Empiree:
u dey enjoy am

yes sir n even learning both spiritually ....

Sir if I don't ave money to buy any animal,,,can I recite d yasin like 4 times or more in the night after prayers,,,,,hope its OK because I don't want to run mad

karim77:
yes sir n even learning both spiritually ....

Sir if I don't ave money to buy any animal,,,can I recite d yasin like 4 times or more in the night after prayers,,,,,hope its OK because I don't want to run mad

Lol, run mad?. No, you wont . 4 is okay. Thats not a lot. Do little within your ability. Grow up from there.

Empiree:
Lol, run mad?. No, you wont . 4 is okay. Thats not a lot. Do little within your ability. Grow up from their.

OK thanks a lot sir .

karim77:
OK thanks a lot sir .

You are much welcome.

Empiree:
You are much welcome.

Sir no more story?? thanks for the prayers it is working but does it also applies in terms for financial breakthrough cos I applied it for in terms of dreams.

I pray God will have mercy and answer my prayer

karim77:
Sir no more story??

Lol...I am not a storyteller

thanks for the prayers

You are welcome

it is working but does it also applies in terms for financial breakthrough cos I applied it for in terms of dreams.

For everything of-course. You know dua goes with niyat. In most cases however, Yasin is powerful one that even if you forget niyat(you dont have to say it out of course), Yasin automatically acts on it own on your behalf. It's dua.

I pray God will have mercy and answer my prayer

In Sha Allah, Ameena.

in a dream I saw myself crying? wat does it mean and 2 in my dream I see a strong personality taking d image of my close family trying to immediate me ,we argue n shout on each other n it get scaries to me DAT I wake up,,,d personality is like a strongman of my father house,,,,,pls can you tell me d meaning of d dreams n wat prayers to say sir....God almighty will bless u.

Empiree:
Lol...I am not a storyteller

You are welcome


For everything of-course. You know dua goes with niyat. In most cases however, Yasin is powerful one that even if you forget niyat(you dont have to say it out of course), Yasin automatically acts on it own on your behalf. It's dua.

In Sha Allah, Ameena.

thanks a lot sir.God bless u

karim77:
in a dream I saw myself crying? wat does it mean and 2 in my dream I see a strong personality taking d image of my close family trying to immediate me ,we argue n shout on each other n it get scaries to me DAT I wake up,,,d personality is like a strongman of my father house,,,,,pls can you tell me d meaning of d dreams n wat prayers to say sir....God almighty will bless u.

be careful who you narrate your dream. If I were you I won't take it serious. I would continue with dua.

drstan:
Well this jinn story is not new to me, way back in secondary, it was hell to some muslim ladies, some times at night you will see them runing into the bush, shouting, and when this jinn come upon them, you need more strenght as a guy to hold them down, because they will become more powerfull, but the only good thing is that when you dont have any islamic name atached to your name and you are not from an islamic background, that evil demonic spirit can not come into you, because who is in you is greater than those in the world

lol..the problem here is the fact that ure already a finished product..trials and test are meant for those that are expected to either pass or fail it not for those that are known to be failures already...there is bound to be caos when a filthy thing enters a clean body...but when it enters a dirty one it rides smoothly..i only hope you have the iq to understand my points

karim77:
in a dream I saw myself crying? wat does it mean and 2 in my dream I see a strong personality taking d image of my close family trying to immediate me ,we argue n shout on each other n it get scaries to me DAT I wake up,,,d personality is like a strongman of my father house,,,,,pls can you tell me d meaning of d dreams n wat prayers to say sir....God almighty will bless u.

salâm aleikom, just so you know, you don't narrate your bad dreams to anybody, and you don't narrate your good dreams to just anybody. This is the sunnah.

This thread again

Updated.....

Someone keeps liking my comments. I guess they enjoy Jinn Stories....LOL

Really this thread needs NL award

Empiree, on page 8 of this thread there's a post of yours that was quoted from a previous page. The part in blue ink is what caught my attention.

