salvation101:
if we are to go by legalistic rule, then Pharisees would best describe ur folks. Legalism is not a new testament way but the way of the law.

It's right from the beginning that Jehovah made HIS people realize that there must be rules.Deuteronomy 27:9-26 The Pharisees on their own knew quite well that innocent,honesthearted and humble Israelites will continue to stick to those rules that's why they're heaping more loads of man-made rules on them. Matthew 15:1-6 But most of the people have liberated themselves from the Pharisees forming rival religious groups.Act 23:7,8 Jesus Christ came to reinstall pure worship so it still remains legalistic and compulsory but this time there is no more killing of those who chooses lawlessness,so if anyone agreed that Jesus is the Messiah the next question is "what are the rules that made His road narrow and cramped?" Matthew 7:14 Of course if it's rules aren't legalistic and compulsory the road will be wide to accommodate all sort of contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings. Matthew 7:13

Talking about ignorance of scripture, u sound very ignorant if u didn't know that starting from the early church, there wasn't agreement even among the disciples. Peter was the first to preach to gentiles by going to Cornelius house as commanded by God, the rest apostles scolded him but eventually later agreed. That not withstanding there was little outreach to the gentiles before paul came to the scene. The headquarters of the church was at Jerusalem where the other apostles remained but paul conquered almost the whole region of Asian minor. There was always disagreement between the Jewish Christians and gentile Christians, the apostles were even bias and paul openly rebuked peter.can dat happen in ur society? Paul and barnabas who were chosen to reach oit yo d gentiles end up separating, is that in ur Bible? Much of what remains of Christianity came out from Pauls ministry and we didn't hear about most of the Jerusalem apostles. Christianity is not about blind followership else it wouldn't be different from islam, Christianity is about knowing what you believe in and having a solid foundation in the faith. Not about rules being made from somewhere we av to follow and keeps changing like carmelion on skin

I do not know why quoting one particular person should always lead to antispam ban.

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm if you're still dwelling on the teachings of those divided followers of Catholicism called Protestants you can't understand Jesus' words at all. These people are divided because none of them is willing to humbly accept discipline, that's why Jesus likens them to goats! Remember goats don't follow orders,each goat goes on it's own stubborn mission immediately it's grown. That's very unlike the sheep that are always moving humbly towards the same direction. You said we're not allowed to draw conclusions about what the Bible is saying, yes it's true and it's the reason we're unitedly practicing the same thing globally unlike your own people who aren't ORGANISED and end up having no legalistic rule, if you're willing to know that's why Jesus said your numerous Pastors who feels each one can twist the Bible to start personal business leading to contradicting doctrines won't see God's Kingdom because they've rendered God's word (Bible) lawless in the sight of pagans. Matthew 7:21-23

at d mouth of two or three witnesses, the truth is established. U av just the witness of ur society, it can as well be termed false. Brainwashing is real, Muslims also believe dat all Christians are on d wrong path including jws.

Riofidelio:
It's right from the beginning that Jehovah made HIS people realize that there must be rules.Deuteronomy 27:9-26 The Pharisees on their own knew quite well that innocent,honesthearted and humble Israelites will continue to stick to those rules that's why they're heaping more loads of man-made rules on them. Matthew 15:1-6 But most of the people have liberated themselves from the Pharisees forming rival religious groups.Act 23:7,8 Jesus Christ came to reinstall pure worship so it still remains legalistic and compulsory but this time there is no more killing of those who chooses lawlessness,so if anyone agreed that Jesus is the Messiah the next question is "what are the rules that made His road narrow and cramped?" Matthew 7:14 Of course if it's rules aren't legalistic and compulsory the road will be wide to accommodate all sort of contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings. Matthew 7:13

in d new testament, we do not live a life of rules but a new life in Christ. Our good works is not a product of "touch not, tastes not, handle not" but a product of newness of life in Christ Jesus. Paul d apostle said concerning the laws he was perfect but wen he had an encounter with Jesus he saw his errors and called himself d chief of sinners. It takes more than legalism to be a Christian. If ur good works are not natural products of what Jesus has done in u but obedience to a set of rules nd dictates den its all filthy rags before God

Salvation102:
I do not know why quoting one particular person should always lead to antispam ban.

