Martz101:


and he manage to become the 6th best player in the world in that period, how Come? he bribed Fifa?

No. He played well in the Copa America. Just like how Kanu made the top 10 of world player of year on the back of his Atlanta 96 performances

goldfish80:


HOw successful have they been qith these players from Kadji sports academy and Crystal Academy? What have been their ROI on these players? How many tournaments have they won with these players?
If you like, you can go to Obanta Utd and get players, the question is what were you able to achieve with these players in terms of finance and trophies.
That's my definition of success.

If not anything, it was the Lukman Harunas and the likes that saw Monaco relegated.
There's no basis for comparism with Dortmund.

Lastly and I repeat ,top clubs don't buy players straight from Africa. Except on very rare occasions. It is the 3rd and 4th class clubs who bother to scout in Africa for diamonds in the rough who they sell for profit. That's it.

I guess mancity is not a top club that bought Nacho from Taye Academy

I guess sporting CP is not a top club that bought Slimani from CR Belouizdad in the algerian league

I guess real madrid is not a top club that bought Samuel Eto from Kadji Sports Academy

Bros please stop saying what you dont know okay,ask questions before you conclude

goldfish80:


How can I help you if you believe Suarez became world class (in other words finished article) at Ajax?
Did Moses get close to Salah's numbers while at Wigan? Salah got 14 assists and 15 goals in 2 consecutive seasons at As Roma. Would you kindly bring Victor Moses stats so we can compare.
Have Moses ever managed double figure goals and assist in a season at any point in his career?

Give honor to whom honor is due, it doesn't reduce you one bit. It's a bit strawman argument to make when you speculate wildly about a player being better than another if he worked with only 3 coaches out of the multitude he worked with previously.

Suarez was already a proven world class player before he met Brender. Yes or No.

The argument is not about Salah is not better than Victor Moses, it is about Victor Moses improves every time he plays under a coach tht is known to improve players. Fact

andrew444:


You see what you are saying again....for the past years juve has been better than liverpool no doubt.

But your mistake you are saying juve of 2004 is better than liverpool,why didnt you compare juve of 2004 to liverpool of 2004? the same squad of 2005 went ahead and win the champions league of 2005? Bros leave matter jare.

Wetin happen to Kezman? He didnt even fulfill his potential, Huntelaar is good,Suarez is the best striker in the world right now alongside Lewandowski

I compared Juve of 04 to Liverpool of 11 because that was when they both moved to their respective clubs. As of 2011, Liverpool weren't even in the europa league talk of ucl. You want compare Liverpool of that time to a Juve side that was competing for Serie A and had players like Del Piero, Trez, etc?? Ibra moved to a MUCH better side. Facts!

edi287:

Kezman scored over 30 TWICE. Suarez scored over 20 once. Facts!

E no consign me,stats na stats...Na d goal wey dem score be that okay even if kezman score 40 a season e no change the stats...Kezman later flopped on the big stage,nothing really special about the dutch league,even memphis depay who plays as a winger scored 23 a single season

andrew444:


E no consign me,stats na stats...Na d goal wey dem score be that okay even if kezman score 40 a season e no change the stats...Kezman later flopped on the big stage,nothing really special about the dutch league,even memphis depay who plays as a winger scored 23 a single season

You clearly do not understand the crux of this argument.

edi287:

I compared Juve of 04 to Liverpool of 11 because that was when they both moved to their respective clubs. As of 2011, Liverpool weren't even in the europa league talk of ucl. You want compare Liverpool of that time to a Juve side that was competing for Serie A and had players like Del Piero, Trez, etc?? Ibra moved to a MUCH better side. Facts!

Lol i get you now....Finally finally Suarez is the winner,he is better than all those striker you mentioned maybe better than ibra of the same level thats when ibra was ibra sha.