Those stages, are they to be followed specifically in that order?

I'm reading through the thread again and it seems I wasn't following it initially. A lot of things I can't remember reading before

I have questions for you about your sheikh and some stories you didn't complete but in due time

Hkana:
Empiree, on page 8 of this thread there's a post of yours that was quoted from a previous page. The part in blue ink is what caught my attention.

Those stages, are they to be followed specifically in that order?

I'm reading through the thread again and it seems I wasn't following it initially. A lot of things I can't remember reading before

I have questions for you about your sheikh and some stories you didn't complete but in due time

No, doesn't have to be in order. I posted them as I remembered. They are just initial dhikr. Keep reading akhi

Albaqir there was something you said about nafs on page 17. I'm interested in that "different" Adam and Eve creation story

Modified. Done reading through the thread. A lot was shared here.

Empiree I noticed you did not share that Alagemo story anymore and that story about someone in Germany
Share with me bro

Hkana:
Albaqir there was something you said about nafs on page 17. I'm interested in that "different" Adam and Eve creation story

Modified. Done reading through the thread. A lot was shared here.

Empi.ree I noticed you did not share that Alagemo story anymore and that story about someone in Germany
Share with me bro

lol. Other brother askedd too in another thread. Bottom line is that I forgot most part. I only remember how it started and fairly how it ended. But it is mostly forgotten. This was around 1990-1993.

For the guy in Germany he's better now. He brought the problem on himself by sleeping and staying alone like homeless in isolated abandoned building despite been offered a place to live. So we later discovered jinn enticed him to spend his money on casinos. Money given to him by the govt to manage himself. Shackle of the jinn is broken now and he stopped going to casino. Said he has no idea what he was doing. Said something kept telling him to go there and spend the money for a big win. I asked him 2 weeks ago if he won anything he said no. Said he wasted money including the ones we gave him. I said "see why Islam says not to get involved in this thing".

^^^
Sub han Allah! Things happen in this world though. Alhamdulilah for him.


Lemme still mention Albaqir in case he didn't get the first mention

Hkana:

Lemme still mention Albaqir in case he didn't get the first mention

# Sorry brother for the late response.

The issue was about the creation of Adam and Eve. There seems to be unanimity regarding the creation of Adam from clay (although very few believe it to be figurative).

However, there is debate on the creation of Eve, and the boiling point has always been this ayah (@underline):

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 1:

"O' people! be in awe of your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and spread from them (the couple) many men and women. And be in awe of Allah through Whom you demand one of another, as well as any ties of kinship; Surely Allah is watching over you."

# a single soul (nafs wahida): Here, though there are few talk as to the meaning of "nafs", but everybody seem to agree it refers to Adam, as the word "nafs" is also used for "man".


# and from it created its mate (wa khalaqa minHÃ zawjaha): This is where controversy sets in.

1. Some scholars are of the opinion that Eve was created from Adam('s limb). This part (of the verse) was forced in the direction of their understanding of the below hadith:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (s) said, "Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should not hurt (trouble) his neighbor. And I advise you to take care of the women, for they are created from a rib and the most crooked portion of the rib is its upper part; if you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you leave it, it will remain crooked, so I urge you to take care of the women."

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5185, 5186
In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 120
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 114
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/67/120


IMPORTANT NOTE: The pronoun particle (HÃ) used in the verse (wa khalaqa minHÃ zawjaha) is actually "feminine" which if we are to put that into consideration, we can translate to "her" or "it". Hence, you see many translation as: "from it created its mate". " It" here refer to "Nafs". Therefore, is "it" referring to "Adam", a living man?"