Thanks for saying what's in your mind, God bless you! Now let's take it one by one, first Peter has always been presumptuous so most times he does things the wrong way(Matthew 16:23,Galatians 2:11-14) but all of them were united despite the fact that they've not gotten all the facts about how Christianity should be until the Bible was completed! 1Corinthians 13:9,10 So they do argue back then because there wasn't a complete manuscript to guide them. Yet they still have a "governing body" that each and every Christian must go to take instructions. Act 2:42 Even Paul that you mentioned is going to all those regions according to the order from the Apostles and whoever disagree with him is considered a child of destruction! Act 17:10 2Peter 3:14-15 Today the Christian organization is stable with no such childish ways like it happened back then because we now have a complete book called the Christian Greek Scriptures(New Testament) so don't expect to see all those arguments that characterise the beginning of something that has not been firmly established in a written form! 1Christians 13:11,12 Today it's our LOVE for the things in that complete book (Bible) that's keeping the whole association of Jehovah's witnesses (True Christians) under one Umbrella (organization)! 1Christians 13:13

Riofidelio:
Thanks for saying what's in your mind, God bless you! Now let's take it one by one, first Peter has always been presumptuous so most times he does things the wrong way(Matthew 16:23,Galatians 2:11-14) but all of them were united despite the fact that they've not gotten all the facts about how Christianity should be until the Bible was completed! 1Corinthians 13:9,10 So they do argue back then because there wasn't a complete manuscript to guide them. Yet they still have a "governing body" that each and every Christian must go to take instructions. Act 2:42 Even Paul that you mentioned is going to all those regions according to the order from the Apostles and whoever disagree with him is considered a child of destruction! Act 17:10 2Peter 3:14-15 Today the Christian organization is stable with no such childish ways like it happened back then because we now have a complete book called the Christian Greek Scriptures(New Testament) so don't expect to see all those arguments that characterise the beginning of something that has not been firmly established in a written form! 1Christians 13:11,12 Today it's our LOVE for the things in that complete book (Bible) that's keeping the whole association of Jehovah's witnesses (True Christians) under one Umbrella (organization)! 1Christians 13:13

Oh, Peter was presumptuous.. Good to know. But he wasn't presumptuous when he went to Cornelius house ooo. He was being obedient to God and d others scolded him until he explained.
Do u realize that the bible you are talking about was compiled by people who existed long after the last apostle had died? 400AD. Do u agree that those who compiled the Bible did it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

Salvation102:
at d mouth of two or three witnesses, the truth is established. U av just the witness of ur society, it can as well be termed false. Brainwashing is real, Muslims also believe dat all Christians are on d wrong path including jws.

I'm warning you my friend not to sin against the Holy Spirit! Because if your logic is anything to go by then all that's written in the Bible could be termed as untrue! Why? Because everything was written by Israelites so why not someone from another race to show that the God of Israel is the true God? Again the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) was written by ONLY Christians,if we're to go by your logic someone outside their group should also join in writing the gospel before we can agree that Jesus is the Christ or Messiah not just Matthew Mark Luke and John all who happens to be His die hard followers. I'm sorry that your logic won't work!

Salvation102:
Oh, Peter was presumptuous.. Good to know. But he wasn't presumptuous when he went to Cornelius house ooo. He was being obedient to God and d others scolded him until he explained.
Do u realize that the bible you are talking about was compiled by people who existed long after the last apostle had died? 400AD. Do u agree that those who compiled the Bible did it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

Yes! God used them to compile the needed manuscripts for our salvation,they arranged it to chapters and verses for easier reference and that's a sign of God's Holy Spirit in action! Their errors doesn't mean that God didn't have a hand in what they did it's just to show that they're imperfect men and so there can still be mistakes that needed further adjustments.Of course the Holy Spirit will just operate on one person who will motivate other IMPERFECT humans to accomplish God's purpose yet due to imperfection they can't get everything perfectly as feelings can't be the same so the one upon whom the Holy Spirit is working will carry them along with the Spirit of mildness and self-control until God's time to correct the mistakes!

