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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by onome25(m): 8:19am On Apr 12, 2018
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:20am On Apr 12, 2018
Truidstar:


Sir, stats do not play football on the field. Who still recalls some years back, there was this national clamour for Peter Ijeh, he was banging goals for fun in Sweden. He was eventually invited, what was the outcome... A huge flop. That was the first and last time he donned the GWG. .....CYRIL DESSERS!!!!


You said Sweden, right!?

We are talking about better leagues not Swedish league.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 8:20am On Apr 12, 2018
Chrismario:


We have mikel

The truth musa and many if not all our forwards don't know when to make such run. Our problem is consistency in poor decision making
Mikel is great at holding the ball up, but he doesn't put the eye of the needle pass regularly. Watch Musa vs Arsenal and see how often he was getting in behind. It's just his poor football IQ that kills him when he's in that position.
Anyhow you're right. He's good as a sub.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 8:27am On Apr 12, 2018
komekn:


You see your life

You did not read the post before you jumped to the most negative emotive deduction.

Please find one reference point not two where I have called for the inclusion of Tomori. If you can not do the honourable thing and apologise for misrepresentation.
He thought you are canvassing for Tomori Fikayo but not knowing that you already said Fikayo not ripe for Eagles despite his performance.

I remember asking you about Fikayo,Onomah and Adarabioyo and you said Fikayo and Adarabioyo are not ripe for Eagles but Onomah ready to go

This should not bring arguments,one of those things on the thread when one came in in the middle of discourse.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 8:32am On Apr 12, 2018
komekn:


You see your life

You did not read the post before you jumped to the most negative emotive deduction.

Please find one reference point not two where I have called for the inclusion of Tomori. If you can not do the honourable thing and apologise for misrepresentation.

Your quote to tbaba comment "still not good enough for SE" triggered my reply.

It looks as if you are calling for his inclusion(in sarcastic tone) but I may be wrong.

Sorry for misinterpretation

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 8:39am On Apr 12, 2018
Truidstar:


Noted. But also know that club form and national team form is not the same. The service Mandzukic got yesterday he does not get in the national team. REMEMBER.....CYRIL DESSERS!!!!!!

Oga dont be deceived, Croatia have very quality players to deliver such crosses

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 8:54am On Apr 12, 2018
Can Alex Iwobi shake Super Eagles out of John Obi Mikel-dependency?
Solace Chukwu
Correspondent


When the realization hit, ahead of Nigeria's two friendlies against Poland and Serbia last month, that leader, playmaker and talisman John Obi Mikel would be absent, a challenge immediately presented itself to Gernot Rohr.

It is no coincidence that, since the German took over the reins of the national team, he has recorded a win in only one of the four games for which his captain has been absent. The pattern of all four games is easily recognizable: disjointed attacking play; a lack of tempo, rhythm or indeed, direction.

The remit, then, was clear enough: Rohr's biggest challenge, heading into the World Cup, was to divine a way to play without Mikel. However, if what was presented in Wroclaw and Barnet was an indication of the breadth of his aptitude, then there is much to worry about in the summer.

It was not so much the predictable dysfunction, but that, right in his selection, there were present the very tools to solve the problem definitively. It brought to the fore a profound paradox, one which centres on Arsenal midfielder Alex Iwobi.

That paradox is this: for a player whose national team displays seem to dwarf his club performances, the 21-year-old appears to have more trust from Arsene Wenger than he does from Rohr.

With the Gunners' energies and best resources now focused on a Europa League run, Wenger had no qualms handing Iwobi the creative reins at the weekend.

It was a faith that was roundly repaid, as he ran the game: laying on two assists and involved in a characteristic Arsenal move for the first goal; pivotal, stealthy in his movements and taking up splendid positions to transition the ball into the final third.

It was no fluke either, simply the harnessing of the full width of a well-known skill set – quick feet in tight spaces, and the ability to think quickly, all the while using the ball economically.

This leads then to the inevitable question: why was Iwobi wasted on the flank in both friendlies last month?

Alex Iwobi

Instead, Rohr changed the system altogether, first playing a flat 4-4-2 with Kelechi Iheanacho upfront alongside Odion Ighalo, and then a 4-3-3 with Wilfred Ndidi shuttling forward.

Iwobi would often have to receive the ball wide with his back to goal, and while his strength and calmness under pressure meant he often did well laying it off, it seemed a waste to rip up the team's entire shape when a simple plug-and-play would have sufficed.

It is not simply that, having been at Arsenal from the age of eight, Iwobi naturally has more credit with Wenger. There is that element of course, a legacy of the Frenchman's well-known, almost indulgent, faith in young players.

However, when Rohr did trust Iwobi centrally, it led to a rather interesting result.

One has only to cast the mind back to that storming comeback against Argentina last November. Played as a nominal striker, Iwobi produced his best performance for the Super Eagles, scoring two brilliantly taken goals, both finishes in tight areas inside the penalty box.

That, then, is all the evidence needed of his ability to function at a high level centrally.

With Arsenal going all in in the Europa League, there will certainly be many more opportunities for him to shine.

While, for some coaches, the concern in a World Cup year is for their star players to not suffer burnout at the Mundial, for others it is rather the opposite—this significantly alleviates the concern around Iwobi turning up rusty or undercooked.

Rohr may have missed a trick in March, but if he can find it in his inherently cautious nature to trust Iwobi at the heart of the team, it would go some way toward weaning the Super Eagles of its Mikel-dependency.

--goal

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 8:56am On Apr 12, 2018
Martz101:


see as human beings be, you ask for 3 and he gave you 4 and still you dey complain. maybe Musa papa collect una land


I didn't ask for 3,na anoda moniker ask d question,besides counting 4 assist as an offensive player who plays actively most times for us b4 shows aw poor he's cool
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 9:07am On Apr 12, 2018
goldfish80:


I am not surprised if this is true. Nothing surprising at all.

If this is true, then I think we should just lower our expectations from this SE team.

But if not, then a big shame to the news outlet
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 9:12am On Apr 12, 2018
Truidstar:


Noted. But also know that club form and national team form is not the same. The service Mandzukic got yesterday he does not get in the national team. REMEMBER.....CYRIL DESSERS!!!!!!

Lol wetin Happen to Cyril Dessers?

And who told you Mandzukic doesnt get the same service at the national team? He played from the Flank against madrid...Mind you in croatia he has 30 goals in 80 appearance which is not bad.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 9:18am On Apr 12, 2018
Like I said, it's an individual thing, the man is desperate to leave so anything thrown at him, he grabs, he's looking for money badly. Blame it on his low self esteem or greed? Or maybe he's just too desperto start earning euros. We have had players from the league that went straight into first team football without trials, some weren't even HGS in the league. Okpotu is just a desperate man, nothing else.
bengine:


Don't you think its disrespectful to our Nigerian league players..a highest goal scorer being asked to do trial!! Which means they don't trust whatever he achieved in the Nigerian league..

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 9:23am On Apr 12, 2018
tbaba1234:
Juventus display shows you the importance of crossing the ball.. I wonder why Nigeria does not cross often.

In addition, the importance of a good target man with deadly instincts and good arial prowess (which we currently lack)

It's a pity. A nation with a population of 180million. The best we can boast of is ighalo. Haaa!!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 9:27am On Apr 12, 2018
elyte89:



I didn't ask for 3,na anoda moniker ask d question,besides counting 4 assist as an offensive player who plays actively most times for us b4 shows aw poor he's cool


The 4 assist is not the only assist he got, he just name 4 because they ask for 3

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 9:27am On Apr 12, 2018
This we lack in Ighalo or any other forwards for now. BTW, when last did any of our defenders score a goal from a corner kick or any other setpiece?
darkelf:


In addition, the importance of a good target man with deadly instincts and good arial prowess (which we currently lack)

It's a pity. A nation with a population of 180million. The best we can boast of is ighalo. Haaa!!

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 9:27am On Apr 12, 2018
forgiveness:


Moses simon can't cross but the last goal Kalu scored with his head was from whose cross?

Besides, if they are crap players, can you please recommend the better crosser of the ball and prove why they are better with facts?

Can you please let us know how many assists those players gave with their crosses?

Sorry ooo. Egbon.

Please, how many assists does Simon Moses have this season. No wait.....his whole career and please compare to say...mane or oxlade-chamberlain

I'm not sure myself to. I just need to understand something
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 9:29am On Apr 12, 2018
Joebie:
Can Alex Iwobi shake Super Eagles out of John Obi Mikel-dependency?
Solace Chukwu
Correspondent


When the realization hit, ahead of Nigeria's two friendlies against Poland and Serbia last month, that leader, playmaker and talisman John Obi Mikel would be absent, a challenge immediately presented itself to Gernot Rohr.

It is no coincidence that, since the German took over the reins of the national team, he has recorded a win in only one of the four games for which his captain has been absent. The pattern of all four games is easily recognizable: disjointed attacking play; a lack of tempo, rhythm or indeed, direction.

The remit, then, was clear enough: Rohr's biggest challenge, heading into the World Cup, was to divine a way to play without Mikel. However, if what was presented in Wroclaw and Barnet was an indication of the breadth of his aptitude, then there is much to worry about in the summer.

It was not so much the predictable dysfunction, but that, right in his selection, there were present the very tools to solve the problem definitively. It brought to the fore a profound paradox, one which centres on Arsenal midfielder Alex Iwobi.

That paradox is this: for a player whose national team displays seem to dwarf his club performances, the 21-year-old appears to have more trust from Arsene Wenger than he does from Rohr.

