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Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by MuttleyLaff: 7:13am On May 14, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Yup, created a scene and fist-fight out of nothing Cooked up a scrumptious dish out of nothing The universe was created out of nothing The waters (i.e. oceans) is "creatio ex-materia" 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by Butterflyleo: 7:19am On May 14, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: There is no creation without a creator. Its that simple. Be it by spoken word or as a by product of something else. There is nothing that was caused to exist by something else that isn't a creation of that thing. Its simple law of cause and effect. Be it rocks which are formed through a process, the creator are those which came together during the process to form the rocks or an ocean or oceans and seas which scientists speculate were once in gaseous state and then when the earth cooled it turned to rain and filled the places where they are as oceans and seas. That must have been one hell of a downpour to have caused such massive bodies of water which somehow also got buried deep down in the earth and saturated it because the inside of the earth is also filled with water. There is no creation without a creator. Even the by products of this creation still points at a creator which made or formed them. Nothing on this earth exists on its own. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by Butterflyleo: 7:23am On May 14, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Their entire line of questioning is a farce. Even science based on the law of cause and effect mocks and guffaws at their line of questioning but can they see the foolishness in their questions and supposed uncreated things being mentioned? I seriously doubt that. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by hopefulLandlord: 7:24am On May 14, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Then why compare them to Honda? we can go to Honda factory and witness Honda cars being created from scratch, can he take us to this "ocean factory" and show us oceans being created? Spoken word indeed, here I am thinking Mbombo vommitted the world from his stomach or FSM magicked the everything into existence 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by Butterflyleo: 7:35am On May 14, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: This is how scientists claim oceans came about The ocean formed billions of years ago. Over vast periods of time, our primitive oceans formed. Water remained a gas until the Earth cooled below 212 degrees Fahrenheit . At this time, about 3.8 billion years ago, the water condensed into rain which filled the basins that are now our oceans. If you are a true deep thinker you would clearly see the holes in the above quote. But would you be honest enough to declare them is another issue. "Water remained a gas until the earth cooled" where was this gas contained in such magnitudes without clouds? So these massive gases stuck around until the earth which is a circumference size of 39,931 km cooled down and then the gases condensed and came down as rain. I wonder why they did not condense before the earth cooled down and rather waited until the earth cooled down. Logic is applicable everyday, everywhere and only those honest enough would point out their own flaws. ------------- Butterflyleo May 14, 2018 © 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 10:57am On May 14, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:But some say, "first there was a cosmic egg made up of two balanced opposites: yin and yang. The egg held P’an Ku, the divine embryo. P’an Ku grew until the egg could not hold him, causing the shell to burst. So P’an Ku went to work right away making the world, with a hammer in hand. He dug out valleys, made way for rivers, and piled up mountains. But the earth was not complete until he passed away. It wasn’t until death that his flesh became soil and his bones the rocks. His eyes became the sun and moon and his head the sky. From what was once his sweat and tears was now rain and the fleas that covered his body became mankind." So, which is true and why is it true? 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 11:43am On May 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: The oceans points to which creator? Can you point to the creator of the ocean? Remember you said people should always proof their assertions. Point to the creator of the oceans. Where is your proof that words create anything? How do words create things? What are we to do with this mythical and fictitious LIE you are throwing around? A LIE imagined and invented by ancient people which you are here confidently regurgitating like a drone. You should stop throwing mythology around and expect to be taken seriously. So Yahweh's words created the oceans and things abi? Why not his ejaculation. You guys are not serious. 3 Likes |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 11:49am On May 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: You can use your "deep thoughts" to critically analyze what scientist say about how the oceans came about but you can not use the same "deep thoughts " to analyze ancient mythology and fiction that says some imagined entity spoke the oceans into existence abi? How did your God speak the oceans into existence? When did the Hebrew language turn to a creative force? How does language create things? You believe in ridiculous ancient magic but claim to be a "deep thinker", when it is ancient unknown Hebrew men that believe in riduculous magic that have finished thinking for you 4 Likes |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by hopefulLandlord: 11:50am On May 14, 2018 |
dalaman: They're conflating theological claims with scientific ones. I'll take their claims serious when they create Honda cars with spoken words 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by RuthlessLeader(m): 11:53am On May 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: And why do you think this creator is the god of Christianity(a god that “chose” a certain people over all others and helped them to murder other people, men, women, and children, who were just as good and honorable, tells you that one of two things is true- either that god doesn’t exist or he doesn’t deserve to be worshiped, and if it’s the latter, we are f*cked). since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 11:58am On May 14, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: They keep throwing ridiculous mythology around and expect to be taken seriously. They shut down their brains and accept ancient and primitive magical explanations but claim to use their brains when scientist try to theorize or give hypothesis on how they feel things came to be. They should use spoken words and mould a clay man let's see. Yeye dey smell. 3 Likes |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by hopefulLandlord: 12:07pm On May 14, 2018 |
