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Doctors To Embark On Nationwide Strike Over NUC’s PhD Directive / JOHESU Set To Embark On Indefinite Strike / Strike: "JOHESU is Selfish, They don't know what they want" must read!! (2) (3) (4)
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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Hairyrapunzel: 3:20pm On May 11, 2018 |
emmanuelex1:You still don't know jack. E pain you. Pharmacist wanting to claim physician. You are still not the same with a physician. Want to lie about developed countries when you don't even know how it is done. |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Babybush: 3:38pm On May 11, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel:U don't have any ideal of what happens in a community pharmacy |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Hairyrapunzel: 4:21pm On May 11, 2018 |
Babybush:Community pharmacy isn't management of a Patient or making diagnosis. Pharm D is still not the same as being a medical doctor who doesn't perform surgeries. Go to developed countries and ask how they do things. You want to sell your drugs and make money that's why you practice the wrong thing in Nigeria. In saner climes a community pharmacist will not dispense drugs if patient doesn't have a doctors prescription apart from OTC's . In some countries a pharm D can "review prescription ". You as a pharmacist can only intervene when the patient has been diagnosed and put on a prescription by a doctor. Nigerian pharmacists just want to make money that's why you guys say you are medical doctors and prescribe drugs when no diagnosis is made. You guys contribute to the large number of deaths in this country. By the time Patient gets to the hospital it's already too late to intervene. 3 Likes |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Babybush: 5:03pm On May 11, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel:So Pharmacists also contributes to all the surgical equipments uv been forgetting inside the patients body after each surgery 1 Like |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Jman06(m): 5:05pm On May 11, 2018 |
Hairyrapunzel:Where in my post did i state that I'm a medical doctor?? Point it out or forever remain silent. I don't know the use of a stethoscope yet I used it during my physiology practicals and wrote exams on it and passed. Just imagine the kind of argument you lots make, yet you claim you are smart! What we are saying is simply that you should not think that you are more important in the hospital setting than other healthcare professionals because just like you relate with the patient through diagnosis or surgery, so does a pharmacist relates with the patient through drugs and a nurse relates with the patient through nursing and the list goes on, and at the end of the day the patient becomes the ultimate beneficiary of the team work. It is rather the insecure Nigerian medical doctors that try to usurp other professionals roles. 1 Like |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by portable4real: 5:21pm On May 11, 2018 |
I have been a silent follower on this most of the comments have read on this thread just force me out of the silent mode. People shouting doctors, doctors, please even as a citizen I fear Nigerian doctors. And someone will come and say we should not talk about their misconduct here. I have encountered so much in their hands and whenever I have relatives visiting the hospital I do make sure I find every opportunity for them to see someone I know his or her competency has no doubt. most of Nigerian doctors belongs to killers association. 3 years ago, my grandma had fever and I suggested they should took her to the hospital. UITH.. ok,,to cut the story short,after all assessment and physical examination , she had a BP of 140/90. Antihypertensive was prescribed, as a student Nurse I told my mum she should hold on the drug that how come Dr just made a diagnosis of hypertension on first visit despite no pointer from her history. I sacrifice to took the reading twice a day alternating it for a week. the constant BP was 120/80. we didn't follow d Dr prescription. I just treated her for malaria. what made me to do so? I do pity some Pt on d ward cos some eventually die as a result of drug side effects and we are shouting Doctors as if they know all... Ok to my ordeal as a patient. anytime I have clinic during antenatal I make sure I took my folder to a well-known Doc or I just forget about clinic for the day. During my delivery I was unfortunate in their hands again. A pad was stucked deep inside me just because the Dr wanted to suture me then, he forget to remove it and despite the pain and all the complained I was making then, he didn't take it serious. I had to call the doc even after discharge cos I wasn't feeling well. Not until I pleaded to someone to a colleague to come and check me at home and we discovered the pad wasn't removed. this was after 8 days. And yet you are here ranting Nurses can not work independently. Another one did a bad suturing for me after my second child. I was in pain for more than 10 days. with analgesics and antibiotics. Not until I called a Aunt also a doc to help me check whay went wrong. She had to loose all the sutures, and I felt relieved. i asked what the problem was and she just asked me who did it in the first place. And I was told it wasn't done properly. To come to think of it. I know my right as a Nurse. And this people are committing the blunders on me. But I just let it go because I can't and I don't want to be the one behind anyone's failure in life. this Doc are not houseofficers, they are reg. So those of you saying that Nursea cannot work without your order, it is a big fat lie. Have worked in privates and it is Nurses that does majority of the work. except surgery. Nurses will even prescribed and all the docs will do is to document it in their report.. Also, in the teaching hospital where I was trained, I appreciate the Nurses their cos they savea the life of most patient in the surgical wards by implementing new ways and intervention in wound healing without the Doc knowing cos of they knows, let their blunders strike on patient and it is their Nurse enemy they will blame.. I as a person never applied for Medicine. Nursing is my calling. And am proud to be irrespective of the working condition. So 6 Likes |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by yassinattah(m): 5:45pm On May 11, 2018 |
dammiecool:Hey you stop exposing ur ignorance,in real hospitsl setting there are Drs that their area of specialisation is clinical pharmacology of which they can equally do the work of a pharmacist and even betterself,its just that they are not well recognised. |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by mankan2k7(m): 5:53pm On May 11, 2018 |
Doctors are d problems occurring in the health sector, a reasonable government would have take d bull by the horn and restructure d health sector. Health sector will he in disarray as long as they are made d minister and cmds. Health sector needs a professional health administrator 3 Likes |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by yassinattah(m): 6:00pm On May 11, 2018 |
kowalsky:My brother help me tell them 1 Like |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by TempoJames(m): 6:06pm On May 11, 2018 |
JOHESU is already a failure! Yes, I agree they make up 95% population of health sector but one inteligent head is better than 9 dumb heads. Imagine their chairman was very proud to say "we want to show the FG that we make up 95% of health sector". JOHESU war will just end up as Biafra agitations and will lead to choas among its members when they come back with unmet demands. If these demands are obtainable in the top 20 countries with best standards of medical practise I wouldn't be arguing here. Check the CMD and HODs in Hodgkin hospital. We are short of doctors . Else JOHESU could know that the health care can operate functionally without them. The only people that could survive the revolution are pharmacists as doctors are not licensed to operate a pharmacy. Physiotherapy is a heck in Nigeria. Even Registered nurses indulge in physiotherapy.Doctors can chart TPR,dress wounds, prepare patients for surgery,autoclave instruments and all those stuffs. Recruit as many residents in pathology as possible then medlab sci. could know they are not indispensable. Recruit as many residents in radiology as possible. Only then could JOHESU know that doctors are all round. Doctors don't just want to take their work. Doctors are just worried about nothing. Increase of salary will even be to doctors' favour. Only then could the relativity makes much sense. Imagine if a medlab sci. earns 200k and a doc earns 300k then FG decides to increase it by 20%. Automatically med lab sci. could earn 240K while a doc earns 360k. you see the relativity shifts from 100k to 120k. So doctors should even support Johesu but on grounds that any increment will be to both parties. The aspect that is totally unobtainable is the issue of consultancy. It will only amount to heirachical rivalry in superiority of decision to patients' management. If the public health sector breaks down. Doctors and Pharmacists will survive in the private sector but it will be harsh for other allied field. A pharmacist will survive in his/her pharceutical shop/company but the bitterness in the sector will result in bizzare laison between docs and other allied fields. Ofcourse doctors will boom in their private clinics. If they want to use only pathologists in their medical laboratories the medlab sci. will only go jobless. Ofcourse Docs can replace nurses if only they are willing to stoop low and work. Radiologists can fill up the Radiology dept. Physiotherapists may still be needed but can still be replaced afterall physiotherapy is a heck in Nigeria. If docs chose not refer their patients to private laboratory and then make that of private clinics cheap. The health scientist will suffer abjectly in Nigeria. JOHESU is not an issue. They will come back divided especially when their demands are unmet. I have never seen a policeman as chief of defence staff. The position automatically belongs to the Army. I wonder why paramedics chew more than they can bite. 4 Likes |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MIKOLOWISKA: 6:10pm On May 11, 2018 |
shullamite:Where is the excess food How many doctors How many jobesu is this Canada |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MIKOLOWISKA: 6:10pm On May 11, 2018 |
SuperS1Panther:rivalry is what brings innovating |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MIKOLOWISKA: 6:12pm On May 11, 2018 |
obi4eze:i thought it was politicians,no policemen,no nepa officilas |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MIKOLOWISKA: 6:14pm On May 11, 2018 |
AbuadStudent:this is not nowhere It is Nigeria |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MIKOLOWISKA: 6:16pm On May 11, 2018 |
ubergold:why not Who send Dem message Nobody cares about your work Its your output that matters Less see how the doctors will work without johesu staff supportung them |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MIKOLOWISKA: 6:23pm On May 11, 2018 |
dechriscool:ehn make d dictor go collect file by hisself,ptescribe and Administer drug Shebi na him be Lord and savior |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by yassinattah(m): 6:26pm On May 11, 2018 |
hydeka:And so what ? ,if there are diabetic pharmacist specialist,U see ur judgement alone depicts the fact that just because there's a particular field were a pharmacist is more knowledgeable abt Antidiabetics such as oral hypogylcemics and incretin mimetics etc has made u conclude that what is even there in being a medical dr self, Well Diabetes is a multisystemic disease that its not only by knowing the drugs,effect and potency and given drugs d@ proves d fact that u have mastered the art oo,there is more that beats the eye.criosly there's a wide knowledge gap. In short u havent even made a genuine point that i can comprehend and understand. |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Babybush: 6:41pm On May 11, 2018 |
Lagos State approves Pharmacist consultancy cadre 2 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by optm(m): 6:43pm On May 11, 2018 |
TempoJames:u are just ill informed. those med drs dt own private hospitals, hv u seen any employ a pathologist to run its lab? why don't dey employ their colleagues to do d work of nurses in their hospitals? if they cant do that in their private hospitals, why claim such can be applied in govt hospitals? isn't dt akin to being mischievous? secondly , in line wit best practices, consultancy in oda health professions outside medicine is encouraged and countries where this is obtainable have a very functional health system and there isnt disharmony amongst their health workers. gets urself informed and stop misinforming d public out of ignorance 1 Like |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by tope2013(m): 7:13pm On May 11, 2018 |
As a seasoned public servant, my heart bleeds whenever I read what you young ones with no experience come to social media to post. I am not a member of JOHESU but look at this objectively, a fresh medical officer enters the public service at grade level (GL)12 while pharmacist and lab sci enter on GL 10, nurse on GL 8....how can these salaries be the same? doctor's call duty allowance is 4% of his basic salary while pharmacist's call duty is 2% of his basic salary...now how can 4% of GL 12 be same with 2% of GL 10? Nurses collect shift duty allowance, how can a meagre shift duty allowance of GL 8 be the same with 4% of GL 12? A medical officer who enters on GL 12 as resident and becomes a fellow after 4 or 6yrs is upgraded to GL 15 ..it takes a pharmacist minimum of 12 yrs to get to GL 15 and nurse minimum of 18 yrs to get to GL 15. NMA is really not helping the Nigerian health sector. 3 Likes |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by tope2013(m): 7:24pm On May 11, 2018 |
yassinattah:Am sure this guy is a comedian that can't differentiate between Pharmacology and Pharmaceutics & Pharmaceutical Technology. We can why things are getting worse 1 Like |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by tope2013(m): 7:25pm On May 11, 2018 |
Franklyly: As a seasoned public servant, my heart bleeds whenever I read what you young ones with no experience come to social media to post. I am not a member of JOHESU but look at this objectively, a fresh medical officer enters the public service at grade level (GL)12 while pharmacist and lab sci enter on GL 10, nurse on GL 8....how can these salaries be the same? doctor's call duty allowance is 4% of his basic salary while pharmacist's call duty is 2% of his basic salary...now how can 4% of GL 12 be same with 2% of GL 10? Nurses collect shift duty allowance, how can a meagre shift duty allowance of GL 8 be the same with 4% of GL 12? A medical officer who enters on GL 12 as resident and becomes a fellow after 4 or 6yrs is upgraded to GL 15 ..it takes a pharmacist minimum of 12 yrs to get to GL 15 and nurse minimum of 18 yrs to get to GL 15. NMA is really not helping the Nigerian health sector. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by hydeka: 7:40pm On May 11, 2018 |
yassinattah: Because you just can't understand it! Go and enlighten yourself |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by emekatheo: 7:54pm On May 11, 2018 |
hydeka: Don't mind the yeye doctors that don't know that paracetamol and panadol are the same drug. Those ignorant and half baked doctors saying Nigerian Pharmacists are just dispensers will almost poo on their pants and start kicking against it with the help of their CMAC any time the issue of Pharmacist Ward Rounds comes up. They don't want the Pharmacist to open up their illiteracy. If only the Nigerian hospital Pharmacist can start documenting all the medication\precription errors from the hands of these half baked doctors, they will actually see the number of morbidity and mortality they are causing. God save us in this country. Amen. 3 Likes |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Topshow2010(m): 8:17pm On May 11, 2018 |
MY RESPONSE TO THE ENEMY OF JOHESU 1. What is the meaning of the word `medical´ when it is used to refer to a group of profesional? 2. Are Physicians (they are being called ``doctors´´ which is an honorary title. Only PhD holder is fit to be called a `doctor´) not Health Workers? 3. Who do they refer to as ``non-medical professionals´´? Nurses, Pharmacists, Medical Laboratory Scientists or Physiotherapists? 4. Who is fit to head health sector? Physicians have been heading health sector but it is still a shame that Nigeria Health Care Delivery is ranked one of the lowest. 5. Who should determine the wages or salary? Government or Physicians? 6. What profesional courses are needed to be qualified as a ``medical profesional´ that Nurses, Medical Lab Scientists, Physiotherapists and Pharmacists have not ben exposed to during their undergraduate and post-graduate programs? 7. Can any health professional work in isolation? If No, how should each be paid? Based on input/output or grandiose salary scale? Physicians are not the head of other professional workers. We are all equal contributors to the health care delivery. To think otherwise is a Delusion of Grandiosis. WE ARE YET TO GET IT RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY AS CITIZENS. PUBLIC SHOULD BE WELL INFORMED THAT PHYSICIANS ARE NOT THE HEAD OF ANY OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL (Nurses, Medical Lab Scientists, Physiotherapists and Pharmacists,Radiographers). Their position is purely ARROGATORY. 1 Like |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Nobody: 8:45pm On May 11, 2018 |
Nigeria I hail unaí ½í¸ |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by ocelot2006(m): 9:34pm On May 11, 2018 |
optm: Okay tell me, which of these roles/professions that make up JOHESU are as rigorous as Medicine & Surgery? Go on, I'm waiting. |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by ocelot2006(m): 9:36pm On May 11, 2018 |
optm: Abeg list the professions that make up JOHESU that are as rigorous as Medicine and Surgery. SIMPLE. |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Jman06(m): 9:50pm On May 11, 2018 |
yassinattah:You are the one exposing your ignorance! Have you no shame What does a clinical pharmacologist know about drug production Tufiaaa!!! Nigerian medical doctors are the most ignorant and insecure people i have ever seen! I would not educate you on the difference between pharmacology and pharmacy so that you will continue to expose your ignorance for the whole world to see. |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by optm(m): 10:10pm On May 11, 2018 |
ocelot2006:one's position on which is more rigorous wld nt hold water until he/she hs gone tru d trainings in al d professions nd only den would such submission as to which is more rigorous b justified. 1 Like |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by MrEgghead(m): 10:23pm On May 11, 2018 |
Topshow2010:I can sense hatred and vile contempt from your comments. I feel so bad when so called "educated peope" display their foolery and gross ignorance on social platforms. Just to exonerate your egocentric opinions you went ahead to disgracing yourself by alluding physicians are not fit to hold the title 'Doctors". I know your type; You were not intelligent enough to get medicine, hence, your blatant loathe for the profession. You even went as far in a bid to vindicate your assertions by making a rather myopic and deluded statement that the decadence in the health is as a result as Doctors being the heads of health care institutions as if there's any sector that is working properly in the country. Medical Doctors will always be the leaders in the health sectors, albeit the art of healing is multifaceted. Doctors should never sabotage the efforts of others toward career progression but I'm vehemently against parity in remunerations and other benefits; it's ridiculous, preposterous and grossly unacceptable anywhere in the world. 1 Like |
Re: NMA Threatens To Embark On Strike If FG Yield To The Demands Of JOHESU by Hairyrapunzel: 10:39pm On May 11, 2018 |
Jman06:Still doesn't change the fact that you don't know the uses of a stethoscope. What is paining you now is because I said pharma D holders are not equivalent to medical doctors who don't perform surgeries lol. Is it by writing exam on stethoscope? Use it na Open your big mouth and be propagating falsehood. You guys contribute to the high mortality rate we have in this country . Do the right thing for once. Always lying to people that pharm D holders do the same thing doctors who don't do surgeries do. Liar. Ordinary Murmur you can't even grade and you say you can do what a physician can do. Mtcheww |
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