Is the atheists mind free enough to question atheism.

This is a question which I've thought to be valid for a very long time. I decided to create this thread because atheism seem to be partial in its popular slogan "Question everything".

Atheism is usually portrayed as "true freedom" by its adherents. It is ususlly promoted as the most rational worldview, as the default worldview. Some atheists have claimed that "we were all born atheists".
This could be due to the idea that "true freedom as well as progress comes with the rejection of dogma, questioning long-held beliefs and the benefits of criticism".

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Atheists usually claim that their conversion or worldview is solely based fields such as: reason, logic, scientific findings, rationality e.t.c (never emotions), because they know these fields are usually validated by almost every human and are the baselines for development.
These fields thrive best when "nothing is protected from criticism", in other words, when " EVERYTHING IS QUESTIONED".


Except the meaning of EVERYTHING has changed, everything could imply ALL things, all beliefs.
There are several beliefs a lot of humans have held from birth. Many of these beliefs have shaped the way we live as humans. As the popular saying goes "You are what you believe", many humans have acted out both good and evil based on what they believe. Casualties, slavery, racism e.t.c have been blamed on certain specific beliefs.


As a matter of fact, majority of the casualties in history history have been due to what certain people believe and hold to be true. Many atheists claim that religious beliefs held by certain religious people have been the cause of several deaths in history. Religious people also argue that atheistic beliefs have caused much more deaths than all religion put together and fortunately, historical evidence seems to be on the side of the religious.


Atheism and religion however are not alone in the accusation of beliefs that have caused problems throughout the course of humanity, there have been other spheres of life that have been used to justify evil. To make my post shorter, I'll mention a few:



1. Politics: Perhaps politics and the struggle for power has been the biggest cause of evil throughout the history of humanity. Several lives have been lost and is still being lost in the name of politics. In Nigeria for instance, peoples lives are toyed with in the name of politics. A lot of Great people who naturally are interested in governance have dissociated themselves from the dirty game of politics.
When theists put it to atheists that atheism has been the cause of the biggest atrocities in human history, atheists cast the blame on politics. They claim political ideologies such as "communism" was responsible for those atrocities. However, I proved here that atheism under the guise of communism was responsible for the worst atrocities in human history.


2. Marriage: A lot of people have been killed in the name of marriage. Domestic violence has taken the lives of several humans. Many people who claim to love themselves forever have turned on themselves to inflict pain and suffering, distressing legal cases and ultimately death.

Although our generation seems to be watering down the sanctity of marriage, marriage is still very much popular among almost all cultures of humanity.


3. Science: Science has a lot of credit to take for almost all the technological advancement of our world. Theists majorly and a handful of non-theists have been instrumental to the rapid growth of science. However, there has been evils such as racism which was carried out in the name of science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
In the late 1800s, until the 1980s, no that is not a typo, the 1980s, science was used to justify and support racism and other things. The United States sterilized women up until the 1980s for displaying “bad genes.” An example of “bad genes” would be something such as having a child out of wedlock.

There is another interesting term in scientific racism…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism#Eugenics
It is called Eugenics. Eugenics was the science of the day. It was the future of humanity. In eugenics, we could perfect the human race by eliminating “negative traits,” or “bad genes.” Does this sound familiar? There is a slightly famous event based on this science. It is called the Holocaust. Atheists claim that Hitler was using religion. No, Hitler was using science. He was perfecting the human race by eliminating the bad genes…by killing anyone that had them. The Nazis also preformed scientific experiments on people to “advance science.”

Atheists will probably argue that we NOW know this is bad science and that science has come a long way. That is true, but there is still bad science and a way of presenting facts to make a specific argument. In addition to that, scientists say unscientific things, which are construed as science by people that are not smart enough to actually look it up .

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4. Sports: As lovely and binding as sports is to humanity, lives have been lost in the name of sports. Apart from fan riots and clashes, racism and discrimination, many have paid the ultimate price in the name of sports. Some examples are shown below:

Few weeks ago, a Chelsea fan kills himself after defeat to Barcelona.

Fan commits suicide over Arsenal FC

Manchester united fan commits suicide

Liverpool fan kills himself

Brazilian fan, others die from heart attacks in football game

And other stories of depression and suicide in sports


5. Culture and tradition: Several cultures and tradition have claimed several lives, especially in Africa. When I was younger, I was taught of how Mary Slessor, a christian missionary, stopped the killing of twins somewhere in Nigeria.
Till date, their are still some horrifying practices all over Africa, Some religious groups kicking against bad culture, Some cultures which can be argued to be misogynistic.