While the likes of Sunni mufasir, Ibn Kathir stubbornly adhere to the literal meaning of the above hadith to interpret the verse, hence, concluding that " eve was created from the rib of Adam", the likes of another Sunni mufasir, Fakhr al-din Razi in his Tafsir al-Kabir argued that "nafs" here with pronoun particle of "it" does not refer to "Adam, a living man" rather the "nafs" was still in the spirit form. Hence, both Adam and Eve were created from the same "spirit - Nafs". According to Abdullah Yusuf Ali (in his English translation and commentary of the Quran) who also agrees and quotes Fakhr al-din Razi, he argued that " the idea of creation of Eve from Adam's rib" is Christianic/Israelite idea that crept into Islamic thoughts.


# What about the abovementioned hadith?

The hadith is more figurative than being literal because of the below hadith of the same genre:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (s ) said, "The woman is like a rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some crookedness."

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5184
In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 119
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 113
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/67/119

This is now a simile not literal. And its only emphasis on the importance on treating women right for they are delicate physically and emotionally. Therefore, using the first hadith to interpret the verse seems very wrong.


2. In Shi'a tafsir like tafsir al-Mizan, Allama Tabatabai also argued that the "nafs" refer to Adam but the pronoun particle "it" goes back to the clay from which Adam was created. Hence, his mate (Eve) was created (also) from it (clay).

Allamah Hussein Tabatabai threw out the idea of Eve being created from Adam's rib and affirm his argument by an hadith of Imam Muhammad Ibn Ali ibn Hussein Ibn Ali Ibn Abi Talib, al-Baqir (as) which clearly stated that Eve was created from the remainder of the very clay that Adam was created from.


Was salam alaykum

Who's blocking chief albaqir's now

Lol. I got a mention but I can't see it now

Who is the moderator? Sissie?

Hkana:
Lol. I got a mention but I can't see it now
Who is the moderator? Si.ssie?

Moderator has restored my comment and your mention. Sorry again for the delay.

I've seen and read the post. Thanks for sharing.
Wa alaikum salaam Sir.

AlBaqir:

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While the likes of Sunni mufasir, Ibn Kathir stubbornly adhere to the literal meaning of the above hadith to interpret the verse, hence, concluding that " eve was created from the rib of Adam", the likes of another Sunni mufasir, Fakhr al-din Razi in his Tafsir al-Kabir argued that "nafs" here with pronoun particle of "it" does not refer to "Adam, a living man" rather the "nafs" was still in the spirit form. Hence, both Adam and Eve were created from the same "spirit - Nafs". According to Abdullah Yusuf Ali (in his English translation and commentary of the Quran) who also agrees and quotes Fakhr al-din Razi, he argued that " the idea of creation of Eve from Adam's rib" is Christianic/Israelite idea that crept into Islamic thoughts.

@Bold, you need not state this, or did you have any evidence to back up your claim?!

Secondly, I would appreciate if you can quote Ar-Razi's argument (above in red) with reference, I seem not to find it!

AlBaqir:

2. In Shi'a tafsir like tafsir al-Mizan, Allama Tabatabai also argued that the "nafs" refer to Adam but the pronoun particle "it" goes back to the clay from which Adam was created. Hence, his mate (Eve) was created (also) from it (clay).

Allamah Hussein Tabatabai threw out the idea of Eve being created from Adam's rib and affirm his argument by an hadith of Imam Muhammad Ibn Ali ibn Hussein Ibn Ali Ibn Abi Talib, al-Baqir (as) which clearly stated that Eve was created from the remainder of the very clay that Adam was created from.

That the "it" goes back to clay is far fetched in my own opinion, it defeats the idea that the verse initially claimed which is "...who created you (all) from one nafs" And if Allah (SWT) had created Eve from the clay, then it would have been explicitly stated, of course Allah (SWT) can create her from clay too, but if we can't find substantive evidence(s), then it is just mere speculations....

sino:


@Bold, you need not state this, or did you have any evidence to back up your claim?!

Secondly, I would appreciate if you can quote Ar-Razi's argument (above in red) with reference, I seem not to find it!

al-Razi's submissions are more accurate and in detailed here (than my presentation of his submission):

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?bk_no=132&ID=477&idfrom=1620&idto=1625&bookid=132&startno=2

sino:

That the "it" goes back to clay is far fetched in my own opinion, it defeats the idea that the verse initially claimed which is "...who created you (all) from one nafs" And if Allah (SWT) had created Eve from the clay, then it would have been explicitly stated, of course Allah (SWT) can create her from clay too, but if we can't find substantive evidence(s), then it is just mere speculations....

