NwaAmaikpe:



So who are the women I have sex with in my dream?

The operative word being dream here

This pastor is delusional.

bloodofthelamb:



Being a zealous church goer does not guarantee that someone has faith now... This is the work of God, that ye believe in Christ Jesus.

Why avoid the question?
Have you ever seen Born Again, Tongue Speaking, Serious , Zealous, Word loaded and Righteous in Christ Couple who go to Christ Embassy remain childless for up to ten years?

Why does it look like the scriptures are not of effectbon them?

If you truthfully answer this, you will see that there arena lot experience in the works of our faith give us better understanding of the LOGOS.

bloodofthelamb:



Being a zealous church goer does not guarantee that someone has faith now... This is the work of God, that ye believe in Christ Jesus.

donnaD:

nwannem I dey feel u, my bro na spiritual Ashawo them be.

.is well

daveP:
So by conclusion, he is a cobfusionist himself to speak from two sides of his mouth?


That video is the evidence, and in a law court, that would get him the tag of being confused.

I guess Pastor Chris said the phrase "there is no such thing as spiritual husband" in the context of a fully matured Christian...because he seemed to correct it later in the video by saying that it is a "spiritual reality" for some people.

However, over zealous Christ Embassy members just took it off as if the first phrase is correct.

They should work on their own spiritual experience rather than depending on Pastor Chris's experience.

This table you are trying to shake has OYEDEPO and ADEBAYO sitting on it.

This man bleaches his skin. Look at his multi-coloured fingers. A horrible shame.

there is no confusion. pastor Chris agrees there are demonic activities but that does not make the demons wives or husbands. l agree with him because God personally revealed this to me. that a demon is trying to attach himself to u does not make him husband or wife. the bible says resist the devil and he will flee.I am not a member of his Church

Lomprico2:


I don't understand what u r saying!

I agree that there is nothing like spirit wife or spirit husband!!

Have you seen a demonized person acting like the mad man of the Gaderene?

If you have not, then your exposure is extremely limited to make you have your kind of conclusion

Except, spirits of Lesbianism, Bestialty, Kleptomanism etc do not exist because they are not written in the bible

engrelvis:
my brother u r missing d point.nobody is saying being spiritually n words sound deos nt drive demons away.d point am making from experience is there r some stubborn demons just reading word of God won't drive way because of d way dey came in .u need a higher anointing to uproot dem.after d deliverance u now need to study d word meditate n pray to fill dat void.however some Christian r fortunate dey dnt v dis problem.dat does nt mean is nt there .d video I watch show pastor Chris commanding d demons to leave.d congregation falling down deos nt mean d demons v left dem.n please nobody is glorifying satan.God has already given us power to overcome dem through dat precious name Jesus Christ.

falling down does not mean, it is a demon bro.

No one is lucky not to have demon, but anyone who has no demon has just not open his mind for demons.

He that breaks the edge the serpent will bite. If person no break edge , serpent no go bite

shadeyinka:

No body has said that a spiritually matured person can be demonized. If he is, he may be matured in so many Ares but not the area of spiritual victory in Christ.

I know what the scriptures say about barrenness:

The question I ask is:

Have you ever seen a zealous and committed married couple member of Christ Embassy who is barren?

Is their barrenes a result of faithlessness, unbelieve or ignorance? (If you've met one)


Theory and practicals sometimes look conflicting. However, practicals help is understand theory better. Isn't it?

Name one that you know, don't ask me if I know.

Going to church doesn't make one a Christian, it doesn't matter whether he or she attends Christ embassy or deeper life.

Barrenness is not always a spiritual case, some ladies lost their womb before they got born again, some bad infections, some men have low sperm count, weak erection etc

What is spiritual about low sperm count and infections that a man exposes himself to huh!!


You are carnal bro,

Go and pray for insight.