Many people have been stoned to death, body parts mutilated, tribal clashes e.t.c all in the name of culture and tradition.

A lot of people blame religion for altering African culture, but fail to realize that some of these cultures were bad and harmful to us. While religions such as Christianity have been blamed for Africas terrible cultures, several positive marks of Christianity to sub-saharan Africa have been documented.




Interestingy, all the above mentioned areas of life are still being blamed for evils committed by humanity.. And this brings me to the main point of this thread. Do atheists really question everything? Do they question these areas of life like they do to religion?

Do they question marriage for instance? A practice which they were brought up to believe or do they just play their part without questioning the things they don't want to question. Below is a rare example of an atheist on nairaland attempting to question marriage.


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I agree that marriage did not begin with Christianity, but why do atheists fail to question the very essence of marriage .
Why not have kids with every beautiful woman willing to have sex with one. Why do female atheists care about body count Are we no longer upgraded version of animals?
Why don't atheists question all these social perception of morality? Do atheists really have a yardstick for being moral, if so who determines what morality should be served if their morality is subjective, what grounds do they have to blame another human for murder


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Do atheists bother to question morality or do they just go with the flow


Its clear that the only thing atheists seem to question is religion, other areas of life get a free pass. I don't think any atheist has been observed to question anything else other than religion, at least not on this forum.
This is worse than being selective in questioning since the only thing questioned is religion.
This makes atheism seem like the smug sense of worship of ones own superiority over religious people. To the atheist, religion is the greatest singular cause of humanity's problems. Eradicate religion, and we will have a perfect or near-perfect society.
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In reality, the ones who question reality and others areas of reality are theists. This is why religious people have always majorly been the forerunners of development.

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Atheism seems to be fixated on religion alone. They probably see religion as the greatest evil of society. And this explains why large portions of atheists focus on ridiculing religious people and their beliefs.
We can deduce that they are being dishonest because they claim everything must be questioned and then go ahead to question only religion while ascribing immunity to other areas of life, making them free from the questioning process. They also make the "atheistic worldview" itself free from the questioning process. Atheists never question atheism, except a few honest ones whose words are quoted in one of my threads.


I want to urge atheists, in their quest for truth, to try to question atheism and all other ways of life they were "indoctrinated" with, as well as those areas of life that has been and continue to be hijacked for the sake of evils. In my opinion, this will balance the wheels of their cart on their journey to truth. I also hope they don't turn this to one of those cases where they bash me and my religion.


Bless you...


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winner01:
Is the atheists mind free enough to question atheism.

This is a question which I've thought to be valid for a very long time. I decided to create this thread because atheism seem to be partial in its popular slogan "Question everything"

Ogbeni your mind is sparking fire. How did you charge it to that point?

Everything you wrote here is very true.

TL;DR....

Lemme bookmark this post, will read it later this evening.

winner01, you should call the popular atheist experience show of Austin to present your winning arguments and win converts globally. The next live show takes place this weekend.

Seun:
winner01, you should call the popular atheist experience show of Austin to present your winning arguments and win converts globally. The next live show takes place this weekend.

Naah, I don't think that will be necessary Seun. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not here to win arguments. I'm not here to win converts either. Now or in a 100 years, with or without me, atheism will continue to be a minority worldview. It's self-defeating. I'm here to make certain points, concerning atheism especially. I'm almost certain about its effectivity too.

Hehe. Nice post Winner01
Let's see if they will come here with their ambulance

Butterflyleo:


Ogbeni your mind is sparking fire. How did you charge it to that point?

Everything you wrote here is very true.

Good day sir.Please i mentioned you in my thread,could you please respond to it.

Butterflyleo:


Ogbeni your mind is sparking fire. How did you charge it to that point?

Everything you wrote here is very true.

I'm loyal my Boss

Seunosewapenis:
Good day sir.Please i mentioned you in my thread,could you please respond to it.

Na by force?

Butterflyleo:


Na by force?

So u dont want to take the challenge abi cos you are scared.I knew it you Christians are so scared of the truth.You knew i was going to ask some deep but simple questions that's why you avoided my thread.
Jackbizzle
Hopefullandlord
otematum
seun
Please take note.
felixomor would you rather accept,what of sir olaadegbu
Winner01 what of you,are you willing to defend your beliefs?

That's what agnostic atheism is.

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Lmao we make choices daily and I am free to choose the threads I grace and those I don't. If you don't like it, go and kick a rock.

I never knew you value threads this much and wish to force me on it against my will. Last time I checked, it is called MY WILL and not your will.