# Same Quran in sura al-Hujurat says, "O mankind! We created you from a male and a female..."

So, the discussion is not really about "children of Adam", but Eve herself.

# Whichever way we try to interpret the verse "... and its mate from it" does not suggest either from "rib or clay". And don't forget the pronoun particle "it (haa)" makes it difficult to take it back to Adam i.e saying "...its mate from it (Adam)". Obviously, Adam was not " it". The submission of "being created from rib" using the abovementioned hadith does not work for reason stated earlier.

AlBaqir:


al-Razi's submissions are more accurate and in detailed here (than my presentation of his submission):

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?bk_no=132&ID=477&idfrom=1620&idto=1625&bookid=132&startno=2

Okay, I think you had misrepresented Ar-Razi's submissions, also I see that Ar-Razi likes talking about "issues" with regards to verses of the Qur'an, hence stating different opinions, which I believe may not be what he himself agrees with.

AlBaqir:

# Same Quran in sura al-Hujurat says, "O mankind! We created you from a male and a female..."

Even the verse in question states this fact too

AlBaqir:

So, the discussion is not really about "children of Adam", but Eve herself.

# Whichever way we try to interpret the verse "... and its mate from it" does not suggest either from "rib or clay". And don't forget the pronoun particle "it (haa)" makes it difficult to take it back to Adam i.e saying "...its mate from it (Adam)". Obviously, Adam was not " it". The submission of "being created from rib" using the abovementioned hadith does not work for reason stated earlier.

Of course I agree the issue is the creation of Eve, and thank you, the verse didn't mention the how, whether rib or clay, so it is really not important!

Ar-Razi did mention that the "ha" was indeed referring to the "nafs" which is agreed upon to be Adam, being in the feminine form is due to the word "nafs" which is feminine, and he went ahead to quote a verse of the Qur'an and a poet to support the usage as such.

Those who hold the position of the rib do have a point, even if there is a possibility that the narration is figurative, at least, there is a narration that supports their stand. One of the argument of Ar-Razi in response to the rib story was that, what was the possible advantage creating Eve from the rib when it is established that Allah (SWT) is capable of creating man from clay...My own response to this would be; the hadith(s) indicates the probable wisdom (advantage) behind this, and would it have been impossible for Allah (SWT) to have created Eve from Adam's rib?!

All in all, it is just the opinions of scholars based on the evidences available and considered worthy, Allah (SWT) wouldn't ask us how Eve was created whether from rib or clay on the last day!

sino:


All in all, it is just the opinions of scholars based on the evidences available and considered worthy, Allah (SWT) wouldn't ask us how Eve was created whether from rib or clay on the last day!

# Really that's the summary of it all.

What a thread this is. I wish I were part of of the discussion when it was very much active. What an interesting read this has been. Wow!!!

First off, I'm no scholar and my opinion.... ain't binding on nobody. Thus, shouldn't sway anyone's inclinations . And if were a tenth as knowledgeable as any of these great minds, I'd be the happiest man alive, probably.

I had never until now heard of "ruhaniyah". On the one hand, it is a bit surprising as I grew up among suffi(mostly qadiriyah). On the other hand it's not as I'm no scholar. So, even though I don't believe there's anything like such entities because the holy prophet never mentioned them, I'm gonna leave it open, and enquire about them from some Alfa.

What I, however, find problematic is claiming the surat Yasin is so much powerful—of which I have got no doubt— that when recited too many times as a prayer can kill innocent people, suck animals blood if such animal is not big enough to take the edge of the devastating and destructive power of the glorious surat.

