Martz101:


Just like ronaldo will not score 40 goals a season under Ferguson, so morinho had a clear idea on how to use him better

Bros Suarez peaking in Liverpool little to do with Rodgers, just like ronaldo peak in Madrid

Ronaldo scored 42 at man united and the next season didn't replicate it because of injury. And Mourinho and Fergie used him the same way as a false winger. Daglish and Rodgers did not in regards to Suarez.
Again - Suarez wasn't rated as highly as Ibra or Hunterlaar when he left Eredivise. To say he was the best striker in the world is ridiculous.

goldfish80:


This argument is still on? Suarez was nothing more than a a local champion at Ajax. Same can be said of Hassan Mido, Dirk Kuyt, Salomon Kalou, Emmanuelson, Royston Drente, Skeltenberg, Jefferson Farfan, DUSZAK (the Hungarian guy), Babel etc.
Suarez would have been inconsequential like Kalou/Kuyt in the grand scheme of things if Liverpool didn't take him to another level.

Facts!!

kennysville:
I wonder how we left discussing Super Eagles players to debating Suarez, Ronaldo and other players who are practically inconsequential to our thread or our cause. Enough already! Have we sorted out our playmaker for the world cup? Instead of us to be busy praying every morning for our players not to get injured, the ones injured to have wuick recovery, we busy debating.... in case you arent paying attention, no dey count april as month O? The world cup is 1 month away. Na when we play our first match una eye go clear.

Sorry sir. We will stop

goldfish80:


This argument is still on? Suarez was nothing more than a a local champion at Ajax. Same can be said of Hassan Mido, Dirk Kuyt, Salomon Kalou, Emmanuelson, Royston Drente, Skeltenberg, Jefferson Farfan, DUSZAK (the Hungarian guy), Babel etc.
Suarez would have been inconsequential like Kalou/Kuyt in the grand scheme of things if Liverpool didn't take him to another level.

Was it about Liverpool or Brender Rodgers?

Oga, you don't have a case. Admit you are wrong. Kpom

goldfish80:


The question was "which club has the best scouting network". When it comes to that, nobody can take it away from Dortmund. They scout players all over Europe, South America, Africa, Us of A and even Asia. Check the demographic of their players down the years.
I strongly believe they are the best.

same goes to monaco, there network is all over the globe, buying players cheap and sometimes selling them the next year thrice there transfer fee.when was the last time Dortmund bought a player directly from africa

edi287:

Ronaldo scored 42 at man united and the next season didn't replicate it because of injury. And Mourinho and Fergie used him the same way as a false winger. Daglish and Rodgers did not in regards to Suarez.
Again - Suarez wasn't rated as highly as Ibra or Hunterlaar when he left Eredivise. To say he was the best striker in the world is ridiculous.

Bros ronaldo never scored 42 league goals in Man U, if you put everything total then his goals in Madrid will go up too, we are talking about league goals here. the point is he goal scoring prowess increase while at Madrid tremediously but that won't take the glory from Fergusen whon natured him.

You mean we have world class players like Suarez and CR7 in the Super Eagles, and we are desperately looking for a forward like this?

Martz101:



same goes to monaco, there network is all over the globe, buying players cheap and sometimes selling them the next year thrice there transfer fee.when was the last time Dortmund bought a player directly from africa

How many big European clubs buy players straight from Zezco, Enyimba or Ashanti Kotoko?
Guys like Mohammed Zidane and Aubameyang came into their own at Dortmund
The point is that Dortmund have ran a successful and sustainable business model centered on smart scouting and proper development.
The results are there for all to see with trophies and rich alumni of players.

Ranieri brought Monaco back to league une after spending time in the lower division. If not for the Arabs who bought the club few years back, we won't even be having this discussion.

forgiveness:


Was it about Liverpool or Brender Rodgers?

