mediclife1987:


I'll be damned if this makes front page....

Deltayankeeboi:
THANK YOU SIR. GOD BLESS YOU. I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED

Deltayankeeboi:
you sound frustrated. and you don't sound like one who has an atom idea in the medical field so i guess you have no idea what this thread is all about but emotional adrenaline rush caused by frustration pushed you to make such a foolish comment which should not be coming from a graduate and with all certainty, i guess you are not one. your ignorance is pardoned.

AngelicBeing:
My friend who was earning peanut as a Doctor in Nigeria, first left to the middle East, he got a job and the starting salary was 1.2million per month which to me was a peanut considering what other doctors are earning, he later wrote some exams, I think it is called Plab or so, as I post this, he got a fantastic offer in England, he is working with a hospital in England and doing very well, when you point out the pitfalls of working in a shithole jungle, they will call you names, if you are a medical doctor and you are still working in Nigeria, Na you sabi

DABMarkNig2019:

You're running away because it's an insult to you having consultant pharmacists. I can assure you that you'll kill yourself when you get to work with consultant pharmacists in the place you're running to.
I do wonder why these doctors think that specialisation is an exclusive preserve of medical sciences. For those that care to know, there are also many area of speciality in pharmacy practice.

osazsky:
teacher oys teach me,when u did ur IT in lit education, ur six months IT wasn't counted ba

IbnIbrahim:
It was the night of December 22, 2002. I was rushed to the University College Hospital (UCH), Ibadan. I was terribly sick; the hospital had no oxygen as at the time I was admitted, and I was severely low on oxygen. I missed a date with death by a few seconds. I needed a miracle and God showed up — it was a medical miracle.

My packed cell volume (PCV), which is the volume percentage of red blood cells in blood, was at five percent, about seven times less than what was expected. I was medically damaged. I had suffered in the days leading to this eventual admission. I was only 12.

I remember all that pain and trauma like it happened yesterday. The sickness was not all that was wrong; the tears flowing down my strong mother’s eyes broke my spirit. My father braved it all, but I knew he was hurt beyond words. My favourite aunt, was a nurse at UCH, she helped in ways she could, and periodically told me to be strong. She too was torn beyond words. My family was in pain, and I was the cause of it. I blamed myself.

I was one of the eldest children at Otunba Tunwase Children’s Emergency Ward. I was not scared of death, but I was scared of the pain it would put all these people through. The money my parents had spent, the love my siblings had shown, the care my aunt and cousins showered to this dying boy — I was scared of letting all that go to waste. So I fought for my life, and begged that God kept me strong and healthy for them. I survived, thanks to God and his messengers, who were in the form of skilled doctors.
My survival was made possible through the seasoned hands and steady minds of the likes of Professor Yetunde Aken’ova, Dr. Taiwo Kotila and many other medical specialists who beat the conditions of their employment to save lives in Nigeria’s under-served hospitals.

Based on this, and some other social experiences, Nigeria is personal for me; it is not my ambition to see a better Nigeria, it is a calling, a responsibility. So when I am making demands on government and policymakers to act on one issue or the other, I am not being political, I am not trying to be correct, I am just simply asking that they put facilities in place to make Nigerians need fewer miracles.

THE CRISIS ON OUR HANDS

Today, President Muhammadu Buhari is in the United Kingdom, treating an unknown ailment. I want to believe it is not just because he is president. As a former head of state, if he was not president today, and he takes ill, he would most probably go to the same doctors in the UK — because he has little or no faith in our medical system, and then we may not blame him as much as we do today.

But Buhari is really not my worry today. My grouse is with the system that produces his ilk.

There is a crisis in Nigeria’s healthcare system, and for today, my focus will be on the doctors. As far back as 2010, World Bank data have shown that Nigeria has one doctor to 2,531 people. The World Health Organisation prescribes one doctor to 600 people. The likes of Mexico, Mongolia, Australia, United States, United Kingdom, Italy, Spain and even Libya meet the WHO requirement. And many of them do so on the backs of Nigerian doctors abroad.

This means that the Nigerian doctor works at least four times more than his counterpart in any of these countries and earns way less than they do. The numbers are even worse today. We have about one doctor to over 6,000 Nigerians.

There is, therefore, no reason to wonder why a poll conducted by NOI polls and Nigeria Health Watch in 2017 found that 88 percent — almost nine in 10 — Nigerian doctors were actively seeking an opportunity to go abroad to practice. At the time the survey was conducted, a majority of Nigerian doctors were — and are currently — registered for medical exams like PLAB in the UK, USMLE for the United States, MCCE for Canada, AMC for Australia and DHA for Dubai. Most of our best minds are leaving!

5,264 NIGERIAN DOCTORS WORKING IN THE UK

Most recently, Chief Emeka Anyaoku, former Commonwealth Secretary-General, said 4,795 Nigerian doctors were currently working in the UK. Making specific reference to July, 2017. According to the UK General Medical Council, holding data on doctors in the UK, 5,250 Nigerian doctors were working in the UK as at April 25, 2018.

Checking the same data today, May 5, 2018, that number has grown to 5,264 — an increase of 14 doctors in 10 days. Africa Checks has shown that an average of 12 doctors move to the UK every week! Every seven days — or five working days — 12 Nigeria-trained doctors move to the UK!

After the same order, thousands of Nigerian doctors are working in the US, Canada, Australia, United Arab Emirates, and many other nations of the world. More than half of the 72,000 registered doctors in Nigeria now work abroad.

A LAND WITHOUT DOCTORS

In 2017, a friend of mine, who is a fresh doctor from UCH, told me about his plans to move to Canada by 2018. I attempted convincing him to stay, and was making some progress until I said: “Nigeria needs you”. He laughed and said “Nigeria does not need its own president, so how will Nigeria need him, an ordinary doctor”. This was at the time the president was in the UK for medical care.

Recently, I asked him some questions, and while answering, he said: “What is a doctor doing in Nigeria?”

And that is my question today: What exactly is a doctor doing in Nigeria? When he can get 10 times his Nigerian pay by moving to Canada, US, UK or UAE, to do almost 10 times less work! What exactly is a doctor doing in Nigeria, when the government will call him names, and ask him to respect the Hippocratic oath when the same government has not respected the oath it swore to the people?

What is a doctor doing in Nigeria, when he knows what to do to save a life but is handicapped by the absence of oxygen, blood, sterile needles, and the very basic needs of his profession.

I think of what would have happened to me if the likes of Professor Aken’ova and her team of young doctors were not available that night in December 2002. Your guess is as good as mine. So today, I ask that Nigeria must act, lest she becomes a land without doctors


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Delivar:
Those countries Nigerian doctors run to can't accommodate an infinite number of doctors continuously pouring in from Nigeria. When it gets to saturation point Nigerian doctors will find something doing in Nigeria by force.

DABMarkNig2019:

You're running away because it's an insult to you having consultant pharmacists. I can assure you that you'll kill yourself when you get to work with consultant pharmacists in the place you're running to.
I do wonder why these doctors think that specialisation is an exclusive preserve of medical sciences. For those that care to know, there are also many area of speciality in pharmacy practice.

osazsky:
and u think medicine ends after 7years ,do u know what it takes to b a consultant get updated

Acidosis:


His starting salary was 1.2 million because the Naira is worthless. If you fix the Nigerian naira, that your friend will find his way back to Nigeria.


Gosh! I wish I can take Buhari's sit in Aso rock for 4 years.

Fearcom:


Your stupidity and foolishness is on display for all to see. Anyway, Face your calling which is to save lives What government pays other health workers doesn't concern you. Whether they want consultancy status or not doesn't concern you( Lagos State Government has approved Consultancy status for other health workers and very soon the FG will follow). The power of the circular NMA signed with Government in 2014 has been eroded because NMA isn't a registered union so government won't answer you. Stay there and be ranting

Deltayankeeboi:
okay sir but i think it's utme not ume

DABMarkNig2019:

You're running away because it's an insult to you having consultant pharmacists. I can assure you that you'll kill yourself when you get to work with consultant pharmacists in the place you're running to.
I do wonder why these doctors think that specialisation is an exclusive preserve of medical sciences. For those that care to know, there are also many area of speciality in pharmacy practice.

