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Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by princfred(m): 9:58am On May 09, 2018 |
Ladyhippolyta88:Then stfu because you dont know shit about religion. She goat. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by princfred(m): 10:06am On May 09, 2018 |
Fyi0:Thats how dey reason like cow up and down any small thing war..... war |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by sparkwil(m): 10:12am On May 09, 2018 |
Rosskii: Blah blah blah...... Same gibberish was said about North Korea. So far Trump's been right. I don't know why the idiots on the left won't let him try. Obama is the most anti American president ever. He went into a deal without congressional approval. What came out of the deal.... A more aggressive Iran that now has missiles pointing at Israel from Syria and Lebanon. America has an unbreakable historical and cultural ties with Israel and Hussein Obama was stupid to undermine that. For those who have an insight of God's word.... This is the finger of God and no one can do nothing about it. Iran will be a nuclear waste land before it thinks of annihilating Israel. 3 Likes |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by princfred(m): 10:20am On May 09, 2018 |
sparkwil:Tell them. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by Lordspenzo(m): 10:21am On May 09, 2018 |
linearity:u dont understand.trump sanctioning iran means any country or company that does bidnes wit iran wil be banished frm d us..even if na tissue paper company dat have ties wit iran wil be banished frm d us..of wic d us is dia biggest market.nw ask ur self wic bidnes man wil choose iran over d us in terms of bussines? |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by troublemakea(m): 10:21am On May 09, 2018 |
ocelot2006: since u support Iran in everything carry ur bags n lagguages n go live or work in Iran since you see them good n truthful |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by humblenature: 10:26am On May 09, 2018 |
bettercreature:lolz. Israel will bomb any country that engages in actions that threatens there existence without asking. Don't even say what u don't know. U seem not to know Israel. They don't care for foreign protocol. Go and ask |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by GiantParrot(m): 10:32am On May 09, 2018 |
International geopolitics is rarely driven by moral sentiments. It's mostly about self-interests. It's the simple old "what is in it for me?". How does this action protect my interests? Those with the best economic and military might are far more likely to be successful in promoting their self-interests. I think those talking about WWIII are getting things wrong. China, Russia and US are extremely unlikely to engage in any world war because of Iran. It's really not in their interests to do so. Except the cost of such a war is deemed to be much less than the perceived benefits. Given the possible escalation to nuclear warfare, it's hard to see any benefits that will outweigh the costs. So, WWIII is not likely. Proxy wars could happen. If anything, revenues accrued from sales of weapons to support a proxy war will be beneficial to the vendors' economies. I doubt that Trump's objective here is a war. Looks more like an attempt at regime change through crippling economic sanctions. His direct remarks to the Iranian people referencing the Iranian revolution of 1979 and the economic difficulties that followed lends some credence to this idea of regime change. He suggested in passing that pre-1979 Iran was a much better place. Iran's economy is not doing well. Many Iranians expressed lack of faith in the robustness of their economy by desperately buying US dollars last month in anticipation of an end to the nuclear deal. Perhaps Trump believes there will be no more opportune time than now to sieze advantage. For these economic sanctions to be truly effective, Western Europe and China have to cooperate with the US. It does look like the US can bully Western Europe into compliance. Trump may have tested the resolve of Europe's leaders when he announced trade tariffs earlier in the year. The leaders essentially grovelled to Trump and he gave exemptions to their countries. That was surely an expression of weakness that wouldn't have gone unnoticed by Trump. They probably have no choice. Western Europe is weak compared to the US. Another example of Europe's weakness can be seen with the impotence with which Europe's leaders addressed the revelation that Obama's Whitehouse furtively listened in on their conversations. That is spying with impunity in simple terms. It looks like Europe will grandstand a little, but will ultimately comply with the sanctions. China is much more difficult to bully or influence. And they are a key economic partner with Iran. There are significant Chinese investments in Iran's oil and gas industry. Iran basically survived the last round of sanctions because China