salvation101:
who should we believe, Jesus or you? Jesus said he was not a spirit and you are saying he was or alu know better? Infact when they saw Jesus they thought it was a spirit and were afraid , the same way they acted the day he walked on water but he told them not to be afraid for he was the one..

36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

R we supposed to accept whatever you are saying just because u r a jw member? Bible says even if its an angel that brings another gospel, we should reject it

salvation101:
this is just like you asking how Jesus walked upon water, how he knew wat Zacheus said, how he knew the woman that touched him for a miracle etc.. Its a supernatural event.

salvation101:
you are contradicting scripture. The Bible said he didn't see death and you are trying to explain that away of didn't d Bible say he didn't see death? Moses saw death nd its recorded in scripture but Enoch never did. Secondly, Elijah too was taken by an heavenly chariot, was he also buried

Riofidelio:
Sorry i'm not the one responsible for your lack of understanding! Go and present my response to someone else who will explain to you in the way you can understand, let them know your question and read the answer i've given i'm sure they'll know what questions should follow! Better still if you're not interested in all of these why not just walk away and go choose what you want to believe?

Riofidelio:
Sorry i'm not the one responsible for your lack of understanding! Go and present my response to someone else who will explain to you in the way you can understand, let them know your question and read the answer i've given i'm sure they'll know what questions should follow! Better still if you're not interested in all of these why not just walk away and go choose what you want to believe?

Reality12:


Serious, I guy don't be ridiculous. That i should pray to see one?

All i need is where i can get Awake magazine.

Hairyrapunzel:

I follow the bible and not mere man made interpretation of a verse. Where is the verse that said God's original plan is to renovate the earth?

Do you know you are arguing from silence?

salvation101:
The name of the God of the Bible is יַהְוֶה‬ transgrammation is YHWH pronounced as Yahweh. There is no where in history where the word Jehovah or yehowah appears before the 12th century. The word Jehova is a man made name gotten from joining two Hebrew words for the name of God wch are Yahweh and Adonai...

salvation101:
But i have a problem with people trying to deceive us that it is true name of God and others are fake. Every dialect has a name they call God but if you must call him by his original name then it has to be YHWH...

salvation101:
If Jehovah commanded your folks to withness for him, how come the first generation of JW were called Russellites instead of withnesses? Would you regard the first generation of jws including your founder as withnesses too?

salvation101:
Really? Then why did Paul the Apostle Preach to Ceasars household?
I hope you have 1tim1 in ur Bible
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. note
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Meanwhile, i noticed how you have avoided all the questions i asked up there..

salvation101:
interesting, so true Christian disappeared after the death of the Apostles? So the Apostles never had Faithful proteges? Paul didn't have Timothy?

1. May resentment for the lord's anointed not prevent you from understanding 2Thessalonians 2:1-7

The canon of scriptures you are using was decided upon by ur so called fake Christians..
2. (Actually, your fake cannon of scriptures were decided by fake Christians, and used by those who have no clue)


Secondly, you said Jesus came around and inspected different froms of worship and chose your folks cos dey are ever ready to adjust.. What were they worshiping before Jesus came? Am interested in knowing.. Then why are they always ready to adjust? I taught the Bible said the "forever oh Lord your word is settled in heaven", why does yours need adjustments from time to time?

2. Who was who worshiping before they came? - The catalyst of the Spanish Amamda or the culprit of the second world war? mtcheewww

Riofidelio:
That's the most sensible question i've been expecting from you my friend! We're not happy hearing that people will die but because God promised that there will be relief, total peace and security on Earth after the destruction of the "evildoers".Psalms 37:8-11,29 Zephaniah 2:2/3 Only God can pronounce (judge) anyone as wicked or evil so HE has given US a field for training to meet up with HIS requirements,that's what Jesus came to establish as a counselor but Satan has initiated so many counterfeits to deceive people. Anyone not trained in that field can't have everlasting life yet not all those who are in the field will humbly accept the training many will loose hope because they're expecting God to act without consideration trying to set the time for the destruction so many even in the field will perish as well but nobody outside the field can survive the coming destruction! That's what JWs are claiming.Please we're not after the timing but we're ready to wait for God's own time! Micah 7:7 Even if we die while waiting, the young man from Nazareth promised US a resurrection! John 11:25/26

