We all know that Russia and the USA are the two
major world powers. They are always trying to
outsmart each other. They are also the two countries
with the most powerful military forces in the world.
So I've been pondering this question; In a
hypothetical war fought using conventional weapons
(no nuclear or atomic or chemical or bio weapons),
Who will win?? Can Russia win against the USA?

I'll like to know your opinion on this thought provoking question

cc lalasticlala dominique mynd44

Have read so much about this. Since you said assuming Nuclear weapons are not involved, then the winner will depend on the aggressor. Russia don't have what it takes to invade America. They will be seriously dealt with. Same thing with America. Because of the distant, it won't be possible for US to invade Russia. Russia has what it takes to resist and incur terror on invaders. But if its Nuclear war, then the US will definitely Win.

What makes you think that the USA will win if it is a nuclear war? Have you forgotten that Russia has more nuclear weapons than the USA?

cc masinga07

Actually its not really straight forward like that but I made my prediction based on the fact that US have most advanced missile defenses in the world. While the Russia have RS-24 ICMB that made it possible to hit anywhere in the US, The US also have Minuteman III ICBM. I will like you to read about US Minutemen III rockets. So while I don't pray for Nuclear war between the 2 countries cos the result will be devastating for both sides, I still personally feel US may have edge cos they are aggressive and that's probably the only way you can win the Nuclear war especially between US and Russia. But to be sincere both countries will become history if they decide to go for Nuclear war

That's definitely sure. It's the basis of Mutually Assured Destruction(MAD).

Do you know that it's more difficult to invade Russia than to invade the USA?


cc masinga07

masinga07:
but I made my prediction based on the fact that US have most advanced missile defenses in the world.

Amerika has the most advanced MDS in the world, yet her allies such as Turkey & Saudi Arabia are queuing up to buy Russia's S-400.

Who are these kids?

Zoharariel:


Amerika has the most advanced MDS in the world, yet her allies such as Turkey & Saudi Arabia are queuing up to buy Russia's S-400.

Who are these kids?

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Maybe America isn't willing to sell its own MDS


Remember d case of the F22 Raptors

Well Nuclear weapons or Chemical weapons are not the only things that can significantly influence the result of a war between the US and Russia. More decisively it would be Alliances..

A declaration of war against US is an automatic declaration of war against 28 NATO nations of the world which includes France, UK, Italy which have very significant fire power. Also the alliances of the US gives them a global spread of their Naval, Ground and Air operations. The most significant of those alliancesthat would impact the war would be Poland, Turkey and the Baltics which gives US the ability to station its forces to attack and breach the Russian federation in a shorter time frame than Russia could.

Lastly America's annual expenditure at $700 Billion(avg) is more than that of the next four highest spenders on defense which makes america a truly deadly force.

On Ground Forces I would say the Americans have more experience than the Russians due to their several military activities across the world.

At Air Force they are both at par

At Naval power I think I would still give it to the Americans.

HigherEd:
Well Nuclear weapons or Chemical weapons are not the only things that can significantly influence the result of a war between the US and Russia. More decisively it would be Alliances..

A declaration of war against US is an automatic declaration of war against 28 NATO nations of the world which includes France, UK, Italy which have very significant fire power. Also the alliances of the US gives them a global spread of their Naval, Ground and Air operations. The most significant of those alliancesthat would impact the war would be Poland, Turkey and the Baltics which gives US the ability to station its forces to attack and breach the Russian federation in a shorter time frame than Russia could.

Lastly America's annual expenditure at $700 Billion(avg) is more than that of the next four highest spenders on defense which makes america a truly deadly force.

On Ground Forces I would say the Americans have more experience than the Russians due to their several military activities across the world.

At Air Force they are both at par

At Naval power I think I would still give it to the Americans.

They are not at par on airforce at all. USA has the largest aircraft fleet in d world.

HigherEd:
Well Nuclear weapons or Chemical weapons are not the only things that can significantly influence the result of a war between the US and Russia. More decisively it would be Alliances..

A declaration of war against US is an automatic declaration of war against 28 NATO nations of the world which includes France, UK, Italy which have very significant fire power. Also the alliances of the US gives them a global spread of their Naval, Ground and Air operations. The most significant of those alliancesthat would impact the war would be Poland, Turkey and the Baltics which gives US the ability to station its forces to attack and breach the Russian federation in a shorter time frame than Russia could.

Lastly America's annual expenditure at $700 Billion(avg) is more than that of the next four highest spenders on defense which makes america a truly deadly force.

On Ground Forces I would say the Americans have more experience than the Russians due to their several military activities across the world.

At Air Force they are both at par

At Naval power I think I would still give it to the Americans.

Even with full intervention of NATO, one thing am sure of is that they can't successfully invade Russia

bazkid24:



They are not at par on airforce at all. USA has the largest aircraft fleet in d world.

Well I was referring to the capabilities of their jets, rather than the number. In numbers I presume the USA outnumbers Russia in everything....

