce in England and abolitionists in America were dominated by Christians. These believers reasoned that since we are all created equal in the eyes of God, no one has the right to rule another without consent. This is the moral basis not only of anti-slavery but also of democracy.

Jefferson was in some ways the least orthodox and the most skeptical of the founders. Yet when he condemned slavery he found himself using biblical language. In Notes on the State of Virginia Jefferson warned that those who would enslave people should reflect that "the Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest." Jefferson famously added, "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that His justice cannot sleep for ever."

But wasn't Jefferson also a man of science? Yes he was, and it was on the basis of the latest science of his day that Jefferson expressed his convictions about black inferiority. Citing the discoveries of modern science, Jefferson noted that "there are varieties in the race of man, distinguished by their powers both of body and of mind...as I see to be the case with races of other animals." Blacks, Jefferson continued, lack the powers of reason that are evident in whites and even in native Indians. While atheists today like to portray themselves as paragons of equal dignity, Jefferson's scientific and skeptical outlook contributed not to his anti-slavery sentiments but to his racism. Somehow Harris and Shermer neglect to point this out.


In the end the fact remains that the only movements that opposed slavery in principle were mobilized in the West, and they were overwhelmingly led and populated by Christians. Sadly the West had to use force to stop slavery in other cultures, such as the Muslim slave trade off the coast of Africa. In some quarters the campaign to eradicate slavery still goes on.

So who killed slavery? The Christians did, while everyone else generally stood by and watched.




Sauce sorry Source*:

https://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2008/01/14/how-christians-ended-slavery-n962085

CuteMadridista:


Oga, don't feed us, we know how to eat

Wilberforce fought for abolition of slavery inspite of the fact that he was a Christian NOT because he was a Christian

"Abolitionists were inescapably Christian in their motives, means, and vocabulary. Not that all abolitionists were orthodox Christians, though a large proportion were. But even those who had left the church drew on unmistakably Christian premises, especially on one crucial point: slavery was sin. Sin could not be solved by political compromise or sociological reform, abolitionists maintained. It required repentance; otherwise America would be punished by God. This unpopular message rankled an America that was pushing west, full of self-important virtue as God’s darling."

ameri9ja:


"Abolitionists were inescapably Christian in their motives, means, and vocabulary. Not that all abolitionists were orthodox Christians, though a large proportion were. But even those who had left the church drew on unmistakably Christian premises, especially on one crucial point: slavery was sin. Sin could not be solved by political compromise or sociological reform, abolitionists maintained. It required repentance; otherwise America would be punished by God. This unpopular message rankled an America that was pushing west, full of self-important virtue as God’s darling."

"Slavery was a sin" says who? where exactly was that written in the bible?

winner01:
[s]Since atheists are historically illiterate and won't bother to read but regurgitate stale lines from atheist high priests, let me just copy and paste this here:




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How Christians Ended Slavery
Dinesh D'Souza | January 14, 2008
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Isn't it remarkable that atheists, who did virtually nothing to oppose slavery, condemn Christians, who are the ones who abolished it?

Consider atheist Sam Harris, who blames Christianity for supporting slavery. Harris is right that slavery existed among the Old Testament Jews, and Paul even instructs slaves to obey their masters. During the civil war both sides quoted the Bible. We know all this. (Yawn, yawn.)


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How Christians Ended Slavery
Dinesh D'Souza | January 14, 2008
facebook

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Isn't it remarkable that atheists, who did virtually nothing to oppose slavery, condemn Christians, who are the ones who abolished it?

Consider atheist Sam Harris, who blames Christianity for supporting slavery. Harris is right that slavery existed among the Old Testament Jews, and Paul even instructs slaves to obey their masters. During the civil war both sides quoted the Bible. We know all this. (Yawn, yawn.)


But slavery pre-dated Christianity by centuries and even millennia. As we read from sociologist Orlando Patterson's work, all known cultures had slavery. For centuries, slavery needed no defenders because it had no critics. Atheists who champion ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome somehow seem to forget that those empires were based on large-scale enslavement.

Atheist Michael Shermer says Christians are "late comers" to the movement against slavery. Shermer advanced this argument in our Cal Tech debate in December. That debate is now online, and you can watch it at michaelshermer.com.

But if what Shermer says is true, who were the early opponents of slavery who got there before the Christians did? Actually, there weren't any. Shermer probably thinks the Christians only got around to opposing slavery in the modern era.

Wrong. Slavery was mostly eradicated from Western civilization--then called Christendom--between the fourth and the tenth century. The Greco-Roman institution of slavery gave way to serfdom. Now serfdom has its problems but at least the serf is not a "human tool" and cannot be bought and sold like property. So slavery was ended twice in Western civilization, first in the medieval era and then again in the modern era.

In the American South, Christianity proved to be the solace of the oppressed. As historian Eugene Genovese documents in Roll, Jordan, Roll, when black slaves sought to find dignity during the dark night of slavery, they didn't turn to Marcus Aurelius or David Hume; they turned to the Bible. When they sought hope and inspiration for liberation, they found it not in Voltaire or D'Holbach but in the Book of Exodus.



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How Christians Ended Slavery
Dinesh D'Souza | January 14, 2008
facebook

twitter

Isn't it remarkable that atheists, who did virtually nothing to oppose slavery, condemn Christians, who are the ones who abolished it?

Consider atheist Sam Harris, who blames Christianity for supporting slavery. Harris is right that slavery existed among the Old Testament Jews, and Paul even instructs slaves to obey their masters. During the civil war both sides quoted the Bible. We know all this. (Yawn, yawn.)


But slavery pre-dated Christianity by centuries and even millennia. As we read from sociologist Orlando Patterson's work, all known cultures had slavery. For centuries, slavery needed no defenders because it had no critics. Atheists who champion ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome somehow seem to forget that those empires were based on large-scale enslavement.

Atheist Michael Shermer says Christians are "late comers" to the movement against slavery. Shermer advanced this argument in our Cal Tech debate in December. That debate is now online, and you can watch it at michaelshermer.com.

But if what Shermer says is true, who were the early opponents of slavery who got there before the Christians did? Actually, there weren't any. Shermer probably thinks the Christians only got around to opposing slavery in the modern era.

Wrong. Slavery was mostly eradicated from Western civilization--then called Christendom--between the fourth and the tenth century. The Greco-Roman institution of slavery gave way to serfdom. Now serfdom has its problems but at least the serf is not a "human tool" and cannot be bought and sold like property. So slavery was ended twice in Western civilization, first in the medieval era and then again in the modern era.

In the American South, Christianity proved to be the solace of the oppressed. As historian Eugene Genovese documents in Roll, Jordan, Roll, when black slaves sought to find dignity during the dark night of slavery, they didn't turn to Marcus Aurelius or David Hume; they turned to the Bible. When they sought hope and inspiration for liberation, they found it not in Voltaire or D'Holbach but in the Book of Exodus.


The anti-slavery movements led by Wilberforce in England and abolitionists in America were dominated by Christians. These believers reasoned that since we are all created equal in the eyes of God, no one has the right to rule another without consent. This is the moral basis not only of anti-slavery but also of democracy.

Jefferson was in some ways the least orthodox and the most skeptical of the founders. Yet when he condemned slavery he found himself using biblical language. In Notes on the State of Virginia Jefferson warned that those who would enslave people should reflect that "the Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest." Jefferson famously added, "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that His justice cannot sleep for ever."

But wasn't Jefferson also a man of science? Yes he was, and it was on the basis of the latest science of his day that Jefferson expressed his convictions about black inferiority. Citing the discoveries of modern science, Jefferson noted that "there are varieties in the race of man, distinguished by their powers both of body and of mind...as I see to be the case with races of other animals." Blacks, Jefferson continued, lack the powers of reason that are evident in whites and even in native Indians. While atheists today like to portray themselves as paragons of equal dignity, Jefferson's scientific and skeptical outlook contributed not to his anti-slavery sentiments but to his racism. Somehow Harris and Shermer neglect to point this out.


