Inkredible:
"I'm bout to go and join illuminati.. F.. errbody."

J.Cole - Villuminati

theamerican:


Good lord, what is the relevance of this comment?

Mogenerous:
I have a very dump question to ask. By naturalization, what does that mean? I Googled it and I read what it means but I need an explicit or should I write basic explanation on what it means. Thanks

Very cool thread by the way, I'm following front to back

theamerican:


It means becoming a citizen when you were only a foreigner. From being just a foreigner with visas, temporary residence permits, etc. to having the rights of a citizen (including voting, taking up govt jobs, etc) and all kids born to you automatically take up citizenship too.

Oh, you also get the opportunity to burn your former passport and vow to never set foot in that country if that's what you want. Lol.

theamerican:


It means becoming a citizen when you were only a foreigner. From being just a foreigner with visas, temporary residence permits, etc. to having the rights of a citizen (including voting, taking up govt jobs, etc) and all kids born to you automatically take up citizenship too.

Oh, you also get the opportunity to burn your former passport and vow to never set foot in that country if that's what you want. Lol.

Berliner1:


I dont know and am sure you dont as well.

But many nairalanders are here in Germany and they all came with either sponsorship letter or the block account(€8700) which is still 100% there money.

kalu61:
Give me that money and I will fare better with it than going to Europe. There are alot of ideas domicile in Nigeria. Capital has always being the issue. l have a cousin who has been over see for 20years though married but with no single room here

theamerican:


Good lord, what is the relevance of this comment?

bayocanny:

you can see the handwork of buhari... the guy has used recession format his brain

Activedreamer:

Imagine your mindset. Must he build a house in Nigeria? Some people don't wanna go back to the shit hole!e. Some people don't wanna show off to the soot inhaling Nigerians, by building houses they may never spend up to a week in. Some people wanna live and die where they now call home.

On doing business and faring better with €8k ? Your choice! Erm , it's all easier said than done. Ideas domiciled indeed.

Peace and love, bro.

kalu61:
From your write up mehn it seems the shithole country is frustrating you. Anyways, people are carving niche for themselves. €8k is about 4m +. l guess if you got the Money, you will not know what to do with it. Opportunity comes to those who are prepared for it.

kalu61:
Give me that money and I will fare better with it than going to Europe. There are alot of ideas domicile in Nigeria. Capital has always being the issue. l have a cousin who has been over see for 20years though married but with no single room here

theamerican:
Dear @Kalu61

I understand how patriotic you are and how you believe staying in Nigeria and setting up your own business with money, becoming a landlord, etc. is better than being abroad, that is fine. It's clear where your priorities lie and what you see as a fulfilled life. To each his own.

Without being condescending, it seems you have absolutely NO idea why people seek greener pastures to developed countries. You converted 8k euros to 4m Naira and because it's in millions, you think it's a fortune? Not everyone wants to be a landlord in Ikorodu, Epe or Sango (No disrespect to people who live there).

Nigeria is a failed state. Do you know how many death-traps they import into Nigeria as salvaged cars that people drive on the roads? Do you know how many illegal drugs are on the market because the "owners" bribed their way through the agencies supposed to control these? God forbid your daughter goes to a rich man's son's house, gets raped and you want justice.

Which land can 4m Naira buy? Lol. How many Old people are suffering because there is no system in place for them for life after retirement? That's even if they lived a worthy life before retirement. The state of unhealthy foods in Nigerian restaurants with no regulations in place? The smoke you inhale every day from horrible buses and cars that should never be on the roads!

My God, if we start talking about reasons to leave Nigeria, I'll be 95 before I stop. What business if I may ask can you set up in Nigeria with 4m Naira? (Please don't talk about open a sports betting shop/importing goods from dubai, selling oil, rice, garri and those 16th century business ideas). Do you know how many people have invested and failed, with customers owing them all over? You can't even track a customer down, sue to court to get your money back, etc.

You shouldn't compare a working system to a non-existent system. I'd choose life here in the U.S with NO savings but a roof over my head in a rented apartment, my kids in school, food on my table, etc., over living in even Lekki as a landlord and being at the mercy of a failed country and leaders.

Good lord, educate yourself! Do you know it's illegal for your kids to not go to school? The average American kid goes to school!!! Can read AND write. You constantly have to prove you're fit to be a parent else you lose custody of your kids. How many kids are in Makoko, suffering and have no idea what the future holds?

Don't get me started. "People are overseas for 20 years but don't have even a room here" . How is this a yardstick to measure a fulfilled life? Some people in Nigeria have never even seen a dishwasher/washer/drier before. Many think using them is "Lazy", haha... basic things that make life easy. I'll just leave you to your mindset.

Again, your reasons for deciding to stay is best known to you. Don't let blind patriotism cloud your good judgment.

Finally, you have absolutely no clue how WORTHLESS the Nigerian passport is. As they always say, a good name is better than gold and silver. Get into a fight with any Foreigner (American/European for example) in that Nigeria of yours and let your police judge the matter. You'll known how useless the country is.

Dreamswayne:

and you think he isn't living a good life there

not everyone wanna return to this shithole mate!!!


if you like build a penthouse, you can't take it with you to the grave....

people who migrated just want to be in a country where things works, where they have rest of mind, where the probability of their children making it is high, where there is steady power supply, good healthcare, etc... where the president isn't calling the youths "lazy"...


if i have the means, na to run comot oo... no time...