This belief or idea of the power of Allah's word is not only "satanically demonic and demonically satanic" but also blasphemous. From my not so vivid experience, these people usually recite other things apart from Yasin during such organised prayer. This belief and others that the suffi profess were the precursors of my doubts in the Deen when I was younger. The never fascinated me but only portray the Holy Quran as evil.

This is one of the reasons babalawos liken their practice to Islam. And it's no surprise most suffi scholars, both young and old, are alawo. I know this because I among them in Agege—it is the heart of suffism in Lagos—and Markaz is their shrine. Alhaji Adam (may Allah forgive him) would be rolling in his grave for what they have turned the once respected center of learning into. Their students scarcely finish their studies when they start looking for "iwe account" from babalawos.

Attributing spirituality and ability to see non-corporeal entities and attributing such ability to spirituality, and attributing the whole shebang to suffism only show how naive and delusional some suffi guys can be.

Stay with the teachings of Al-quran and Sunnah, and you're guaranteed to be lead on the straight path. Stay with suffi (except there is a pure form of it) and you will be lead astray, even if is going to be against your will. Nuff said

May Allah(SWT) guide us aright.

aadoiza:




What I, however, find problematic is claiming the surat Yasin is so much powerful—of which I have got no doubt— that when recited too many times as a prayer can kill innocent people, suck animals blood if such animal is not big enough to take the edge of the devastating and destructive power of the glorious surat.

This belief or idea of the power of Allah's word is not only "satanically demonic and demonically satanic" but also blasphemous. From my not so vivid experience, these people usually recite other things apart from Yasin during such organised prayer. This belief and others that the suffi profess were the precursors of my doubts in the Deen when I was younger. The never fascinated me but only portray the Holy Quran as evil.

Lol, you all just have problem with WORDS. You can as well say this is satanic?


"If We had sent down this Qur'an upon a mountain, you would have seen it humbled and coming apart from fear of Allah. And these examples We present to the people that perhaps they will give thought". Q59:21



If Allah said that, you think you know better than Him?

If making du'a has effects, if cursing someone has effects, why do you think Qur'an the Final and most powerful testament can't?. Go read hadith, you will see stuff there bro. Besides, you can do a little experiment next time you tilawat Quran, kindly place Quran on your laps when you read for 30 minutes to an hour. Then tell us how you feel. LOL


This tbaba's thread is the best random thread ever (in my opinion). People can't resist it. LOL

Empiree:
Lol, you all just have problem with WORDS. You can as well say this is satanic?


"If We had sent down this Qur'an upon a mountain, you would have seen it humbled and coming apart from fear of Allah. And these examples We present to the people that perhaps they will give thought". Q59:21



If Allah said that, you think you know better than Him?

If making du'a has effects, if cursing someone has effects, why do you think Qur'an the Final and most powerful testament can't?. Go read hadith, you will see stuff there bro. Besides, you can do a little experiment next time you tilawat Quran, kindly place Quran on your laps when you read for 30 minutes to an hour. Then tell us how you feel. LOL


This tbaba's thread is the best random thread ever (in my opinion). People can't resist it. LOL

You organise a prayer session for the betterment of someone's life using the holy Quran, but rather than the Quran having the desired effects it, instead, develops some sorta vampiristic tendencies and goes on a murderous rage consequently sucking the blood of whatever/whoever is in its path and killing them. This has got to be the highest form of devilry and satanism on show . Can you believe that?

This kind of evil is quite common in our society (I know this because I stay with alawos), I'm not doubtful of it, however, ascribing such darkness to the glorious book of Allah(SWT) is beyond sanity. I'm not disputing the mystical powers of the Holy Quran for goodness, and dealing with the wicked souls, because I've see it, but what people of your creed will never be able to do is convincing any right-thinking Muslim that if certain surats are recited too many a time, they go on a killing spree of innocent people around. Haba!!!

I have seen where someone made a dua'h (surat quraysh ), and its positive effects became pronounced instantaneously not only on him but others around him, Muslims and non Muslims alike numbering close to seventy. This is what I know that the Quran does oooo. Not killing the innocent

So please stop all these go and do this, do that, experiment, and what not. I know what Allah did for me a few years back thru the power of Yasin.

