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Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by daveP(m): 11:19pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Maestro21:Phew.... Okay, since you're more receptive than him. Lemme break it down. First lets remove the stereotype definition that has been given this ministry. The Great Commission is hinged on deliverance. Keyword here is Liberation. That's what exactly Christ came to do. From who did he come to deliver? Those under the oppression of the devil and his demons. So what is that called? A ministry. (Not the one we call ministry on the streets these days. Get the definition of ministry and follow me) Back to Mark, He recorded majorly all the miracles of deliverance as done by Christ Jesus. Dakes Bible footnotes and Summary take it as a compilation of the deliverance ministry of Jesus. Next as he ascended, he handed over to every believer the same power to do deliverance as well. Thus those final words while he was up going. Getting me? Calling, or Office is different from Ministry. I can minister in songs, food giving, almgiving. Those are all ministries my bro. The 5fold Offices are callings and they all are equipped with the deliverance ministry cos they are with the power that Jesus used as well to do so. So not only can these 5 perform the act of deliverance, every believer can... and we all know that it takes some level of knowledge of the scriptures and dedication to God that one can operate in such a ministry. It must be a believer. That is the requirement. Simple. It's why the seven sons of Sceva could not cast out that demon. One demon possessed guy beat up seven mature men, and rendered them naked sotey na window last last dem use escape, and someone on here is telling me that demons don't have power? The demoniac of Gardarenes, he was breaking thick chains cos of the demons in him, and someone on here is telling me that's not power. Since that's not the angle I'm taking with you, I'll just pause here. So you see that the ministry exist just like other ministries. The writing on those buildings are not the definition. In fact Ministries are minute parts of the entirety of what the church supposed to be. Nowhere in Mark is the call for dedicating to such ministry. It's a compilation of the deliverance aspect of the Ministry of Christ. The major one. I. e delivering man from bondage of sin and demons. Since that exist in the Bible, then we have proof that deliverance ministry exists. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by donnie(m): 11:22pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: Was that a demon or a spirit wife/ husband? Do you prefer to call it a name that's unscriptural? If he/she is born again, where was the marriage between this new creation and the demon conducted and by who? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Nobody: 11:23pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: These are demonic oppression No male or female in the realms of the spirit bro. The demon is playing tricks. If they had knowledge, they would have rebuked the demon from day 1 But they accepted and lived in fear. Why didn't you deliver your friend? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by donnie(m): 11:28pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
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Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Nobody: 11:31pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
daveP: Another trash The great commission is to preach the good news not deliverance. The knowledge of the truth can make a man free, Dakes bible footnotes, who is Dakes? Should he be the basis to decide that there is deliverance, don't you know that these bible translations itself are not correct, in fact they are causing lots of confusion Who are Sons of sceva?Even the disciples could not heal one possessed kid, till the parents referred him to Jesus and u can even mentioning sceva |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by donnie(m): 11:33pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Sleep dey catch me abeg |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by daveP(m): 11:36pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Stereotyping Issues. Lol. quite interesting. very interesting..... See one asking me about sons of sceva and claims to know the bible well? |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Nobody: 11:38pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
donnie: The knowledge of the word of God will make a man know that if he is oppressed by demon, he has the power to cast it out Not going everywhere asking for deliverance and some people will be making money from it. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Nobody: 11:40pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
daveP: U didn't understand me bro. I said if Jesus disciples had a similar challenge, why is sons of sceva and exceptional cases? Understand that until Jesus ascension the authority was not yet fully given to any man. In fact Jesus had to tell the disciples to wait till the Holy spirit comes. U hear me so!! |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Follygunners: 11:42pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
