Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / New
Stats: 3,217,888 members, 8,035,789 topics. Date: Monday, 23 December 2024 at 08:31 PM

"Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian - Culture (3) - Nairaland

Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Culture / "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian (44541 Views)

Sango Was A King Before Becoming Deity – Alaafin Of Oyo / Emir Of Gwandu, Muhammadu Bashar: Homosexuality, Lesbianism, Cause Of Insecurity / 6 Undisputed Facts That Prove "Homosexuality" Is Demonic Possession (2) (3) (4)

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (Reply) (Go Down)

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Nobody: 6:35am On May 10, 2018
Talk2Bella:



learnt something new today, thanks for sharing
You just learnt fuckery!

8 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Nobody: 6:36am On May 10, 2018
Talk2Bella:
eye opening article smiley smiley
Are you okay?

2 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by scholes0(m): 6:38am On May 10, 2018
platinumtt:
Deliberate twisting of history should be considered as a punishable crime. Did the lady even ask herself when trouser was introduced in Africa to label Sango a cross dresser. The only feminist attribute exhibited by Sango was the plaiting of his hair. And that started after he married his last wife who was always plaiting his hair out of love. The most painful part is that there are thousands versions of Sango's history and it is very hard to tell the original undiluted one. Another history book has it that there were two Sango. The original Sango during the era of obatala and Orunmila. Another Sango, which is the 4th king of Oyo (birth name: Itiolu) copied the attributes of original Sango.

On the point of Adodi and Adofuro as used in the yoruba proverb. This is extremely ridiculous. These two words actually mean the same thing as Adodi is a more subtle way of the word Adoduro. It has nothing to do with homosexualism. In fact, yoruba culture frowns at homosexuality

You are completely right on all your other points, but please when did braiding the hair become an exclusively female trait?
Men have always braided their hair/locks all over Africa and beyond.

6 Likes 1 Share

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Snieder(m): 6:39am On May 10, 2018
U don't mean it.

Although I'm not surprised
Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Morbeta11(m): 6:41am On May 10, 2018
Mynd44:
We already know this na so she should come with something else.

It is interesting the in Yoruba there are no words for apple, pineapple and even onions (alubosa from etymology shows that it was adopted and changed for easy pronunciation) yet there are two distinct words for being gay.

You have words like adodi and adofuro meaning being homosexual has always had some place in yoruba history but what is not clear is if it was outlawed but then again, there has never being historical evidences to show anyone was punished for it.

But then again, it is never seen that people practiced it in the open either by marriage or it was socially accepted but it existed.


As for the cross-dressing, popular musician Obesere has been wearing female clothing on stage for tears so Bobrisky's antics does not even surprise me. I guess what changed is the attitude and seeming feminity of Bobrisky that draws attraction to him


This trend go Sweet

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by dihhowner(m): 6:43am On May 10, 2018
Just tell us you're a lesbian and spare us this bulshit....

3 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Nobody: 6:43am On May 10, 2018
gerrardomendes:
No wonder. What of oduduwa? Is that why he was thrown out of heaven?.
From benin historians he was the heir to his fathers throne sentenced to death because he... but the hangman let him escape to ife. Curiously he was referred to as both male and female atimes.
Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Rickyuzzy(f): 6:44am On May 10, 2018
Yuval Noah Harari reminded the world in his spectacular book, Sapiens, last year. Anything that can happen is by definition natural. If two women can find a way to sexual pleasure, then by the obvious evidence nature already allows it. If a man can wear what we now call ‘female clothing’ and not fall down and die because of it, then it is by nature natural. Nature allows a massive spectrum of possibilities, he reminds us; it is us humans that limit the possibilities with our fears, taboos and phobias, not nature.

But let’s still investigate the word ‘natural’. Is there anything intrinsically positive about the Natural? In the first few centuries after Christ, it was very natural for a man to have 14 children and to lose more than a dozen of them to disease, and it was very natural for bacteria to wipe off millions of people because there was none of the medicines we have now. Those were very natural. And yet here we are now, as a race, having overcome those challenges, because we found ‘unnatural’ ways to fight nature through medicine. Indeed, humanity has spent the past two million years, since man discovered fire, fighting and running away from ‘nature’. We build houses to escape the rain. We buy shaving powder to get rid of the natural hair that grows on our chins and armpits. And we have unnatural caesarian operations because sometimes nature is careless, thoughtless and pointless.

6 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by godofuck231: 6:47am On May 10, 2018
Sango only had his hair weaved because his wife carried the same hair do and out of fondness she herself made his hair, if he was gay he would not have been married, bum cum lesbian ghanian history classes for idiots.

5 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by MightySparrow: 6:49am On May 10, 2018
Azazi:
Afonjas, come and respond o! grin

1 Like

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Nobody: 6:50am On May 10, 2018
pressplay411:


How does Cross-dressing prove homosexuality?
By your analogy, Obesere must be gay right?

Why do I suspect OP is a closet queer seeking justification in his heritage. On behalf of the yoruba race, we honourably deny and disown you. Benin people, over to you, he's all yours.
On behalf of the Benin people, home and abroad, we deny that bastard completely.
The osu people can keep him.

6 Likes 1 Share

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Nobody: 6:57am On May 10, 2018
Mynd44:
We already know this na so she should come with something else.

It is interesting the in Yoruba there are no words for apple, pineapple and even onions (alubosa from etymology shows that it was adopted and changed for easy pronunciation) yet there are two distinct words for being gay.

You have words like adodi and adofuro meaning being homosexual has always had some place in yoruba history but what is not clear is if it was outlawed but then again, there has never being historical evidences to show anyone was punished for it.

But then again, it is never seen that people practiced it in the open either by marriage or it was socially accepted but it existed.


As for the cross-dressing, popular musician Obesere has been wearing female clothing on stage for tears so Bobrisky's antics does not even surprise me. I guess what changed is the attitude and seeming feminity of Bobrisky that draws attraction to him



A lot of ignorant people online today.


There's no doubt that every culture in the world had/has these homosexuals.


Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa are not strangers to these acts.


The question is, was it socially acceptable in Yoruba land?


Calling someone by the name "adofuro" is a big slur. A huge insult that could get you killed if you mistakenly call some innocent person that way.


In fact, homosexuals were always closeted so as not to be labelled that.


So insinuating that homosexuality was part of Yoruba culture is ignorance at its peak.


Sango dressed the way he did because that was what was in vogue. You didn't expect him to be in suit and tie did you?


How about Igbo men that tie wrapper? Are they all cross dressers too?


The lesbian that wrote that article claiming orunmila was a product of lesbian sex should go and conceive a baby with her lesbian partner and lets see how that'll come about.


There is no justification for homosexuality. The great Roman empire was great until the men diverted into perverted homosexual relationships. That marked the beginning of the end of the Roman empire.


For the Igbos jumping up and down on this thread, I think you should ask your parents the Igbo word for @ss-fvcker. I'm sure you aren't naïve enough to believe that homosexuality and lesbianism didn't exist in Igbo land too, what with the women possessing abundant male hormones enough to make them look masculine and very hairy.

14 Likes 2 Shares

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Nobody: 6:57am On May 10, 2018
Mynd44:
We already know this na so she should come with something else.

It is interesting the in Yoruba there are no words for apple, pineapple and even onions (alubosa from etymology shows that it was adopted and changed for easy pronunciation) yet there are two distinct words for being gay.

You have words like adodi and adofuro meaning being homosexual has always had some place in yoruba history but what is not clear is if it was outlawed but then again, there has never being historical evidences to show anyone was punished for it.

But then again, it is never seen that people practiced it in the open either by marriage or it was socially accepted but it existed.


As for the cross-dressing, popular musician Obesere has been wearing female clothing on stage for tears so Bobrisky's antics does not even surprise me. I guess what changed is the attitude and seeming feminity of Bobrisky that draws attraction to him



Ope oyinbo is the yoruba name for pineapple while Apple is Apu.

10 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by fucktoto: 6:57am On May 10, 2018
pressplay411:


How does Cross-dressing prove homosexuality?
By your analogy, Obesere must be gay right?

Why do I suspect OP is a closet queer seeking justification in his heritage. On behalf of the yoruba race, we honourably deny and disown you. Benin people, over to you, he's all yours.

IgbosAreOsus:

On behalf if the Benin people, home and abroad, we deny that bastard completely.
The osu people can keep him.

tamuno!!! grin grin grin

ban loading for both of you.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7086968_chaiiiiiiiii_jpeg41d3abf0b713e40414362b85bb9fba36

6 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by BabaRamota1980: 7:03am On May 10, 2018
So cross dressing is homosexuality?

So men that tie wrapper are homo?
So the skirt-wearing bagpipers of Scotland are homo?

7 Likes 1 Share

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Reelectbuhari: 7:03am On May 10, 2018
So the issue of sodomy started in yoruba....

that's lays credence to the reason most of their boys are gays almost 65% of their population are gays




also they are the reason Nigeria has not prospered....coz of their sodomic life.......thats y God is punishing Nigeria as in the case of sodom and gomorrah....

1 Like

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Truthcat: 7:08am On May 10, 2018
What nonsense is this one puking here?

We have pineapple (Opeyinbo) in Yoruba. Apple is not grown in Nigeria Alubosa is Yoruba, others just have a similar name just like Ghana (especially Ashantis) have the following in common with Yoruba. There are many more but this is the few I can remember right now

Yoruba / Ghana / English

Fufu / Foufou / Mashed cassava
Mibo / Miba / I'm coming
Ekabo / Akwaba / Welcome
Ewedu/Ooyo / Oyoyo / Jute
O sun / O sun / Weep

Adodi and Adofuro are the same thing, and are still one word meaning the one who engages in anal intimacy, where then do lesbians come in?
Mynd44:
We already know this na so she should come with something else.

It is interesting the in Yoruba there are no words for apple, pineapple and even onions (alubosa from etymology shows that it was adopted and changed for easy pronunciation) yet there are two distinct words for being gay.

You have words like adodi and adofuro meaning being homosexual has always had some place in yoruba history but what is not clear is if it was outlawed but then again, there has never being historical evidences to show anyone was punished for it.

But then again, it is never seen that people practiced it in the open either by marriage or it was socially accepted but it existed.


As for the cross-dressing, popular musician Obesere has been wearing female clothing on stage for tears so Bobrisky's antics does not even surprise me. I guess what changed is the attitude and seeming feminity of Bobrisky that draws attraction to him

2 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by dadavivo: 7:09am On May 10, 2018
Jaynom:
Shallow Mind ... Sango never knew what a Trouser was! Roman soldiers wore "skirts", from d time of ABRAHAM to Jesus Christ they wore ROBES or "Gowns". Well done sir!
Oga leave Romans out of Afonjas matter.

5 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by SAD007(m): 7:11am On May 10, 2018
HeWrites:
A Ghanaian LGBT historian took to her twitter TL to share a research paper released by a Nigerian that suggested that homosexuality reigned supreme in Yorubaland pre-colonialism.

Read what she shared below;
"Homosexuality wasn't alien to pre-colonial Yoruba societies. Cross-dressing Sango initiates, a tale of how Orunmila was conceived through lesbian sex & proverbs describing homosexual intercourse defy arguments that homosexuality was introduced by the white man into Yoruba society"

Culled from; https://www.torimill.com/2018/05/homosexuality-wasnt-alien-to-pre-colonial-yoruba-sango-was-a-cross-dresser-historian.html

Lalasticlala Mynd44 Dominique
When you Don't have a good job. you start digging shits, you have smoke OMO historian nko, He-is-a-tori-yan nii.. mchewww.

1 Like

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Nobody: 7:12am On May 10, 2018
no comment before i join the league of lazynigerianyouths
Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by omojeesu(m): 7:12am On May 10, 2018
Homosexual practice cuts across all cultures whether practiced openly or not, accepted or not, punished or not.

God who created sexual intercourse for man however says it's unacceptable. Period.

2 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Ayohbk(m): 7:13am On May 10, 2018
orogodoganyin:
the same sango that had three wives? it was his last wife that plaited his hair as a show of affection between the... if any historian is saying something contrary to this, he/she can't be doing good in the field

The problem with people like you is that you don't read to understand. You just do garbage in , garbage out. The historian n never said Sango is homosexual, but a cross dresser . A cross dresser is someone that dresses as the opposite sex e.g bobrisky . And as you said yourself Sango had his hair plaited and also other things that qualified him as a cross dresser

3 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Archangel15: 7:14am On May 10, 2018
Bobrisky Denrele Erun, Bisi Aliimi I am not surprised that Afonjas have a great number of gays

3 Likes 1 Share

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Reelectbuhari: 7:15am On May 10, 2018
5thElement:




A lot of ignorant people online today.


There's no doubt that every culture in the world had/has these homosexuals.


Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa are not strangers to these acts.


The question is, was it socially acceptable in Yoruba land?


Calling someone by the name "adofuro" is a big slur. A huge insult that could get you killed if you mistakenly call some innocent person that way.


In fact, homosexuals were always closeted so as not to be labelled that.


So insinuating that homosexuality was part of Yoruba culture is ignorance at its peak.


Sango dressed the way he did because that was what was in vogue. You didn't expect him to be in suit and tie did you?


How about Igbo men that tie wrapper? Are they all cross dressers too?


The lesbian that wrote that article claiming orunmila was a product of lesbian sex should go and conceive a baby with her lesbian partner and lets see how that'll come about.


There is no justification for homosexuality. The great Roman empire was great until the men diverted into perverted homosexual relationships. That marked the beginning of the end of the Roman empire.


For the Igbos jumping up and down on this thread, I think you should ask your parents the Igbo word for @ss-fvcker. I'm sure you aren't naïve enough to believe that homosexuality and lesbianism didn't exist in Igbo land too, what with the women possessing abundant male hormones enough to make them look masculine and very hairy.






such a hatred and obsession for igbos.....

u just leave the topic and be calling igbo igbo up and down....


the Op said sango and orunmila are gay and lesbian......u now leave the topic and start accusing others.....are u for real or have u smoked cheap weed or condemn tyres......


ur ancestors are gays and lived a sodomic life which why gays is prevalent in yoruba land....and part of their culture.....and u are here calling igbos......

Bobrisky is good example though joined with over 65% of una population that are gays....

Lesson learnt.....

sango is a gay and orunmila is lesbian....
gay is part of yoruba culture
therefore all yoruba are gays

advice

learn to stick to subject topic and stop deviating.....

7 Likes 1 Share

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Adetaiwoo: 7:15am On May 10, 2018
From the paper it is fair to say that the researcher has completely misunderstood the intent of the message in the saying.
A cursory look at the word suggests that it is new and not a proverb because in Yoruba etymology proverbs are not direct they are codified word therefore doesn't meet proverb criteria.
Furthermore the word "adodi" doesn't necessarily mean lesbianism or gayism, it's a known fact that Yoruba employs use of euphemism when it comes to naughty talks therefore the said word is still used for straights who pursue female underpants.
Let it be known that ORUNMILA was not just a mystical figure he actually graced this world and he is said to come from one of the towns around Oke-Ogun region in present day Oyo state and he's deeply scientific and he knows that like charges repells and unlike charges attracts this informs the basis of his philosophy (life is union of opposites).
In conclusion it is very wrong to accept that Homosexualism has been in existence in Yoruba culture. It's not just insulting it's in fact criminal.

3 Likes

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Nobody: 7:15am On May 10, 2018
Rickyuzzy:
Yuval Noah Harari reminded the world in his spectacular book, Sapiens, last year. Anything that can happen is by definition natural. If two women can find a way to sexual pleasure, then by the obvious evidence nature already allows it. If a man can wear what we now call ‘female clothing’ and not fall down and die because of it, then it is by nature natural. Nature allows a massive spectrum of possibilities, he reminds us; it is us humans that limit the possibilities with our fears, taboos and phobias, not nature.

But let’s still investigate the word ‘natural’. Is there anything intrinsically positive about the Natural? In the first few centuries after Christ, it was very natural for a man to have 14 children and to lose more than a dozen of them to disease, and it was very natural for bacteria to wipe off millions of people because there was none of the medicines we have now. Those were very natural. And yet here we are now, as a race, having overcome those challenges, because we found ‘unnatural’ ways to fight nature through medicine. Indeed, humanity has spent the past two million years, since man discovered fire, fighting and running away from ‘nature’. We build houses to escape the rain. We buy shaving powder to get rid of the natural hair that grows on our chins and armpits. And we have unnatural caesarian operations because sometimes nature is careless, thoughtless and pointless.


I'm sure you're not aware that there is a word for something that is not natural. It's called unnatural.


I'm also sure you don't know the meaning of the word natural. I'll leave you to do a proper homework on that.


Quoting someone who is also ignorant of the definition of natural isn't really a smart thing to do.

From your point of view, a father inserting his penis into his 1 year old daughter is natural because it can happen. Right?

Sir, you are ignorant. Change your homosexual ways. It is UNNATURAL.

10 Likes 2 Shares

Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Ayohbk(m): 7:15am On May 10, 2018
SAD007:

When you Don't have a good job. you start digging shits, you have smoke OMO historian nko, He-is-a-tori-yan nii.. mchewww.

There's a popular saying that "a man who fails to know his history, .. ............... . . .... " . Stop promoting ignorance
Re: "Homosexuality Wasn't Alien To Yoruba; Sango Was A Cross Dresser" - Historian by Truthcat: 7:16am On May 10, 2018
Only a greatness can be compared to another greatness.
dadavivo:
Oga leave Romans out of Afonjas matter.

2 Likes 1 Share

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (Reply)

Olu Of Warri's Crown Stolen, Police Declares Two Princes Wanted / Olori Naomi Oluwaseyi Ogunwusi And Her Sisters / Emir Sanusi Leads Friday Prayer At Old Kent Mosque In London(photos)

(Go Up)

Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health
religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket

Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10)

Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 66
Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland.