shadeyinka:

No, that's not my conclusion
The most of you I have met (may be limited) show that you have zeal (especially the ladies) but no experience.

That's my experience.

Even in unexpected places (churches) you see exceptional Christians.

Of course I could be biased. The church was filled with Young people (mainly undergraduates). And every Sunday was like a competition of dress rehearsals for a party. One thing I enjoyed then was the worship time.

And it looks as if you feel like every body has elevated experience above Gods word. That isn't the truth.

If Spirit of Homosexuality exists, why should we say spiritual spouses doesn't exist.

By the way:
A spiritual spouse is simply a demon who assumes a marriage relationship with the demonized.
It doesn't mean that their was an actual consentual marriage rite between them.

It just means that the demon is possessive. (In actual sense there may be no marriage)

It is not different from when a demon says "he is my servant!". Its a claim by the demon. The demonized doesn't even have to be aware that he has a slavemaster

You are talking about homosexuality as if it is not backed by scripture.

Again I repeat because demons manifested a certain way does not give us leeway to arrogate anything to them.

There is no spiritual marriage as spirit beings are sexless. That demon manifesting sexually to a woman as a man could have as well been showing feminine tendencies. Is it now a spiritual wife to the woman?

There is a lot of sense knowledge teachings. That is why people have made handkies and oil full blown teachings in the church even when there is no place in the word for that.

I am sure you are aware some people still cast lots and argue that they saw the disciples do so in the bible. I am sure you probably don’t agree with it yet they will argue that it is their experience.

You are not extreme, which is fine but a drop of poison in potable water is still poisonous water.

Pussitto:
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: "There Is Nothing Like Spiritual Wife Or Husband" (Video)

One of Nigeria's most respected man of God, Pastor chris oyakhilome has cleared the air that there is nothing like spiritual husband or wife. As this issue of spiritual spouse has been made known by some men of God as spiritual bondage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzLfOLrjLlY

https://chikasom..com/2018/03/pastor-chris-oyakhilome-there-is.html?m=1

Private jet/pentecostal pastors keep confusing their followers since inception.

daveP:
Unfounded question? no Strength to this question.

who sees a spirit before he can conclude that it's a spirit?

Answer me and I'll withdraw.

You have no question Mr man answer the question first.

I could remember A day I was discussing this issue with a friend who happened to be a Muslim. He decided to take me to one Alfa who I actually had known but never interacted with. This Alfa gave us insight into the issue spirit husband and wife. So f**k what anybody as to say about it .....that shit is real

Maestro21:


That is the problem.

You don’t teach anything based on experience that is why that name is wrong.

Jesus spat once and used it to heal a blind man. What he taught was that the Holy Spirit was the one who would guide into all truth. He did not go on to start teaching about “Holy Spit” and then spitting and placing them in bottles to be sold.

These are the issues Pastor Chris raises that I endorse.

Yes, in the first video that Donnie posted, he called out those cases of women who saw men in their dreams or felt like they ate poison etc. because he is aware that demons can manifest themselves that way.

Does not mean that is what they are called. Peter prayed that Jesus will not die on the cross and Jesus knew it was the devil’s voice. Yet someone else would have felt Peter was being caring.

You judge spiritual things ONLY by the word. No matter the experience you must maintain that God’s word is the final arbiter.

The summary is, because a demon was manifesting in a human like a snake does not mean what the person had was a “snake spirit”. It was a demon yes, you cast it out and declare the person free.

That snake-like manifestation physically may just be for something like a cancer but human teaching will make people say “he/she belongs to a cult where they worship snakes” and then new teachings will spur from this making satan’s Head swell about something he probably has no power over.

I think sometimes that the issue has to do with accepting everything a man of God says as gospel truth. Pastor Chris does not condemn Masturbation, I do! Almost all CE member take the position of Pastor Chris simply because he is a man of God. But men of God are not infallible. They are still human despite the anointing.

Looking at the scripture, we have some kind of demons mentioned

1. Spirit of Infirmity: because they are responsible for the infirmity in their victim
2. Deaf and dumb spirit: because that is what they have done
3. Spirit of fear: for that's what they do

From the scripture, we can see a pattern. Demons are described by their function. (Would that be their personal name? I don't think so!)

Now, how unscriptural do you think it would be to name demons as demons of homosexuality, demons of hate, suicidal spirit, etc?

How about Spiritual Husbands/Wife?

If Spiritual Spouses do not exist, then we can categorically say that no demons exist that has not being named in the scriptures.

Do you believe that there exist demons like suicide spirits?

shadeyinka:

What has a posses person got to do with spirit wife or husband?

Pussitto:
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: "There Is Nothing Like Spiritual Wife Or Husband" (Video)

One of Nigeria's most respected man of God, Pastor chris oyakhilome has cleared the air that there is nothing like spiritual husband or wife. As this issue of spiritual spouse has been made known by some men of God as spiritual bondage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzLfOLrjLlY

https://chikasom..com/2018/03/pastor-chris-oyakhilome-there-is.html?m=1

God called him with the spirit of delusion.

shadeyinka:

I think sometimes that the issue has to do with accepting everything a man of God says as gospel truth. Pastor Chris does not condemn Masturbation, I do! Almost all CE member take the position of Pastor Chris simply because he is a man of God. But men of God are not infallible. They are still human despite the anointing.

Looking at the scripture, we have some kind of demons mentioned

1. Spirit of Infirmity: because they are responsible for the infirmity in their victim
2. Deaf and dumb spirit: because that is what they have done
3. Spirit of fear: for that's what they do

From the scripture, we can see a pattern. Demons are described by their function. (Would that be their personal name? I don't think so!)

Now, how unscriptural do you think it would be to name demons as demons of homosexuality, demons of hate, suicidal spirit, etc?

How about Spiritual Husbands/Wife?

If Spiritual Spouses do not exist, then we can categorically say that no demons exist that has not being named in the scriptures.

Do you believe that there exist demons like suicide spirits?

You have a very valid point as mentioned in my earlier post, If you read the last part of it..
. A demon that brings sickness or diseases to their target was called a spirit of infirmity to address it while casting it out..one same demon can make their victim blind and make him poor and cause him to be sick and cause him to fear at the same time.. what will you call that demon? Understand the basic thing here, demons oppress people in different ways..it is the teaching of the doctrine around wife or husband that is not correct, demons are not male or female .

e.g a victim continues to watch pornography he can open a door way for an unclean spirit to come in and this spirit can cause him to be in bondage to the act.. there can be manifestations of sex in dreams or even as close as real life and other related experiences associated to that spirit demon . that is not a wife or husband.. let's understand this and not continue to validate our points as right or wrong.. also dont forget that every demon is unclean..and I think that is what I understand from the pastors view.

Maestro21:


You are talking about homosexuality as if it is not backed by scripture.

Again I repeat because demons manifested a certain way does not give us leeway to arrogate anything to them.

There is no spiritual marriage as spirit beings are sexless. That demon manifesting sexually to a woman as a man could have as well been showing feminine tendencies. Is it now a spiritual wife to the woman?

There is a lot of sense knowledge teachings. That is why people have made handkies and oil full blown teachings in the church even when there is no place in the word for that.

I am sure you are aware some people still cast lots and argue that they saw the disciples do so in the bible. I am sure you probably don’t agree with it yet they will argue that it is their experience.

You are not extreme, which is fine but a drop of poison in potable water is still poisonous water.

You still are adamant in not even trying to understand me.

I said:
By the way:
A spiritual spouse is simply a demon who assumes a marriage relationship with the demonized.
It doesn't mean that their was an actual consentual marriage rite between them.

Demons are supposed to be sexless: but that dosnt say like the fallen angels of old, some claim sexual ownership of some of their prey. Angels are sexless, so how did the fallen angels ("sons of God" have sex with daughters of Men to give birth to "Nephillims?

I am not talking about homosexuality in itself but the demon responsible. The scripture condemn homosexuality in no equivocal manner. BUT the scripture DID NOT mention anything like the spirit of Homosexuality. Does it mean they don't exist?

That's the question I want you to answer!

Of course people will always create doctrine with anything from praying into water, depending on anointing oil, anointing handkerchiefs etc. But NOT every christian is like that. I can never be in support of creating spiritual talisman in the name of Christ. This view is not exclusive to CE membership. But, you seem to make it look like every body agrees with it except CE members. No, this is wrong.

So, since you know my position, don't use extreme examples which does not hold any scriptural validation.

Now, even though I don't agree with making doctrine out of them, it doesn't mean that in themselves they are scripturally wrong. For instance, there was a time I had fever and no immediate access to drugs: I took a glass of water prayed over it ("Let this water become drug in my body in Jesus mighty name". And I was healed! That was how I was led then. Do I make it rule? No! That would be wrong. Just like Jesus once healed a blind man by using clay: Jesus wasn't setting a rule for us. He was acting as Led by the Holy Spirit.

So, it is scripturally wrong to establish doctrine by experiences.

Back to the issue on ground, Do spiritual spouses exist?

According to you and Pastor Chris, No!
Reasons, the bible did not categorically mention it and Pastor Chris says they dont exist! (You may addbother reasons)

Me, I believe they do exist!

Now, my question is, Do you think spirit of insanity exist?

shadeyinka:

I think sometimes that the issue has to do with accepting everything a man of God says as gospel truth. Pastor Chris does not condemn Masturbation, I do! Almost all CE member take the position of Pastor Chris simply because he is a man of God. But men of God are not infallible. They are still human despite the anointing.

@bolded Looking for an easy way out?

He said masturbation IN ITSELF, is not a sin while replying a Christian who said he was addicted to masturbation. That was to let him see how easy it was to break the habit. But Pastor Chris preaches against, pornography and impure thoughts as sin. If the Christian knows that his problem is actually wrong thoughts, then the solution begins.

As for the rest of your essay. All I can say is stick with the bible. Teachings like yours have caused much confusion in the body of Christ. There was a time they even had Attachment demon and Coca-Cola demon.

There are devils which manipulate people to think they're espoused to them. But no one asked you to call them "spirit husband/wife". Many have created doctrines out of it and opened office on the matter for their personal gain.

You prefer to attack the Mog so you can continue to sell lies. But as the LORD tarries, the man of God will continue to uproot all wrong teachings so the church can mature, be sanctified and ready for His return.

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shadeyinka:


You still are adamant in not even trying to understand me.

I said:
By the way:
A spiritual spouse is simply a demon who assumes a marriage relationship with the demonized.
It doesn't mean that their was an actual consentual marriage rite between them.

Demons are supposed to be sexless: but that dosnt say like the fallen angels of old, some claim sexual ownership of some of their prey. Angels are sexless, so how did the fallen angels ("sons of God" have sex with daughters of Men to give birth to "Nephillims?

I am not talking about homosexuality in itself but the demon responsible. The scripture condemn homosexuality in no equivocal manner. BUT the scripture DID NOT mention anything like the spirit of Homosexuality. Does it mean they don't exist?

That's the question I want you to answer!

Of course people will always create doctrine with anything from praying into water, depending on anointing oil, anointing handkerchiefs etc. But NOT every christian is like that. I can never be in support of creating spiritual talisman in the name of Christ. This view is not exclusive to CE membership. But, you seem to make it look like every body agrees with it except CE members. No, this is wrong.

So, since you know my position, don't use extreme examples which does not hold any scriptural validation.

Now, even though I don't agree with making doctrine out of them, it doesn't mean that in themselves they are scripturally wrong. For instance, there was a time I had fever and no immediate access to drugs: I took a glass of water prayed over it ("Let this water become drug in my body in Jesus mighty name". And I was healed! That was how I was led then. Do I make it rule? No! That would be wrong. Just like Jesus once healed a blind man by using clay: Jesus wasn't setting a rule for us. He was acting as Led by the Holy Spirit.

So, it is scripturally wrong to establish doctrine by experiences.

Back to the issue on ground, Do spiritual spouses exist?

According to you and Pastor Chris, No!
Reasons, the bible did not categorically mention it and Pastor Chris says they dont exist! (You may addbother reasons)

Me, I believe they do exist!