Go and play in your sandbox or something. Only kids demand attention, adults politely ask.

Butterflyleo:


Lmao we make choices daily and I am free to choose the threads I grace and those I don't. If you don't like it, go and kick a rock.

I never knew you value threads this much and wish to force me on it against my will. Last time I checked, it is called MY WILL and not your will.

Go and play in your sandbox or something. Only kids demand attention, adults politely ask.

Lol seun jackbizzle otematum hopefullandlord
you are all here to witness this.How christrians run away from the truth.Winner01 sciencewatch felixomor what of you wise men,would you take my challenge and answer some questions

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Truth you say? By whose standards? Yours?

Oh! Please! Save yourself the reflective gloating.

People with your kind of moniker are often never smart enough to be taken seriously. My time, my choices.

Stop derailing this thread

Butterflyleo:


Truth you say? By whose standards? Yours?

Oh! Please! Save yourself the reflective gloating.

People with your kind of moniker are often never smart enough to be taken seriously. My time, my choices.

Stop derailing this thread

I knew it.Maybe i should create another moniker so you can take me serious.Then again if i shouldn't be taken seriously why are you so scared?

Butterflyleo:


Truth you say? By whose standards? Yours?

Oh! Please! Save yourself the reflective gloating.

People with your kind of moniker are often never smart enough to be taken seriously. My time, my choices.

Stop derailing this thread

I knew it.Maybe i should create another moniker so you can take me serious.Then again if i shouldn't be taken seriously why are you so scared?
Hahn please take note.
Kingebukasblog can you accept my challenge or ignore me because of my moniker?
Remember don't judge a book by it's cover.butterflyleo i can't believe you are openly showing how scared you are to defend your religion

CoolUsername:
That's what agnostic atheism is.

What are you talking about?

Winner01 and butterflyleo are experts in the kitchen sink or gish-gallop method of arguing.

You post a verbose wall of nonsense for the opponent to unravel.


The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Just look at the number of falsehoods in the op

1. Atheists define atheism as "science"

2. Atheists only blame religion for the evils of society. (REALLY? So atheist nigerians dont blame corrupt govt?)

3. Atheists only question religion and don't question other areas of life. (Note that there are religious atheists)

4. Atheism is a belief

5. Atheism has caused more casualties than religion


What nonsense

winner01:

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In reality, the ones who question reality and others areas of reality are theists. This is why religious people have always majorly been the

So Nigerian atheists don't blame bad politicians, greed and bad policies for evils within the society eh? We only blame religion?


You sir can keep posting your false memes/pics up and down- they will be exposed as lies

superhumanist:
Winner01 and butterflyleo are experts in the kitchen sink or gish-gallop method of arguing.

You post a verbose wall of nonsense for the opponent to unravel.


The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop


Just look at the number of falsehoods in the op

1. Atheists define atheism as "science"

2. Atheists only blame religion for the evils of society. (REALLY? So atheist nigerians dont blame corrupt govt?)

3. Atheists only question religion and don't question other areas of life. (Note that there are religious atheists)

4. Atheism is a belief

5. Atheism has caused more casualties than religion


What nonsense

This dummy never reads anything in order to understand it.

Can you show me one place here on nairaland when an atheist has ever blamed the Nigerian government for anything. Do they not always blame religion?

Even Seun knew he was stuck so took the easy way out but not you.

I really do not know where to even begin with you. Ahhhh!

superhumanist:
Winner01 and butterflyleo are experts in the kitchen sink or gish-gallop method of arguing.

Ad hominem

superhumanist:


You post a verbose wall of nonsense for the opponent to unravel.


The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

I have no opponents, I believe we all care about truth even though we might not be all on the side of truth.

superhumanist:


Just look at the number of falsehoods in the op

1. Atheists define atheism as "science"

2. Atheists only blame religion for the evils of society. (REALLY? So atheist nigerians dont blame corrupt govt?)

3. Atheists only question religion and don't question other areas of life. (Note that there are religious atheists)

4. Atheism is a belief

5. Atheism has caused more casualties than religion


What nonsense

1. Nowhere in the op did I opine that atheists define atheism as science. Many atheists bring up science during arguments and this has been clearly observed by several people active on this forum.

2. I'll like you to point me a thread where atheists blame anything else except religion for all those evils. I can give you proof of several atheists blaming religion for evils. Can you give proof?

3. From what goes on in this section, does it seem like atheists question any other thing apart from religion. The points I gave are what everyone observe here.