Salvation102:
in d new testament, we do not live a life of rules but a new life in Christ. Our good works is not a product of "touch not, tastes not, handle not" but a product of newness of life in Christ Jesus. Paul d apostle said concerning the laws he was perfect but wen he had an encounter with Jesus he saw his errors and called himself d chief of sinners. It takes more than legalism to be a Christian. If ur good works are not natural products of what Jesus has done in u but obedience to a set of rules nd dictates den its all filthy rags before God

Please if their shouldn't be dos and donts then what did Jesus meant by saying He will call some people men of lawlessness(workers of iniquity) Matthew 7:23

Riofidelio:
I'm warning you my friend not to sin against the Holy Spirit! Because if your logic is anything to go by then all that's written in the Bible could be termed as untrue! Why? Because everything was written by Israelites so why not someone from another race to show that the God of Israel is the true God? Again the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) was written by ONLY Christians,if we're to go by your logic someone outside their group should also join in writing the gospel before we can agree that Jesus is the Christ or Messiah not just Matthew Mark Luke and John all who happens to be His die hard followers. I'm sorry that your logic won't work!

do u even know what sinning against the Holy Spirit means? Do you know that denying the power of the Holy Spirit or calling a manifestation of the Holy Spirit to be demonic manifestation is sinning against the Holy Spirit?
The Bible says unto the Jews are committed the oracles of God and events of the bible are also supported by historical facts which is a second withness. Unlike urs wch can only be supported from within ur cycle.

Riofidelio:
Yes! God used them to compile the needed manuscripts for our salvation,they arranged it to chapters and verses for easier reference and that's a sign of God's Holy Spirit in action! Their errors doesn't mean that God didn't have a hand in what they did it's just to show that they're imperfect men and so there can still be mistakes that needed further adjustments.Of course the Holy Spirit will just operate on one person who will motivate other IMPERFECT humans to accomplish God's purpose yet due to imperfection they can't get everything perfectly as feelings can't be the same so the one upon whom the Holy Spirit is working will carry them along with the Spirit of mildness and self-control until God's time to correct the mistakes!

imagine oo..u believe God used them to compile the books but you do not believe what is in the book and so you have to reedit their book you believed the Holy Spirit inspired them to combine.? Now u r confusing me

Riofidelio:
Please if their shouldn't be dos and donts then what did Jesus meant by saying He will call some people men of lawlessness(workers of iniquity) Matthew 7:23

you can follow does and don't and still be lawless. Boko haram follow does and don't and dey are still lawless. Bible talks about two different laws. The spiritual law and the law written on stone. The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus makes us free from the law of sin and death. The law of does and dont is the law of sin and death. The law written on the heart and conscience dwell by the Holy Spirit is the law of the spirit.

salvation101:
ok, tell me about Cornelius family

They were baptized . its required

Salvation102:
do u even know what sinning against the Holy Spirit means? Do you know that denying the power of the Holy Spirit or calling a manifestation of the Holy Spirit to be demonic manifestation is sinning against the Holy Spirit?
The Bible says unto the Jews are committed the oracles of God and events of the bible are also supported by historical facts which is a second withness. Unlike urs wch can only be supported from within ur cycle.

It simply means willfully denying what you know is true either because of pride or selfish gain. That's why God's law said "don't join the crowd on an evil course" (Exodus 23:1,2) because most in the crowd may be ignorant of the real motive behind the scenes but whoever knew and intentionally join such a person is sinning against the Holy Spirit! For your information that's why God forgave Saul and he was called Paul because it's his evil masters that were instigating him against Christians he never knew he was persecuting God's own people! Galatians 1:13-15 So if you're certain of what you're doing now please keep it up for God is seeing your heart and thoughts(Jeremiah 17:10)but if you're in doubt please it's not too late to repent!

