fratermathy:


Cc: Mires

Uniuyo operates on another level entirely. Never before have I seen a PG school that actively tries to keep students boxed in the system, even after they managed to escape their departments. It's true that many departments are also understaffed. The VC has not done any official employment since he came in.

After struggling to do external defence at UNIUYO, the PG school will start their issues with preliminary vetting by the secretary to the Dean and after her "wahala", there is the official first vetting which takes as long as 6months in some cases. After first vetting, there is a second vetting of similar lengths and only after that will the student be allowed to bind their works for final submission.

Just tell me which other school in Nigeria or even in the world at large does this.

Bro, I am not arguing with you. There are reasons to this. For instance, you can't expect Uniuyo to be as fast as some universities such as Ui, Unilag, Unilorin, OAU and the likes. The question should be why? You have pointed out inadequacy of teaching staff at Uniuyo. Of a truth, if Uniuyo decides to employ today, what you will see on advert will be high level manpower such as professor, reader, and senior lecturer. But in her closet, nepotism in employment of BSc holders even when she has qualified PhD holders will be the order of the day.

What's the consequence? Before an academic can supervise MSc Thesis, he/she must have attained L1 position. So why won't MSc be delayed in such schools where academics of L1 above will be made to supervise so many students? In Ui for instance, you will never see BSc given appointment as academic even if the person came out top in the world. And hardly will you see MSc as academic in the system except few departments like Theatre Arts. In fact, 97% of departments in Ui employ PhD holders into academic positions. Hence, few supervision for each academic from L1 to Prof.

And when it comes to external defence, the Prof that is coming from another school has little or no work to do given that he's convinced that the manpower at Ui are tested and worthy.

Let me shock you a little. The dreaded Prof Akpan Ekpo, a one time VC of Uniuyo was at Ui for PhD external defence. Considering the PhD supervisor of the student and the host institution, it was rather a ceremony for merriment.

Nasarawa State University

Mires:



This is not true. I have a colleague at MSc level who proceeded to Uniuyo for PhD. He spent three years on the dot. Those of us at Ui were like wow. I also have friends during MSc at Ui who were during MSc at Zoology and MCB. They both proceeded to Unical to do their PhD. To them, they can't do their PhD at Ui because of the insults PG students earned. They both spent three years in PhD. One of them has been absorbed by Unical as lecturer.

Would you recommend UI for M.Sc?

Nothing beats Babcock University Post Graduate Programmes.

Delta State University, Abraka.

missterious:


Would you recommend UI for M.Sc?

ui is administratively slow......two years minimum

Mires:


Bro, I am not arguing with you. There are reasons to this. For instance, you can't expect Uniuyo to be as fast as some universities such as Ui, Unilag, Unilorin, OAU and the likes. The question should be why? You have pointed out inadequacy of teaching staff at Uniuyo. Of a truth, if Uniuyo decides to employ today, what you will see on advert will be high level manpower such as professor, reader, and senior lecturer. But in her closet, nepotism in employment of BSc holders even when she has qualified PhD holders will be the order of the day.

What's the consequence? Before an academic can supervise MSc Thesis, he/she must have attained L1 position. So why won't MSc be delayed in such schools where academics of L1 above will be made to supervise so many students? In Ui for instance, you will never see BSc given appointment as academic even if the person came out top in the world. And hardly will you see MSc as academic in the system except few departments like Theatre Arts. In fact, 97% of departments in Ui employ PhD holders into academic positions. Hence, few supervision for each academic from L1 to Prof.

And when it comes to external defence, the Prof that is coming from another school has little or no work to do given that he's convinced that the manpower at Ui are tested and worthy.

Let me shock you a little. The dreaded Prof Akpan Ekpo, a one time VC of Uniuyo was at Ui for PhD external defence. Considering the PhD supervisor of the student and the host institution, it was rather a ceremony for merriment.