Now, my question is, Do you think spirit of insanity exist?

I see your point.. and that is why today people say you have a spiritual husband and wife and some even have spiritual children and the doctrine goes on and on..

But u need to look at it again and that the context mentioned in the bible is quite different from the doctrine believed by christians today.. the case mention in the bible was a physical transformation of angels to humans and the children were described as humans not spirit children.. and there was an account were God ordered that that whole generation be wiped out so as not to pollute the human race..
.
There is no such thing as having intercourse and giving birth to spiritual demons or children as widely believed by some christians.. A christian giving birth to spiritual children from sex with demons or vice versa !!!!!it is a blatant lie hashed out of hell ...these are lies that came out of the mouth of demons and have now been widely held as truth.

shadeyinka:


Of course people will always create doctrine with anything from praying into water, depending on anointing oil, anointing handkerchiefs etc. But NOT every christian is like that. I can never be in support of creating spiritual talisman in the name of Christ. This view is not exclusive to CE membership. But, you seem to make it look like every body agrees with it except CE members. No, this is wrong.

It is not exclusive to Christ Embassy but God has given Christ Embassy the mandate, the grace and authority to bring the church to maturity where believers can fully enjoy their inheritance in Christ; and this will involve removing all such wrong teachings and doctrines from the church. It is an apostolic mandate, it's not about argument.

Churches will continue to metamorphose in terms of ideology n beliefs as d only spirit continue to open their leaders or G.O eyes.10 or 20yrs most G.O beliefs will change again .in d early days of pastor Chris I listen to an audio of his when he said he deos nt believe demons exist n those people who believe demons talk through people r nonsense.over d years he has change his stance.he now believe dey exist .compare oyedepo,kumuyi ,adeboye early teachings n now.dey differ slightly.as Christians u will continue to discover n learn new things about God every day.our best teacher is d only spirit.is d one who can discern d deep n show us understanding .our church leaders r nt God.when dey tell u something go into spirit n seek God face n answer.after all these draw yr conclusion.is when holy spirit tell me something dat i conclude.v left Abuja for Lagos around 12midnite .I was sleeping n he tap me to start going to Lagos .I obeyed without argument.dat is a story for another day.what I am saying in essence is for us to tune in to holy ghost frequency as r we reading Lord words.christainity is practical n nt theoretical.nobody has sole knowledge of God words n d way he deos his things

donnie:


It is not exclusive to Christ Embassy but God has given Christ Embassy the mandate, the grace and authority to bring the church to maturity where believers can fully enjoy their inheritance in Christ; and this will involve removing all such wrong teachings and doctrines from the church. It is an apostolic mandate, it's not about argument.

Are you saying CE is the only true Church of Christ? And other denominations should come and learn from you?

Davidoya:



I see your point.. and that is why today people say you have a spiritual husband and wife and some even have spiritual children and the doctrine goes on and on..

But u need to look at it again and that the context mentioned in the bible is quite different from the doctrine believed by christians today.. the case mention in the bible was a physical transformation of angels to humans and the children were described as humans not spirit children.. and there was an account were God ordered that that whole generation be wiped out so as not to pollute the human race..
.
There is no such thing as having intercourse and giving birth to spiritual demons or children as widely believed by some christians.. A christian giving birth to spiritual children from sex with demons or vice versa !!!!!it is a blatant lie hashed out of hell ...these are lies that came out of the mouth of demons and have now been widely held as truth.

I hear you but you haven't answered my basic question.

I said, BUT the scripture DID NOT mention anything like the spirit of Homosexuality. Does it mean they don't exist?

donnie:


@bolded Looking for an easy way out?

He said masturbation IN ITSELF, is not a sin while replying a Christian who said he was addicted to masturbation. That was to let him see how easy it was to break the habit. But Pastor Chris preaches against, pornography and impure thoughts as sin. If the Christian knows that his problem is actually wrong thoughts, then the solution begins.

As for the rest of your essay. All I can say is stick with the bible. Teachings like yours have caused much confusion in the body of Christ. There was a time they even had Attachment demon and Coca-Cola demon.