dalaman: Its called "god of the gaps", they look for something we haven't been able to explain (properly) then insert their favourite mythology as the explanation and hope you take it at face value 3 Likes |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by Butterflyleo: 12:15pm On May 14, 2018 |
Trust and loyalty being the final arbiter for logic stands superior to logic so can only guide logic in the direction it does not trust and isn't absolutely loyal to. When it ever does apply logic to itself it does this as a means to further prove itself trustworthy and loyal because its foundation is already trusted and loyal in the eyes of the one doing the application. ----------- Butterflyleo 2018 © Cc vaxx you are free to borrow the above quote whenever you encounter a debate on logic. This is the nitty gritty of every atheist and theist argument and every atheist ----> theist and theist ------> atheist conversion. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 12:48pm On May 14, 2018 |
budaatum:Not everything directly requires a creator, I gave perfect examples of exhaust smoke and goosebumps. It will be inaccurate for me to say someone created smoke. I think the long and short of this argument is that there is no effect without a cause, and last I checked, science agrees with this. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 12:50pm On May 14, 2018 |
budaatum:it is much more believe that the Honda accord was formed over millions of years. Everything that exists is the effect of a cause. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 12:50pm On May 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:But before you do quote it, consider the following: An argument from authority, also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam is a form of defeasible argument in which a claimed authority's support is used as evidence for an argument's conclusion. It is well known as a fallacy, though it is used in a cogent form when all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 12:52pm On May 14, 2018 |
dalaman:the oceans are effects of a cause. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 12:52pm On May 14, 2018 |
budaatum:Really? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 12:54pm On May 14, 2018 |
winner01:Don't get this. Why believe Honda Accord was formed over millions of years? Are you suggesting it evolved into being? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 12:56pm On May 14, 2018 |
winner01:Are causes and creators the same thing, in your opinion? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 12:58pm On May 14, 2018 |
winner01: What created the oceans? Answer with evidence and not empty assumptions. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by Butterflyleo: 1:04pm On May 14, 2018 |
budaatum: Honda accord was caused and also created into being. The cause / creators --- the minds of the inventors of motor parts, body designs, functions, motion, etc all came together to contribute tweaks and improvements which ended up with the Honda accord. Those whose minds imagined and practicalised this vehicle were themselves caused by something else. Just like winner01 said, a first cause can cause a ripple effect which brought about other effects which, if without the first cause, such ripple effects could not have existed or have been created so in truth all that came about via the ripple effect owe their existence or creation to the first cause for without it there is no them. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 1:17pm On May 14, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Fantastic!!! |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 1:20pm On May 14, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:I can create a scene or a living with spoken words. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 1:22pm On May 14, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:If mysterious activity defies nature right now in your presence, I'm sure you'll say " well science has not found this out but it will", is that not atheism of the gaps? I've heard several atheists use this line and I'll open a thread on it soon. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 1:24pm On May 14, 2018 |
budaatum:No, it is you people who are suggesting that the human brain, much more complex than the latest Honda series, evolved into being. There is no evidence to support it. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by hopefulLandlord: 1:24pm On May 14, 2018 |
winner01: Do that and let's see |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 1:26pm On May 14, 2018 |
budaatum:Causes create effects. That's an accurate statement bro. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by Butterflyleo: 1:26pm On May 14, 2018 |
winner01: Absolutely, fantastically, AMAZINGLY RIGHT! Despite claiming to be an agnostic and an "I don't know" merchant he still pulls the atheism of the gaps delusion. |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 1:27pm On May 14, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Budaatum, dalaman, hopefulLandlord and co. Why don't you get the whole point even after its been beautifully simplified like this |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by winner01(m): 1:30pm On May 14, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:A.Y, a comedian in Nigeria, has created a living for himself and his family using spoken words. I can also go to Aso rock with a few thugs, and chant "death to Buhari", this will cause a scene. Are you with me? |
Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by dalaman: 1:31pm On May 14, 2018 |
winner01: What caused or created human beings? How can we know that your answer is objectively true and not based on lies or empty assumptions? |
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