Riofidelio:
If you're not ready to learn from Jesus you can't have everlasting life! He wasn't stupid when He said "Go and make disciples" Please it's the ONLY way you'll continue to gain insight, that's why Jehovah's witnesses are ahead of you in the understanding of the scriptures. Malachi 3:16-18 said those practicing pure worship during the end time will be "speaking with one another" "God will command angels to write down their names" "it's the sign to distinguish between those worshipping the true God and those not worshipping HIM" It's by going from house to house, preaching and teaching people the little you know that your ability to advance in knowledge and wisdom will be awakened and strengthened! Otherwise you'll continue to read stories in the Bible with nothing in your brains to offer others than always praying for material things that you cherish so much! So what's the difference between you and pagans who also pray to their deities for their wants? It's the wisdom that will give you the impetus to go out to preach and teach with boldness and efficacy.Please if your faith isn't moving you to do the preaching and teaching work then it's dead just like that of the pagans! James 2:26

enimooko:
What is Jah

Riofidelio:
Jesus Christ is the key to the knowledge of God and anyone who wants to gain that knowledge must be willing and humble! Enoch was saying things that's annoying his wicked contemporaries and God did not want them to spill his blood as Cain did to Abel,so for him not to suffer in the hands of those evildoers something must be done! After the earth has been cleansed with the flood life bagan again with a peaceful and humble family of Noah but all those who died before expending their time must wait till the Messiah opens up the road for resurrection during His kingdom. That's why Matthew could see in a vision that the resurrection hope has been confirmed immediately Jesus gave up that faithful day! Matthew 27:51-54 That's the hope for All the Holy prophets who died before the Messiah including the thief impaled beside Jesus, some are even confused saying that thief will go to heaven when he's neither born by water nor spirit

enimooko:

Some people also say the below:

"Jah or Yah (Hebrew: יהּ‬ Yah) is a short form of Yahweh (in consonantal spelling YHWH Hebrew: יהוה‬, called the Tetragrammaton), the proper name of God in the Hebrew Bible.[1] This short form of the name occurs 50 times in the text of the Hebrew Bible, of which 24 form part of the phrase "Hallelujah", which is actually a two-word phrase, not one word."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jah

enimooko:
See argument oooo. Thank God you're not evangelizing for God

enimooko:
interesting, so true Christian disappeared after the death of the Apostles? So the Apostles never had Faithful proteges? Paul didn't have Timothy?

1. May resentment for the lord's anointed not prevent you from understanding 2Thessalonians 2:1-7

The canon of scriptures you are using was decided upon by ur so called fake Christians..
2. (Actually, your fake cannon of scriptures were decided by fake Christians, and used by those who have no clue)


Secondly, you said Jesus came around and inspected different froms of worship and chose your folks cos dey are ever ready to adjust.. What were they worshiping before Jesus came? Am interested in knowing.. Then why are they always ready to adjust? I taught the Bible said the "forever oh Lord your word is settled in heaven", why does yours need adjustments from time to time?

2. Who was who worshiping before they came? - The catalyst of the Spanish Amamda or the culprit of the second world war? mtcheewww

enimooko:
What you don't know is that for stealing from the congregation some people were excommunicated and taken to court bu some of the project managers who they tried to defraud.....so these once are always 1. Resentful and 2 Bitter.
So like @salvation101 and @Hairyrapunzel (Golden Rapunzel)the main aim is NOT to learn or understand differing views but to get-back at the Church and anything related.

salvation101:
you see, you are the one disparaging my knowledge of scripture but wen i do same you scream persecution.
Why do u even assume you are the only ones that go about from door to door to preach? You boast about knowledge of scripture but have to borrow ideas to make the scripture say what it doesn't say. Scripture is is to be interpreted with scriptures and not with ur knowledge or biase. I can boldly tell you that pentecostals have won more souls than you guys this year alone so what r u saying? Dey do not go out to preach?

enimooko:
Men who don't have a clue about "spirit leading" and any anointing from the Devil or from God are always pretending....this is the worst opium. Worse than religion. I am searching for where you have following the bible.....

salvation101:
the writer of Hebrews boldly stated dat job didn't see death u are trying to explain the Bible away. Show me the place in scripture that says Enoch was buried by God. Shikenan

enimooko:
See argument oooo. Thank God you're not evangelizing for God

Riofidelio:
These are the questions they want to use in delaying US not to reach honesthearted and humble ones who are ready to learn! Who can help them to understand that "Bible students","Christians" and "Jehovah's Witnesses" all means the same thing in the Spirit realms? Who will tell them that Jehovah chooses names that's irritating to the world but sounds good to angels in the Spirit realms? Who will tell them that all the Enemies of God's people are ONLY against Jehovah's name? Come on my brother let's sing songs 57 & 61

Riofidelio:
Where is Enoch,Moses and Elijah now? since Jesus said heaven ONLY belongs to the Born Agains adding that He's going to prepare a place for them whereas God's promise to all righteous people formerly is everlasting life on Earth.Psalm 37:9-11,29 Matthew 5:3 Hmmmmmmmmm well if you must know,what you're hearing are part of the things the Holy Spirit will teach Christians but it can be explained from the Bible ONLY for humble ones who are willing to learn and understand what they can't grasp easily on their own! Jesus told those loyal,humble and honesthearted Jews following Him that the "Elijah" Malachi talked about is John the Baptist(Malachi 4:5,6) but what or who can convince the Pharisees who won't humble themselves when hearing something they noticed is facts? Because they'll continue to ask Jesus "show us where the scriptures said 'John is Elijah'?" So till today their descendants are still expecting Elijah to come before the Messiah finally arrives! Sorry there's nothing we can do to help your situation.

deebrain:


Isaiah 55 vs 11. So is my word that out from my mouth, It will not return empty etc etc...

Meaning, any word God speaks, COMES TO manifestation.

Hebrews 4 vs 12-God's word being quick, powerful (it means containing force, ability) and a DISCERNER (interestingly) of thought and intention. The word is described like a person rather than a speech. Speeches can't discern things.They are spoken. Its Persons, Beings that can discern. ACTIVE WORD OF GOD.


Now see this...

Exodus 32

to paraphrase, Israel, due to delay of Moses ,goes into idolatry. God is furious.

Exodus 32 vs 10-13. God SAYS (He was talking and promising to do it in His anger) He is destroying everybody and will use Moses to start all over. AND MOSES IN VERSE 13 REMINDS GOD OF A COVENANT PROMISE---WORDS SPOKEN BY GOD to Abraham about the future possession by His people!

God relents to do what He said He wanted to do,GIVEN RESPECT TO HIS covenant promise. ACTIVE WORD. He throws away a statement made in anger to REGARD AN EARLIER PROMISE.
He relented from a literal statement out of anger for an active covenant declaration.



You can talk nonsense "unscriptural invention" and all that. For every descent response, I gave detailed scripture.

Silly thing.

Riofidelio:
You're right about the increasing figures in Churches Ma but one thing you're not getting is the fact that during the time Christians were increasing in number,they (Christians) were only paying attention to their own increase,whereas the Pharisees (their principal enemies) outnumbered them 100 times! True Christians aren't interested in crowd but fully competent and completely equipped members who can preach and teach with efficacy(2Timothy 3:17) so if we're just 200 in Lagos and everyone in Lagos can feel our presence Jesus said our preaching is to serve as a WITNESS to all the nations Matthew 24:14 So we're not moved with incapable CROWD!

Riofidelio:
Where is Enoch,Moses and Elijah now? since Jesus said heaven ONLY belongs to the Born Agains adding that He's going to prepare a place for them whereas God's promise to all righteous people formerly is everlasting life on Earth.Psalm 37:9-11,29 Matthew 5:3 Hmmmmmmmmm well if you must know,what you're hearing are part of the things the Holy Spirit will teach Christians but it can be explained from the Bible ONLY for humble ones who are willing to learn and understand what they can't grasp easily on their own! Jesus told those loyal,humble and honesthearted Jews following Him that the "Elijah" Malachi talked about is John the Baptist(Malachi 4:5,6) but what or who can convince the Pharisees who won't humble themselves when hearing something they noticed is facts? Because they'll continue to ask Jesus "show us where the scriptures said 'John is Elijah'?" So till today their descendants are still expecting Elijah to come before the Messiah finally arrives! Sorry there's nothing we can do to help your situation.

salvation101:

I wonder the Bible you read.
John 12:19 (KJV) The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
The major reason for jealousy from the Pharisees is because Jesus followers were increasing geometrically by the day. Hoe many people in that day could take a congregation of 5000 people away from the city into the wilderness or sea shore to preach to dem?

salvation101:
i asked you a simple question and yoy cant answer. God translated/transferred Enoch to where? If u say its the grave, show me from scripture. Whoever add to the word of God, the Bible says the plagues written will be added to him. By the way, why did u refuse to read the verse 10-12 wch also said heaven is for those who are persecuted for righteousness sake? Is it because it nullifies ur claim?