4. No where in the op did I opine this but this is clearly argueable considering the levels of emotions atheists put into their arguments. I also opened a thread on this sometime ago, you can submit your arguments there:
https://www.nairaland.com/3292871/atheism-belief

5. Atheism has caused more casualties than religion and historical evidence backs this up.
Here are some threads and evidence: https://www.nairaland.com/3232176/atheist-presidents-heads-state-quick

https://www.nairaland.com/3176513/atheist-murderers-past-present-murderous

https://www.nairaland.com/2988881/atheism-terrorism-annihilation-quest-atheistic

https://www.nairaland.com/3283286/communist-leaders-atheists-there-difference


This is not nonsense, these are solid points. Think freely.

winner01:
What are you talking about?

Atheists who question atheism are agnostic atheists. Most atheists identify as that.

CoolUsername:


Atheists who question atheism are agnostic atheists. Most atheists identify as that.

That's the point I was trying to make in the Op. No atheist questions atheism.

winner01:
That's the point I was trying to make in the Op. No atheist questions atheism.

Which summarizes the nonsense written in the op.

Even atheists question atheism. Using the Dawkins scale, many atheists slide between hard atheism and agnosticism because one must always leave room for a possibility that something could exist and we may not know about it.

winner01:
Ad hominem



1. Nowhere in the op did I opine that atheists define atheism as science. Many atheists bring up science during arguments and this has been clearly observed by several people active on this forum.

See lies! What is the sixth defintion of atheism in your nonsense meme pic? Is it not claiming that atheists define atheism as "science"?

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winner01:
Ad hominem


2. I'll like you to point me a thread where atheists blame anything else except religion for all those evils. I can give you proof of several atheists blaming religion for evils. Can you give proof?

Please stop posting nonsense meme pics then. Your pic clearly stated that atheists blame only religion for evils in this world


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Butterflyleo:


This dummy never reads anything in order to understand it.

Can you show me one place here on nairaland when an atheist has ever blamed the Nigerian government for anything. Do they not always blame religion?

Even Seun knew he was stuck so took the easy way out but not you.

I really do not know where to even begin with you. Ahhhh!

First, I addressed different points the op made and he has replied defending some of them. So, it is you who does not understand.



To show how dense you are, let me show you where atheists have criticized the Nigerian government.



First, here is an atheist blaming not only religion but politics and greed also for Nigeria's problems-

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PROSCRIBING THEM AS TERRORISTS IS NOT ENOUGH TO DENT THEIR INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION.

THEY'RE MINDFUL, PROUD PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER, AND ARE NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT KOBOS FROM SPONSORS TO THROW BOMBS AT EACH OTHERS, LIKE THE NORTHERNERS.


IT'S JUST A SHAME THAT OUR ONCE MIGHTY RICH, PEACEFUL, AND POWERFUL NATION HAS BEEN TORN APART BY GREED, HATRED, TRIBALISM, RELIGION, AND POLITICS. [/quote]


When I have time, I will search and post more


cc Winner01

superhumanist:



Which summarizes the nonsense written in the op.

Even atheists question atheism. Using the Dawkins scale, many atheists slide between hard atheism and agnosticism because one must always leave room for a possibility that something could exist and we may not know about it.

Bullshit!!!

Question atheism and let people see that you really question atheism. Don't just say you question atheism using an atheist's scale.

superhumanist:




See lies! What is the sixth defintion of atheism in your nonsense meme pic? Is it not claiming that atheists define atheism as "science"?

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Every well meaning and reasonable person on this section must have observed that when atheists push their arguments, they coat it with all sorts of sugary names, pro-science, rational etc. However when they are being defensive, they retreat and tell you atheism is just a rejection of beliefs. Deny it all you want, I can give you proof, just ask politely.

superhumanist:



Please stop posting nonsense meme pics then. Your pic clearly stated that atheists blame only religion for evils in this world


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Cut the crap and give me examples/proof of threads where nairaland atheists blame anything else other than religion.

Don't cry foul when I point out your bigotry, prove me wrong.
Proof!!!!!!

winner01:
Bullshit!!!

Question atheism and let people see that you really question atheism. Don't just say you question atheism using an atheist's scale.

Is it not still questioning atheism? Please, stop saying things that do not make sense. The Dawkins scale works for everyone. Even christians use it. I remember having a debate with a christian who said that he is a "1" on the scale- meaning that he 100% believes in God.


I have been a christian, deist, agnostic, atheist etc......I have been through the rabbit hole and back.

You have always been a christian. Sincerely you are an unqualified novice when it comes to questioning beliefs or disbelief.