Suarez has better goal stats than ibra in the dutch league,so dont use because someone joined juventus as an example

And mind you suarez has more offers then but he decide to join liverpool that does not mean others club did not come from him,liverpool offer him more licrative salary which is about 80k per week

andrew444:


I guess mancity is not a top club that bought Nacho from Taye Academy

I guess sporting CP is not a top club that bought Slimani from CR Belouizdad in the algerian league

I guess real madrid is not a top club that bought Samuel Eto from Kadji Sports Academy

Bros please stop saying what you dont know okay,ask questions before you conclude

HAha So Man city bought Iheanacho from Taye academy? I didn't know oh
I used to think Kelechi was the best player at the world U17s a feat that brought world attention to him. How could I have known Man city sent scouts to Owerri to fish him out.

Sporting Lisbon is a grade A club? So if we mention, Bayern, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Man utd, PSG, we will squeeze in Sporting Lisbon. This is brilliant.

YOu said Real Real Madrid got Eto from Cameroun? Thay was how many years back? 20 yrs ago? If they bought one player in 20 years from Africa, it definitely means they are scouting in Africa.

If we draw a pie chart using your assertions, how will the chart look like?

edi287:

Kezman scored over 30 TWICE. Suarez scored over 20 once. Facts!

17, 22, 35 and 7 goals for Ajax in his 4 and the half years in the Eredivisie.

22, 28, 49 and 12 goals in all competition in those same seasons. Fact

forgiveness:


Suarez was already a proven world class player before he met Brender. Yes or No.

The argument is not about Salah is not better than Victor Moses, it is about Victor Moses improves every time he plays under a coach tht is known to improve players. Fact

He was a good player not world class. You cannot claim to be world class if you're not doing it in the Champions League, Top 4 European league and the world stage.

Why haven't Moses improved to the point that he could average numbers close to Salah's at As Roma when working with those coaches?

andrew444:


Lol i get you now....Finally finally Suarez is the winner,he is better than all those striker you mentioned maybe better than ibra of the same level thats when ibra was ibra sha.

Suarez has better goal stats than ibra in the dutch league,so dont use because someone joined juventus as an example

And mind you suarez has more offers then but he decide to join liverpool that does not mean others club did not come from him,liverpool offer him more licrative salary which is about 80k per week

You are not getting my point. Suarez when he was at Ajax WAS NOT better than Ibra, Huntelaar and Kezman were when they played at the Eredivise.
Forgiveness is saying he was world class when he was at Ajax because he scored 35 league goals. I'm saying that isn't true because they've been strikers with better numbers in the league and were rated higher before they left i.e Hunterlaar and Ibra. That's the argument.
Suarez was only viewed as genuine world class after his second to the last season and of course his last season at Liverpool. Even then, in 12/13 season, he was never seen as the best striker in the world. His last two seasons at Liverpool where he put up great numbers were under Rodgers. To say Rodgers had inherited "the best striker in the world" is a very ridiculous assertion.

edi287:

You are not getting my point. Suarez when he was at Ajax WAS NOT better than Ibra, Huntelaar and Kezman were when they played at the Eredivise.
Forgiveness is saying he was world class when he was at Ajax because he scored 35 league goals. I'm saying that isn't true because they've been strikers with better numbers in the league and were rated higher before they left i.e Hunterlaar and Ibra. That's the argument.
Suarez was only viewed as genuine world class after his second to the last season and of course his last season at Liverpool. Even then, in 12/13 season, he was never seen as the best striker in the world. His last two seasons at Liverpool where he put up great numbers were under Rodgers. To say Rodgers had inherited "the best striker in the world" is a very ridiculous assertion.

Suarez at ajax is better than ibra....Seems kezman and huntelaar is better than suarez with stats the suarez is better than ibra with stats my broda,go and check it,is it not goal stats you are using to rate them? Kezman and huntelaar has better stats at ajax than suarez but ibra Hell No...Google is your answer man

forgiveness:



17, 22, 35 and 7 goals for Ajax in his 4 and the half years in the Eredivisie.