Well, you've made salient points which I agree with. In UNIUYO, you tend to find younger academics who are not qualified to supervise PG students. Even the older ones with PhDs are overworked and made to take other duties which affect their output. Furthermore, they are not paid for their work. Uniuyo doesn't pay allowances and stipends for PG work, GST work, Continuing Education work, Diploma work, etc. They only pay normal salaries and ignore other tasks that academics engage in. This demotivates the lecturers. I have been teaching and supervising GST for more than 2 years now without a single dime. Same applies for other extra jobs I do here and there. The system is really messed up.


So many departments, like mine, lack manpower and the few around are made to do the job of many. How would they have time for PG Students?

Then on to PG students themselves, many of them are lazy and unserious. They run the programme at their own pace. I find this very disturbing because it shows that the quality of students admitted is reducing by the day.

But even in the midst of all these beleaguering issues, the PG school is very insensitive in its policies. Making things overly difficult for students is not an indicator of good standards. It even makes the programme unattractive to the best brains and they end up admitting mediocre students.

One of my academic mentors here is furious at the PG school because a PhD candidate of his did his external defence last year and he is yet to graduate because of PG school's bureaucracies and vetting policy. Every new Dean of PG school introduces his own form of idiosyncratic difficulties to make the system more cumbersome for students. Do you know that the Dean of PG school reads the theses and dissertations of ALL PG students in the school before they are allowed to bind? Where else does that happen?

I pray for things to change here. Not for me but for the future generation of scholars and for the public image of the university. Many of these schools need to learn how other varsities across the world run their programmes with ease. Student friendly policies are a must for all universities that want to attract the best. Uniuyo just makes policies arbitrarily without thinking of the ripple effects they'll have on students.

It is well!

anzaku47:
Nasarawa State University

I concur. I've heard many good things about this school.

Never ever ever advice anybody even your enemy to do how/her Ms.c in Uni. Makurdi. I am still yet to defend my project since 2012. Snail pace school system... Kinda deliberate in making pay school fees every year. Imagine how much I owe now since 2012...fu*ked uni. Onetime had to challenge my project supervisor to hasten up he sent me out of his office. He milked me money wise... And still insisting I can do better.

missterious:


Would you recommend UI for M.Sc?

For sure if the person has the money to pay for increased school fee of about #120k on the average per session and the new accommodation fee of #75k for two man hall of residence. However, I will not recommend MSc Economics to my enemy. That's if I have one. That's the only department at Ui that accepts a min of 2.1 for MSc but getting her PhD grade is like hell on earth.

Best of luck.

Fellow NL, I need the same info.
But mine is narrowed down to between UNIZIK and UNN in the department of economics. I checked the last set that graduated from UNIZIK and they spent minimum of 3years. So, what about UNN? MSc economics.

fratermathy:


I doubt if you saw the course the OP mentioned. NOUN doesn't do an Msc degree in MCB.

okay dear thank you

Engineer96:
Fellow NL, I need the same info.
But mine is narrowed down to between UNIZIK and UNN in the department of economics. I checked the last set that graduated from UNIZIK and they spent minimum of 3years. So, what about UNN? MSc economics.

UNN is the lesser evil of the two but if I am to advise you outrightly, I'd say you should go to UNILAG!

fratermathy:


Well, you've made salient points which I agree with. In UNIUYO, you tend to find younger academics who are not qualified to supervise PG students. Even the older ones with PhDs are overworked and made to take other duties which affect their output. Furthermore, they are not paid for their work. Uniuyo doesn't pay allowances and stipends for PG work, GST work, Continuing Education work, Diploma work, etc. They only pay normal salaries and ignore other tasks that academics engage in. This demotivates the lecturers. I have been teaching and supervising GST for more than 2 years now without a single dime. Same applies for other extra jobs I do here and there. The system is really messed up.


So many departments, like mine, lack manpower and the few around are made to do the job of many. How would they have time for PG Students?