There are devils which manipulate people to think they're espoused to them. But no one asked you to call them "spirit husband/wife". Many have created doctrines out of it and opened office on the matter for their personal gain.

You prefer to attack the Mog so you can continue to sell lies. But as the LORD tarries, the man of God will continue to uproot all wrong teachings so the church can mature, be sanctified and ready for His return.

My aim isn't to change the topic. My aim iwas just to illustrate that men of God are not infallible.

The first time I heard of " Monkey Spirit" was from Keneth Haggin. It was amusing for me then. A demon looking like a Monkey and Jesus would not chase of it out because He expected Haggins to do it. Men of God make mistakes.

If many have created doctrines out of it does it mean all Christians apart from CE members have?

Is it scriptural to annoint people with oil in Jesus Name?
Have people made doctrines out of it?
Should we then cancel it because some people have made doctrine out of the use of the annointing oil?

This is like your stance!
If they don't do it your way, then it is wrong!

I will never disrespect Pastor Chris as a Man of God. But he isn't free of errors. He isn't Jesus!

Is there anything called spirit of homosexuality?

Davidoya:



You have a very valid point as mentioned in my earlier post, If you read the last part of it..
. A demon that brings sickness or diseases to their target was called a spirit of infirmity to address it while casting it out..one same demon can make their victim blind and make him poor and cause him to be sick and cause him to fear at the same time.. what will you call that demon? Understand the basic thing here, demons oppress people in different ways..it is the teaching of the doctrine around wife or husband that is not correct, demons are not male or female .

e.g a victim continues to watch pornography he can open a door way for an unclean spirit to come in and this spirit can cause him to be in bondage to the act.. there can be manifestations of sex in dreams or even as close as real life and other related experiences associated to that spirit demon . that is not a wife or husband.. let's understand this and not continue to validate our points as right or wrong.. also dont forget that every demon is unclean..and I think that is what I understand from the pastors view.

I think you are getting to understand me now.
1. Demons are described by what they do.
2. It is wrong to build up doctrines around spiritual wife/husband.

I subscribe to these two above.

But that is not to say some demons assume marriage relationship with their captives. It is wrong to build up spiritual doctrine over this.

Like it is immaturity to build doctrines over spirit of infirmity (even though the example exist in the scriptures)

Lomprico2:


What has a posses person got to do with spirit wife or husband?

Demons manifests in people according to what they do best. We have spirits of infirmity, deaf and dumb spirit etc.

Just a fraction are demons who assume a sexual/marriage relationship with their captives

Maestro21:


So Jesus fed 5000 did he also have a feeding ministry?

He washed his disciples feet, did he also have a washing feet ministry?

I know the varied meanings of the word ministry. And yes the music ministry, healing ministry all find their place in Gods word.

I am yet to see a deliverance ministry in the way you have described it above.

The great commission was clear; we were to preach a message to people telling them about how Christ has DELIVERED them.

That ministry is not dedicated to casting out devils or interpreting dreams and charging consultation fees.

Any ministry that finds its place in God’s word was specific; to bring/win others to God not place in bondage through deliverance sessions and dependency on handkies and oil.

this is the issue here. you presume I support the idea of deliverance that we see today and that's what you're using to reply me. pls redirect your servers.


I am against any one merchandisibg the gift of God for money. such a person is a son ofbthe devil. Similar to Simon the sorcerer.

But conducting deliverance is very much part of the church's duty and anyone among the 5fild is equipped to conduct it. making it a special ministry that only a select few can do is wrong

shadeyinka:

Are you saying CE is the only true Church of Christ? And other denominations should come and learn from you?

Is that what I said? The true church of God is not limited to any denomination. However, our mandate is not an advice, it's a command from God and it's already being fulfilled, whether you like to accept it or not.

We have been given a message that must be heard.

donnie:


Is that what I said? The true church of God is not limited to any denomination. However, our mandate is not an advice, it's a command from God and it's already being fulfilled, whether you like to accept it or not.

We have been given a message that must be heard.

If what you say is correct then stop acting like you are made general overseers over every other church.

No denomination is a custodian of scriptural knowledge and understanding.

shadeyinka:

I think sometimes that the issue has to do with accepting everything a man of God says as gospel truth. Pastor Chris does not condemn Masturbation, I do! Almost all CE member take the position of Pastor Chris simply because he is a man of God. But men of God are not infallible. They are still human despite the anointing.

Looking at the scripture, we have some kind of demons mentioned

1. Spirit of Infirmity: because they are responsible for the infirmity in their victim
2. Deaf and dumb spirit: because that is what they have done
3. Spirit of fear: for that's what they do

From the scripture, we can see a pattern. Demons are described by their function. (Would that be their personal name? I don't think so!)

Now, how unscriptural do you think it would be to name demons as demons of homosexuality, demons of hate, suicidal spirit, etc?

How about Spiritual Husbands/Wife?

If Spiritual Spouses do not exist, then we can categorically say that no demons exist that has not being named in the scriptures.

Do you believe that there exist demons like suicide spirits?

In 2009, I already argued with a friend of mine that smoking like masturbation in themselves were not sins. Pastor Chris question answering session was in 2011. You are essentially doing what you accuse me of which is assuming I don’t study scripture for myself. I am under his tutelage and mentorship because he elevated my own preconceived understandings and he demonstrates the reality of God’s word in a way no other MOG I have come in contact does (and I have listened to many MOGs).

Again, none of those spirits were characterized by what they did but simply by what the author of truth -the Holy Spirit- called them.

That is why I pointed you to the deaf and dumb spirit in a boy yet the manifestations were not related to being deaf and dumb at all.

With my experience with demons, I know that a demon can be in a persons heart yet that person might be having swellings in their belly.

There are 2 funny stories I have experienced with Pastor Chris. Once I heard him say he was told by the Holy Spirit to place his hand on a woman’s head yet on the placard she was holding she had an issue with her stomach. She tried to place his hands on her tummy but he corrected her. I heard later that when she went to her doctor (who confirmed her totally healed BTW) he told her that he did a CAT scan on her previously because they noticed a tumor was building in her head (but he did not tell her because they were not sure it was benign or malignant).

The point is there are certain things that only the Holy Spirit can determine. Trust him and leave sense knowledge teachings. Jesus said the kingdom of God is not determined by careful observation. You don’t look and say because this and this happened, then it is so and so. No it is wrong.

My 2nd story is about Benny Hinn and Pastor Chris. They were ministering together and after Benny prayed for a woman who said she was healed of something else (can’t remember what) as she was going, Pastor Chris called her back and cast out a demon he said he could see hanging to her lungs area.

Guess what? She admitted to him that she was also asthmatic. Yet that is not what she came out to testify she was healed of.

That is why we don’t just call demons by their functions. When you trust God by his word ALONE he will guide you into all truth and show you things experience will never teach you.

shadeyinka:


The first time I heard of " Monkey Spirit" was from Keneth Haggin. It was amusing for me then. A demon looking like a Monkey and Jesus would not chase of it out because He expected Haggins to do it. Men of God make mistakes.

Did he say the demon looked like a monkey or he called it "monkey spirit"? Cos I've read Kenneth Hagin's book: The Triumphant Church.

shadeyinka:

Is it scriptural to annoint people with oil in Jesus Name?
Have people made doctrines out of it?
Should we then cancel it because some people have made doctrine out of the use of the annointing oil?

Cancel what really? And from what, or where?

Maestro21:


Again, none of those spirits were characterized by what they did but simply by what the author of truth -the Holy Spirit- called them.

That is why I pointed you to the deaf and dumb spirit in a boy yet the manifestations were not related to being deaf and dumb at all.

With my experience with demons, I know that a demon can be in a persons heart yet that person might be having swellings in their belly.

There are 2 funny stories I have experienced with Pastor Chris. Once I heard him say he was told by the Holy Spirit to place his hand on a woman’s head yet on the placard she was holding she had an issue with her stomach. She tried to place his hands on her tummy but he corrected her. I heard later that when she went to her doctor (who confirmed her totally healed BTW) he told her that he did a CAT scan on her previously because they noticed a tumor was building in her head (but he did not tell her because they were not sure it was benign or malignant).