With the Gunners' energies and best resources now focused on a Europa League run, Wenger had no qualms handing Iwobi the creative reins at the weekend.

It was a faith that was roundly repaid, as he ran the game: laying on two assists and involved in a characteristic Arsenal move for the first goal; pivotal, stealthy in his movements and taking up splendid positions to transition the ball into the final third.

It was no fluke either, simply the harnessing of the full width of a well-known skill set – quick feet in tight spaces, and the ability to think quickly, all the while using the ball economically.

This leads then to the inevitable question: why was Iwobi wasted on the flank in both friendlies last month?

Alex Iwobi

Instead, Rohr changed the system altogether, first playing a flat 4-4-2 with Kelechi Iheanacho upfront alongside Odion Ighalo, and then a 4-3-3 with Wilfred Ndidi shuttling forward.

Iwobi would often have to receive the ball wide with his back to goal, and while his strength and calmness under pressure meant he often did well laying it off, it seemed a waste to rip up the team's entire shape when a simple plug-and-play would have sufficed.

It is not simply that, having been at Arsenal from the age of eight, Iwobi naturally has more credit with Wenger. There is that element of course, a legacy of the Frenchman's well-known, almost indulgent, faith in young players.

However, when Rohr did trust Iwobi centrally, it led to a rather interesting result.

One has only to cast the mind back to that storming comeback against Argentina last November. Played as a nominal striker, Iwobi produced his best performance for the Super Eagles, scoring two brilliantly taken goals, both finishes in tight areas inside the penalty box.

That, then, is all the evidence needed of his ability to function at a high level centrally.

With Arsenal going all in in the Europa League, there will certainly be many more opportunities for him to shine.

While, for some coaches, the concern in a World Cup year is for their star players to not suffer burnout at the Mundial, for others it is rather the opposite—this significantly alleviates the concern around Iwobi turning up rusty or undercooked.

Rohr may have missed a trick in March, but if he can find it in his inherently cautious nature to trust Iwobi at the heart of the team, it would go some way toward weaning the Super Eagles of its Mikel-dependency.

--goal

we keep on looking for Aluko and co when we have a gem, if this dude can be trusted by Wenger why can't Rohr do same.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 9:30am On Apr 12, 2018
Danielnino00:
All those people tongue lashing Musa and Simeon for their poor crosses should plz tell us how many times our strikers have scored goals from headers?..

All those corner kicks we have bee taking, how many times have they resulted to goals?

Valid point.

We don't have an Agali type striker in our team
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 9:33am On Apr 12, 2018
somehow:
Like I said, it's an individual thing, the man is desperate to leave so anything thrown at him, he grabs, he's looking for money badly. Blame it on his low self esteem or greed? Or maybe he's just too desperto start earning euros. We have had players from the league that went straight into first team football without trials, some weren't even HGS in the league. Okpotu is just a desperate man, nothing else.

sometimes is the club policy, Wenger wanted Ibrahimovic for trial sometime ago
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 9:33am On Apr 12, 2018
Na wa African athletes dey sky for Australia.. Good thing Naija no fall our hand this time.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 9:35am On Apr 12, 2018
To that guy who asked who will be the headers, please have u seen Sadiq Umar play? He is a wizard in the air. I am no fan of Ighalo, in fact I want him out of that team ASAP because he misses lots of chances but, did u see his header against Cameroun in Brussels and also Kelechi's header against Cameroun in Uyo?

We can score from crosses but unfortunately the crosses ain't coming through because we have whack wingers in Simon and Musa (the two headless chickens).


A Frontline with Sadiq as the top striker and Kalu as the winger will produce powerful bullet plus glancing headers from pinpoint crosses.


I honestly don't see our team as a serious team whenever I see the trio of Musa, Simon and Ighalo in the list of invited players or match day squad
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 9:35am On Apr 12, 2018
Joebie:
One of the ills of Manu Garba. How so?
"there are somethings one know but shouldn't say". Then what then?

He sounds like someone disgruntled.. If he had something to say Simon, he should come out and expose it instead of making a fool of himself with riddle-like news.

As regards Rohr, we are waiting.



See ehn, bros. Our performance in the WC will tell who was truthful and who lied

If we perform excellently or poorly, then the whole truth will come out naturally
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 9:39am On Apr 12, 2018
somehow:
This we lack in Ighalo or any other forwards for now. BTW, when last did any of our defenders score a goal from a corner kick or any other setpiece?

Thank you bro. I forgot to add the defence.

They seem to lack positional abilities for headers from corners.

In the last two friendlies, I even observed a bit of confusion from our defenders when we took corners
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 9:42am On Apr 12, 2018
darkelf:


In addition, the importance of a good target man with deadly instincts and good arial prowess (which we currently lack)

It's a pity. A nation with a population of 180million. The best we can boast of is ighalo. Haaa!!