kept importing their oil. China sells refined products to Iran. And have a pact with Russia to defend Iran in the event of a war. But this isn't about a war really. It's about economic sanctions. Russia may be effectively useless here. China may just be the key to this whole political game. It was China that allowed the North Korean regime to survive this long in spite of western sanctions. Not long after the US was able to get China to enforce sanctions, North Korea buckled. Can the same happen with Iran? One thing is certain, if by China's assessment, they are convinced that the cost of supporting Iran outweighs the benefits to China, they will betray Iran without a thought. World politics is not about traditional moral convictions. It's about self-interests. Can trump offer a deal that benefits China at the expense of Iran? Can Trump execute actions that will cost China more to support Iran than it would for China to enforce the economic sanctions? The events of the coming months and possibly years will unfold for us to know how this will play out. Trump may have tested the waters with the tariffs on Chinese imports to the US. China responded in kind. That is an expression of strength. However China seemed to give in a little here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5598013/amp/Chinas-President-Xi-promises-CUT-car-import-tariffs-buckles-trade-war-Trump.html. We don't really know how this will end. But WWIII remains extremely unlikely. AZeD1: Why would Trump walk away from a deal the US invited Iran to sign? Again, world geopolitics is not about traditional morality. This could be an extremely stupid move though. Time will tell. But it is not so different from the Nigerian woman who goes to the market, approaches a seller to negotiate on buying certain merchandise, is dissatisfied with the price, and walks away with the belief that negotiations may not be over. The seller could call back for further negotiations. Especially in the case where the vendor sells perishable items. The Iranian economy may well be a perishable item at this point, and Trump believes they will come back to the negotiating table. How then is a possible renegotiation a catalyst for a regime change? The Ayatollah and his loyal subjects protect his reign with an expression of strength. There is no greater threat to his position than an appearance of weakness. His enemies in government will seek to take advantage of the "pathetic" weakness that would be demonstrated should Iran go back to the negotiating table. If there's no negotiation and China is somehow influenced to comply with sanctions, then you can almost guarantee an Iranian revolution in the near future. The people will begin to ask themselves why they have to suffer because of the Ayatollah's regime. A hungry, starving man is not very proud or patriotic. Even the military will begin to have ideas if they are not well funded. A regime that is friendly to the US and Israel will be more interested in improving their economy than in building nuclear weapons. Let's observe how these things go. I hope Nigeria will not be foolish enough to get involved in things over which we have no influence. 5 Likes |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by princfred(m): 10:34am On May 09, 2018 |
Admin401:Lol |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by chaiks: 10:37am On May 09, 2018 |
CriticMaestro:you are there. when they were previously sanctioned, nigeria sold oil at above 100 dollars. now , we expect similar situation to occur. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by sparkwil(m): 10:39am On May 09, 2018 |
princfred: I wonder how a sane person will read the information below about Iran's ayatollah and still take side with the terrorist regime in Iran. Since the past month, Israel has struck Iranian military positions in Syria about three times including yesterday's strike. Let them try nonsense if they won't drink fire 2 Likes
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Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by linearity: 10:46am On May 09, 2018 |
Lordspenzo: That is not true. The European Countries have indicated that they will stand by the deal and Iran have agreed that, they will keep it. The European Countries have started looking into ways to protect their companies that do business with Iran. Those companies have protection to also do business in the US and there is nothing Trump can do about it, because they are protected by bilateral agreements between US and those countries and any attempt to disadvantage them in the US will cause US companies in Europe to suffer the consequences. Trump is ill prepared to be President and his actions are juvenile driven only by hate. US still need many other countries to exist. Trump stupidly announced teriff increase on China and when China retaliated, Washington is trying to play the teriff they announced down and not to implement them. In a global trade war, America