Ranchhoddas:
That's because it's easy to declare victory when you are fighting an enemy that is visible only to you.


I must state that I think that there are some extraordinary cases though where things have gone beyond the ordinary.

Tozara:
The most extraordinary thing about Abrahamism thus far is the fact that a morön heard a voice in his head telling him to slaughter his kid and delightfully tagged it God.

Or that Jesus Christ rose from the dead but decided to show himself only to his followers who were already fanatical believers in him, while refraining from showing similar "proof" to any single disbeliever. It's always a clever tactic to ensure there were no witnesses when making up bullshit. But it's pretty easy for the more clever to see through the fog and deceit.

Or the fact that an illiterate desert-dweller suffering from bipolar and acromegaly had hallucinations in a cave and has managed to hoodwink 1.6 billion people in the modern world.

Which of these isn't astounding?

CuteMadridista:
They do "Indirectly" tackle those problems but try hard to make it as indirect as possible so they have a soft landing

There's a joke I heard about dermatology that "dermatology is the perfect specialty, since 'patients never get well, never die, and never call at night.' " and that saying also applies to MFM

I watched a couple of DK Olukoya preachings and I read "Fire in the word" a couple of times when I had a MFM friend. I noticed rather than pray against real life problems, Olukoya would preach that those problems are caused by spirit of ancestors and father's house or some village enemies or some spirit boss or some demon somewhere, Olukoya is a very intelligent orator when he's through preaching and he's succeeded in convincing his congregation that spiritual entities are responsible for the problem, they'll spend a chunk of the next hour praying for those entities to die. "You evil spirit of my Father's house that is preventing me from getting my blessings. what are you waiting for? Die! Die!! Die!!!" and similar prayer points

Now back to the dermatology joke. since these enemies MFM members are praying against are invisible, intangible and undetectable by all physical senses they can never know if those enemies really died so they need to keep praying and this statistically favours Olukoya as common sense would show that if 3Million MFM members are suffering from poverty, a few hundreds would get out of the poverty whether they prayed or not. Now those hundreds would then give testimonies and garnish it with lies, half truths and post hoc to claim a particular prayer point was responsible for their breakthrough. this encourages the over 2Million members who the prayer didn't work for to keep praying as they assume their enemy might be stronger than those giving testimonies there's really no end in sight so they keep praying and hoping someday their enemy dies due to the incessant prayers. How would they know when this enemy is dead? When they're out of poverty or whenever they find the solution to the problem they're going through

Martinez19:
Religion wasn't supposed to fool humanity............ but it did and it did very well.

CuteMadridista:


really? it wasn't supposed to fool humanity? can you elucidate?

Martinez19:
I know that religion was cleverly crafted to deceive us. What I meant was that we humans shouldn't have been deceived by religion given our higher brain and it's capacity.

Tozara:
Extraordinary things do happen. But they has more to do with our inadequate knowledge and understanding of reality than magic or "the supernatural."

Everything has a mechanism which is amenable to logic for a species intelligent enough to comprehend it.

Ranchhoddas:
This is simply not true.

How do you explain a crippled man getting up at a Reinhard Bonke crusade without simply denying that it happened?

Martinez19:
You are trolling, right?

Ranchhoddas:
This is simply not true.

How do you explain a crippled man getting up at a Reinhard Bonke crusade without simply denying that it happened?

Martinez19:
Religion wasn't supposed to fool humanity............ but it did and it did very well.

Tozara:
Lol! You give humans too much credit.

I think you should bring down your expectations. Humans are not as intelligent as you assert. We are a species of very intelligent fools.

Tozara:
Lol! You give humans too much credit.

I think you should bring down your expectations. Humans are not as intelligent as you assert. We are a species of very intelligent fools.

Martinez19:
Religion wasn't supposed to fool humanity............ but it did and it did very well.

Ranchhoddas:
This is simply not true.

How do you explain a crippled man getting up at a Reinhard Bonke crusade without simply denying that it happened?

Martinez19:
Though this tactics isn't only employed by MFM but MFM is a classic example of this tactics.

You never see MFM pastors or Dr. Olukoya tackling real life situation like cancer, amputees, telling exactly where chibok girls are or hiv instead they go for more abstract and psychological issues ( issues that only exists in the mind of the members). You see them dwelling on issues like spirit spouse, spirit of delay in this or that, spirit of this or that. This is more effective than tackling real physical problems because imaginary gods can only tackle imaginary and abstract enemies.

hahn:
Religion is simply a waste of time

Martinez19:
Religion wasn't supposed to fool humanity............ but it did and it did very well.

enilove:
It is an agent of darkness that derives joy in pulling down the church of God.

If you are a better christian , go out there and help the lost souls and not post things that would discredit the churches and increase souls going to hell.

Don't forget :

Matthew 12:35-36 KJV
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
[36] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Stop doing the work of the devil for the devil.

enilove:
It is an agent of darkness that derives joy in pulling down the church of God.

If you are a better christian , go out there and help the lost souls and not post things that would discredit the churches and increase souls going to hell.

Don't forget :

Matthew 12:35-36 KJV
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
[36] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Stop doing the work of the devil for the devil.

CuteMadridista:


Is OP wrong about MFM's tactics? if you answer yes to that then set OP aright rather than quoting irrelevant verses

CuteMadridista:


Is OP wrong about MFM's tactics? if you answer yes to that then set OP aright rather than quoting irrelevant verses

enilove:



I don't need to correct him.

You should ask yourself what the Op intent was for opening the thread.

HardMirror:
hey bro. Long time. Been working on a major project why I no get time for nairaland. We may need to talk sef.