chukslawrence: Both of 'em are LIARS! |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by shadeyinka(m): 11:43pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
donnie:I think I understand you a little better now. Unfortunately, you seem to lump up everyone who has done deliverance as "one of those extremists" you see on TV. No bro! Demons lie. That's there nature. They speak half truths, that's their nature. Every Christian who God has used to cast out demons must have the spirit of discernment. There arebsome simple rules of the kinds of questions a christian can ask a demon (an never doctrinal) 1. Who are you? 2. What have you done to her 3. How many are you in her Some Christians say it is not necessary! But how come setimes a single session does not cast out all the demons? Interestingly, I have never personally come across demons whobwill say they are second in command to Satan. I have come across one who called himself Satan (of course its a lie), I have even come across a demon who said (I am Jesus, you can't cast me out!) Of course its a lie. Demons are liars. Its always a lie when demons say "I am her mother in-law, grandfather, etc Its only to cause confusion and strife among family members. Demons impersonate. However, (from experence- and its not a rule) once you know their name, it doesn't take time for you to cast them out. Sometimes, you dont even want them to name themselves, you just bind them together and cast them out. Some say as a rule, they don't allow demons to speak! Fine, as long as the demons are evicted, glory be to God. But if following the example of Jesus, SOMETIMES, Jesus says " who are you?". And there I stand. When a demon calls itself a spiritual husband, "I say you spiritual husband, your time is up, Out! In Jesus name". Andbit goes. My problem is that some people who have never ever encountered demons who call themselves spiritual husbands/wife have the audacity to say spiritual spouses do not exist! Over 80% of deliverances do not even go with physical manifestations, yet deliverances have taken place. So, its not everybody who " acts drama" with deliverance. Our level of grace, experience and opportunities differ. The level of understanding of the word also differ. But it is wrong to say some spiritual reality doesn't exist simply becausebyou haven't come across it and it doesn't directly violate the word of God. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by daveP(m): 11:44pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
TolaTosin:youve not even understood a thing of what I said, and it's cos you already have a final idea on how it's supposed to be... especially when it's your mentor saying so. keep up the work... intact with this post I'm quoting, it's vividly clear that you still don't understand all I've been saying. Keep asking me. you'd wake up soon. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by shadeyinka(m): 11:46pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
daveP:Unfortunately, members of Christ embassy have assumed we mean war against their G.O. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Nobody: 11:47pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Finally brethren, knowledge is power, Some years ago, a friend call me that he bleeped a girl and for 3 days he had a lady sleeping with him when he is asleep. I just told him to rebuke that spirit, maybe the girl was possessed, he did and from the forth night, the nightmares stopped. Because of that experience, that guy has not bleeped a girl, from 2015 till date I could have told him spiritual wife, and put fear in him or tell him to see deliverance pastors. He prayed for forgiveness of sins and rebuked the demons and it never happened again. 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by shadeyinka(m): 11:49pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Lomprico2: shadeyinka: |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Nobody: 11:50pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
daveP:hahhahha I don't attend Christ embassy abeg oo I have a mind of my own, am a free thinker but I know the truth, I don't live in fear of any demon or spiritual husband. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by daveP(m): 11:56pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
TolaTosin:keep it up thinker. neither do I live in fear of them. lol |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by daveP(m): 11:58pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
You don't need to see the worse before you can assume the worst can happen. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by GoodBoi1(m): 11:59pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Everyone is just talking. This kind of thread you need to back up whatever you are saying with the relevant scriptures. The truth is in the word of God. Looks like some persons here are even exalting the devil and demons. If only we walk in the reality of the power available to us as Christians. God help us. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by shadeyinka(m): 12:02am On Mar 23, 2018 |
