MetalJigsaw:
Why are you bent on derailing this thread for us? why?

OK. I see. It is Friday night.

tbaba1234:


Ogu is a decent player but he is not the same type of player as Dembele.

Yes he his.

MetalJigsaw:
Bros, I respect people as much I respect myself. But don't do something that will annoy me this night. I reminded everyone that this thread is not for Arsenal and Atletico for Christ's sake. go and open this your fussy annoying Arsenal Atleti thread.

I be gentleman but I no day miss my target when it comes to connecting a Guilder bottle for person head o [hehehe]

Oga, the focus is on Iwobi Vs Welbeck. It is a Nigerian player we are discussing here.

If you are not interested in this topic then join in other ones elsewhere.

daveP:
Impact players. Iwobi may not be a game changer cos he still has a lot to learn, but beat your chest and tell me point blank that he wouldn't have done better on the wing than Welbeck that kept passing back when he had space to dribble thru and do something. The three times he tried to dribble, he was dispossessed and one of such even led to the goal that Griezmann buried. Haba.

Iwobi would dribble that defender and at least due to pressure, can get hacked down in the PK box cos of the rough way those ATM defenders were doing. Pls.


Sometimes, it's not just about the best 11.


We have coaches and managers bringing on players that have just one contribution to a game even if they are bench warmers. we've seen that alot in the UCL.



Iwobi, would have made a breakthrough on that flank than a wasteful, less confident Welbeck any day.

If you were making a case for Iwobi coming on for Wilshere or even Lacazette, then maybe. But Welbeck?? His athleticism alone is why you don't take him off. Arsenal were still creating chances and should've scored 3-4 without the substitution. If anything, I'd have brought on AMN for his pace to deal with Atleti's counter.

edi287:

If you were making a case for Iwobi coming on for Wilshere or even Lacazette, then maybe. But Welbeck?? His athleticism alone is why you don't take him off. Arsenal were still creating chances and should've scored 3-4 without the substitution. If anything, I'd have brought on AMN for his pace to deal with Atleti's counter.

Correct!

BascoVanVeli:



I respect Wenger so much but when the other team goes a man down u normally do something with the extra man. Besides Ozil Iwobi is the best creator on that squad and every Nigerian should know he scores big goals especially when they are needed. Well at least they won't blame him this way.

@ the bolded. when has Iwobi ever scored big goals in big moments? For arsenal I mean....

Icon79:
So many of us stated that fact ... he only had to play the game due to Shehu's injury, but the NL naysayers kept bashing him and tried to write him off


O pari

Really I don't still understand why he played the game if not fit when Aina was on the bench

A few weeks back, i was watching Tunisia 94 final against Zambia and i was reminded of how frustrating Okocha used to be. misplaced passes, over dribbling, wasted shots.

He is a Nigerian legend now but when he was young, he was not consistent. He became more consistent as he grew older.

Icon79:
Say what
John Ogu gives good passes? Was that meant as a joke

O pari

Ogu passes ain't bad

LMC

Heartland docked 3 points, fined N62.5m

Mobi Oparaku (Heartland Manager) gets 10-match suspension

MFM & Plateau Utd fined N3m & N1m respectively

Danielnino00:




This Rohr self... Against Algeria last year,he could have played Ebuehi instead of Shehu so we could officially cap him...
Against Serbia,he could have allowed Ebuehi rest and play Aina at RB. it would have given us the opportunity to see how Aina will fare at RB....

I'm yet to understand I swear

Mickael2:




seems you hardly watch Atleti games, that's how they cover all the time, they weren't scared at all just their normal game.

out of curiosity though are you saying that Iwobi would have been able to dribble all three players at once? I am sure Welbeck is kinda fast too, he showed that against Chelsea in last season's FA cup final and Iwobi is definetly not the fastest guy around either

You guys keep talking about iwobi coming in for welbeck, arsen wenger line up was very cautions and should have brought iwobi for wishere, iwobi is more attacking than wishere

Danielnino00:



@ the bolded. when has Iwobi ever scored big goals in big moments? For arsenal I mean....

That's why I didn't say every Londoner.

kentebemoney:

Where i compare them?
Ogu is a type of dembele player.
Both are left footed good with short passes.

Your point is very clear and understandable. Being d same kind of player does not mean being in d same class. Again we should stop berating a player because of d league or club he plays. Its good to play in a big club but not every player has d opportunity. There are Nigerian players that are better than Dembele that didnt make it to Europe. If a player like lwobi is not related to Okocha and plays for a lower league like Israel am sure he wont be anywhere near SE.

andrew444:


See as men dem dey discuss ebuehi injury like say na Daniel Alves, we don't have much players sha

Bro that injury can cause many thing in future, Holland are building a team and might offer Ebuehi an invite if he don't make it to world cup

Larry Kayode's goal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxochmfy6LM

kentebemoney:

Where i compare them?
Ogu is a type of dembele player.
Both are left footed good with short passes.

