Niggas on the block selling dope , church is slanging hope.

Ayoswit:
K, if it works for you, then pay, but nobody should make u give out ten percent of your hard earned money with threat of not making heaven, it isn't biblical anyway. D Bible says that except a man is born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, God is only interested in your salvation and not your tithe.

Please Tell Them

Cromcruach91:


Because most mission schools were not universites, and because funding a university is different from funding a secondary school.University salaries for lecturers are far higher than teachers in pry and sec schools.

One other thing...most Nigerian chruches set up by missions were expected to eventually become self funding. And that would have eventually meant increased fees, etc (which did not happen because govt took over most of them in the 1970's).

Plus these schools were for the most part selective....very selective re admission. The concept of every Nigerian kid going to school did not really take off till the 1970's (UPE).

Tithes, in my opinion (and in the abscence of available data on church finances)...cannot sponsor/subsidize educaiton at all. To do that...you would have to be colecting tithes in excess of N1 trillion per annum (all prosperity churches combined) AND I doubt they reach that much...and you would have to spend it all on universites...forget all the other branches of the church.

Universites are severely serious cash drains.

Except that some of these churches also have Secondary and Primary schools well beyond the reach of average Nigerians.

So what is your point?

Churches Going Beyond Tithe Now, Even Asking For The First Fruit( January Salary)

zabuur:
The good thing about this tithing is that, the argument is just amongst the Christians only. This is what happens when u claim u have your Bible but, with different versions. Simply put, no unity,. They call themselves Christians but, their ways to Christ really differ and disturbing

Not everybody that carries Bible is a christian. You are a christian only when you have receive the Spirit of Jesus through your faith in Jesus.

Someone who has the Holy Ghost cannot teach Heaven through perishable things like money{ Tithe }.

Ayoswit:
K, if it works for you, then pay, but nobody should make u give out ten percent of your hard earned money with threat of not making heaven, it isn't biblical anyway. D Bible says that except a man is born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, God is only interested in your salvation and not your tithe.

how does it work for you? How do you make profit when you give money to your religious leader? How come the majority of the members of the tithe paying and prosperity preaching churches are still very poor after years of tithing?

shortgun:
If want to pay tithes pay.. If you don't want to pay tithes don't pay and don't disturb people that do.

As long as tithe collecting pastors keep disturbing people who don't pay tithe to start paying, it is only fair for us to educate the tithe payers on why tithing is not good for them.

BushWickBill:


Except that some of these churches also have Secondary and Primary schools well beyond the reach of average Nigerians.

So what is your point?

Education is expensive.

I focused on universities because that is where the argument happens.

But once you are running a private school, fees are going to be high.you have to pay teachers, overhead, buy equipment etc from the fees. No government support.

I went to a private, non religious primary school. Fees were very high, because the school paid teachers, provided exercise and textbooks and other materials, even gave us desks out of that money .(And no, my parents were not rich, plus it was back in the 1980's when economic situations was worse).

Govt schools pay low fees.See how badly equipped they are.and there is corruption on top matter

Cromcruach91:


If fees were not high in church schools like covenant u, Redeemer's, Babcock, etc it would be very difficult to pay salaries, build new facilities, expand, etc.

Also, all those old mission schools were subsidised by Tithes of foreign church members and voluntary donations.and they were not free.

And yes, I am no fan of prosperity gospel. Funding education however is a whole new discussion

If you set up a school, someone has to pay for it.and since most church schools are not sponsored by government, it has to be fees.

Modified...The fact that i support high fees in public and private schools does not mean that I think that Pastor and Father in the Lord is good to drive big car and big plane.High fees is basically how staff get money to be paid their salaries, and so on. It is the sad fact that education is expensive.

The question is, did they told the members how high the fees will be when they were collecting the donations for these schools. You should see the disappointment on the face of kids and parents who thought their wards will go to such schools when they heard the amount for school fees on completion.
This was the first time I questioned motive in my then church, it looks like obtaining by trick. Pastors emphasis they are building the schools so member's wards can get quality education with moral integrity and fear of God. Why not let them know how expensive it will be then, so the rich members who can afford it can contribute for it.
Why even go into such venture when you know the running cost will make the fees high and a good percentage of those contributing won't afford it, why even venture into something that can cause contention and division.
Am afraid, the issue of these high school fees has the potential to cause serious contention for most of these churches in the future.
Except maybe they start giving scholarship to every member that makes a particular mark or allocate subsidized quota to each branch.

WebsiteReview:


The question is, did they told the members how high the fees will be when they were collecting the donations for these schools. You should see the disappointment on the face of kids and parents who thought their wards will go to such schools when they heard the amount for school fees when the schools were completed.
This was the first time I questioned motive in my then church, it looks like obtaining by trick. Pastors emphasis they are building the schools so member's wards can get quality education with moral integrity and fear of God. Why not let them know how expensive it will be then, so the rich members who can afford it can contribute for it.
Why even go into such venture when you know the running cost will make the fees high and a good percentage of those contributing won't afford it, why even venture into something that can cause contention and division.
Am afraid, the issue of these high school fees has the potential to cause serious contention for most of these churches in the future.
Except maybe they start giving scholarship to every member that makes a particular mark or allocate subsidized quota to each branch.