Maestro21:No, that's not my conclusion The most of you I have met (may be limited) show that you have zeal (especially the ladies) but no experience. That's my experience. Even in unexpected places (churches) you see exceptional Christians. Of course I could be biased. The church was filled with Young people (mainly undergraduates). And every Sunday was like a competition of dress rehearsals for a party. One thing I enjoyed then was the worship time. And it looks as if you feel like every body has elevated experience above Gods word. That isn't the truth. If Spirit of Homosexuality exists, why should we say spiritual spouses doesn't exist. By the way: A spiritual spouse is simply a demon who assumes a marriage relationship with the demonized. It doesn't mean that their was an actual consentual marriage rite between them. It just means that the demon is possessive. (In actual sense there may be no marriage) It is not different from when a demon says "he is my servant!". Its a claim by the demon. The demonized doesn't even have to be aware that he has a slavemaster |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by shadeyinka(m): 12:21am On Mar 23, 2018 |
Maestro21:Why do you assume every other person preach their experiences over the word of God. The word of God never said spirits of depression exist, the word of God never said suicidal spirits exists but don't they exist? By the way: A spiritual spouse is simply a demon who assumes a marriage relationship with the demonized. It doesn't mean that their was an actual consentual marriage rite between them. It just means that the demon is possessive. (In actual sense there may be no marriage) No one has said believe every spirit? Even if an angel speaks and it isn't according to Gods words, the words should be rejected. Experience certainly never ever superior to thebword of God impossible. People who cast out demons are not all ignorant of the word as you assume. No! Do all who do deliverance "Preach Spiritual Spouse" as doctrine? No! What is taught is that "if you find yourself always having sex in your dreams, you might have a spiritual spouse" Such a person who finds himself in that category should do Self Deliverance. It is only baby Christians that run after one man of God to the other for deliverance. Only when your effort seem unfruitful can you seek for another Christian (not necessarily a Pastor) for prayer of agreement (if you like , call it deliverance). That is my stand. But don't lump the excesses and drama you see on TV as the lot of every other christian who doesnt attend Christ Embassy. It is wrong! Demons are prolific liars! Only ignorant Christians take them for their words. Bit that is not to say some demons assume a sexual relationship with their captives. Such are the ones we call spiritual spouses. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by oglalasioux(m): 12:22am On Mar 23, 2018 |
TolaTosin: There are no spiritual things. Unless cool fm and channels TV are spiritual. It is the same things that work radios and cameras that we confuse for the so called spiritual things. Same goes for schizophrenia and epilepsy which we hitherto thought were spiritual attacks. Moses built the religion that metamorphosed into the world's major religions from what he learnt from the properties of electromagnetism in Egypt. Read the first five books of Moses. You will understand right from the burning bush. Please Google St. Elmo's fire. You'll understand the burning bush. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by shadeyinka(m): 12:30am On Mar 23, 2018 |
TolaTosin:Must Christians quarrel to make points. Your stance isn't edifying in anyway Do you think I was crucifying Pastor Chris? I said he balanced it God is always Glorified, no one is contesting that: John 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. John 9:2-3 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by donnie(m): 12:34am On Mar 23, 2018 |
shadeyinka: Even the OP didn't quote Pastor Chris correctly. The man of God acknowledged that such experiences exist but does not agree with the husbnd/wife terminology commonly used. It's unscriptural. Satan may lie to the oppressed that there was a marriage contract, but it's unreal. And the devil should be cast out. Meanwhile, in how many occassions did Jesus ask for a name? Demons screemed at the appearance of Jesus and He will command them to shut up and come out. When I watch Pastor Chris at the healing school, many times, even before he approaches, they start screaming and coming out. Well, like you said, there are different graces. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by shadeyinka(m): 12:41am On Mar 23, 2018 |
donnie:Of course when it comes to spiritual works, grace is the most important factor Every Christian is empowered to Evangelize but some have the grace/calling of an Evangelist Every Christian is empowered to heal but some have the gifts/grace of healing Every Christians is commissioned to Teach but some have the calling/grace of a Teacher.