There is more to dembele than the short pass, his very skilful, his body balance is great and make some too direct run...dont forget he started out as a striker

Nicely done by Larry Kayode. Kept his composure despite the onrushing keeper and placed the ball nicely with his right foot. And good work to run into space too just in time.

Three goals in about five games now I think for him in FCSD colors. Good one for Kayode.

tbaba1234:
Larry Kayode's goal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxochmfy6LM

I love the way you just used a glimpse of Nigerian football history to dive into the depths of the matter as regards the growth of the present Super Eagles generation of players and prospects. I also saw the Tunisia 94 final not so long ago this year and saw your observations too. I also took time to go through more Tunisia 94 games and clips plus some USA 94 matches I have on my archives on Nigeria's Glory days even down to the U-17s.
The same Okocha that was quite inconsistent and sometimes made some folks feel like he was unserious grew to become not just a Nigerian and African legend but a world class footballer.

Our current generation is still so very young... Most of our brightest talents are still only aged between 19 and 21 currently. They will still mature and so will their talents/potentials....

Look at Mohammed Salah... He is 25 now (will be 26 by June this year) but at ages 21 and 22/23, he was not this explosive. Look at his growth... We saw the talents in the 19-20yrs old Salah at Basel and he did show some fine glimpses at Chelsea before he left for Fiorentina in Italy and then to Roma... But now at 25/26 at Liverpool, he has matured and allowed his growth count immensely... He is now practically a god among his peers at Liverpool.

Greatness sometimes will take time. And I see same explosion happening to a few of our rising young Nigerian talents if they keep the same positive, hardworking spirit and A-class mentality. I know we are on the verge of another golden generation in Nigerian football as it was in the 90s... But their growth continues... Most of the best of these lads/rising young players are still only aged 18, 19, 20, 21 or even 22... I say give it time. They will rise stronger with a few or couple of them going on to be world class footballers.

tbaba1234:
A few weeks back, i was watching Tunisia 94 final against Zambia and i was reminded of how frustrating Okocha used to be. misplaced passes, over dribbling, wasted shots.

He is a Nigerian legend now but when he was young, he was not consistent. He became more consistent as he grew older.

daveP:


This is a very interesting revelation. very Interesting one. I'm out. Back to Papi Rohrs GWG matters.

tbaba1234:
Larry Kayode's goal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxochmfy6LM

Kayode's movement is what I like the most about him.

e clear say he is getting invited for d upcoming friendlies

TheSuperNerd:
I love the way you just used a glimpse of Nigerian football history to dive into the depths of the matter as regards the growth of the present Super Eagles generation of players and prospects. I also saw the Tunisia 94 final not so long ago this year and saw your observations too. I also took time to go through more Tunisia 94 games and clips plus some USA 94 matches I have on my archives on Nigeria's Glory days even down to the U-17s.
The same Okocha that was quite inconsistent and sometimes made some folks feel like he was unserious grew to become not just a Nigerian and African legend but a world class footballer.

Our current generation is still so very young... Most of our brightest talents are still only aged between 19 and 21 currently. They will still mature and so will their talents/potentials....

Look at Mohammed Salah... He is 25 now (will be 26 by June this year) but at ages 21 and 22/23, he was not this explosive. Look at his growth... We saw the talents in the 19-20yrs old Salah at Basel and he did show some fine glimpses at Chelsea before he left for Fiorentina in Italy and then to Roma... But now at 25/26 at Liverpool, he has matured and allowed his growth count immensely... He is now practically a god among his peers at Liverpool.

Greatness sometimes will take time. And I see same explosion happening to a few of our rising young Nigerian talents if they keep the same positive, hardworking spirit and A-class mentality. I know we are on the verge of another golden generation in Nigerian football as it was in the 90s... But their growth continues... Most of the best of these lads/rising young players are still only aged 18, 19, 20, 21 or even 22... I say give it time. They will rise stronger with a few or couple of them going on to be world class footballers.

But some don't believe that(or pretend not to believe) age counts in football.

Players generally mature and get better with age. Just that they peak at various ages.

I look at some people when they criticise a player and then forgetting his age.

The expectations on some of these young players are too high. They expect them to be pulling up trees already meanwhile they are still at the developmental stages.

You in particular call me the custodian of the Hall of experience or something, you now agree with me that players get better as they age and gain more experience.