HigherEd:

Well I was referring to the capabilities of their jets, rather than the number. In numbers I presume the USA outnumbers Russia in everything....

Everything except for the amount of nuclear arsenal

Let me recommend a novel for you guys.

It's a novel about world War 3 fought without nuclear weapons. Though it been since it was published, it still makes for a fascinating and engrossing read.


Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy

Too much movies is not good for one's intelligence..

Boring:
Too much movies is not good for one's intelligence..

Who is talking about movies


Find me something that have said that's not true. I don't just open my mouth n talk without knowing facts

bazkid24:
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Maybe America isn't willing to sell its own MDS


Remember d case of the F22 Raptors

Stop making assumptions please. THAAD has been deployed to South Korea.

https://www.google.com.tr/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/thaad-deployed-south-korea-2017-9

Difference Between S-400 & THAAD

S-400:- S-400 is Developed By Russia And It is Most Advanced Defence System in The World. It Can Engage 36 Targetes at a Time. It Can Destroy Aircrafts, Can Hit Missiles, Drones, Aircraft etc. according to Some Exports S-400 is capable to Destroy A F-35 Fighter Jets Which is Most Advance And Powerful Fighter Jet in The World So it is Very dangerous.

THAAD:- It is A useless Defence System Developed By USA. Only Difference is That it Cannot Destroy Jets. It Can Destroy Missiles.

Amerika hasn't produced any ADS that can compete with S-500.

Zoharariel:


Amerika has the most advanced MDS in the world, yet her allies such as Turkey & Saudi Arabia are queuing up to buy Russia's S-400.

Who are these kids?

Sorry o elder. The fact you are pro russia doesn't mean you are knowledgeable. Russia has S-400 but I bet you have never heard of MIM-104 Patriot missile system in your life. So Turkey queuing to buy it makes it superior? Why not talk about other countries like Germany, Israel, France like that and the one they are using. Oniranu oshi

Zoharariel:


Stop making assumptions please. THAAD has been deployed to South Korea.

https://www.google.com.tr/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/thaad-deployed-south-korea-2017-9

Difference Between S-400 & THAAD

S-400:- S-400 is Developed By Russia And It is Most Advanced Defence System in The World. It Can Engage 36 Targetes at a Time. It Can Destroy Aircrafts, Can Hit Missiles, Drones, Aircraft etc. according to Some Exports S-400 is capable to Destroy A F-35 Fighter Jets Which is Most Advance And Powerful Fighter Jet in The World So it is Very dangerous.

THAAD:- It is A useless Defence System Developed By USA. Only Difference is That it Cannot Destroy Jets. It Can Destroy Missiles.

Amerika hasn't produced any ADS that can compete with S-500.

Lol, bro maybe you should have done more research

Check this out - - https://www.quora.com/Which-is-a-more-efficient-missile-defense-system-the-S-400-of-Russia-or-THAAD-of-the-USA

bazkid24:
Let me recommend a novel for you guys.

It's a novel about world War 3 fought without nuclear weapons. Though it been since it was published, it still makes for a fascinating and engrossing read.


Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy

And who published this CIA sponsored novel? Amerikan nationals or Russian nationals?

I will wait until Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Yemenis, Iraqi, Afghanistani, Libyan, Somali & North Korean citizens publish their own account of the WW3 in a novel.

This is 2018 and not 1993. Zero tolerance for propaganda & exaggeration bruh!

Which is a more efficient missile defense system, the S-400 of Russia or THAAD of the USA?


THAAD hands down.
Better Kill Vehicle and interception mechanism (Hit to Kill).
Little chances of Nuclear warhead detonation.
Less susceptible to radar countermeasures.(Chaff).
Faster interceptor.
Imaging infrared guidance provide better target discrimination in space(identifying actual warhead in a group of decoys).
Unlike S-400, THAAD is a dedicated ABM system.
Much less cumbersome deployment, An operational THAAD battery has 3 launchers, fire control and radar. S-400 requires loads of support vehicles.

cc Zoharariel

Zoharariel:


And who published this CIA sponsored novel? Amerikan nationals or Russian nationals?

I will wait until Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Yemenis, Iraqi, Afghanistani, Libyan, Somali & North Korean citizens publish their own account of the WW3 in a novel.

This is 2018 and not 1993. Zero tolerance for propaganda & exaggeration bruh!

Am not using this novel as a yardstick or anything. What I used it for is that it makes good reading. Where did you see me say dat everything written there is fact?

bazkid24:



Lol, bro maybe you should have done more research

Check this out - - https://www.quora.com/Which-is-a-more-efficient-missile-defense-system-the-S-400-of-Russia-or-THAAD-of-the-USA

Can you read at all?

There are obvious differences between these two systems, though they are both capable of intercepting incoming ballistic missiles.

(Sorry for the Chinese characters on the image)
This is the radar and guidance systems for THAAD, and that system is composed by an AN/TPY-2 X-band AESA radar. THAAD is specially designed to intercept long-range missiles (IRBMs or ICBMs) at either before or during the early phase of their reentry, which means their radar systems and system controls should be able to detect targets from long distance (1,200 kilometers for objects with 1 square meter RCS). This forced the size of such system to be relatively large.
Also, with such a specific goal, there are other missiles and fighter aircrafts enlisted to provide anti-aircraft fire, there is no need for THAAD to worry about airborne threat. Therefore, it cannot intercept anything other than ballistic missiles, and relies entirely on friendly units for protection.

S-400 is a whole different thing. Its ability to detect and destroy incoming ballistic missiles is considerably weaker than THAAD. However, as a conventionally designed SAM, it can effectively target incoming aircrafts or other targets while transmitting target information to other less advance friendly anti-aircraft units (such as S-300s). Its maximum range of 400 kilometers allows it to strike before the incoming aircrafts enter the range of their anti-surface weapons. Obviously, THAAD is not capable of doing that.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-difference-between-S400-and-THAAD-missile-defence-systems

bazkid24:



Who is talking about movies


Find me something that have said that's not true. I don't just open my mouth n talk without knowing facts

No need to en-vision or analyse something that's never gonna happen. And probably when is does we won't be alive to tell the tale..

So that's why I said it only happens in the movies

Zoharariel:


Can you read at all?

There are obvious differences between these two systems, though they are both capable of intercepting incoming ballistic missiles.

(Sorry for the Chinese characters on the image)
This is the radar and guidance systems for THAAD, and that system is composed by an AN/TPY-2 X-band AESA radar. THAAD is specially designed to intercept long-range missiles (IRBMs or ICBMs) at either before or during the early phase of their reentry, which means their radar systems and system controls should be able to detect targets from long distance (1,200 kilometers for objects with 1 square meter RCS). This forced the size of such system to be relatively large.
Also, with such a specific goal, there are other missiles and fighter aircrafts enlisted to provide anti-aircraft fire, there is no need for THAAD to worry about airborne threat. Therefore, it cannot intercept anything other than ballistic missiles, and relies entirely on friendly units for protection.

S-400 is a whole different thing. Its ability to detect and destroy incoming ballistic missiles is considerably weaker than THAAD. However, as a conventionally designed SAM, it can effectively target incoming aircrafts or other targets while transmitting target information to other less advance friendly anti-aircraft units (such as S-300s). Its maximum range of 400 kilometers allows it to strike before the incoming aircrafts enter the range of their anti-surface weapons. Obviously, THAAD is not capable of doing that.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-difference-between-S400-and-THAAD-missile-defence-systems

You would do well to remember that you were d first to compare them to each other

Boring:

No need to en-vision or analyse something that's never gonna happen. And probably when is does we won't be alive to tell the tale..

So that's why I said it only happens in the movies

Who told you it's never gonna happen

masinga07:

Sorry o elder. The fact you are pro russia doesn't mean you are knowledgeable. Russia has S-400 but I bet you have never heard of MIM-104 Patriot missile system in your life. So Turkey queuing to buy it makes it superior? Why not talk about other countries like Germany, Israel, France like that and the one they are using. Oniranu oshi

Abi werey leleyi niii? Mim-104 Patriot that is obsolete? It can only be compared with S-200 or maybe Pantsir-S1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFJ1qQjNFI

kids everywhere

zohorariel n highered, you guys are bigger than this............


.........No amount of weapons, money and alliances can make one win a war as there are so many variables at play especially in our deep interconnected and entangled world that even expert military strategist are most time confused............quick reference: The Korean War which ended in stalemate

Moreover only three countries have the capability that are game changers in today's power balance..........arming satellites and ability to shoot low-orbit satellites out of space namely USA, Russia and China

BTW Russia deployed S-500 in Moscow and St Petersburg some months ago......hence the sanctioning of sale of S-400 which the Chinese have already gotten theirs, India have placed order while Turkey and Saudi Arabia are queuing for some battalions.

Zoharariel:


Abi werey leleyi niii? Mim-104 Patriot that is obsolete? It can only be compared with S-200 or maybe Pantsir-S1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFJ1qQjNFI

Ori e lo daru. You think you are intelligent but you are exact opposite. MIM-104 obsolete indeed. You have lost touch with reality seriously.

masinga07:

Sorry o elder. The fact you are pro russia doesn't mean you are knowledgeable. Russia has S-400 but I bet you have never heard of MIM-104 Patriot missile system in your life. So Turkey queuing to buy it makes it superior? Why not talk about other countries like Germany, Israel, France like that and the one they are using. Oniranu oshi

comparing a 1981 tech to 2007 tech mumu of the highest order!!

THAAD:Designed 1987 Manufacturer Lockheed Martin Operational range >200 km Speed Mach 8.24 (2.8 km/s) vs S-400: Manufacturer Fakel Machine-Building Design Bureau Operational range 400 km speed mach 14