Oga, you don't have a case. Admit you are wrong. Kpom

Liverpool under Brenda Rogers of course.
Recall, this debate started when you claimed Rogers was not a good coach. When you tried but couldn't disprove the impact he had on Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho you stuck to your narrative that Suarez was the best striker in the world at the time at Ajax before coming to Liverpool. All these just because you think only 3 coaches can get Moses to play better than Salah.

Interestingly, you haven't told us why Moses haven't scored up to the number Salah got at As Roma, where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione.
You just dont know when to quit.

edi287:

Ronaldo scored 42 at man united and the next season didn't replicate it because of injury. And Mourinho and Fergie used him the same way as a false winger. Daglish and Rodgers did not in regards to Suarez.
Again - Suarez wasn't rated as highly as Ibra or Hunterlaar when he left Eredivise. To say he was the best striker in the world is ridiculous.

IbrahimovIc had a total of 35 goals in Ere divisie, while Suarez scored 49 goals in 48 matches in a single season. when last did a player score such amount in Holland football

Why is everything in Nigeria left to decay?

Look at the state of our athletics, we can not even boast of one single world class male sprinter.

At one point, we had several world class sprinters.

Since Mobil pulled out, Athletics has not been the same.

Unfortunately, it is the same in almost all spheres of life.. Decay and negligience...

Yet we have a house of assembly where each Senator/rep earns more than the US president.. How is that even allowed to stand??

Look at the way, our league clubs are run.. Do the club administrators not realise the money spinning potential of football? Imagine the kind of talent we will produce with proper academies..

So many things to rant about, so little time..

goldfish80:

Liverpool under Brenda Rogers of course.
Recall, this debate started when you claimed Rogers was not a good coach. When you tried but couldn't disprove the impact he had on Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho you stuck to your narrative that Suarez was the best striker in the world at the time at Ajax before coming to Liverpool. All these just because you think only 3 coaches can get Moses to play better than Salah.

Interestingly, you haven't told us why Moses haven't scored up to the number Salah got at As Roma, where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione.
You just dont know when to quit.

Where did I claim Brender Rodgers is not a good coach? Show me now now. Abeg.

Sturridge blossomed before he went to Liverpool. Fact

He already won UEFA Champions League with Chelsea and he

Sterling came out under Brender Rodgers, that's true but under Guardiola he is better. Fact.

Which club was Suarez when he helped Uruguay to the fourth position in the 2010 world cup?

Point is Suarez made name for himself before he met Brender Rodgers. Fact

All you are saying doesn't change anything.

forgiveness:


Where did I claim Brender Rodgers is not a good coach? Show me now now. Abeg.

Sturridge blossomed before he went to Liverpool. Fact

He already won UEFA Champions League with Chelsea and he

Sterling came out under Brender Rodgers, that's true but under Guardiola he is better. Fact.

Which club was Suarez when he helped Uruguay to the fourth position in the 2010 world cup?

Point is Suarez made name for himself before he met Brender Rodgers. Fact

All you are saying doesn't change anything.

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I mean they were no World class players and were not in the top 20 best players in the world as at the time they came to Chelsea. That is my point.

Is it not the same Mourinho that sent Salah, Kevin Bruyne, Lukaku and other talents packing from Chelsea after they flopped under him?

Victor Moses was injured under Rodgers but seriously, is Rodgers a top class coach? I am just asking.

Do you know it was under Martinez, Victor Moses was rated the best dribbler in Europe and it was under him he was bought by Chelsea? Even Martinez told the world Victor Moses was very good and needed to develop before he moved to Chelsea.

Is it not under Conte Victor Moses was nominated for Apoty and BBC player of the year?


Simione, Guardiola and Klopp will improve Victor Moses and could make him more better than Salah.

In my own personal opinion Victor Moses is more talented than Salah but Salah is more refined and matured. That's all.

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You want to do an about turn on what you said not more than 24hrs ago. Anyway, there you have it.