It is that young untested player that people here will always see as a better or best player. Going back to the motion that Kalu and Olayinka are better than Simon and Musa and that the later duo should be dropped for the former duo. Where is it done? You want to throw away the experience of Simon and Musa for untested young players? Not even as if Simon and Musa have not been forming in their clubs.

Martz101:


Bro that injury can cause many thing in future, Holland are building a team and might offer Ebuehi an invite if he don't make it to world cup

If they offer him so be it na,maybe his mind is not in naija,will he miss the World Cup ?

Lucque:
e clear say he is getting invited for d upcoming friendlies

I tell you bro...
I am so happy kayode could rejuvenate his career.....

I will prefer the dude as a second choice striker at the world cup....moreover he is someone that can play from the wings too....

andrew444:


If they offer him so be it na,maybe his mind is not in naija,will he miss the World Cup ?

please let's drop this aside...the good thing now...is the dude is now fit.
hope he makes the world cup slot..


rohr guffed big time...well he is human he does not know everything.

Icon4s:


But some don't believe that(or pretend not to believe) age counts in football.

Players generally mature and get better with age. Just that they peak at various ages.

I look at some people when they criticise a player and then forgetting his age.

The expectations on some of these young players are too high. They expect them to be pulling up trees already meanwhile they are still at the developmental stages.

You in particular call me the custodian of the Hall of experience or something, you now agree with me that players get better as they age and gain more experience.

It is that young untested player that people here will always see as a better or best player. Going back to the motion that Kalu and Olayinka are better than Simon and Musa and that the later duo should be dropped for the former duo. Where is it done? You want to throw away the experience of Simon and Musa for untested young players? Not even as if Simon and Musa have not been forming in their clubs.

most football players peak between the ages of 25 to 31

andrew444:


See as men dem dey discuss ebuehi injury like say na Daniel Alves, we don't have much players sha

a lot of Brazilians actually do not rate Dani alves that much

Kayode Scores Again As Shakhtar Stay Top In Ukraine
April 27, 2018 7:14 pm

Nigeria forward Kayode Olanrewaju was the hero as he grabbed the winning goal for Ukrainian side Shakhtar Donetsk who beat Mariupol 1-0 in a league game at the Illichivets Stadium on Friday, reports Completesportsnigeria.com.

Kayode netted the decisive goal 25 minutes from time after he was set up by Goncalves dos Santos.

It was the 24-year-old’s second goal in four league games and third goal in five games in all competitions for the Miners who cemented their place at the top of the log with three games remaining before the end of the campaign.

He is on loan at the club from English Premier League champions Manchester City.

Shakhtar sit at the top of the table with 69 points, six more than second-placed Dynamo Kiev who could cut the lead to three with a win against Vorskla.

Paulo Fonseca’s men are on course to win a domestic double this season after booking a place in the final of the Ukrainian Cup last week.

They will face title rivals Dynamo Kiev in the final on May 9 at the Dnipro Arena.



https://www.completesportsnigeria.com/kayode-scores-again-as-shakhtar-stay-top-in-ukraine/

asha80:
a lot of Brazilians actually do not rate Dani alves that much

Then those Brazilians don't know football,Daniel Alves is the most decorated player in football history,got more trophies than the so called Ronaldo and Messi and even pele

Humility017:

please let's drop this aside...the good thing now...is the dude is now fit.
hope he makes the world cup slot..


rohr guffed big time...well he is human he does not know everything.

I am not arguing I was surprised because I know he is fit but the way they are speaking I was surprised

Mikel: Super Eagles Can Make History In Russia
April 27, 2018 10:05 pm

Super Eagles captain Mikel Obi believes the team can make history in Russia in June when the FIFA World Cup gets underway.
The Tianjin TEDA of China midfielder says the team will surprise the world by going farther than any Nigerian team has done in the competition.

”I think we are in a group where we can do something. It depends on our preparations and how much we want it, not just we have qualified let’s just go and play the World Cup.

”We want to make history, we want to do well. We want to make sure we go there believing we can beat Argentina, Croatia and Iceland,” Mikel told FIFA World Cup Russia Magazine.

Nigeria’s best placing in their previous four appearances at the competition was the second finish in 1994,1998 and 2014 and Mikel is confident the team will surpass that record.

The Eagles will open their campign on June 16 against Croatia at the Kaliningrad Stadium in Kaliningrad before playing Iceland six days later at the Volgograd Arena in Volgograd.

Nigeria’s last game is against Argentina whom they have four times at the World Cup.The game will hold at the Krestovsky Stadium in Saint Petersburg.


https://www.completesportsnigeria.com/mikel-super-eagles-can-make-history-in-russia/