So the Church should get out of the school businesses.

Which is good, but then that leads to more unemployed people.

That is why church members and CAN should step up.

leye4u:

One of the things my English teacher taught me while growing was "AS POOR AS A CHURCH RAT" and everyone was happy about it.
Now the Church has come to maturity and poverty can no longer be used to describe the church, the prosperity seen so far is just a tip of the iceberg, a time is coming when the churches who be far richer than the governments of the world.
Tithing is not a Nigerian thing ,it is a connection to a higher covenant.
No devil,media or freezer can ever stop me and my generation from tithing.... We would tithe all that we have because God gave us all in the first place.

As poor as a church rat was used to indicate that there was no food for a RAT in church as they exists very little dirts or food items the rat will feed on in the church compared to people's homes.The modern tithing though was actually magnified by American prosperity preachers Nigeria now has amongst the highest countries where such is practised today in the world.BTW the goal of the church is not to become richer than governments.That is exactly the problem with prosperity preaching !! It makes you reason only about money leaving the pursuit of salvation which should be the main thrust of the church.

To your last point better face the fact.We are seeing the last days of the tithing scam in Nigeria.People are beginning to get enlightened almost everyone now knows about Deut 14;22-29 as opposed to Malachi pastors has used to instill fear in people in the past.The game is over!!!

Hallabee1:
Churches Going Beyond Tithe Now, Even Asking For The First Fruit( January Salary)

The whole thing?

And people pay?

Lol.

mmsen:


The whole thing?

And people pay?

Lol.

are you just hearing this for the first time? The first time I did I cringed at the gravity of man's inhumanity to his fellow man!!! That is absolute wickedness of the highest order

PaChukwudi44:


are you just hearing this for the first time? The first time I did I cringed at the gravity of man's inhumanity to his fellow man!!! That is absolute wickedness of the highest order

I don't deal with churches.

I didn't realize it was the whole thing, I thought "first fruit" was just a slightly larger amount than normal.

That's so tragic it's hilarious.

It's amazing how stupid people can be.

Cromcruach91:


1.I know about Edhi....(the late great pakistani philantrophist)...he certainly lived in poverty...because he used his money to help others. Our pastors could learn to do same.

2.At the same time, let's say that pastor X sells his private jet(which by the way, I THINK THEY SHOULD DO....) it would only privide some funding...for a few years.Especially when one has to expand the university's facilties.

Keep in mind that running costs in Nigerian unviersites are higher than anywhere else. They often times have to pay for their power, their water, etc...because we don't have good supporting infrastructure.

The bolded is a very big fat lie.

Who really benefits from BBC and CNN fake news. I have been waiting to see news about killings in benue, taraba and co on ur news networks but can't find them and can vividly remember that during Jonathan's regime, u were carrying news about most killings in Nigeria. Are u guys paid to give a blind eye to the ethnic wiping currently going on in those states? The question is who really is benefiting from ur fake news?

AprilSmallWoman:
How did we get to this point? we've become a subject of discussion and ridicule to the outside world. it hurts to see this.
Go get your PVC ready people..help save the generations yet to come.

no oh ... they must come and witness how e dey go for us in this country too.

what will you do? If you try to radicalize change alone the powers that be will shut you down ... permanently

a man came along not long ago and was making wahala about how the country was in need of a rebirth and what happened? some people sent by politicians visited him and till this moment he has varnished without a trace

where is the restructuring we talked about back then? even the same politicians were talking about it at that time but today amnesia was taken over all our brains

like this now the future generations you want to protect are already fixing to blame you and me for what we are allowing these politicians do to this country

and they are right to blame all of us

chibjohn:

The bolded is a very big fat lie.

I may have overstated, but for example, ABU has overhead costs of 50 million monthly. It won't have had that if power and water supply were working

Cromcruach91:


So the Church should get out of the school businesses.

Which is good, but then that leads to more unemployed people.

That is why church members and CAN should step up.

If the Church wants to charge commercial rate for any business that it is into, the church is free to do so provided the capital and the labour used in setting up the business was sourced commercially, and not from members goodwill.

mmsen:


If xtians sought truth they wouldn't be xtians.

Truth can be verified by way of evidence. Xtianity has none.

Please don't quote me if you are not a believer in Christ Jesus.

PaChukwudi44:


As poor as a church rat was used to indicate that there was no food for a RAT in church as they exists very little dirts or food items the rat will feed on in the church compared to people's homes.The modern tithing though was actually magnified by American prosperity preachers Nigeria now has amongst the highest countries where such is practised today in the world.BTW the goal of the church is not to become richer than governments.That is exactly the problem with prosperity preaching !! It makes you reason only about money leaving the pursuit of salvation which should be the main thrust of the church.

To your last point better face the fact.We are seeing the last days of the tithing scam in Nigeria.People are beginning to get enlightened almost everyone now knows about Deut 14;22-29 as opposed to Malachi pastors has used to instill fear in people in the past.The game is over!!!