lol plenty areas, a doctor can only boss over a pharmacist in the hospital, outside the hospital they know who's the Boss

utenwuson:
doctors want pay rise, johesu want pay rise, ASUU want pay rise, NASU want same, civil servant want rise in minimum wage, everybody wants something big..... all is government driven, the country u want to tell all naija doctors to go is private sector driven, if u can't manage the little amount here why study here in the first place,? government don't have money to fund all these customers we mostly don't even pay taxes, the president should as a matter of fact send a bill to National Assembly that if u study here u must work here at least ten years.... to me 300k for a federal government doctor isn't a small thing compare to what other civil servant are earning, bring a medical doctor doesn't mean u must be a billionaire overnight.

MrBigiman:


Johesu want the same salary scale with Medical Doctors. It's easy to claim entry point distinguishes them but let's look at exit point. A lab Scientist at 55yrs probably now at the highest grade does nothing but order Juniors around, yet a General Surgeon who has put his life on the line still does rigorous calls and theatre sessions at 58yrs. The stupid, insane and unbelievable new demand means that a lab scientist, Nurse and neurosurgeon at the same grade level should earn the same, despite not having the same
responsibility, this is a shame, and the Country will pay for considering these Buffon's and clowns called Johesu. Nowhere in the world is this stupidity condoned. The average hourly work rate of each professional the world over can be browsed, in all cases the doctors' comes top.

My advice for Junior doctors is to run as far as ur legs can take u, this is the best time. Don't look back, doctors are hot cake and don't limit yourself to a shithole country.

Peace

Mr Bigiman.

dominique:
Honestly I ask myself this question whenever I visit my private hospital and see the extremely overworked underpaid doctors looking exhausted most of the time. I ask myself that are these doctors aware that all it takes to get them out of this hellhole is to just take a board exam and apply for visa to a first world country where they will get better pay and less workload? What exactly motivaties them to remain in this country? Docs in the house, let's hear from you.

MrBigiman:


When I we needed to get into school. We were 5 friends. For reasons best known to God I was quite brighter, but we all wanted to do medicine. 2 went on to to Zoology, 1 ended up in Nursing after jonsing in his pre-degree course and another did Lab science, yours faithfully was close to 1st 50 in that program of nearly a thousand and became a doctor. I switch on to Facebook and I see this dude getting nurse leadership award and ranting about health awareness everywhere, he also talks about equity and justice, and I wonder where the problem comes from. U where too dumb to pass pre-degree and now u are smart enuf to ask for equal pay? Judgement day is coming and no Johesu member will be spared.

xamuelotu:
u don't get rich by earning salary. ask urself why do consultant that are being paid almost half a million still complain of not earning enough? is because there compare themselve with other doctor abroad. let say ur a doctor in uk and u earn 10k which is about 3.7mil by the time govt start taxing u for ur car, house, u start buying expensive item here and there u will realise that there is little different b/w here and there. I think the issue is our govt inability to pay our doctor other bonuses like earn allowance,overtime, etc

AngelicBeing:
l disagree, Doctors are highly paid with good incentives in the Middle East and all over the Western world, that 1.2million is even a peanut because he just started the job in a very small medical facilities, prior to his leaving Nigeria, he was earning 150,000 per month in Nigeria, if he had worked for one year or more he would have been earning more than that, in that same middle East, some Doctors earn over 3million per month depending on the facilities, your areas of specialisation etc Nigeria Doctors working in Nigeria are not well remunerated, Abeg leave matter jare, he is not coming back to Nigeria again, he vowed never to come, who will be in paradise and prefer to come back to hell

chara019:
the f***.and so other health workers need to be bowing down to doctors?
why not oversee over every activities in health sector,and let's see how doctors would carry on.
To say how pathetic it was,seeing a medical student,a finalist not able to rightly place the cuff of a sphygmomanometer,dude got inducted some months later,so much for staying in med school for 7 years.

Babybush:

Please if u find any sense in this post let me no

Acidosis:


His starting salary was 1.2 million because the Naira is worthless. His real earning was 15000 dirham (in UAE) until he converted to the worthless Naira. If you fix the Nigerian naira, that your friend will find his way back to Nigeria.


Gosh! I wish I can take Buhari's sit in Aso rock for 4 years.