The point is there are certain things that only the Holy Spirit can determine. Trust him and leave sense knowledge teachings. Jesus said the kingdom of God is not determined by careful observation. You don’t look and say because this and this happened, then it is so and so. No it is wrong.

My 2nd story is about Benny Hinn and Pastor Chris. They were ministering together and after Benny prayed for a woman who said she was healed of something else (can’t remember what) as she was going, Pastor Chris called her back and cast out a demon he said he could see hanging to her lungs area.

Guess what? She admitted to him that she was also asthmatic. Yet that is not what she came out to testify she was healed of.

That is why we don’t just call demons by their functions. When you trust God by his word ALONE he will guide you into all truth and show you things experience will never teach you.

GBAM! @bolded

shadeyinka:

If what you say is correct then stop acting like you are made general overseers over every other church.

No denomination is a custodian of scriptural knowledge and understanding.

This thread is about my Pastor on Q&A session of the church. You are the one intruding.

Someone else has addressed the nephilims issue so I would not need to rehash it. When you say something is sexless (asexual)it means they can take up any sex as a manifestation.

Whatever a demon assumes does not mean anything. That is why their assumption does not count in spiritual mature discussions.

That a demon is responsible for homosexuality does not mean there is a demon of homosexuality. I pray you get it. You can cast out that demon yet the person in question will go on to become murderous (serial killer) or become promiscuous with people of the opposite sex.

For spiritually mature men, when you hear them say “thou spirit of deafness, come out...in Jesus name” etc they are not just saying it because deaf people are there. They are saying it by the leading of the Holy Spirit.

If you do not make doctrines out of your experiences that is good. And I never said anyone who is not a CEC member is on the opposite end. There are many good churches all over the world many of which I respect and listen to.

Do spiritual spouses exist in the way you are describing? No.

Demons exist who could manifest themselves that way to the unsuspecting to make them feel they are bound to them. Many weak Christians have lost marriages and partners for this same ignorance. That is why I am using my God-given mandate to PREACH their deliverance to them.

shadeyinka:


You still are adamant in not even trying to understand me.

I said:
By the way:
A spiritual spouse is simply a demon who assumes a marriage relationship with the demonized.
It doesn't mean that their was an actual consentual marriage rite between them.

Demons are supposed to be sexless: but that dosnt say like the fallen angels of old, some claim sexual ownership of some of their prey. Angels are sexless, so how did the fallen angels ("sons of God" have sex with daughters of Men to give birth to "Nephillims?

I am not talking about homosexuality in itself but the demon responsible. The scripture condemn homosexuality in no equivocal manner. BUT the scripture DID NOT mention anything like the spirit of Homosexuality. Does it mean they don't exist?

That's the question I want you to answer!

Of course people will always create doctrine with anything from praying into water, depending on anointing oil, anointing handkerchiefs etc. But NOT every christian is like that. I can never be in support of creating spiritual talisman in the name of Christ. This view is not exclusive to CE membership. But, you seem to make it look like every body agrees with it except CE members. No, this is wrong.

So, since you know my position, don't use extreme examples which does not hold any scriptural validation.

Now, even though I don't agree with making doctrine out of them, it doesn't mean that in themselves they are scripturally wrong. For instance, there was a time I had fever and no immediate access to drugs: I took a glass of water prayed over it ("Let this water become drug in my body in Jesus mighty name". And I was healed! That was how I was led then. Do I make it rule? No! That would be wrong. Just like Jesus once healed a blind man by using clay: Jesus wasn't setting a rule for us. He was acting as Led by the Holy Spirit.

So, it is scripturally wrong to establish doctrine by experiences.

Back to the issue on ground, Do spiritual spouses exist?

According to you and Pastor Chris, No!
Reasons, the bible did not categorically mention it and Pastor Chris says they dont exist! (You may addbother reasons)

Me, I believe they do exist!

Now, my question is, Do you think spirit of insanity exist?

daveP:
this is the issue here. you presume I support the idea of deliverance that we see today and that's what you're using to reply me. pls redirect your servers.


I am against any one merchandisibg the gift of God for money. such a person is a son ofbthe devil. Similar to Simon the sorcerer.

But conducting deliverance is very much part of the church's duty and anyone among the 5fild is equipped to conduct it. making it a special ministry that only a select few can do is wrong

I see your point.

Well, we were not told to conduct deliverance sessions. We were told to proclaim; tell people God has delivered them.

No man can deliver another man.

Casting out demons is not delivering people. The ability to cast out demons is because of the deliverance that christ made for us through his death and resurrection.

donnie:



Did he say the demon looked like a monkey or he called it "monkey spirit"? Cos I've read Kenneth Hagin's book: The Triumphant Church.



Cancel what really? And from what, or where?

I was about to type this. Hagin repeated the story so many times. Even in Belivers authority. I have also watched many tapes of him. He said the demon looked like a monkey and not that it was a monkey spirit.

You are just talking rubbish.

Pastor Chris told you he did not believe in demons in his early days?

When were his early days?

Hope you know he was already ministering as a 15 year old?

Hope you know he is from a family of pastors including his great grand father who brought Assemblies of God to Nigeria.

Hope you know as a young Uni student he was going to shrines with his friends and praying to neuter the activities of the native doctors which at some point even chased him and his friends away when they noticed their juju stopped working.

So tell me how he believed praying could remove demonic influence from a shine as a 21 year old yet you say he did not believe in demons in his early days?

You think CE started in 2000?

engrelvis:
Churches will continue to metamorphose in terms of ideology n beliefs as d only spirit continue to open their leaders or G.O eyes.10 or 20yrs most G.O beliefs will change again .in d early days of pastor Chris I listen to an audio of his when he said he deos nt believe demons exist n those people who believe demons talk through people r nonsense.over d years he has change his stance.he now believe dey exist .compare oyedepo,kumuyi ,adeboye early teachings n now.dey differ slightly.as Christians u will continue to discover n learn new things about God every day.our best teacher is d only spirit.is d one who can discern d deep n show us understanding .our church leaders r nt God.when dey tell u something go into spirit n seek God face n answer.after all these draw yr conclusion.is when holy spirit tell me something dat i conclude.v left Abuja for Lagos around 12midnite .I was sleeping n he tap me to start going to Lagos .I obeyed without argument.dat is a story for another day.what I am saying in essence is for us to tune in to holy ghost frequency as r we reading Lord words.christainity is practical n nt theoretical.nobody has sole knowledge of God words n d way he deos his things

Maestro21:

You are just talking rubbish.

Pastor Chris told you he did not believe in demons in his early days?

When were his early days?

Hope you know he was already ministering as a 15 year old?

Hope you know he is from a family of pastors including his great grand father who brought Assemblies of God to Nigeria.

Hope you know as a young Uni student he was going to shrines with his friends and praying to neuter the activities of the native doctors which at some point even chased him and his friends away when they noticed their juju stopped working.

So tell me how he believed praying could remove demonic influence from a shine as a 21 year old yet you say he did not believe in demons in his early days?

You think CE started in 2000?

young man I dnt understand ur aggressiveness.u want to lecture me on history of pastor Chris.for yr information Mr know it all am from Edo state. My friend architect osahon was a classmate of of chris at ekpoma when I was reading civil engineering at Uniben.like I told u yesterday am done with u n yr insultive one sided argument.am nt under obligation to explain anything to u.i said I heard an audio of pastor Chris in d early 2000 .how deos dat translate to Christ embassy starting in early 2000? U v problem

shadeyinka:

Have you truthfully seen up to ten deliverances where the demonized manifested? (Like the demon at Gagarene)

If you have, you wouldn't say this. It is a very common occurrence.

Its like Bukola Sarakis son saying "Poverty doesn't exist in Nigeria". How can he know, has he eaten garri and water before just because nothing else is available?

I agree that demons exist. Like Pastor Chris said, spiritual spouse are demonic manipulations, they don’t exist.