How does the Deut 14 :22 - 29 oppose the malachi version.
They compliment each other

Proudlyngwa:


How does the Deut 14 :22 - 29 oppose the malachi version.
They compliment each other

Deuterenomy actually explains the tithe better.ro Deuterenomy we understand the following

1.Tithe was never money
2.Tithe was never paid monthly
3.Widows,orphans,starngers and levites were also required to benefit from tithe
4.The tither and his family were also required to eat of the tithe

More shaming for fake mogs

Cromcruach91:


Education is expensive.

I focused on universities because that is where the argument happens.

But once you are running a private school, fees are going to be high.you have to pay teachers, overhead, buy equipment etc from the fees. No government support.

I went to a private, non religious primary school. Fees were very high, because the school paid teachers, provided exercise and textbooks and other materials, even gave us desks out of that money .(And no, my parents were not rich, plus it was back in the 1980's when economic situations was worse).

Govt schools pay low fees.See how badly equipped they are.and there is corruption on top matter

you still have not answered my question.

Please go back and answer why those primary and secondary schools owned by these churches are out of reach for even middle class families, and why the ones belonging to the missionaries were subsidized by the missionaries when they came to the point that it was affordable even to the poor.

I don't need to read all this mumbo jumbo.

You gave the impression that Primary and secondary schools owned by missionaries were cheap because they were subsidized by the churches. So if that is the case, explain why Christ the Redeemer's Primary School and Redeemers High School for instance have high fees

Please don't shift the goalposts on this one.

PaChukwudi44:


Deuterenomy actually explains the tithe better.ro Deuterenomy we understand the following

1.Tithe was never money
2.Tithe was never paid monthly
3.Widows,orphans,starngers and levites were also required to benefit from tithe
4.The tither and his family were also required to eat of the tithe

GBAM!

PaChukwudi44:


Deuterenomy actually explains the tithe better.ro Deuterenomy we understand the following

1.Tithe was never money
2.Tithe was never paid monthly
3.Widows,orphans,starngers and levites were also required to benefit from tithe
4.The tither and his family were also required to eat of the tithe

Those days most people, were majorly farmers, fishermen and animal rearers.
It also gave an allowance for the proceeds to be converted to silver, which was the legal tender then.


The two scriptures point at one thing, which is take care of workers in the vineyard.

BushWickBill:


you still have not answered my question.

Please go back and answer why those primary and secondary schools owned by these churches are out of reach for even middle class families, and why the ones belonging to the missionaries were subsidized by the missionaries when they came to the point that it was affordable even to the poor.

I don't need to read all this mumbo jumbo.

You gave the impression that Primary and secondary schools owned by missionaries were cheap because they were subsidized by the churches. So if that is the case, explain why Christ the Redeemer's Primary School and Redeemers High School for instance have high fees

Please don't shift the goalposts on this one.

1.i shifted no goalposts...

2.Missionaries did a lot of fundrasing...that was what they did when on leave. And a lot of money came from outside the church (donations, philantrophists bringing in cash).

(As an example, a certain American christian missionary established a series of printing presses across the world...including two here in Nigeria ..to print christian materials. He raised money from a variety of sources...including very wealthy philnatrophists. And no, he did not promise that they would be blessed with two fold blessing if they donated to his ministry, and he was not rich when he died)

3.The Church schools in Nigeria have high fees because they have to pay their teachers salaries. And they have to buy stuff for the school. And they have to keep on spending cash on upgrading the facilities, etc....AND they have to pay pastors, missionaries, church workers, and other workers in their varied church buisnesses...and they have to keep a reserve of cash for bad times.

That is where I think that rich christians, CAN etc should come in. Or maybe teachers too should take salary cuts...and pastor too should stop spending money on big jets and house.

(Note that our public schools are in a worse state because 1) we pay cheap fees, 2) we don't have enough money to spend on them)


PS: By the way, I don't support the rich lifestyles of many MOG's. My support for high fees is based on realisim....and yes, I don't like the idea...but either you charge high fees...or you clsoe schools with attendant job losses, take heavy loans...and people will suffer anyway.

Proudlyngwa:


Those days most people, were majorly farmers, fishermen and animal rearers.
It also gave an allowance for the proceeds to be converted to silver, which was the legal tender then.


The two scriptures point at one thing, which is take care of workers in the vineyard.

That the tithers should also eat from their tithes

They have been blindfolded by foolishness and real greed to get rich.

ajbabs:

That the tithers should also eat from their tithes

Who is stopping the tithers from eating from their tithe.

It's quite true that so called Christian Religious Institutions have abused and misused tithing.
Does not mean we should twist what tithing is.

Bring a fraction of your sweat, be it monthly or annually pending on when you got it to my house, so that those who work in my vineyard shall eat.

Proudlyngwa:


Those days most people, were majorly farmers, fishermen and animal rearers.
It also gave an allowance for the proceeds to be converted to silver, which was the legal tender then.


The two scriptures point at one thing, which is take care of workers in the vineyard.

not everyone were farmers or cattle rearers yet tithes were never paid with money.Silver was never used.Now read the deut passage again this time slowly

22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands