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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:34am On Apr 20, 2018 |
Danielnino00: No they are few and far between and that's an understatement! According to one of them on Quora. White people cannot survive in Nigeria https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-white-people-in-Nigeria |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 6:24am On Apr 20, 2018 |
rvp2017: On point! |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 10:14am On Apr 20, 2018 |
samsobo24: Even this guys hide under Tinubu's empire, the ruling elite in Lagos use the Lebanese Nigerians to hide their wealth, company like hitec is actually owned by Tinubu |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 10:20am On Apr 20, 2018 |
TayserMahiri:hahahaha...well if you say they cant survive,, yes the wont, cause we wont allow them, unlike Kenyans we Nigerians don't give a damn about any white,Indians,Lebanese...we do respect them those and if they are genuine Nigerians then we wont have problem with them, we believe they dont have two heads rather same as we, and any white,Indians,Lebanese... that makes it big in Nigeria does that as a result of the fact that politician use him/her to hide their wealth.... |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 10:26am On Apr 20, 2018 |
TayserMahiri: i read the articlues and i couldnt find a place that says the cant survive ....this are some of the qoautation "If you classify the Lebanese as white, yes, many of them carry Nigerian passport. The chief of them are the Chagouris who have lived 2 or 3 generations in Nigeria and might have more rights than indigenous Nigerians." "Many, Europeans, Asians , Americans, Latino, All Continental race is in Nigeria. They are free and they do whatever they like freely. As far as they are not criminal." so where did u get your this statement "White people cannot survive in Nigeria " from? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 10:51am On Apr 20, 2018 |
EKO CITY -It’s the brainchild of the Chagoury brothers, two Nigerian-born billionaires of Lebanese descent who own South Energyx Nigeria Ltd, a real estate development company created to build out Eko Atlanti 68816419: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 11:00am On Apr 20, 2018 |
Who said we give a damn - we have whites and asians - and arabs (since 10th century) who call Kenya home - and cannot imagine living elsewhere - those enjoy the same rights as anybody. We welcome everyone - whites,nigerians, asians - to come visit/invest/trade or as refugees!!- in fact this year we decide all AFRICANS are welcomed to Kenya without the need of visa - they come and they get visa on arrival - and we don't expect any reciprocity.As for Rwanda and Ugandans - they are free to come and start working any day. https://qz.com/1140737/kenya-has-scrapped-visa-rules-for-other-african-countries/ 68816419: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 11:05am On Apr 20, 2018 |
While Kenya lead in the share of it's intra-africa trade (48-50%) and recently sign up to Africa free trade pact - Nigeria the GIANT refused to sign up - and admitted it cannot compete in Africa. Here is a giant who is afraid to mix with the big boys of Africa's manufacturing ( Egypt, South Africa,Morroco and Kenya) https://guardian.ng/features/justifying-nigerias-inelegant-refusal-to-sign-the-africa-trade-deal/ 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 11:06am On Apr 20, 2018 |
rvp2017:My question to u is that , Do you think west Africans give a damn a bout Kenya? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 11:11am On Apr 20, 2018 |
Of course - unless West Africans are stupid - we are living in era of globalisations - and you should be looking to invest or visit kenya - as we look to expand our business & trade to Nigeria. Yeah kenyans are ashamedly outwardly and worldly - thanks to our quality education. Dangote & your banks are looking at Kenya - as our dairy industry & tech firms are also looking to west Africa. 68816419: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Daejoyoung: 11:15am On Apr 20, 2018 |
rvp2017: l also got this from your article... But when all is considered, I will still think that PMB made the right decision not to attend. Firstly, it was an acknowledgment that though he had failed to consult with the organized private sector prior to getting the FEC’s approval, he regarded the red flag raised by the Manufacturers Association of Nigeria (MAN) especially and the Nigeria Labour Congress (NLC) serious enough. Despite the embarrassment and the apparent slur on Nigeria’s image and standing by being absent in Kigali as Africa made true history, I salute his courage in deciding to err on the side of caution. It is my thinking that he was showing that Nigeria had learnt lessons from the WTO debacle in 1994. The Nigerian government at the time was criticized severely for rushing to sign the WTO agreements without fully understanding the ramifications of globalisation. Buhari seemed not to want a repeat, where we would sign this African Trade deal as good as it sounds without a full understanding