I did my youth service in warri in mid nineties.i had a gud corper friend .his name was ben.there was a nite we stroll out luking for girls ( I think around 11pm).we were lucky.we brought 2girls to our house.everybody retired to his rm with a girl.around 2 or 3am I heard a shout from Ben room .we all rush out. door gree happen no matter d pressure we applied.after sometime it finally opened.d girl was nowhere to b found.all doors n Windows were firmly locked so where did she pass? Ben was paralyzed waist down.release sperm was all over his body.he cud nt talk.we rush him to Benin dat night.hospital could nt do anything.na church finally deliver am after much spiritual battle.d girl he slept with dat nite spoke through him dat he has possess his soul.i still feel goose pimples just thinking about it.ben is a pastor in Canada now.like I said earlier who never c Na dey talk anyhow

NwaAmaikpe:



So who are the women I have sex with in my dream?

they are jst spiritual runs girls A.K.A （prostitudes..）

alfseth:
God bless you again i'm lifted by this reply people (some christians) dont read diar Bible to back up faith "underestimate the devil"one of the greatest harm a christian can do to his/her spiritual lyf

It's a pity.


And this is my issue with this age of mentorship.


Mentor says and like a zombie you just follow without thinking of rechecking the scriptures.

A shocker is that great MOGs like Hagin, Copeland, Hinn, Osteen etc all had their members during service rebuke them publicly on wrong doctrines. These very men humbly took to corrections.


But try that in a naija church publicly and your eye go see shegeh. Either he cursed you or usher bundles you out. Such arrogance!!

The Berean Christians are still the standard for any group of believers.... They searched the scriptures incase what Paul said was true. And when correlation surfaced, they accepted.


But now, we have brainwashed Christians that follow everyone wind of doctrine(there is a reason it's called "wind" and not "breeze" and that's cos it's strong and persuasive that even the elect would get deceived.)


I sat with a student that loved God and saw the zeal in her. I dunno why I just brought up the issue of salvation as a topic with her and we began to flow. By scriptural back up and how the process for accepting Christ is, I was able to decode that she wasn't saved atall. After explaining that part, I saw that she was shocked, and suddenly grew silent. It was obvious that she wasn't saved. She was just a cultural churchgoer cos her parents did same. And so that translated to being saved for her. Her mentor didn't even ask if she was saved, according to her, and then he "ministered" Baptism of whatever to her. She could kabash for hours at end.... The biggest irony of my life.


So where did the error arise from?

Was this "faith"?

Is this the "By grace you made me who I am" situo?


How many millions of youths out there are just like her?


What sort of faith is she now professing?


The answered are all very scary. And I wonder how the good Lord feel up there at the right hand of the father.


The devil wasnt powerful, yet the most spiritual being ever created fell into sin cos of his persuasiveness and deception@Adam&Eve? The church truly needs prayers!!!


End times we are truly.

TolaTosin:
falling down does not mean, it is a demon bro.

No one is lucky not to have demon, but anyone who has no demon has just not open his mind for demons.

He that breaks the edge the serpent will bite. If person no break edge , serpent no go bite

so u r saint abi? U v never broken d edge ? No problem.nobody opens his mind to demons.is what u do n practice n yr family background dat open u up.i rest my case

engrelvis:
u r d one dat cannot read .we r ving a robust argument here. U can make ur point without being insultive.back to d argument.who told u we r nt suppose to v deliverance ministry? Like I said earlier there r different ministry in d body of Christ. Some r gud in prophecy,some teaching,others evangelism etc.because pastor Chris said something so I cannot question it .at my age (45) n exposure dats nonsense.by God grace I v been in Christian faith over 20yrs.i spend 5yrs with Christ embassy.i was a cell leader.i was among d engineer dat designed one of their churches in Benin in early 2000

You are appealing to your false experience and it does not work in a robust discussion.

I said you cannot read because you keep trying to explain demonic entities and how real they are and I am telling you that you are preaching to the choir.

What that means is...Pastor Chris did not say Demons do not exist. Understand?

There is no such thing as a deliverance ministry. If there is one, use bible verses to teach me. I am willing to learn.

I have met people who were Christians for 30+ years of their lives and when I started showing them scripture, they felt like they had never known the bible all their lives.

So your 20 years means nothing.