22, 28, 49 and 12 goals in all competition in those same seasons. Fact

Kezman had 31, 20, 40, 38. Kezman scored 24, 15, 31, 35 in the league alone. Fact.

edi287:

No. He played well in the Copa America. Just like how Kanu made the top 10 of world player of year on the back of his Atlanta 96 performances

Olympic games were not the only yard stick for Kanu making the top 10, he played champions league final 1995/1996 season.

A copa America is equals to the Africa nations cup and cant be enough to earn him the 6th spot in Fifa player ranking, sanchez won the same competition 2014 and 2016, also named the best player of the tournament, why didn't he get same accolade as Suarez even when he was playing in a suppose bigger team to Suarez

andrew444:


Suarez at ajax is better than ibra....Seems kezman and huntelaar is better than suarez with stats the suarez is better than ibra with stats my broda,go and check it,is it not goal stats you are using to rate them? Kezman and huntelaar has better stats at ajax than suarez but ibra Hell No...Google is your answer man

Ibra was more highly rated. I wasn't talking about stats in regard to Ibra. Ibra move to Juve proves that. He moved to much better team. We all know Ibra only started becoming a consistent goal scorer at 28

goldfish80:


HAha So Man city bought Iheanacho from Taye academy? I didn't know oh
I used to think Kelechi was the best player at the world U17s a feat that brought world attention to him. How could I have known Man city sent scouts to Owerri to fish him out.

Sporting Lisbon is a grade A club? So if we mention, Bayern, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Man utd, PSG, we will squeeze in Sporting Lisbon. This is brilliant.

YOu said Real Real Madrid got Eto from Cameroun? Thay was how many years back? 20 yrs ago? If they bought one player in 20 years from Africa, it definitely means they are scouting in Africa.

If we draw a pie chart using your assertions, how will the chart look like?

Its either you buy a player from an academy or you get him from a playing club.

Am i comparing sporting with madrid and co? No

You are expecting only madrid and barcelona and co to get players from african league?

How many african players have even played for this club,you can count them

If i give you the transfer of players from african league to average europe and smaller europe club you will be suprised.

But sporting is a top club in Portugal and you know it,Portugal league is among the top 10 league in the world so that make sporting a top club.

Basel is s top club in switzerland and got salah from egypt league,i can give you more names

Manucho of angola joined man united from perto atheletico,they scouted him at the angola league and give him a 3 week trial and he passed it then they got him,i dont say what i dont know.

edi287:

Ibra was more highly rated. I wasn't talking about stats in regard to Ibra. Ibra move to Juve proves that. He moved to much better team. We all know Ibra only started becoming a consistent goal scorer at 28

Highly rated by the media but could not get more goals than suarez right?

Martz101:


Olympic games were not the only yard stick for Kanu making the top 10, he played champions league final 1995/1996 season.

A copa America is equals to the Africa nations cup and cant be enough to earn him the 6th spot in Fifa player ranking, sanchez won the same competition 2014 and 2016, also named the best player of the tournament, why didn't he get same accolade as Suarez even when he was playing in a suppose bigger team to Suarez

Kanu did not have a great Ucl championship to merit being rated 6th best player in the world at 96. He wasn't even benching Kluivert and not only that, he didn't score in the ucl in 96. He scored only once in 95.
How can a Copa not be enough??

andrew444:


Highly rated by the media but could not get more goals than suarez right?

How did he earn a move to Juve then?

forgiveness:



17, 22, 35 and 7 goals for Ajax in his 4 and the half years in the Eredivisie.

22, 28, 49 and 12 goals in all competition in those same seasons. Fact

Kezman scored 35 and 31 in the league twice. Suarez only did it once

edi287:

How did he earn a move to Juve then?

Scored many goals for Ajax but not more than Suarez ,and mind you ibra is a living legend

edi287:

I compared Juve of 04 to Liverpool of 11 because that was when they both moved to their respective clubs. As of 2011, Liverpool weren't even in the europa league talk of ucl. You want compare Liverpool of that time to a Juve side that was competing for Serie A and had players like Del Piero, Trez, etc?? Ibra moved to a MUCH better side. Facts!