Then unto PG students themselves, many of them are lazy and unserious. They run the programme at their own pace. I find this very disturbing because it shows that the quality of students admitted is reducing by the day.

But even in the midst of all these beleaguering issues, the PG school is very insensitive in its policies. Making things overly difficult for students is not an indicator of good standards. It even makes the programme unattractive to the best brains and they end up admitted mediocre students.

One of my academic mentors here is furious at the PG school because a PhD candidate of his did his external defence last year and he is yet to graduate because of PG school's bureaucracies and vetting policy. Every new Dean of PG school introduces his own form of idiosyncratic difficulties to make the system more cumbersome for students. Do you know that the Dean of PG school reads the theses and dissertations of ALL PG students in the school before they are allowed to bind? Where else does that happen?

I pray for things to change here. Not for me but for the future generation of scholars and for the public image of the university. Many of these schools need to learn how other varsities across the world run their programmes with ease. Student friendly policies are a must for all universities that want to attract the best. Uniuyo just makes policies arbitrarily without thinking of the ripple effects they'll have on students.

It is well!

Bro, I quite share your Thesis. Let me further add that you shouldn't expect much from students over there. The reason is not far-fetched. Our people out there are more interested in politics which seems to them as oil company. And at the same time, they want to acquire all the academic qualifications to raised shoulders in community gathering.

Like you said, academics over there are not helping matters. Some of them if not most will expect some "grease" from postgraduate students which isn't supposed to be. I have worked with supervisors that you dare not buy them a bottle of coke. And in the midst of that, they source for important material for me. That's mentorship. And sometimes give me money that runs into hundred of thousands.

Like you said, PG supervision at Ui comes with stipend. It is sympathetic that one can be teaching GST without being paid. That's absurd. At Ui, most PhD students do not even want to engaged lecturing DLC programme which they are entitled to #50k monthly. I personally was what will I do with such amount of stipend.

What surprises me more is the fact that many academics at Uniuyo have acquired at least MSc at Ui. Yet, they refused to emulate the practise there.

fratermathy:


UNN is the lesser evil of the two but if I am to advise you outrightly, I'd say you should go to UNILAG!

MSc in Econs UNN is faster in recent times. I can say that authoritatively. If you are hardworking and also being assigned to Prof Hyacinth Ichoku or Dr Emma Nwosu, you can finished your programme in one year. However, those guys will drill you like borehole.

Mires:


Bro, I quite share your Thesis. Let me further add that you shouldn't expect much from students over there. The reason is not far-fetched. Our people out there are more interested in politics which seems to them as oil company. And at the same time, they want to acquire all the academic qualifications to raised shoulders in community gathering.

Like you said, academics over there are not helping matters. Some of them if not most will expect some "grease" from postgraduate students which isn't supposed to be. I have worked with supervisors that you dare not buy them a bottle of coke. And in the midst of that, they source for important material for me. That's mentorship. And sometimes give me money that runs into hundred of thousands.

Like you said, PG supervision at Ui comes with stipend. It is sympathetic that one can be teaching GST without being paid. That's absurd. At Ui, most PhD students do not even want to engaged lecturing DLC programme which they are entitled to #50k monthly. I personally was what will I do with such amount of stipend.

What surprises me more is the fact that many academics at Uniuyo have acquired at least MSc at Ui. Yet, they refused to emulate the practise there.

The current Dean of PG school got all his degree from the University of Ibadan and he appears aloof as to how a PG programme should be run. The former one also finished from Ibadan. There was a one-time Dean of PGS who finished in the USA and all of them, put together, have not remedied the problems of the PG school at Uyo. In fact, they complicated it more and more by adding more difficulties to an already difficult system.

Almost all the Masters graduates from Uyo run away to other schools for PhD. Only those with little to no idea of what goes on here or those who have no other choice come for their PhD. It favours some but this is just in exceptional cases where students finish with their departments in 2 years and then face PG school for another 1 year (totalling 3 years). But this is RARE! You have to be intelligent, likeable, hardworking, loyal, humble, etc, and above all, LUCKY, for you to achieve this.