DId you say Sturridge was a champions league winner with Chelsea?
Please, how many minutes did he play for for Chelsea in the Champions League?
Are you sure you know what it means for a player to peak?

Lastly, why haven't Victor Moses averaged the numbers Salah got at As Roma where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione?

Martz101:


IbrahimovIc had a total of 35 goals in Ere divisie, while Suarez scored 49 goals in 48 matches in a single season. when last did a player score such amount in Holland football

Why didn't any big club pick Suarez up then? Ibra moved directly to Juve from Ajax. Hunterlaar moved to Madrid. Kezman who scored 35 in 33 games and 31 in 29 moved to Chelsea directly afterwards. How come Suarez moved to Liverpool if he was the best striker in the world?? I repeat Suarez wasn't as highly rated as Hunterlaar, Ibra, Kezman when he moved to Liverpool. This is a fact.

goldfish80:

Liverpool under Brenda Rogers of course.
Recall, this debate started when you claimed Rogers was not a good coach. When you tried but couldn't disprove the impact he had on Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho you stuck to your narrative that Suarez was the best striker in the world at the time at Ajax before coming to Liverpool. All these just because you think only 3 coaches can get Moses to play better than Salah.

Interestingly, you haven't told us why Moses haven't scored up to the number Salah got at As Roma, where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione.
You just dont know when to quit.

If you claim Suarez became a world class player under Brender Rodgers, sorry I can't help you.

There are many factors that makes a player better than another and scoring goals is just one of the factor.

What Salah was for Roma was what Moses was for Wigan.

The point is Moses was influencial to Wigan and even Chelsea in his role.

Moses influence in the National team and Chelsea won them laurels.. Facts





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goldfish80:


How many big European clubs buy players straight from Zezco, Enyimba or Ashanti Kotoko?
Guys like Mohammed Zidane and Aubameyang came into their own at Dortmund
The point is that Dortmund have ran a successful and sustainable business model centered on smart scouting and proper development.
The results are there for all to see with trophies and rich alumni of players.

Ranieri brought Monaco back to league une after spending time in the lower division. If not for the Arabs who bought the club few years back, we won't even be having this discussion.

please sir don't say what you don't know, aubameyang is French born, and already had a good season at saint Etienne and for Mohammed zidane, he was already well known in Germany bremen, Mainz and hamburger.

You asked if players can be signed from african academics and club the answer is yes Nicholas Nkoulou now play for torino was scouted by Monaco from Kadji sport academy and our very own Haruna Lukman was signed by Monaco from global crystal Academy.

That is scouting network, going down to the grass root.

goldfish80:





You want to do an about turn on what you said not more than 24hrs ago. Anyway, there you have it.

DId you say Sturridge was a champions league winner with Chelsea?
Please, how many minutes did he play for for Chelsea in the Champions League?
Are you sure you know what it means for a player to peak?

Lastly, why haven't Victor Moses averaged the numbers Salah got at As Roma where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione?

"Was Rodgers a top class coach just asking" how does that mean Rodger is a bad coach? but really was Rodgers top class?

edi287:

Why didn't any big club pick Suarez up then? Ibra moved directly to Juve from Ajax. Hunterlaar moved to Madrid. Kezman who scored 35 in 33 games and 31 in 29 moved to Chelsea directly afterwards. How come Suarez moved to Liverpool if he was the best striker in the world?? I repeat Suarez wasn't as highly rated as Hunterlaar, Ibra, Kezman when he moved to Liverpool. This is a fact.

Are you the one doing the rating, is liverpool a small team. good agent give you the best deals

goldfish80:





You want to do an about turn on what you said not more than 24hrs ago. Anyway, there you have it.

DId you say Sturridge was a champions league winner with Chelsea?
Please, how many minutes did he play for for Chelsea in the Champions League?
Are you sure you know what it means for a player to peak?

Lastly, why haven't Victor Moses averaged the numbers Salah got at As Roma where he didn't work with Klopp, Guardiola or Simione?