Judging by the supposedly murderous and macabre nature of the of the Quran that you'd have us believe, any one muslim shouldn't find surprising Christians' claims of the Quran being inspired by the devil(audhubillah) , and a black magic book.

Make una Open una eyesoooo.... Black magic show is being disguised as the power of the Quran. No be today e just dey happen oo, e don teeeeey. If you nor know you nor know.

aadoiza:

I'm not disputing the mystical powers of the Holy Quran for goodness, and dealing with the wicked souls, because I've see it, but what people of your creed will never be able to do is convincing any right-thinking Muslim that if certain surats are recited too many a time, they go on a killing spree of innocent people around. Haba!!!

I have seen where someone made a dua'h (surat quraysh ), and its [b]positive effects became pronounced instantaneously[/b] not only on him but others around him, Muslims and non Muslims alike numbering close to seventy. This is what I know that the Quran does oooo. Not killing the innocent

No argument here bro. You have already answered yourself. So what is it to talk about?. You have confirmed mystical power of Quran which many deny. So why are you still arguing?. If you believe Quran can not be used to deal with transgressors as well, that's your opinion.

Besides, you didnt respond to this ayah Q59:21.

Empiree:
No argument here bro. You have already answered yourself. So what is it to talk about?. You have confirmed mystical power of Quran which many deny. So why are you still arguing?.If you believe Quran can not be used to deal with transgressors as well, that's your opinion.

Besides, you didnt respond to this ayah Q59:21.

At the emboldened: I don't know how you come by such implication. As I know it was implicitly stated in my previous post that Quran can be used to deal with wicked souls. Even Albaqir cited how a relative of his used ayatul kursiyu to electrocute(or something) a woman came to their living room with evil intentions.

And to the best of knowledge no one on this thread has expressed doubts as regards the potent power of the Holy Quran. What some of us, however, disturbing, or problematic—as sissie puts it, is the claim that if recited a certain number of times and animal is not made, yasin(or any surah for that matter) will act up i.e deviating from the intention upon which it was read, and possibly go on and kill innocent babies, livestock around.

The ayah is an allegory. It means if mountains were sentient and rational creations, they'd tremble and be humbled, before the Almighty Allah. But man with his senses could only demonstrate senselessness or thoughtlessness or care less.

aadoiza:



At the emboldened: I don't know how you come by such implication. As I know it was implicitly stated in my previous post that Quran can be used to deal with wicked souls. Even Albaqir cited how a relative of his used ayatul kursiyu to electrocute(or something) a woman came to their living room with evil intentions.

And to the best of knowledge no one on this thread has expressed doubts as regards the potent power of the Holy Quran. What some of us, however, disturbing, or problematic—as sissie puts it, is the claim that if recited a certain number of times and animal is not made, yasin(or any surah for that matter) will act up i.e deviating from the intention upon which it was read, and possibly go on and kill innocent babies, livestock around.

The ayah is an allegory. It means if mountains were sentient and rational creations, they'd tremble and be humbled, before the Almighty Allah. But man with his senses could only demonstrate senselessness or thoughtlessness or care less.

So now the ayah is allegorical I thought people like you dont believe in tawil. Anyways, anything else you said is your opinion.

You have comprehension problem. Reciting some Sura like Yasin and their effects on souroundings doesn't denotes evil. It rather signifies it mystical force.

For example if you take certain oral medication like ibrufopen, it does its job but it also capable of damaging your kidneys if you take it regularly. If that happens what do you do?. You go to emergency for remedy/operation/surgery. Same applies here. This is why they slaughter ram, sheep cow etc to remedy this side effect. We can go on and on about this. Ain't got time for argument.


You gotta be practical buddy. Yoruba people say "iroyin ko to amojuba". I hope my yoruba is right. I am a living witness to this in the 90s.