Riofidelio:
It simply means willfully denying what you know is true either because of pride or selfish gain. That's why God's law said "don't join the crowd on an evil course" (Exodus 23:1,2) because most in the crowd may be ignorant of the real motive behind the scenes but whoever knew and intentionally join such a person is sinning against the Holy Spirit! For your information that's why God forgave Saul and he was called Paul because it's his evil masters that were instigating him against Christians he never knew he was persecuting God's own people! Galatians 1:13-15 So if you're certain of what you're doing now please keep it up for God is seeing your heart and thoughts(Jeremiah 17:10)but if you're in doubt please it's not too late to repent!

The crowd is evil but you got the bible from the crowd, u attested dat the Holy Spirit inspired the crowd to compile the Bible. But ur society took it and changed it amd told u want dey want u to believe.

Salvation102:
imagine oo..u believe God used them to compile the books but you do not believe what is in the book and so you have to reedit their book you believed the Holy Spirit inspired them to combine.? Now u r confusing me

It's time to tell you the truth about the personality called Jesus! He is a perfect person who knew everything that's required to please His father but His followers aren't perfect like Him so He's always lenient with them.Psalm 103:14 Christians do make mistakes and whenever the Spirit comes to correct their views just like Jesus use to correct them when He was with them,they'll humbly welcome the development without grumbling or complaining. Those who compiled the Bible were just like those who started organizing US today for preaching and teaching throughout the world, for your information our people used to celebrate Christmas until 1926,we were known as international Bible students until 1931,our people used to smoke cigarettes until 1914,most of our brothers in Africa used to marry two to three wives until 1970s. Please Christianity isn't a stagnant vehicle, we're moving everyday that's why the Bible book of Revelations said our (Born Again) leaders follow Jesus wherever He goes! Revelations 14:4 compared to Ezekiel 1:15-21 Of course Jesus is moving and not stagnant.

Salvation102:
The crowd is evil but you got the bible from the crowd, u attested dat the Holy Spirit inspired the crowd to compile the Bible. But ur society took it and changed it amd told u want dey want u to believe.

You're not getting my point ma! I didn't say all crowds was evil. What i said is clearly written in Exodus 23:2 "don't follow the crowd ON AN EVIL MISSION" at times people can gather to form a crowd and it will be for something good, of course it's not a crime to support such a virtuous movement! What those people did back then was good but it shouldn't stop you from making adjustments if needed, that's what Christianity means not just accept something even if God's Holy Spirit says there should be a correction! It's pride and arrogance that makes so many people form different religions today and nobody wants to be corrected. If truly you are not against what those people did back then, you should be a Catholic because that's the religion of all those who compiled the books, you shouldn't be a Pentecostal or any other religious group as Catholics aren't pleased that all of you are now worshipping elsewhere having another form of worship that differs from the Roman Catholic!

salvation101:
but u believe reincarnation wch is a doctrine of heathen

See Salvation101 saying I believe in reincarnation

Why would a true christian believe in reincarnation. U need a lesson in salvation 101 about true Christianity.

salvation101:
the bible talks about those who have a form of godliness but deny d power thereof. How can i be in a powerless religion? D God of the bible i read is a powerful God, his prophets were powerful, Jesus Christ powerful and The apostles too. There were demonic powers in their day too but dey all bowed like Dagon to the power of God. I am Pentecostal and would not even trade it for orthodox talkleess of a religion that believes the power of God has expired

you are a Pentecostal Man believing in pastors shenanigan demonic magic in the name of curing in jesus name. that's why your pastors were banned in in coming to TV or radio and lying about their fake miracles to SouthAfricans.

Thank God you use your mouth to confess that "the bible talks about those who have a form of godliness but deny d power thereof" So tell ur pastors to stop collecting 40 million from PMB and stop flying on jets to Dubai for marriage of their children. Hypocrites offspring of rattle snake

salvation101:
if wat i believe about history of the is also supported by history written by ppl who didn't av affiliation with religion (who could av manipulated it) then wat i believe is more reliable than urs dat stems from an imagination.