Does that tantamount to Brender is not a good coach? Very funny

You sabi grammar pass but you can't differentiate btw top class coach and good coach. Very funny.

Oga, I am a Chelsea fan and I know Sturridge was fully part of that tournament. He played 7 matches and started 5 matches. Live and direct.

Sturridge was banging in goals left right and center that same season. Fact

He was a known prolific goal scorer already before he left for Liverpool. Fact

goldfish80:


How many big European clubs buy players straight from Zezco, Enyimba or Ashanti Kotoko?
Guys like Mohammed Zidane and Aubameyang came into their own at Dortmund
The point is that Dortmund have ran a successful and sustainable business model centered on smart scouting and proper development.
The results are there for all to see with trophies and rich alumni of players.

Ranieri brought Monaco back to league une after spending time in the lower division. If not for the Arabs who bought the club few years back, we won't even be having this discussion.

European clubs buy players directly from Al Ahly of Egypt and i can give you the list of the players if you want.

Even salah was bought from egypt league to basel,sliman was bought from algeria league,I can give you some names of players if you doubt me

Martz101:


Are you the one doing the rating, is liverpool a small team. good agent give you the best deals

Nonsense. Suarez did not have a better pedigree than the guys I mentioned when he was at Eredivise. He had only scored more than 20 league goals in the Eredivisie twice. Someone like Kezman had scored over 30 twice.
Suarez was not seen as in the top 5 strikers when he was at Ajax and his first season at Liverpool. This is a fact!

forgiveness:


If you claim Suarez became a world class player under Brender Rodgers, sorry I can't help you.

There are many factors that makes a player better than another and scoring goals is just one of the factor.

What Salah was for Roma was what Moses was for Wigan.

The point is Moses was influencial to Wigan and even Chelsea in his role.

Moses influence in the National team and Chelsea won them laurels.. Facts





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How can I help you if you believe Suarez became world class (in other words finished article) at Ajax?
Did Moses get close to Salah's numbers while at Wigan? Salah got 14 assists and 15 goals in 2 consecutive seasons at As Roma. Would you kindly bring Victor Moses stats so we can compare.
Have Moses ever managed double figure goals and assist in a season at any point in his career?

Give honor to whom honor is due, it doesn't reduce you one bit. It's a bit strawman argument to make when you speculate wildly about a player being better than another if he worked with only 3 coaches out of the multitude he worked with previously.

The thread has derailed....allow it to crash

edi287:

Why didn't any big club pick Suarez up then? Ibra moved directly to Juve from Ajax. Hunterlaar moved to Madrid. Kezman who scored 35 in 33 games and 31 in 29 moved to Chelsea directly afterwards. How come Suarez moved to Liverpool if he was the best striker in the world?? I repeat Suarez wasn't as highly rated as Hunterlaar, Ibra, Kezman when he moved to Liverpool. This is a fact.

So liverpool that suarez joined is not a big club?Juventus is the only big club right?a club liverpool have european trophy than, A club that has won 5 champions league is not a big club to you right?

What happened to huntelaar at madrid? who is laughing best now is it now suarez,huntelaar is a great player and world class mind you.

What happened to kezman at chelsea?is it the kezman that managed only 4 epl goals in 25 matches? Suarez is better than all this players you mentioned

Martz101:


"Was Rodgers a top class coach just asking" how does that mean Rodger is a bad coach? but really was Rodgers top class?

If you follow the contest of the discussion, you will know he meant Rogers no follow. Sometimes, you go beyond words spoken to understand someone.
That is communication

edi287:

Nonsense. Suarez did not have a better pedigree than the guys I mentioned when he was at Eredivise. He had only scored more than 20 league goals in the Eredivisie twice. Someone like Kezman had scored over 30 twice.
Suarez was not seen as in the top 5 strikers when he was at Ajax and his first season at Liverpool. This is a fact!

Kezman 105 Eredivise goals and Suarez 91 in total,a little difference

andrew444:


So liverpool that suarez joined is not a big club? A club that has won 5 champions league is not a big club to you right?

What happened to huntelaar at madrid? who is laughing best now is it now suarez,huntelaar is a great player and world class mind you.

What happened to kezman at chelsea?is it the kezman that managed only 4 epl goals in 25 matches? Suarez is better than all this players you mentioned

Read my comment very carefully. SUAREZ WAS NOT WORLD CLASS AT THE EREDIVISIE. KEZMAN had better stats than he did at Eredivise...that is a fact.
Hunterlaar was not world class at Eredivise. Neither was Kezman. Neither was Ibra. Suarez was NEVER rated higher than those guys at the Eredivise.
Anyone who thinks Suarez was world class or even a Top 5 striker at 2011 must have been watching Netball.
Madrid is a bigger club than Liverpool. Fact!

Juve at 2004 was bigger/better than Liverpool at 2011. Fact!

andrew444:


Kezman 105 Eredivise goals and Suarez 91 in total,a little difference

Kezman scored over 30 TWICE. Suarez scored over 20 once. Facts!

goldfish80:

If you follow the contest of the discussion, you will know he meant Rogers no follow. Sometimes, you go beyond words spoken to understand someone.
That is communication

communication in this context will only be judge by what we read, we can't use body language because we can't see him

edi287:

Nonsense. Suarez did not have a better pedigree than the guys I mentioned when he was at Eredivise. He had only scored more than 20 league goals in the Eredivisie twice. Someone like Kezman had scored over 30 twice.
Suarez was not seen as in the top 5 strikers when he was at Ajax and his first season at Liverpool. This is a fact!

and he manage to become the 6th best player in the world in that period, how Come? he bribed Fifa?

Martz101:


please sir don't say what you don't know, aubameyang is French born, and already had a good season at saint Etienne and for Mohammed zidane, he was already well known in Germany bremen, Mainz and hamburger.

You asked if players can be signed from african academics and club the answer is yes Nicholas Nkoulou now play for torino was scouted by Monaco from Kadji sport academy and our very own Haruna Lukman was signed by Monaco from global crystal Academy.

That is scouting network, going down to the grass root.

HOw successful have they been qith these players from Kadji sports academy and Crystal Academy? What have been their ROI on these players? How many tournaments have they won with these players?
If you like, you can go to Obanta Utd and get players, the question is what were you able to achieve with these players in terms of finance and trophies.
That's my definition of success.

If not anything, it was the Lukman Harunas and the likes that saw Monaco relegated.
There's no basis for comparism with Dortmund.

Lastly and I repeat ,top clubs don't buy players straight from Africa. Except on very rare occasions. It is the 3rd and 4th class clubs who bother to scout in Africa for diamonds in the rough who they sell for profit. That's it.

edi287:

Read my comment very carefully. SUAREZ WAS NOT WORLD CLASS AT THE EREDIVISIE. KEZMAN had better stats than he did at Eredivise...that is a fact.
Hunterlaar was not world class at Eredivise. Neither was Kezman. Neither was Ibra. Suarez was NEVER rated higher than those guys at the Eredivise.
Anyone who thinks Suarez was world class or even a Top 5 striker at 2011 must have been watching Netball.
Madrid is a bigger club than Liverpool. Fact!

Juve at 2004 was bigger/better than Liverpool at 2011. Fact!

You see what you are saying again....for the past years juve has been better than liverpool no doubt.

But your mistake you are saying juve of 2004 is better than liverpool,why didnt you compare juve of 2004 to liverpool of 2004? the same squad of 2005 went ahead and win the champions league of 2005? Bros leave matter jare.

Wetin happen to Kezman? He didnt even fulfill his potential, Huntelaar is good,Suarez is the best striker in the world right now alongside Lewandowski