ENOUGH SAID

kalu61:
Hahaha, most of the dudes over there also struggle to put food on their table.However, you summarized it all. We all end in grave one way or the other.

hammed71:
yes we all end up in the grave one day.so whether people want to stay in naija or go abroad doesn't matter.everybody has their reasons.are you getting me?ok

theamerican:
@Kalu61

I'll let it go. You failed to answer simple questions: where can 4m buy you a land in Lagos and/or what business can you do with it? Also, I simply explained how people go abroad for quality of life. Apparently, we see quality of life differently so I'll let that go.

You missed the whole point I was passing across so I'll leave you to keep reading and maybe someday, you finally get it. Your "most of the people over there, most of you guys over there" claims show how out of touch you are with reality.

I don't argue with people who can't make counter-arguments without using insults, missing the point, or attacking the other person. You want to defend your country, all well and good.

Have a great day.

PS. This thread isn't an attack on any Nigerian's decision to remain in Nigeria. It's a platform to rub minds on the attractions abroad and if they're worth migrating for. Do you even have that 4m Naira? Lol... do you know how long it would take to have 4m Naira cash in your account?

Nigerian banks will give loans worth hundreds of millions of Naira to corrupt politicians but wouldn't give promising minds ordinary 50k. Go and apply for that 4m Naira loan to set up that awesome business of yours, come back and explain your finding(s).

I rest my case with you. God bless you.

kalu61:
first of all you sounded broken in your last reply on why America is the place to have better life which I disagree. However, you know I can't access 4m naira from bank but you want someone to get €8700 to come over. From where then? Well, as for lands under 4m in Lagos, please check of property in nairaland section.

theamerican:


Dear Sir, I'm not broken or frustrated, maybe those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You're 29, you finished youth service last year, you have no job yet, you depend on sports betting to make ends meet, which isn't a bad idea (your life, your decisions).

You live in Umuahia, without a stable job and you're insulting people who took risks to find greener pastures? Your posts show how winning 4000 Naira from online betting is a big deal to you... smh. All your claims about people abroad, how many of it is first hand experience? Have you ever been outside Nigeria? Before you criticize the decisions of people who had 4m Naira and traveled with it, wait until you have been in their shoes i.e. made that 4m Naira. Until then, leave them alone. Lol

If not because your country has failed you, you wouldn't be in that situation. I'm 25, I won't say anything about where I am now or the opportunities available to me. Again, it's a privilege. Not saying it to brag. I know your type, lol. I'm sure you're hardworking. Wait till you apply for jobs and they tell you only people between age 21 and 26 can apply, you'll know why people are giving up on Nigeria.

Before you attack someone, do a self-reflection sir. Good day. You have been talking about things you don't even know about lol. I won't waste my time anymore.

lucreziaborgia:
my ancestors will say "NA WHO NO GET MONEY TO DRINK BEER, NA DEY COMPLAIN SAY SMALL STOUT BITTER". no need to argue, you know what you know, and he knows what he can't accept

theamerican:


Dear Sir, I'm not broken or frustrated, maybe those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You're 29, you finished youth service last year, you have no job yet, you depend on sports betting to make ends meet, which isn't a bad idea (your life, your decisions).

You live in Umuahia, without a stable job and you're insulting people who took risks to find greener pastures? Your posts show how winning 4000 Naira from online betting is a big deal to you... smh. All your claims about people abroad, how many of it is first hand experience? Have you ever been outside Nigeria? Before you criticize the decisions of people who had 4m Naira and traveled with it, wait until you have been in their shoes i.e. made that 4m Naira. Until then, leave them alone. Lol

If not because your country has failed you, you wouldn't be in that situation. I'm 25, I won't say anything about where I am now or the opportunities available to me. Again, it's a privilege. Not saying it to brag. I know your type, lol. I'm sure you're hardworking. Wait till you apply for jobs and they tell you only people between age 21 and 26 can apply, you'll know why people are giving up on Nigeria.

Before you attack someone, do a self-reflection sir. Good day. You have been talking about things you don't even know about lol. I won't waste my time anymore.

Mcslize:
Kalu61. let's be realistic. In as much as you want to be patriotic to Nigeria, don't you think your peace of mind will be more valuable than being loyal to Nigeria?

Do know that Nigeria can't offer her citizens a good working system and it should be known to you that the majority of middle class persons in Nigeria are making the move abroad to be in a system where everything works and for the future of their children. Why do you think a bank manager will resign from his job in Nigeria and relocate to a country where everything works? Why are our trained Doctors all moving abroad. That's to tell you that there is no hope for Nigeria. The Nigeria system cannot offer them what they truly want.

We don't even have constant light and Nigeria had gained independence for 58yrs now, yet no constant electricity for the masses. Viable businesses cannot function in a country where there is dilapidated power supply and the most of it all, no food for the masses to eat. Wages is static yet food stuffs are always on the rise every passing day. How do you hope to survive in a system where your health is at stake?

Nigeria had failed all of us over the years and the wish of hoping for things to get better is still quite unattainable. For the fact that the government do not value us, some do value their lives and the future of their kids and that's why moving to a system with a functional working system is the best decision anyone will ever make.

theamerican:

Please I pm-ed you, please check your mail.please �


Lol, I never heard this wise saying before now haha. I was engaging him hoping he would make a solid case for himself. He ended up talking about my people (yes, I'm American now ) in a bad way and I wasn't gonna have that. Haha. Just kidding.

No one is forcing anyone to leave Nigeria.