Mires:


MSc in Econs UNN is faster in recent times. I can say that authoritatively. If you are hardworking and also being assigned to Prof Hyacinth Ichoku or Dr Emma Nwosu, you can finished your programme in one year. However, those guys will drill you like borehole.

One Year ? In UNN? I'm surprised! If this is true then its a welcome development.

fratermathy:


One Year ? In UNN? I'm surprised! If this is true then its a welcome development.

Bro, it's true. I know of two persons that have acquired it. That of Pol Sc isn't contentious.

It might also interest you to know that once you picked UNN PG admission letter for MSc, it is well stated that the programme is for one academic session. Mine had it though I turned down the admission offer.

DaBillionnaire:
why is nobody mentioning OAU

Sincerely OAU MSc is ideal on one ground. If the person wants to pursue PhD and he's sure of acquired PhD grade, then OAU is the place to be.

Why?

Her MSc is a research MSc just like that of UNN?

What's the implication of that?

One might spend time (years) on the programme to understand the rudiment of research.

But the beauty of it is the cost of PhD is paid. While on PhD, three years is guarantee because the person knows what is expected of him.

Mires:


Sincerely OAU MSc is ideal on one ground. If the person wants to pursue PhD and he's sure of acquired PhD grade, then OAU is the place to be.

Why?

Her MSc is a research MSc just like that of UNN?

What's the implication of that?

One might spend time (years) on the programme to understand the rudiment of research.

But the beauty of it is the cost of PhD is paid. While on PhD, three years is guarantee because the person knows what is expected of him.

Are you saying PhD program in OAU is fully funded?

HigherEd:
We are waiting for you at Covenant. and it is cheaper than undergraduate studies.

Hello HigherEd

Can I please get your contact, I need your contact, I will like to get some info about covenant uni from you.

Thanks in advance

ogunsinamayowa:


Are you saying PhD program in OAU is fully funded?

Bros, you want make I laughed cracked my libs. How can it be fully funded when your stupid Bubu has informed you that you always want free education.

What I mean is that completion time for PhD at OAU is timely because of the rigorous aspect of her MSc research components.

MSc is of two kinds but will not be specified on the notification of result or certificate.

Taught and Research MSc.

Unilag, and some other schools operate Taught MSc. Hence, completion is fast. Research MSc takes time anywhere in the world.

[quote author=zynellsmum post=66896960]You should try national open university. it’s fast am considering applying there for MSc [/quote
Hell No! open university is slow and there are high cases of missing results.

bigpicture001:
go to national open university for post graduate masters..its as fast as a bullet!!!!

Open University is very slow with high cases of missing results. it Hell No!!!

I don't abt oda uni, Ahmad Bello University will delay ur destiny for as long as possible...

Anambra State University is one of the fastest institutions where one can run PG programmes. Now known as Chukwuemeka Odimegwu Ojukwu University, Anambra.

Daree88:




You're very right.
Thank you very much for the useful info.

cadesky:
I don't abt oda uni, Ahmad Bello University will delay ur destiny for as long as possible...

I can collaborate this. My findings show that ABU is a mess in terms of PG programmes.

Varies with school, dept and student. some depts may be fast in some terrible faculties. It's not by university o.

fratermathy:


I can collaborate this. My findings show that ABU is a mess in terms of PG programmes.

Big lie! Finished my msc from animal science, 2 yrs and change. my friend in 18 months. depends on dept and student. PG school doesn't delay if the dept submits.

DaBillionnaire:
why is nobody mentioning OAU

Hahahaha OAU ke. You wan grow white beards?

Go to Uniuyo at your risk

emmanuelike:
unn is fast

UNN? Are you sure? I applied for MSc there but they're quite slow in releasing admission