In the end the fact remains that the only movements that opposed slavery in principle were mobilized in the West, and they were overwhelmingly led and populated by Christians. Sadly the West had to use force to stop slavery in other cultures, such as the Muslim slave trade off the coast of Africa. In some quarters the campaign to eradicate slavery still goes on.

So who killed slavery? The Christians did, while everyone else generally stood by and watched.




Sauce sorry Source*:

https://townhall.com/columnists/dineshdsouza/2008/01/14/how-christians-ended-slavery-n962085


[/s]

Off target!

The Bible endorsed slavery so any Christian against slavery is against it inspite of the fact that they were Christians NOT because they were. its obvious whatever made them go against it was something outside the Bible not something inside it

TrajansKong:

Did you watch the video?

Did you read my first comments?

We came to Jesus through the mass murder and enslavement of our people.

The question you are refusing to answer is: Is your personal salvation through 'knowledge' of Jesus Christ worth the bloodshed and rape of our brothers and sisters

Over to you.

Why r u lying to yourself? The missionaries that took Christianity to Africa did so at great personal loss and risk. Had nothing to do with slavery. Chistianity constrained what would have been outright barbarism durring slavery.

ameri9ja:


Read about William Wilberforce and others, on what grounds did they fight for the abolition of slavery? TRUE Christianity is simply incompatible with man's inhumanity to man.

Have you read your Bible?? Have you read your god's commands on buying, selling and punishing slaves

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Bible

This is the same framework that led to the removal and slaughter of millions of Africans.

If anything, WIlberforce was going against the teachings of his magic book. In fact, his defiance to the commands of the Almighty could be classed as a sin!!

CuteMadridista:


Off target!

The Bible endorsed slavery so any Christian against slavery is against it inspite of the fact that they were Christians NOT because they were. its obvious whatever made them go against it was something outside the Bible not something inside it

But the internet is at your disposal guy, Christians ended slavery.

What did atheists do about slavery?

TrajansKong:


Have you read your Bible?? Have you read your god's commands on buying, selling and punishing slaves

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Bible

This is the same framework that led to the removal and slaughter of millions of Africans.

If anything, WIlberforce was going against the teachings of his magic book.

Okay!!!


Atheists ended slavery!!!

Case closed!!!

winner01:
But the internet is at your disposal guy, Christians ended slavery.

What did atheists do about slavery?

stop attempting to shift, you're making your desperation obvious

no one is arguing if Christians fought against slavery or whether they ended it, Christians have always been on each side of almost any divide. Christians are always fighting against something and Christians are always fighting for the same thing. from slavery to abortion to samesex marriage to capitalism to democracy to military etc
Christians are always fighting for and against each of them. look for any controversial topic and you would see Christians on both sides so this nonsense you're repeating is irrelevant


I'm saying the bible endorsed slavery so any Christian against it does so inspite of it not because of it. you're busy fighting a strawman you put up yourself

CuteMadridista:


"Slavery was a sin" says who? where exactly was that written in the bible?

U don't understand because u r not a christian. There is a spirit that goes with being a christian that has nothing to do with the bible or any other book.
The idea of enslaving another human being is totally odious to that spirit.

ameri9ja:


U don't understand because u r not a christian. There is a spirit that goes with being a christian that has nothing to do with the bible or any other book.
The idea of enslaving another human being is totally odious to that spirit.

Nothing to do with Bible?

Lmao! please go and take several seats

CuteMadridista:


Off target!

The Bible endorsed slavery so any Christian against slavery is against it inspite of the fact that they were Christians NOT because they were. its obvious whatever made them go against it was something outside the Bible not something inside it

Bros, u r confusing two things. You are confusing the bible with christianity. There are many things in the bible that run counter to the christian spirit and that are not christian pronciple. I repeat what I posted:

There is a spirit that goes with being a christian that has nothing to do with the bible or any other book.
The idea of enslaving another human being is totally odious to that spirit.