Is normal, this things are like phases, there was a time we had so many point men at same time in Europe doing well that we had to fix them on the wings, kanu,yakubu,Martins,Utaka,Osaze and even more, then we lacked real wingers.

Also we lacked quality defensive midfielder, olofijana and Etuhu was the best we could offer, look at that department now.

since Ronaldo retired Brazil are also suffering from the same thing, in 2014 worldcup they went to worldcup with fuminense 31 year old fred, once upon a time we had Enyeama, Ejide and Aiyenugba at there peak

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 9:44am On Apr 12, 2018
Perfect.
Martz101:


sometimes is the club policy, Wenger wanted Ibrahimovic for trial sometime ago
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 9:46am On Apr 12, 2018
Do they even attend heading to score? Not like we don't have defenders that can jump but they seem not to attempt scoring.

Apart from Iceland, the other 2 opponents have enough scorers both with the head and legs. Goals win matches, not defending.

The most scoring side wins, not the most defensive side.
darkelf:


Thank you bro. I forgot to add the defence.

They seem to lack positional abilities for headers from corners.

In the last two friendlies, I even observed a bit of confusion from our defenders when we took corners
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 9:46am On Apr 12, 2018
darkelf:


Sorry ooo. Egbon.

Please, how many assists does Simon Moses have this season. No wait.....his whole career and please compare to say...mane or oxlade-chamberlain

I'm not sure myself to. I just need to understand something

Why una dey do like this, why this comparison?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 9:50am On Apr 12, 2018
ChrisKels:
To that guy who asked who will be the headers, please have u seen Sadiq Umar play? He is a wizard in the air. I am no fan of Ighalo, in fact I want him out of that team ASAP because he misses lots of chances but, did u see his header against Cameroun in Brussels and also Kelechi's header against Cameroun in Uyo?

We can score from crosses but unfortunately the crosses ain't coming through because we have whack wingers in Simon and Musa (the two headless chickens).


A Frontline with Sadiq as the top striker and Kalu as the winger will produce powerful bullet plus glancing headers from pinpoint crosses.


I honestly don't see our team as a serious team whenever I see the trio of Musa, Simon and Ighalo in the list of invited players or match day squad

change the whole team
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 9:53am On Apr 12, 2018
darkelf:


In addition, the importance of a good target man with deadly instincts and good aerial prowess (which we currently lack)

It's a pity. A nation with a population of 180million. The best we can boast of is ighalo. Haaa!!


The bolded has a simple answer if we were honest with ourselves. The answer is Sadiq Umar. Remember why we were hot on the hills of Tammy, now luckily to us, Umar is even an upgrade on Tammy, so why not give him that opportunity.

And to ur last paragraph, please Ighalo ain't the best, we have better strikers, only the technical crew know why they prefer Ighalo.

Ighalo, Agu, Simon and Musa wouldn't make my team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 9:56am On Apr 12, 2018
darkelf:

Valid point.
We don't have an Agali type striker in our team
If Agali was even young you will still complain and want yekini type

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 10:00am On Apr 12, 2018
Chrismario:


Your quote to tbaba comment "still not good enough for SE" triggered my reply.

It looks as if you are calling for his inclusion(in sarcastic tone) but I may be wrong.

Sorry for misinterpretation


No Shakin !!! Respect.

I went to watch Tomori, Aina and Hope.

Tomori has had an opportunity and that's the operative word. I would consider quite a few non league players better than him.

Aina for the little time he came on was composed and showed real quality. A clear choice for RB in the SE. Although strangely he was playing left back for Hull.

Hope Akpan is in a relegation team that plays a very compact syste and is bottom of the league. A team with zero pace and very limited players Hope who use to be an attacking type of midfielder is now playing as a water carrier and was anonymous. By club form he is not SE material but individually hard to say.

In football I am not sure which is more important ability or opportunity.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 10:04am On Apr 12, 2018
ChrisKels:


The bolded has a simple answer if we were honest with ourselves. The answer is Sadiq Umar. Remember why we were hot on the hills of Tammy, now luckily to us, Umar is even an upgrade on Tammy, so why not give him that opportunity.

And to ur last paragraph, please Ighalo ain't the best, we have better strikers, only the technical crew know why they prefer Ighalo.

Ighalo, Agu, Simon and Musa wouldn't make my team.

how can Sadiq be an upgrade of tammy with less than 10 career goals chai, how can Sadiq be better than ighalo who has played against the best in the world and scored loads of goals

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lexyman(m): 10:10am On Apr 12, 2018
Bolowolowo:
After watching mandzukic’s performance, I’m starting to think that the Croatians will be an even bigger challenge than the Argentines.

dont forget Mandzukic is a player that know's how to use his head , the team played to his strength , remove Douglas Costa , and see how ordinary Mandzukic is .

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