Bros I think u need ur wife back cos u are loosing ur sense.Na so u say masturbating is not a sin. Bro u need TB Joshua

daveP:
smh at your thinking. I've challenged my pastor as a Lil kid cos he was saying stuff that weren't scripturally backed up. so you have no idea of what doctrine I believe or not. Such a hasty generalization. keep it up.


How about we start with Daniel's delayed answer to prayer for 21days by the prince of Persia aka Mr devil?


Prince of Persia delayed an angel and for 21days until the topmost angel had to come clear the way....


Should I go further. cos in this same bible you claim to know are allllll the answers I'd used to show you that you know Nada about what you carry. And that's exactly what the devil wants. He doesn't want Christians to know the word, so they would bask in ignorance; an extension of the very crafty he's a legend for.... deception via ignorance.

Hahahjajajaja

This ur mentality is setting you up for destruction.

If u challenged your pastor then u don't know the scriptures.

Lemme lecture you , you quoted a demon restraining an angel.

What is the hierarchy of angels in the realms of the spirit?


Note that there were no Christians in the old testament?

Daniel was not a Christian

Also note that a higher ranked angel came, how come the demon could not stop that angel too

Now what is the hierarchy of a Christian in spiritual realms?

You are too full of yourself and u think you know it all,
Answer the above questions, and come back with your jotter and bible.



@alfseth, hahhahhahahahha jagons

The demons are using him to make u belief that you can be tormented as a Christian, no worry continue and enjoy the torment

Ye all lack understanding, my people perish

Automobile mechanics are very wealthy in my area so i don't understand what you're saying.

Khayri:
There are spiritual wife and husbands and if not taken care of can become a big problem to the person who has it. Some spiritual spouse are not harmful though instead they protect the person while some are harmful and will cause you disappointments, failed marriages/relationship cause your partner to cheat and hate you for no reason, make your partner lose affection for you, in fact spiritual spouse is a very big issue that if not taken care of if you even do charm of prosperity, the effects will be weak because they will block it same with witches and wizard if one does not clear that aspect of life, they will become very serious problem and a person might struggle and struggle without ever realising the problem throughout their life.

That's why some people remain gatekeeper, house boy, local mechanic, prostitutes for the rest of their lives.

shadeyinka:


Did I ever say or insinuate that all barrenness were demonic affliction? Don't put words into my mouth.

If Jesus cast out the spirit of infirmity from a woman bent double, does it mean that all hunch backs have the spirit of inheritances.

I use the example of barrenness from the point of view of the scriptures and our experiences.

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Have you seen barren spiritually mature members of Christ embassy?
If yes, why have they remain barren for so long is the question you are to answer!

There is a legal and then vital truth about Gods word.

For e.g it is a legal truth that Christ died for the whole world. But is the whole world saved? No.

For one to experience that vital truth, they have to accept Jesus lordship by faith and act accordingly.

The same is so for every portion of the word of God.

God said there is no barrenness for his children. That is a legal truth. In reality, some have experienced it. Therefore God lied? No.

Vitally, they are to act on that legal verity and stick to it. The result is they will bare children. Simple.

engrelvis:
.is well

Yeah

I can bet most people did not even watch the video.
He said

There is no spiritual husband or wife...
Only demonic oppressors who give this illusion by a form of manipulation. That is why as Christians we should learn how to cast out demons..

It is a powerful message there. Watch the video before running your fingers

Maestro21:


You are appealing to your false experience and it does not work in a robust discussion.

I said you cannot read because you keep trying to explain demonic entities and how real they are and I am telling you that you are preaching to the choir.

What that means is...Pastor Chris did not say Demons do not exist. Understand?

There is no such thing as a deliverance ministry. If there is one, use bible verses to teach me. I am willing to learn.

I have met people who were Christians for 30+ years of their lives and when I started showing them scripture, they felt like they had never known the bible all their lives.

So your 20 years means nothing.

Mark focused his writings on Deliverance. So the deliverance ministry does exist.

shadeyinka:


I don't believe in the drama people are televising in the name of deliverance. Like you said, every child of God can cast out demons in the same way that every child of God can raise the dead or heal the sick.

My problem is with people who trivialize "healing the sick" as children's bread while never going out to do it.
In the process of doing it, their theology is corrected.