losses big time! Almost everything used in the US is imported. America rely heavily on cheap labor abroad to service her extravagant life style. If you cut off that source of cheap labor, they wouldn’t be able to sustain spiral downward that will occur. Take the simple case of iPhone, which is manufactured in China with cheap labor of about $2.9/hr minimum wage, compare to US minimum wage of about $8/hr...meaning on account of labor alone, if the iPhone were to be manufactured in the US, the current price of $1,000 will be around $3,500....then add the other costs of running manufacturing business in US e.g. rent, power, etc...no one will be able to afford an iPhone...what do you think will happen to Apple? All these America companies will start falling one after the other like flies. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by escodotman: 11:00am On May 09, 2018 |
JUHABACH:I was following your narratives keenly until you used the word ''idiot''. Only fools and animals resort to insults to press their argument and try to impose their opinions on another people and it is the hallmark of a particular religion! You should know that U.S. and many Western countries including Germany, U.K. and France, all belong to NATO, they all have a pact or some kind of agreement to always fight a particular course together if it comes to war. That is why U.S, France and Germany joined the U.K to sanction Russia in the Skripal's poisoning case despite not finding a hard and indisputable evidence that Russia was behind it. These NATO also ganged up and coluded to send missiles to bomb Syria which is an ally of Russia and nothing happened. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by alabo1: 11:04am On May 09, 2018 |
Comments like this make me realize that most nairalanders get their information from Fox and CNN. It is naive to speak of America destroying Russia or China and Vice Versa. In conventional warfare none of these countries has the capability to totally defeat each other due to deployment and geographical challenges. To simplify the US cannot invade Russia and Vice versa as no country in the world today or in the past has the capability to maintain supply chains for the expanse of territory we are talking about. Read your military history and you will understand why Russia and China have never been conquered in History. Even a combination of two of these countries against the other will not succeed. Nuclear War is out of the question due to the Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) outcome - No Winner. Furthermore in all the comments I am reading it is amazing how many people trivialize Russia's military might. Russia has without a doubt the second most powerful military on the planet (Every military site on the planet reviewed will confirm this) and even has a superior Nuclear Arsenal to the United States. In other words comparing the Russian Army to Israel is a joke when the entire NATO alliance exists solely to counter a Russian threat against the entire Europe. However we can talk about who will win in a Proxy War - where each country supports a player in a given theater such as Syria (Which Russia won by the way) or Iran if the US ever decides to go with a military solution. However in such a war so may salient factors come into play and may not be a true reflection of the superiority or otherwise of any of the sponsors (The proxy war between US and Russia in Afghanistan in the 80's is a prime example of this). Also I am reading comments here that show the lack of information on middle eastern affairs. Israel, Saudi Arabia and Iran are the three most powerful countries in the middle east and are constantly seeking dominance over each other. The Iranian nuclear deal poses a threat to Israels's military dominance and Saudi Arabia vision of becoming the most powerful Muslim nation. Americas strategic interests with Saudi Arabia (For Oil) and Israel was key in convincing Trump to pull out of this deal. However the issue here is the deal represents the best option currently to delay a nuclear Iran (However a nuclear Iran is an event which will definitely occur in the future) which is why Obama and the Rest of Europe supported it. Stopping this deal will only cause Iran to accelerate the process to ensure the utmost deterrent against military force. Unfortunately Mr. Trump with his limited understanding of International affairs and ego (desire to overturn every Obama initiative) has fallen into the Israeli and Saudi ploy. Sadly this will only further erode Americas influence in the middle east (Just like Syria where only Russia and China are involved in the rebuilding process) and the rest of the world as the EU, Russia and China (thankfully) have announced this morning that they will proceed with the deal without the US and not impose any further sanctions on Iran. In conclusion the true winners of the Trump Presidency are China and Russia who as the US becomes more isolationist will expand their spheres of influence and ultimately (In China's case replace the US as the dominant superpower). Peace Eze2000: [quote author=Eze2000 post=67395019] 1 Like |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by ifyboy60(m): 11:17am On May 09, 2018 |
ollah2: 1. the war in Syria is a civil war birthed by the desire of the populace to usher in democracy as a fallout from the Arab spring. 2.The economy of California alone is bigger than that of the entire north Africa, there is no way 'small Libya' could fall the US dollar. 3. Sadam invaded Kuwait whc precipitated d gulf war. he attacked Isreal with his ballistic missiles as a sure of force so as to become d undisputed Arab champion. he used chemical weapons on the Kurds. 4. US invaded Nazi Germany and it wasn't for terrorists, US invaded fascist Italy, even the Italians were happy abt it as it drove away Nazi forces and musolini. 5.US invaded panama, no terrorists only a crack head dictator. Give the US some accolades they deserve it. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by Nobody: 11:25am On May 09, 2018 |
ocelot2006:That was what some of u said about north Korea months ago. No matter how strong Iran may claim to be, they know that if a war broke out, they will be finished. They will only make noise and then thread carefully to avoid stories that touch. Iran in on a long thing on this issue. So u think Iran is more advanced technologically than Russia or China abi? Even Russia and China knows that America is more advanced when it comes to modern technology. Iran is no match for America. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by escodotman: 11:28am On May 09, 2018 |
alabo1:You were obviously biased against the U.S. Your narative was just trying to play down and brush off the impact the NATO, including U.S. can have when it comes to warfare. No one should trust Iran with nuclear arsenal of any sort, or any Arab nation for that matter. Iran is known as a sponsor of terrorists and Islamist fundamentalists around the world. As for your false assertions which were seriously biased and gave impression of your hatred of U.S like Nigerian Muslims...you claim Trump has a ''limited understanding of international relation''...WOW!!! A United States President?? So you are more averse with international relations now more than a U.S. President? I must confess you are very funny! How many world Presidents have you met before? Well... U.S. was able force Kim Jung to halt his nuclear programme despite having China and Russia as allies. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by Nobody: 11:30am On May 09, 2018 |
AZeD1:U don't support war but u were boasting of Iran's strength and position in military ranking abi? Trump is not Obama as u rightly said because Obama made so many issues in the deal which favours Iran over the US. Don't forget Obama has a soft spot for Iran too. Upon all the deals and sanctions on North Korea over the years, how was it possible for them to develop their nukes? Because the deals were favorable to them. And now Trump came into the scene, used his own approach and got the result but yet they still criticize hi!. Let those people u talked about complaining alone, that was how they criticized Trump on North Korea issue. 2 Likes |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by escodotman: 11:31am On May 09, 2018 |
kingkakaone:North Korea is more powerful than Iran, and they have calmed down and agreed to stop their nuclear programme. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by Nobody: 11:37am On May 09, 2018 |
AZeD1:Iran was secretly building their nukes. Even one of u confirmed it last night that Iran has an underground nuclear warhead. What proof does one need again to justify Mr Trump after such claim by u Iran supporters? |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by imam07: 11:41am On May 09, 2018 |
Ladyhippolyta88:Out of these people you listed, which one of them slaughter people and be shouting Jesus or hallelujah. Those time u are talking about is just a territorial war or racist war. Not a religion war.Even in the time of bible there was war. But stop saying they were christian terrorist. I have never come across someone who killed and shouted Jesus. Were should stop supporting terrorist because this is one of the reasons Trump hates Muslims. Nobody can blame him for hating killers. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by Nobody: 11:44am On May 09, 2018 |
AZeD1:One of u claimed Iran was secretly building their nukes. Even one of u confirmed it last night that Iran has an underground nuclear warhead. What proof does one need again to justify Mr Trump after such claim by u Iran supporters? |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 11:49am On May 09, 2018 |
imam07:I am not supporting terrorist.No Christian would agree that the KKK and other terrorists organisations (there was even violence in the bible they went to war) were Christian or practised the faith but when it comes to Islam they would label all Muslims as terrorists and would not ask if all of them are doing it for the faith.And what is your definition of a terrorist?No Christian would agree that some people in the past committed atrocities in the name of the religion before.There are arguments for or against what these terrorists(radicals) fighting in the name of Islam stand for or hope to gain(caliphate sharia etc).You are free to stand in the one you believe in or choose to accept.I am not a Muslim nor do I support terrorist but I hate it when pot calls kettle black by labelling all people of a particular faith as terrorist when in the past some people did it and claimed to belong to their religion. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by ollah2: 11:55am On May 09, 2018 |
imam07: There are loads of christian terrorists Joseph Kony, Anders Brevik, RicAnders brevik, Dylan roof, alexandre bissonnette, Oscar Morel, stephen paddock, Mark conduit, et al There you are, the sponsors of Al Qeada 1 Like
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Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by ArinzeRaph: 11:56am On May 09, 2018 |
Rosskii:go watch press tv |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 11:57am On May 09, 2018 |
ollah2:Thank you sir,I just gave him a little reply compared to yours. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by ollah2: 11:57am On May 09, 2018 |
Ladyhippolyta88: You are one of the few people on this site with sense. It's obvious you arent a hypocrite, sentimental or a bigot. The hate in those guys is of the highest order. You just said the exact thing I have always said on this forum. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by Ladyhippolyta88(f): 12:02pm On May 09, 2018 |
ollah2:Thank you and have a great day. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by ollah2: 12:04pm On May 09, 2018 |
Ladyhippolyta88: I read it and I'm impressed Ladyhippolyta88: You are welcome and you too |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by ollah2: 12:07pm On May 09, 2018 |
mejorhofficial: What makes you conclude your way is the only true way? |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by ocelot2006(m): 12:22pm On May 09, 2018 |
kingkakaone: Bros, I dont know what statement was made about North Korea, but apparently you've not learnt from history, so let me say this: if Iran is invaded, NOBODY WINS AT ALL, the Americans inclusive. You seem to have forgotten the after effects of the wars in Iraq, Yemen, and the Arab Spring (Syria, Libya). Tell me, how did it go for the Americans? Last i checked the Iraqi insurgency was a totally bloody one killing thousands of US servicemen plus almost a million Iraqis. From the ashes of the Syrian battlefield ISIL was also born, not only unleashing major blood baths in Syria and neigbouring Iraq, but also MAJOR terror attacks in the United States, Belgium, France, The United kingdom, and Germany. Then there's the Libya debacle that has turned that country into a failed nation and a hotbed for terrorism; a conflict that has led to the spread massive stocks of weapons down south, fueling islamic insurgencies in Mali, Cameroun, Chad, Niger, and our own Boko Haram. Keep in mind that the Americans have troops stationed in Niger and just lost a few members of their Army Special Forces ODA team in an ambush caught on camera. Overall, everyone is trying to clean the clusterfvck in the middle east? Now you want the Americans to start a new war in Iran? Sure they may win in a conventional battle, but nothing stops the Iranians from switching to asymmetric warfare, and I can assure you that the Americans cannot tackle that. Keep in mind that the Iranians have a pretty seasoned military. The Revolutionary Guard Qud Force comes to mind. Even the Isrealis have had run ins with these guys and it hasn't been a pleasant one. So imagine another Fallujah or Lebanon war in the streets or mountains of Iran. You thing Afghanistan is bad, wait till US service men meet Qud operators seasoned from conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen. It will be a clusterfvck of epic proportions. Oh, dont forget that the Iranians are equally likely to mine the strait of Hormuz, a MAJOR international shipping lane. Imagine the effect of that on world trade. So bros, a conflict between both parties wont favour either of them or the region as a whole or the security of the western world. it isnt like Call of Duty because this time everyone loses. |
Re: BREAKING!!..Trump Pulls Out Of Nuclear Deal With Iran by ocelot2006(m): 12:28pm On May 09, 2018 |
troublemakea: I'm being a realist here. Iran may not be as clean as we want, but neither is the United States. Both equally have their own fair share of rotten baggage, it just that I'm not swayed by the narratives that folks like you get from movies, video games, and FOX news |
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