Not everything on the internet is genuine but we know where to go when we need genuine scholarship materials.

So if what you believe about history is not supported by the history written by ppl who didn't av affiliation with religion, then it must mean that very history stems from an IMAGINATION. You this man are proving to be a brainwashed Pentecostal and it is for people like you that religion was called the opium of the people.

When non-religious historians tell you that Africans has no written record, you swallow it
When non-religious historians tell you that Jesus is a white man, you swallow it
When non-religious historians tell you that the bible was composed by the Catholic Church, you swallow it
When non-religious historians tell you that genuine scholarship materials lies ONLY in the white mans land you swallow it
When non-religious historians tell you that there is no God, you show them respect
When non-religious historians tell you that that what the bible is teaching is creationism, you swallow it
But when non-religious historians say the truth that hurts your pastors then you begin to shout and howl....

Can you please mention the one genuine scholarship material about religion, faith and worship that is superior in totality to the WT and AW

salvation101:
why do i have to go to Nsukka? Wat there that is not on the internet?

scurry along den.

contradictory contradictions

hehehehehehe... It makes perfect sense. I wasn't there but there are materials at my disposal written by people who do not even have affiliation with religion. U r being sentimental because it shows d flaws in ur belief system

Typical @ of pentecostal...having not understood the principles @ 1 Samuel 1:2-2:21 the next thing is to claim flaws in church doctrine....If you can only ask for explanation and let the word of God liberate you...The materials you have are from apostates who are losing MB every single day...in different area of life...

salvation101:
the books you read when u were in school were all written by ur society shay? U av skewed knowledge based on d bias as filtered nd doctored by ur organization and not original. If what you know cannot be verified by a second and third party except ur society, then it is obviously skewed

why should a physical man examine and verify a spiritual man - ode

salvation101:
as far as i know, you guys do not believe miracles still exists, but u believe demonic power still exists

why are you still comparing miracles to demonic magic. and you're supposed to be a christian - mtchewww

Salvation102:
at d mouth of two or three witnesses, the truth is established. U av just the witness of ur society, it can as well be termed false. Brainwashing is real, Muslims also believe dat all Christians are on d wrong path including jws.

You need to know the meaning of the word W I T N E S S E S! They are in fact different individuals practicing the same thing or proving the same point, as long as what they are saying is in agreement it's appropriate to call them "witnesses" for some facts to be established, Jehovah called Israelites HIS witnesses because they will all say the same thing about Jehovah so if someone say he/she won't accept their words because they're from the same race Jehovah is not bothered and HIS ever ready to destroy anybody standing on their way! Jesus called the Christians His witnesses so if anyone say he/she won't accept what they said about Jesus such a person is on his/her own! We're Jehovah's witnesses so if you're seeing people from different countries,cultures,traditions,tongues,nationalities all claiming the same thing and you're not convinced about our witness then Jehovah's name has been vindicated! So if you're calling US a cult because of our unique oneness as your own folks can't come together as an organized people for orderliness it's none of our business! 1Peter 4:4

Riofidelio:
It's time to tell you the truth about the personality called Jesus! He is a perfect person who knew everything that's required to please His father but His followers aren't perfect like Him so He's always lenient with them.Psalm 103:14 Christians do make mistakes and whenever the Spirit comes to correct their views just like Jesus use to correct them when He was with them,they'll humbly welcome the development without grumbling or complaining. Those who compiled the Bible were just like those who started organizing US today for preaching and teaching throughout the world, for your information our people used to celebrate Christmas until 1926,we were known as international Bible students until 1931,our people used to smoke cigarettes until 1914,most of our brothers in Africa used to marry two to three wives until 1970s. Please Christianity isn't a stagnant vehicle, we're moving everyday that's why the Bible book of Revelations said our (Born Again) leaders follow Jesus wherever He goes! Revelations 14:4 compared to Ezekiel 1:15-21 Of course Jesus is moving and not stagnant.

ludicrous.. How can we serve a God who remains unchanging and our way of serving him changes regularly? If u eventually discovered that those things u stopped doing were sins, what is then the fate of those who died before that change was effected? All dis changes simply points to the fact that ur organization cannot be trusted ooo. If today smoking is permissible and tomorrow its no more permissible then wat is the fate of those who had died as smokers?