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Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Davidoya: 12:54am On Mar 23, 2018 |
daveP: The bible is very clear in ephesians about the 5 fold ministry (pastoral, teaching, prophetic,apostolic, evangelical )..as these ministries form the basic foundation for equipping and building up the saint's.. however we understand that various other ministries spring up from these basic ministries and can be regarded as subsets or arms e.g faith, deliverance, healing,television,bible ministries etc.. we also understand that before you can operate as a subset you must first be operating from the basic set. moreso, you can operate in more than one set and subset at the same time depending on your calling and gifts.that means I can be a prophet and a teacher or pastor and operate a healing , television and deliverance ministry too.. but having said that, every believer is called to a reconciliation ministry and should heal the sick , cast out demons and evangelize the gospel. I understand the teaching of pastor Chris and every christian must attain the height where he can see things the way God sees them without being apologetic about it or giving consideration to other people's experiences or even theirs too.. for God call things that be not as though they were.Abraham believed God , changed his name from Abram to father of many nations and refused to consider his own experience as a barren for many years after Gods promise of a child.He called himself a father of many nations yet with no child .. that is the high point every christian should attain .. In the book of judges an angel appeared to Gideon and called him a mighty man of valour.. the angel said he will smite the medianites as one man.. but i realized he fought the battle with 300 men eventually because he could not comprehend that truth so he had to be allowed to operate with a much lesser truth.. his experience was different from what God said but yet what God said thru the angel was the ultimate truth . He didn't live up to the ultimate truth just like samson was but nevertheless he still succeeded with a lesser truth.. it therefore means that we all operate on different levels of truth and some are higher than the others yet they are all truths..and in most cases we see them as conflicting whereas it is for us to understand the higher truth and walk with them and that is why revelation is progressive.. to what the pastor said, I believe that there are diverse manifestations of demons and certain demons can be classified to operate in certain ways depending on their assignments.. I also believe that there are no male or female demons neither are there male or female angels and so the issue of wife or husband may be assumed as a result of their operations assignment and manifestations.. i believe what the pastor said is right but the experience or realities of certain people with different classes of demons is what brings about the terminologies.. For me ,it's still about the higher and lesser truths..but we can all agree that demons exist and operate in these different ways.. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Nobody: 1:27am On Mar 23, 2018 |
oglalasioux:hahhaha yea that's how atheism started, trying to explain everything using sense knowledge Hahhahahha |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by judeodion(m): 1:43am On Mar 23, 2018 |
Hostel:Did he say there are not demons o you exorcist? Demon specialist. He said demonic spirit exist to manipulate minds of people abd as believers in Christ we're to cast them out. Did you even click play? There are demons or evil spirits that may manipulate your mind to have sex in dreams but they didn't tell you they're your husbands or wife. That's what a pastor probably told you. 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Chinagurum1995(m): 3:50am On Mar 23, 2018 |
Hmmmm � I see Sometimes spiritual wife and husband in the marriage life like sometimes demonic or Godly stuff but the thing is it good to get married with a spiritual wife who is so strong in their Christian faith yes spiritual wife or husband is nothing like that it good to married and show love to your spouse so love an marriage is a good one as long as you have somebody like husband and wife show to each other. Nothing like that between Spiritual wife or husband. |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Maestro21: 4:41am On Mar 23, 2018 |
shadeyinka: That is the problem. You don’t teach anything based on experience that is why that name is wrong. Jesus spat once and used it to heal a blind man. What he taught was that the Holy Spirit was the one who would guide into all truth. He did not go on to start teaching about “Holy Spit” and then spitting and placing them in bottles to be sold. These are the issues Pastor Chris raises that I endorse. Yes, in the first video that Donnie posted, he called out those cases of women who saw men in their dreams or felt like they ate poison etc. because he is aware that demons can manifest themselves that way. Does not mean that is what they are called. Peter prayed that Jesus will not die on the cross and Jesus knew it was the devil’s voice. Yet someone else would have felt Peter was being caring. You judge spiritual things ONLY by the word. No matter the experience you must maintain that God’s word is the final arbiter. The summary is, because a demon was manifesting in a human like a snake does not mean what the person had was a “snake spirit”. It was a demon yes, you cast it out and declare the person free. That snake-like manifestation physically may just be for something like a cancer but human teaching will make people say “he/she belongs to a cult where they worship snakes” and then new teachings will spur from this making satan’s Head swell about something he probably has no power over. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome On Spiritual Wife Or Husband: There Is Nothing Like That by Maestro21: 4:47am On Mar 23, 2018 |
daveP: So Jesus fed 5000 did he also have a feeding ministry? He washed his disciples feet, did he also have a washing feet ministry? I know the varied meanings of the word ministry. And yes the music ministry, healing ministry all find their place in Gods word. I am yet to see a deliverance ministry in the way you have described it above. The great commission was clear; we were to preach a message to people telling them about how Christ has DELIVERED them. That ministry is not dedicated to casting out devils or interpreting dreams and charging consultation fees. Any ministry that finds its place in God’s word was specific; to bring/win others to God not place in bondage through deliverance sessions and dependency on handkies and oil. 1 Like |
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