Atheists are specialists in telling us what religion can't do or has done wrong, but will never tell you what atheism can do correctly.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4097577_1122789810693818964391852365028311777142063n_png_jpeg897da8fe73b10c634aec971b3c6ed8e3

In their obsession, they don't care about history or what Christianity have done correctly,

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3865811_111028899297776237329476262370793102570573n_jpegb4b40af5164d71bf4a97f5581b0f0752

I see christians building hospitals, I see christians building educational institutes, Prestigious institutes such as Havard, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge and several others were founded by christians. I see christians building countless orphanages. Christianity runs the largest charity in the world, Christians spend their time in hospital deathbeds-giving hope to the hopeless, in prison cells-giving hope to the condemned, in camps of people who have been rendered homeless by terrorists spreading help and encouragement, consistently engaging in village outreaches amongst others. I see christianity putting smiles on the faces of people. Countless people have become disciples of Christ through the love shown to them. I don't see atheists doing anything but ridicule religious people and their beliefs.

Specialized talkatives

See how happy the villagers below are due to a christian charity organization. What does atheism do or make you do
Talk?

CuteMadridista:


stop attempting to shift, you're making your desperation obvious

no one is arguing if Christians fought against slavery or whether they ended it, Christians have always been on each side of almost any divide. Christians are always fighting against something and Christians are always fighting for the same thing. from slavery to abortion to samesex marriage to capitalism to democracy to military etc
Christians are always fighting for and against each of them. look for any controversial topic and you would see Christians on both sides


I'm saying the bible endorsed slavery so any Christian against it does so inspite of it not because of it. you're busy fighting a strawman you put up yourself

Christians are people who want to be like Christ. We all know the type of life Christ lived.

If Christians created a mess and cleared their own mess, what is your issue

Slavery predates Christianity, Christians ended slavery.

Where is atheism or atheists in all of this? Why can't you tell us what atheism has done or what it can make you do?
Does atheism just make you a talkative and nothing more?

winner01:
But the internet is at your disposal guy, Christians ended slavery.

What did atheists do about slavery?

Very few unbelievers were brave enough to declare themselves publicly during this period. It was similar to Nigeria or most of Black Africa today. They would have been persecuted, shunned, called devil-worshippers or even physically attacked. You will find that most atheists actually like humanity. There is a hatred of hurting others that comes through fellow-feeling not threats of punishment from a jealous, angry sky-god. Slavery sucks. Simple.

Her is an early unbeliever, Robert Ingersoll on Slavery.
https://archive.org/details/africanslaveryin00lcinge

Enjoy

ameri9ja:


Bros, u r confusing two things. You are confusing the bible with christianity. There are many things in the bible that run counter to the christian spirit and that are not christian pronciple. I repeat what I posted:

There is a spirit that goes with being a christian that has nothing to do with the bible or any other book.
The idea of enslaving another human being is totally odious to that spirit.

Oga, you're just trying hard to distance yourself from the slavery endorsing bible cuz you're ashamed your god could've endorsed such a barbaric practice.

Your seeing it as a "sin" proves you have the qualities of a good person whose actions are compatible with modern civilization......Unlike your imaginary Yahweh and Jesus

CuteMadridista:


Nothing to do with Bible?

Lmao! please go and take several seats

The Bible is a BOOK that has been around for millenia, and, like anything that has to do with man, could have easily been corrupted.
True Christianity is guided by spirit not book.
And things like slavery and other human atrocities are immediately repugnant to that spirit.

TrajansKong:

Very few unbelievers were brave enough to declare themselves publicly during this period. It was similar to Nigeria or most of Black Africa today. They would have been persecuted, shunned, called devil-worshippers or even physically attacked. You will find that most atheists actually like humanity. There is a hatred of hurting others that comes through fellow-feeling not threats of punishment from a jealous, angry sky-god. Slavery sucks. Simple.

Her is an early unbeliever, Robert Ingersoll on Slavery.
https://archive.org/details/africanslaveryin00lcinge

Enjoy

lol...
Is this your idea or did you read it from atheist websites?


Do you have any idea of hatred of non religious people from atheists??
Check out my proof of atheists murderous tendencies:

https://www.nairaland.com/3176513/atheist-murderers-past-present-murderous

Think freely guys, don't be clouded by atheistic bigotry.

Question atheism.