Riofidelio:
You're not getting my point ma! I didn't say all crowds was evil. What i said is clearly written in Exodus 23:2 "don't follow the crowd ON AN EVIL MISSION" at times people can gather to form a crowd and it will be for something good, of course it's not a crime to support such a virtuous movement! What those people did back then was good but it shouldn't stop you from making adjustments if needed, that's what Christianity means not just accept something even if God's Holy Spirit says there should be a correction! It's pride and arrogance that makes so many people form different religions today and nobody wants to be corrected. If truly you are not against what those people did back then, you should be a Catholic because that's the religion of all those who compiled the books, you shouldn't be a Pentecostal or any other religious group as Catholics aren't pleased that all of you are now worshipping elsewhere having another form of worship that differs from the Roman Catholic!

if you believe that yhe holy spirit used the so called crowd to compile scripture in 400AD, den u do believe that the Holy Spirit still used people even after the death of the last apostle. Is that so?

enimooko:

See Salvation101 saying I believe in reincarnation

Why would a true christian believe in reincarnation. U need a lesson in salvation 101 about true Christianity.

your JW brother must be so ashamed of you right now. Even after he tried so hard to convince me that Elijah reincarnated as John the Baptist. That means he isn't a true Christian

enimooko:


you are a Pentecostal Man believing in pastors shenanigan demonic magic in the name of curing in jesus name. that's why your pastors were banned in in coming to TV or radio and lying about their fake miracles to SouthAfricans.

Thank God you use your mouth to confess that "the bible talks about those who have a form of godliness but deny d power thereof" So tell ur pastors to stop collecting 40 million from PMB and stop flying on jets to Dubai for marriage of their children. Hypocrites offspring of rattle snake

i see you are pained.. Your religion is powerless and unconvincing. When what you believe doesn't even work for you, you still want to sell dat to people here .

enimooko:


So if what you believe about history is not supported by the history written by ppl who didn't av affiliation with religion, then it must mean that very history stems from an IMAGINATION. You this man are proving to be a brainwashed Pentecostal and it is for people like you that religion was called the opium of the people.

When non-religious historians tell you that Africans has no written record, you swallow it
When non-religious historians tell you that Jesus is a white man, you swallow it
When non-religious historians tell you that the bible was composed by the Catholic Church, you swallow it
When non-religious historians tell you that genuine scholarship materials lies ONLY in the white mans land you swallow it
When non-religious historians tell you that there is no God, you show them respect
When non-religious historians tell you that that what the bible is teaching is creationism, you swallow it
But when non-religious historians say the truth that hurts your pastors then you begin to shout and howl....

Can you please mention the one genuine scholarship material about religion, faith and worship that is superior in totality to the WT and AW

the proof that what you believe is a figment of imagination is evident in how your doctrines changes like d skin of a carmelion. Ur brother here has done a good job in mentioning some of them. Only a brainwashed fellow would still follow a set of people who keep giving contradictory rules. Organ transplant is sin today, tomorrow it should be based on choice.. Abstain from blood but don't abstain from blood fraction , polygamy today, monogamy tomorrow, confused lots..
Talking about scholarship materials, my strongs greek and Hebrew dictionary is more superior than ur magazines as it shows me the many distorted truth in ur NWT Bible

enimooko:
Typical @ of pentecostal...having not understood the principles @ 1 Samuel 1:2-2:21 the next thing is to claim flaws in church doctrine....If you can only ask for explanation and let the word of God liberate you...The materials you have are from apostates who are losing MB every single day...in different area of life...

Apostates who u agree where under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit when they were compiling the Bible .