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Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 4:45pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01:Snow has a creator? Little beings working in a factory in the sky dropping small drops of ice cold water perhaps? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 4:53pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01: Show me the creator of snow. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by CAPSLOCKED: 5:52pm On May 13, 2018 |
dalaman:I WANT TO SEE THIS PERSON AS WELL.. AND KICK HIS FACE FOR DECIDING TO NOT SEND SNOW TO NIGERIA. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 6:34pm On May 13, 2018 |
dalaman:What creation is this? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 6:41pm On May 13, 2018 |
budaatum:No, snow is part of the Creation. Snow is created when small ice fragments in clouds stick together and fall to the ground. Stop being sarcastic, I asked the fella a simple question. Have you seen creation without a creator? He went ahead to give an example, fulgurite, a byproduct of creation, just like snow, just like goosebumps. Hell even tears are not created. Have you seen creation without a creator? 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 6:42pm On May 13, 2018 |
dalaman:created Ice crystals create what we know as snow ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 6:43pm On May 13, 2018 |
CAPSLOCKED:Is there a person? ![]() |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 6:46pm On May 13, 2018 |
budaatum:Are stones not supposed to be small rocks? I've forgotten the process of rock formation I learnt while younger, but rocks are formed right? ![]() |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by hopefulLandlord: 6:47pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01: How do you determine what a "Creation" is? 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 6:50pm On May 13, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:in my opinion, the result of a process. 2 Likes |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by CAPSLOCKED: 6:52pm On May 13, 2018 |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 7:03pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01:Are they formed by a creator? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 7:06pm On May 13, 2018 |
CAPSLOCKED:Relax... |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 7:07pm On May 13, 2018 |
budaatum:Like goose bumps, tears, snow, smoke ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 7:13pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01:No I have not seen "creation" without a "creator". But I have seen things that exist without a creator. And I repeat, a rock. I see a rock exists, but I cannot honestly say I saw a creator creating rocks. And its process of formation does not include a creator. It would even be dishonest to call a rock, a creation of a creator as rock formation does not require such an external agent to occur. In effect, I have seen things in existence that have not been created by a creator. A rock. 2 Likes |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 7:16pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01:How do you determine what a "Creator" is? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 7:22pm On May 13, 2018 |
budaatum:Honestly bro, I believe you bro, I've never had to admit this but I will; I never saw a creator creating my Honda accord, neither can I honestly say that I saw a creator creating the smoke that emanates from the exhaust pipe. I fully admit that the exhaust smoke, just like stones or goosebumps do not directly require a creator. I also agree to a large extent that you might have seen things that have not been directly created by a creator, but what I can strongly suggest is that everything in existence is product of Creation forms. Goosebumps are not directly created, thy are more like by products of creation, just like stones or smoke or snow. They are all major or minor effects, to which there are causes. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 7:22pm On May 13, 2018 |
budaatum:The cause of a result. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 7:27pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01:So, in the process of a rock forming, would you say, what caused the formation of the rock is the creator? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 7:29pm On May 13, 2018 |
budaatum:I'd rather say its a by product of creation just like the exhaust smoke analogy I just gave. When we go into details, its an indirect result of creation, and creation always requires a creator. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 8:19pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01: Ice crystals created snow abi? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 8:59pm On May 13, 2018 |
dalaman:resultant effects of coalitions of ice crystals. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 9:22pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01: Ogbeni are ice crystals the creators of snow? Yes or no? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 9:32pm On May 13, 2018 |
dalaman:Are goosebumps anyone's creations? 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 9:51pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01: From ice crystals to goosebumps? ![]() |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 10:02pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01:Listen to what others are saying a bit. True, anything that is created requires a creator. It's not yet agreed that everything that exists is created by a creator. Work with dalaman to flesh this understanding out please. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 10:07pm On May 13, 2018 |
winner01:I too have not seen a Honda Accord created. But I can find out if it was, how it was, where it was, and who created it, easily. I can, if I am so concerned, even go watch a Honda Accord created by a creator, from scratch. There does not seem to exist, the evidence for the creator you mention though, or that everything that exists was created. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 10:12pm On May 13, 2018 |
budaatum: He should tell us when he saw the oceans been created. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 10:17pm On May 13, 2018 |
dalaman:Or at least tell us the process by which it was created. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by MuttleyLaff: 3:02am On May 14, 2018 |
budaatum:You have a GSOH dalaman: budaatum:6Yahweh created the heavens by His command, the sun, moon, and stars by His spoken word. 7He gathered all the seas into one place; He shut up the ocean depths in storerooms. - Psalm 33:6-7 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by M0ron: 6:53am On May 14, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Wise man |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by hopefulLandlord: 6:56am On May 14, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Spoken word created Honda too I think you're better off talking to winner01 though, he's comparing creation of cars and "creation" of oceans even though its obvious they aren't the same thing! Cars are created ex-materia (from preexisting materials like rubber, iron ore etc) while he's implying Oceans are "created" ex-nihilo then conflating the two like they're the same, can winner01 give us anything he has experienced being created ex-nihilo? or maybe something being spoken into existence? 4 Likes |
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