How come almost non of Christ embassy members will enter the Hospital to heal ALL the sick?

Because theory and practicals are different.

If you have never cast out a demon from anyone, you can't use Pastor Chris experience as yours. When you have come across a few demons, your understanding of your theology will deepen.

Can you just shut it? Wt are you expecting? That I start cAsting out devils on nairaland for you to see?

A simple Christ Embassy choir group on a journey from Abuja healed a mad man live on the streets. It's on the internet.

I have healed an old Catholic woman who was trembling and bent over on a stick in an ordinary cell meeting. I led her to Christ, cast out the devil and threw her walking stick away. People gathered as they saw the old woman literally run home, praising God. About 4 young men followed me to church the following Sunday. She lived 4 years after that. She was buried late last year.

I remember weeks later, the news was around the small community. Many even said it was the young guy in whose house the meeting held that healed the woman... and the guy will just keep mute and smile

A little boy tried to share the gospel in school, but his friends wouldn't keep quiet. At a point, he got upset and shouted "take it"!! They all went down under the power. The teachers tried to pick them up, they too went down under the power.

A young friend of mine visited the hospital in Obudu and prayed for the sick and they were getting healed instantly. The next day almost everyone he prayed for was discharged. He visited again, and there was commotion in the wards as people called for prayer. The doctor warned him never to return.

I led a young lady to Christ and ministered the Holy Spirit to her immediately after. The next time she saw me, she said she used to experience a strange being visit her every night, to the point that she was afraid to sleep, but that the oppression ended after I ministered to her. Now she is on fire for the Lord.

I can go on and on, I went on e vangelism with a a small group from our church. We got to meet an atheist who was quite tough to convince. As we turned to leave, one of us, a very young girl told him "your mother at home is sicK with a bad leg". Shocked that she would know that about him, he gave us audience and received Christ.

So guy, we have not followed cunningly deviced fables. We have tasted and seen the power of God. When you look from far, you'll never know. Our children's church and teens church mmembers are casting out devils.

Even those our sisters you see on jeans..... no try o

engrelvis:
so u r saint abi? U v never broken d edge ? No problem.nobody opens his mind to demons.is what u do n practice n yr family background dat open u up.i rest my case

hahhahaja, bros let me lecture you.

When u watch pornoo you open your mind to the devil, u watch horror movies,listen to bad news, read worldly magazine and even watch Big brother Naija you are opening your mind to the devil.

If you live in strive, anger, bitterness, hatred, selfishness , you are opening your heart to the devil

Are you hearing me sir.


If you are truly born again no family demon can posses you, so u are wrong in that too

daveP:
Mark focused his writings on Deliverance. So the deliverance ministry does exist.

my brother I dnt want to argue with him again.his own beliefs is condition by pastor Chris.mine is from experience exposure n walk with d holy spirit

donnie:


I agree with all you said except the bolded. Those who are pastors should preach the whole counsel of God so those who are bound can be free. But no, many deliverance ministers will rather continue their "work", charging fees for counselling, consultation, assignment and deliverance. We know these things.

No preacher can deliver a person better than Jesus would. If you cast out the devil, it can just roam around and return later to posses the person . But the WORD does a permanent job!

Can't stop laughing jawe

daveP:
Mark focused his writings on Deliverance. So the deliverance ministry does exist.

The place engrelvis quoted, did it mention that some are ordined deliverance ministry?

@engrelvis there is no deliverance ministry

The portion only reads, teacher, pastor, evangelist prophets

There is nothing like deliverance ministry, only God can deliver a man.

shadeyinka:

Have you seen a demonized person acting like the mad man of the Gaderene?

If you have not, then your exposure is extremely limited to make you have your kind of conclusion

Except, spirits of Lesbianism, Bestialty, Kleptomanism etc do not exist because they are not written in the bible

And is that spirit spouse?

shadeyinka:


I don't believe in the drama people are televising in the name of deliverance. Like you said, every child of God can cast out demons in the same way that every child of God can raise the dead or heal the sick.

My problem is with people who trivialize "healing the sick" as children's bread while never going out to do it.
In the process of doing it, their theology is corrected.

How come almost non of Christ embassy members will enter the Hospital to heal ALL the sick?

Because theory and practicals are different.

If you have never cast out a demon from anyone, you can't use Pastor Chris experience as yours. When you have come across a few demons, your understanding of your theology will deepen.

Can you just shut it? Wt are you expecting? That I start cAsting out devils on nairaland for you to see?

A simple Christ Embassy choir group on a journey from Abuja healed a mad man live on the streets. It's on the internet.

I have healed an old Catholic woman who was trembling and bent over on a stick in an ordinary cell meeting. I led her to Christ, cast out the devil and threw her walking stick away. People gathered as they saw the old woman literally run home, praising God. About 4 young men followed me to church the following Sunday. She lived 4 years after that. She was buried late last year.

I remember weeks after her healing, the news was around the small community. Many even said it was the young guy in whose house the meeting held that healed the woman... and the guy will just keep mute and smile

A little boy tried to share the gospel in school, but his friends wouldn't keep quiet. At a point, he got upset and shouted "take it"!! They all went down under the power. The teachers came and tried to pick them up, they too went down under the power.

A young friend of mine visited the hospital in Obudu, and prayed for the sick and they were getting healed instantly. The next day almost everyone he prayed for was discharged. He visited again, and there was commotion in the wards as people called for prayer. The doctor warned him never to return.

I led a young lady to Christ and ministered the Holy Spirit to her immediately after. The next time she saw me, she said she used to experience a strange being visit her every night, to the point that she was afraid to sleep, but that the oppression ended after I ministered to her. Now she is on fire for the Lord.

I can go on and on... I went on evangelism with a small group from our church. We got to meet an atheist who was quite tough to convince. As we turned to leave, one of us, a very young girl told him "your mother at home is sicK with a bad leg". Shocked that she would know that about him, he gave us audience and received Christ.

So guy, we have not followed cunningly deviced fables. We have tasted and seen the power of God. When you look from far, you'll never know. Our children's church and teens church members are casting out devils.

Even those our sisters you see on jeans..... no try o

shadeyinka:


What is the name of the demon Jesus cast out from the mad man of Gadarene?

Legion!

"My name is legion, for we are many.."

And Jesus said, liar! A demon will say any thing in the name of deliverance Abi!?

A demon says "I am her husband...I make love to her every night..."
And your response is "its a lie, there is no such thing as spiritual husband"
And in reality, this woman says she was daily molested in her dreams by a giant man!

Judge now!
Even Pastor Chris balanced it at the end of the message if you listened to it ("it is a spiritual reality for some people".

If it is a spiritual reality, then of exists!

With my little exchanges with you in the past and now, you should know I am not a neophyte especially in Gods word.

The demon said Legion therefore the demon was saying the truth? I mean, considering demons are well reputed for truth telling abi?

Did you notice that Jesus never bothered engaging demons? Because that was not the point. They could have been 10 demons in that man and the demons will claim they are over 6000 just to make the person engaging them feel like it would take all his time to get them out. Satan's tricks are not new.

That a demon says I am whatever or that the woman felt someone was having sex with her does not make that a spiritual husband. It is just the way the demon chose to manifest himself.

It is this error that has led people to preach sermons on spiritual husbands and wives whereas many of them after such "deliverance" sessions find that the sexual dreams stopped but something else began to manifest itself and then they would need the same deliverance session all over for the new manifestation.

Why? Because satan knows the trick. If you tell him to come out as a spiritual husband. He will pretend like he has left and begin to manifest himself as promiscuity or insanity or some infirmity.

That is why people are to preach the word over their experiences.

TolaTosin:
hahhahaja, bros let me lecture you.

When u watch pornoo you open your mind to the devil, u watch horror movies,listen to bad news, read worldly magazine and even watch Big brother Naija you are opening your mind to the devil.

If you live in strive, anger, bitterness, hatred, selfishness , you are opening your heart to the devil

Are you hearing me sir.


If you are truly born again no family demon can posses you, so u are wrong in that too

bro dnt u think I should b d one lecturing on d disadvantages of doing d above mentioned things? Am more experience n mature in control those things