of its ramifications on local manufacturing and domestic security. Secondly, critical issues raised by MAN truly require full answers. The area of major concern is how are we going to enforce the rules of Origin? The inconvenient truth is that except for a few countries – Egypt, Morocco, Kenya, Nigeria and South Africa, there is little real, manufacturing going on in much of Africa. Primary commodities yes, but not manufacturing. Today Nigeria perhaps has the largest manufacturing base outside South Africa. In normal circumstances that should give Nigeria an advantage as it could easily seize the new open market opportunities to dominate the African market in manufactured goods. But experience from the ECOWAS Common External tariff (CET) for example, seem to dampen the enthusiasm of Nigerian manufacturers. It has been alleged that foreign companies set up ‘shell ‘ manufacturing companies in neighburing African countries and simply import finished or almost-finished products into such countries and subsequently off load them on the Nigerian market, often at lower prices than local manufacture. Matter is worsened for Nigerian manufacturers because much of their products are globally uncompetitive due to infrastructural deficits, especially power and the overall high cost of doing business. Thus Nigerian manufacturers suffer double jeopardy. They cannot easily export to other African Countries because those countries have easy access to cheaper imports from Asia and Latin America especially. And then in the domestic market, the free import of what one may call pseudo- manufactured goods or what really are trans-shipped finished goods using African Countries as ‘transit camps’ compromise the viability of the locally manufactured goods. That is the fear of the local manufacturers. It is this reality that has made the growth of the export of Nigeria’s manufactured goods to remain dismal and indeed has forced many Nigerian manufacturers to focus almost exclusively on the domestic market. This is the reason crude petroleum has remained the major export and foreign exchange earning item on the Nigeria’s economic menu. But having said all these, I still believe that in the long run it is imperative that Nigeria signs the treaty and joins the Continental Free Trade area (CFTA). 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 11:23am On Apr 20, 2018 |
In short - you cannot compete - in Africa - because you have Africa's worst power & infrastructure - and the ECOWAS excuse is lame - because that is easy to resolve - the % of local content can be decided and agreed upon. And the claim that Nigeria has big manufacturing outside South Africa - is hollow. When did Egypt die? And where are those Nigerian products - while Shoprite in Nigeria is importing nearly everything. Kenya we belong to COMESA plus EAC...and we have south africans and egypt...compete with us. Daejoyoung: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by nwoke37: 2:34pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
rvp2017: South Africa hasn't signed up yet... |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 3:07pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
Not true - Ramaphosa signed. The so called African giant is afraid of what is being billed as the largest trade agreement after WTO. Please Nigeria wake up from your slumber and self-delusion - and smell the coffee!! What are you afraid of? Benin? Or Togo? Or Ghana or the real big boys like Egypt, South Africa, Kenya and Morroco..you know you fake GDP will be exposed. https://www.fin24.com/Economy/sa-signs-african-free-trade-agreement-20180321 nwoke37: 3 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by owbabs: 4:20pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
There is a reason why US did not sign up/renegotiating NAFTA |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 4:34pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
rvp2017: Nigeria's fear of the African Free Trade area reminds me of Tanzania and its fear of having to compete with Kenya in the EAC They should be We'll be there in a flash selling them our fresh food, manufactured goods, petroleum products |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 4:35pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
rvp2017: All true! Here's the latest on his Tz misadventures: Africa’s richest man Aliko Dangote has shut down his cement plant in Tanzania due to high energy costs and a technical glitch at the $500 million factory, according to a government source, who confirmed reports in Tanzanian media.[urlhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2016/12/02/africas-richest-man-faces-challenges-in-tanzania-shuts-down-cement-plant/#6f5b13b6bbc7][/url] Researching the story one sees Dangote expected certain conditions Naij obviously led him to believe were a right! Look. Mr Mwijage was reacting to an article published by Financial Times quoting Mr Dangote, a major investor in Tanzania, as saying the government has pursued policies that seek to "seize a majority share of assets." "They have scared quite a lot of investors and scaring investors is not a good thing to do," Mr Dangote was quoted as saying, while speaking at the Financial Times Africa Summit in London yesterday. He specifically mentioned a "backdoor plan" by the government to take up to 16 per cent of investor assets for free through what he described. But Mr Mwijage clarified that free carried interests were a requirement for companies operating in the extractive industry that had existed in Tanzanian laws even before a recent review of laws.http://allafrica.com/stories/201710100124.html This is a guy who made billions with rentiers and when he can't find any he cries foul! Btw,Magufuli isn't one to fvck with-ask Kenyans ,we know. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 4:41pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