Liverpool finish 3rd, 4th and 2nd on the EPL table from 2006 - 2009.

Liverpool were UEFA Champions league champion in 2005, Runner up in 2007, Semi finalist in 2008, Quarter finalist 2009 and Europa semi finalist in 2010.

Tell me something.

goldfish80:


HOw successful have they been qith these players from Kadji sports academy and Crystal Academy? What have been their ROI on these players? How many tournaments have they won with these players?
If you like, you can go to Obanta Utd and get players, the question is what were you able to achieve with these players in terms of finance and trophies.
That's my definition of success.

If not anything, it was the Lukman Harunas and the likes that saw Monaco relegated.
There's no basis for comparism with Dortmund.

Lastly and I repeat ,top clubs don't buy players straight from Africa. Except on very rare occasions. It is the 3rd and 4th class clubs who bother to scout in Africa for diamonds in the rough who they sell for profit. That's it.

You are really not a straight forward person, you said Dortmund had scouting network every where in the world including Africa and I ask which player did they sign straight from Africa and you don't know. now you turn around to say big team don't sign from Africa, you know nothing about scouting

1. Eto.... the best player ever in Africa was scouted by the biggest club in Madrid scout straight from Cameroon
2.kolo toure...from Asec to one of the best team in England Arsenal for just 150,000 pounds

I still ask you for one player Dortmund scouted from africa?

forgiveness:



Liverpool finish 3rd, 4th and 2nd on the EPL table from 2006 - 2009.

Liverpool were UEFA Champions league champion in 2005, Runner up in 2007, Semi finalist in 2008, Quarter finalist 2009 and Europa semi finalist in 2010.

Tell me something.

Why stop at 2009?? Tell us where they finished 2010 and 2011?
Juve won the league from 2001 - 2006(when Serie A was viewed as the best league in the world). Oh and they were still playing the Ucl when Ibra joined. Suarez joined when they weren't in the ucl yet you want us to believe Liverpool was a bigger/better team when Suarez joined than Juve were around 04 -06?? Comparing the players of both teams would even kill any chance of having such a lame argument

andrew444:


Scored many goals for Ajax but not more than Suarez ,and mind you ibra is a living legend

Why didn't Suarez move to a bigger club than Liverpool if he was world class or the best striker in the world like Forgiveness claims??

goldfish80:


He was a good player not world class. You cannot claim to be world class if you're not doing it in the Champions League, Top 4 European league and the world stage.

Why haven't Moses improved to the point that he could average numbers close to Salah's at As Roma when working with those coaches?

Are those tournaments higher than FIFA world cup?

What role is Victor Moses playing now?

tbaba1234:
Fegor Ogude posing with a gun

nice AK 103

Ok na.... since its a free for all now, me too wan start new debate....

Sikiru Olatubosun is better than C Ronaldo.... Fact!

Enyimba will beat Man city any day, any time..... Guardiola or not..... Fact!

Salisu Yusuf is a world class coach... Fact!


Oya na? Come and disprove all the above.

edi287:

Why didn't Suarez move to a bigger club than Liverpool if he was world class or the best striker in the world like Forgiveness claims??

Suarez turned down Bayern and inter to join Liverpool,Liverpool offer more wages.

But how far who later conquer the world ?

kennysville:
Ok na.... since its a free for all now, me too wan start new debate....

Sikiru Olatubosun is better than C Ronaldo.... Fact!

Enyimba will beat Man city any day, any time..... Guardiola or not..... Fact!

Salisu Yusuf is a world class coach... Fact!


Oya na? Come and disprove all the above.

Nobody go argue this because we all know you are joking

andrew444:


Suarez turned down Bayern and inter to join Liverpool,Liverpool offer more wages.

But how far who later conquer the world ?

Proof please.

We're not asking "who later conquered the world", we are asking if Suarez was the best striker in the world at Ajax. The answer is NO.

andrew444:


Nobody go argue this because we all know you are joking

And why is that? How you take know say I dey joke? (Argument don start be dat O)