rvp2017: Not true! MANY PEOPLE repeat this: I know of a Kihingu with massive DRC mineral holdings and tobacco in SA valued at 1.5 bn + in 2011 thereabouts. The Ndegwa family are minimum 1.5 bn$ also. Mwangi Equity is worth wayyyyy more since he secretly owns much stock via nominees and fronts. I personally know of 2 other Kyukes in this category active in flowers and tourism I'd rather not name. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Daejoyoung: 5:08pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
Muafrika2:The fear is not simply because Nigeria should be compared with Tanzania and Kenya, of course Kenya is too small for Nigeria to be worried about her like Tanzania seemed to have been worried. There are other major concerns which are internal and has to do with the large market, and given that our level of infrastructure do not allow us compete with South Africa in Manufacturing in terms of diversification of our exports. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 5:17pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
Daejoyoung: Actually, its Dangote and company who had those concerns ... And that's the disadvantage of having individuals monopolizing the countries businesses... They will be facing real giants in the manufacturing sector. The fear is understandable actually... 1 Like
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Daejoyoung: 5:30pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
Muafrika2:You have been told Dangote is the most well known but not the only capitalist in Nigeria. All you guys talk about is Dangote. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 5:56pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
Our president did not sign because we have no industries left, most of the industries have parked out to other countries example in 1980 japan had 380 industries in nigeria today it is less than 6 industries. Most nigerians invest in other countries billions of us dollar. Our president cannot sign a deal for something we do not have . Over 80% of goods in nigeria are imported so what is he going to sign imported products example palm oil, rice and gary are smuggled into nigeria from benin republic. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 6:09pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
68816419: They cant survive and the few who do live there under incredible inducements and duress from overseas companies. And they look gloomy with freckles because of intense solar, steam and vehicle plumes in your hellish cities. "If you classify the Lebanese as white, yes, many of them carry Nigerian passport. The chief of them are the Chagouris who have lived 2 or 3 generations in Nigeria and might have more rights than indigenous Nigerians." We dont classify Asians like Lebanese as white people in Kenya. That word refers primarily to people of European descent. I know you classify bleached Nigerians like Bob risky as white too "Many, Europeans, Asians , Americans, Latino, All Continental race is in Nigeria. They are free and they do whatever they like freely. As far as they are not criminal." What an Irony! Criminal Nigerians saying 'as far as they are not criminal'. so where did u get your this statement "White people cannot survive in Nigeria " from? Because Nigeria is hostile to human survival 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 6:24pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Daejoyoung: 6:26pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
sufferNsmiling:Read this from the guardian again to see why we did not sign and not the trash you wrote from feelings and hearsay. [b]Secondly, critical issues raised by MAN truly require full answers. The area of major concern is how are we going to enforce the rules of Origin? The inconvenient truth is that except for a few countries – Egypt, Morocco, Kenya, Nigeria and South Africa, there is little real, manufacturing going on in much of Africa. Primary commodities yes, but not manufacturing. Today Nigeria perhaps has the largest manufacturing base outside South Africa. In normal circumstances that should give Nigeria an advantage as it could easily seize the new open market opportunities to dominate the African market in manufactured goods. But experience from the ECOWAS Common External tariff (CET) for example, seem to dampen the enthusiasm of Nigerian manufacturers. It has been alleged that foreign companies set up ‘shell ‘ manufacturing companies in neighburing African countries and simply import finished or almost-finished products into such countries and subsequently off load them on the Nigerian market, often at lower prices than local manufacture. Matter is worsened for Nigerian manufacturers because much of their products are globally uncompetitive due to infrastructural deficits, especially power and the overall high cost of doing business. Thus Nigerian manufacturers suffer double jeopardy. They cannot easily export to other African Countries because those countries have easy access to cheaper imports from Asia and Latin America especially. And then in the domestic market, the free import of what one may call pseudo- manufactured goods or what really are trans-shipped finished goods using African Countries as ‘transit camps’ compromise the viability of the locally manufactured goods. That is the fear of the local manufacturers. It is this reality that has made the growth of the export of Nigeria’s manufactured goods to remain dismal and indeed has forced many Nigerian manufacturers to focus almost exclusively on the domestic market. This is the reason crude petroleum has remained the major export and foreign exchange earning item on the Nigeria’s economic menu. But having said all these, I still believe that in the long run it is imperative that Nigeria signs the treaty and joins the Continental Free Trade area (CFTA)[/b] |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 6:29pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
rvp2017:South Africa did non sign. March 21, 2018 NAIROBI, Kenya — More than 40 African countries signed a free trade pact on Wednesday that the nations hope will fulfill a long-held dream of greater economic integration on the continent. But among the holdouts are two of Africa’s biggest economies, Nigeria and South Africa, raising concerns about whether the agreement can make good on its promises. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/world/africa/trade-nigeria-south-africa.html |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 6:34pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
Indeed Nigeria despite cooking their GDP knows they cannot compete. I mean it like TZ in EAC. Kenya is mixing up with Egypt in COMESA - and we try our best - because we know - even if you fear South Africa or Egypt..what will you do with China? India? developed world? Their products even if you impose taxes and all barriers will still be cheap.Nigeria simply has no serious manufacturing....that is why Dangote is running roughshold over them...and has made money by unfair practices that cannot be allowed in a modern country. As far as manufacturing goes...the big boys in Africa are undoubtedly South Africa, Egypt, Morroco and Kenya. Nigeria is struggling against Benin.Kenya products find it's way as far down as Zambia, west as Congo and north as Sudan...against strong competition from South Africa and Egypt. I really doubt Nigeria has value chain needed for manufacturing - they've huge disorganized consumer market with very little spending power to me. Their retail sector is undeveloped. Kenya is slowing catching up with South Africa in both fronts. 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 6:37pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
I am not surprised. Kenya in 10yrs will have South Africans really worried. TayserMahiri: 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 6:40pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
Precisely. This is the brutal honesty that Nigeria need to embrace and then start climbing out of their hole. GRAND DELUSION OF 500B GIANT OF AFRICA will not translate into qualify of life nigerians deserve to enjoy with all that Oil. If Nigeria was to improve by 1% every year - they would make all black people proud. You have OIL. It just need leadership. Not Army Generals BONOBOS. Goodluck kind of leadership. sufferNsmiling: 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 6:41pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
Sorry but I disagree. Our top politician are very very rich. I don't think you can begin to fathom what Mois or Kenyattas own. kikuyu1: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp2017: 6:47pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
On point. Only those who have to be in Nigeria - I mean Oil expats - find themselves there. It tough place to eke a living. Meanwhile in Kenya - the last 2 US ambassadors chose to stay in Kenya when their term ended. Life in kenya is that good!! TayserMahiri: |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 7:10pm On Apr 20, 2018 |
68816419:Kenyans have fallen to a new low. What will we not see on nairaland. They are now bragging with whites and Indians in Kenya. Deep down those foreigners know where they belong. The Indians since colonial days have owned much of Kenyan industry. You don't see them in the slums and for the whites, Froome is an example of a man who knows where he truly belongs to. They have whites, Asians, Arabs and what have you, and yet their economy is smaller than Lagos' economy. Yeye |
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