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Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Freddonance(m): 3:55pm On May 22, 2018 |
There are things that should be clarified.. 1. No matter how big a complex or a building is, if a doctor is not working there, that place can't ansa HOSPITAL. 2. Laboratory medicine, belongs to the doctor. Doctors who specialized in Lab Medicine are called PATHOLOGISTS. You don't expect a lab scientists to head a pathologist is his own lab. if u do then it's like allowing a stranger who doesn't know the tradition of ur people to lead u... That's an anomaly.... 3.The doctor can not head the pharmacy store cos there are people who should head it & they are called PHARMACISTS. 4. In the same vain, an OPTOMETRIST can't head an opthalmologist, if it happens, it is anomalous. 5. A radiologist can't be headed by a radiographer. All those services are provided in the hospital & the hospital is the home of a doctor. He has got no where to go than stay at home. I see it strange when people clamor to come to a doctor's home to head him. except he so permit but I do not think he will allow that happen now, maybe later. These things appear to be birthright by virtue of the training of a doctor. All these people came & met this hierarchical pattern but want to turn things around because they feel they are populated & doctors are few.... If u know u do not want a doctor to head u in the lab , pls do not study any related course in the university. PLS IF U THINK U CAN RUN A HOSPITAL WITHOUT A DOCTOR'S CERTIFICATE pls indicate let's reason 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by careerwoman(f): 3:56pm On May 22, 2018 |
ckmayoca: Wrong.. please don't post what you're not sure of thereby misleading people. Hazard allowance is the same across all boards which shouldn't be the case (I have seen appointment letters of intern pharmacists and lab scientists so it's a FACT).. Mere 60k per annum (5k per month) |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:01pm On May 22, 2018 |
xreal:Do you even realize radiologist are doctors. Get informed about the difference between a radiologist and radiographer 2 Likes |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Solababa91(m): 4:03pm On May 22, 2018 |
OgaInnocent: Can you provide the reasons why they are the best? Please am here. It's just like saying a political scientists is the best fit to govern a state or a country. The hospital do not belong to any health professional (Doctors or JOHESU amalgamates) it belongs to the patient for God sake. If there are no patients there wouldn't be an hospital. Right or wrong? 3 Likes |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Gr8amechi: 4:06pm On May 22, 2018 |
xreal:Hope you know that there is a difference between a radiologist and a radiographer?? A radiologist is a medical first before doing another 6 years or specialization in medical imagining. See the problem is many people don't know what medicine entails. Clinical medicine has over 14 departments that one can specialize on, now that's the problem. Who heads a radiology department is a radiologist and he has both radiographer and radiologist under him. Same way is a laboratory, for example in a microbiology laboratory there are medical doctors who after graduation goes further 6 years to specialize on medical microbiology, virology etc, these head the microbiology lab and has medical laboratory scientist under them. Doctors don't head pharmacy or nursing service as JOHESU are trying to make everyone think and for those radiologist they spend minimum 13 years of study to become consultant radiologist can you compare that to a radiographer?? 2 Likes |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by docadams: 4:10pm On May 22, 2018 |
skabber2: Angelfrost Attached to Doctors??! What is even wrong with you? If they are attached to doctors, then why don't you detach them so that you can have the entire hospital to yourselves??! I am taking the fifth on all these issues, but your statement is rife with arrogance tinged in conceit and poor objectivity (if not a total lack of). It's because your Health ministry reasons so narrow-mindedly that a strike which should have been settled before it even started has dragged on for this long. Research on how developed countries run their hospitals, and be ashamed of your country. The earlier you ask your leaders to brace up for reality rather than this voyage of twisting facts and figures the better for you. Gone are the days when your group obtained favourable judgements through the backdoor or get favourable policies passed. We are fully awake now.Your lot can wail and throw sentiments around. At the end of the day, on the negotiation table facts speak. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by OgaInnocent(m): 4:10pm On May 22, 2018 |
Solababa91:The hospital belongs to the patients. True. The doctor is the best person to head the hospital because he know the situation of the patient more than any health worker. He makes diagnosis, he prescribes the drug. The patient cannot receive any drug without the approval of the doctor. Hence the doctor should head the hospital. 1 Like |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:12pm On May 22, 2018 |
Nkcells:How i wish you can pass your PLAB or USMLE because you'll get to know how the health care system is operated. from there you'll become a change agent. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by careerwoman(f): 4:14pm On May 22, 2018 |
kolmart: ![]() Where did you get this from? Have you ever been to a hospital in Nigeria? Please stop misleading people... In Nigeria, when you go to the hospital and pay a consultation fee, you see a doctor (GP) who takes a history from you and examines you. The nurse may or may not take your vital signs (bp, weight, temp) but these will be rechecked by the doctor during the examination. For emergency cases, the doctor still does the same with the emergency nurse taking vitals and carrying out the resuscitation order. I'm not claiming any doctor superiority here, I'm simply stating how the roles are played at least in our hospitals. 3 Likes |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by danilmo: 4:15pm On May 22, 2018 |
Yonce:o ![]() walahi this issue of young doctor and old nurse is arching and look stupid to me, will auxi nurse amarabae allow a 30yrs experienced nurse perform CS for her or rather a 4 yrs experienced doctor I think they wana make experience supercede knowledge here. then to them, a 50yrs matron should be knowledge than 10yrs doctor, talking as if experience automatically diffuse knowledge.. for Goodness, the secret and theory of human still get filled up in a doctors brain.. nawa o.. hope johesu are not mistaken the word of experience is the best teacher with valid knowledge here.. I feel experience only make the old nurse good to go practically in practice..she won't take time to take blood pressure , take BMI and dress wound, that doesn't install medical knowledge and theories into her damn brain why compare her with a young doctor who carried all the stuff in his head.. if atall, compensation is deemed fit for humanity sake, them it should be outlined specifically.. no hate. we pay for service delivery biko, that old nurse will still call on the young graduate Doctor if her relative convulse na. . ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:17pm On May 22, 2018 |
Nigerian docs wanna earn millions with mere MBBS. In the states and other advanced nations you start earning high when you obtain fellowship. 1 Like |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:18pm On May 22, 2018 |
kolmart:Senseless strike actions bothering on petty jealousy and rivalry has killed so many Nigerians till date. Privatization is the only foreseeable solution. Whoever is afraid of it is Fraud! |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Solababa91(m): 4:19pm On May 22, 2018 |
DABMarkNig2019: Thumbs up bro for hitting the nail on it's head. NMA wants it's members to continue to be trained and increase in skills and knowledge while other professionals just remain stagnant and continue getting promotion at work, and this is to the detriment of the health care services in general because treatment of patients in hospitals is not done solely by Medical Doctors, a patient condition dictates who and who treats and who will be the head of a team. They should just wake up, it's 12:00 am in other countries already. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Gr8amechi: 4:23pm On May 22, 2018 |
xreal:Lol see that's the problem most people are having, medicine is encompassing and it takes an open mind to understand how medicine works first before talking about this JOHESU issues. Now on the now this is who a radiography is the process of making radiographs, and the science of analyzing them. While radiology is medicine) The use of radioactive substances in diagnosis and treatment. (medicine) The use of radiation (including ionizing radiation, especially X-rays) in diagnosis, usually through the formation of images. Now this is what JOHESU will not tell you, a radiography is one whose duty is to take the radiograph, while a radiologist is a medical doctor who interprets the radiograph and also does other things like interventionals radiology etc |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by larrrymore(m): 4:23pm On May 22, 2018 |
careerwoman:that is for house officer nah.....entry level for employ doc post nysc is conmess 3.....abi when d internship and house job turn job |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Angelfrost(m): 4:25pm On May 22, 2018 |
docadams: Smh! I actually thought you had a fairly average ability to reason well, but this statement has finally underscored the fact that your level of thinking is truly pedestrian. Your Leaders??! Your Group??! Your Lot??! What facts do you write of??! And did you miss the part where I clearly pointed out that am taking the 5th on this??! Do you even know the meaning of that??! And you are even a doctor??! Something is seriously wrong with our educational system in this 3rd world country! I just can't deal. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Gr8amechi: 4:25pm On May 22, 2018 |
Deniceone:Please can you produce a link to the JOHESU demands stating these are just their demands |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:29pm On May 22, 2018 |
OgaInnocent:listen you people should learn to differentiate the clinical or medical head from administrative head and who tells you it's only medical care that gets a patient well? There's a model for patient care and I'm worried that the NMA who claim to be all knowing doesn't know what this model is. We all attend to the patient from different points of care to get him okay. The NMA should become more innovative and entrepreneurial not tyrannical. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Angelfrost(m): 4:32pm On May 22, 2018 |
sadoz: Calm down with the privatization gist sir. What country in the globe doesn't have government-funded hospitals that are well run??! Y'all should stop being mentally lazy. There are standard and international practices that make the system suitable and conducive for all health workers regardless of status or qualification. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by xreal: 4:33pm On May 22, 2018 |
Gr8amechi: OK. Thank you. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by aniweta12(m): 4:34pm On May 22, 2018 |
tsquaure:What of doctors that forget operating instruments inside the body of their patients. Most of the time the wrong prescription by the doctor is found out by the pharmacist on point of dispensing. Federal Government should send delegates to the advanced countries and found out how hospitals are being run and introduce same in our hospitals. After are all, it is America's system of government that we are practicing. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:34pm On May 22, 2018 |
olalekanadewum:JOHESU is even not a registered not to talk of being a registered trade union. You are free to provide evidence to the contrary. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Gr8amechi: 4:36pm On May 22, 2018 |
symbianDON:Do you know their is a branch of medicine that is called clinical pharmacology?? Are you also aware there is a branch of medicine called laboratory medicine which include the three branches of pathology?? Now I agree with you that a doctor can't know it all but the public needs to know that you can have 20 doctors in a hospital and each of them specializes in 20 different fields, so when you hear that a doctor is heading the laboratory try and ask which doctor is that, definitely a surgeon or a physician can't head a laboratory, a microbiology lab is headed by a clinical or consultant medical microbiologist, this person first studied medicine for 6 years then did another 6 years of postgraduate studies on medical microbiology, so ask yourself is it wrong if such a person heads the microbiology lab |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by docadams: 4:37pm On May 22, 2018 |
Angelfrost: I don't bother with what you think or propagate. You may twist words anyway you wish, nothing gets approved except it satisfies laid down criteria. I doubt if you know what guide emoluments of health workers. You will rather believe in the falsehood your leaders deploy to hold you in bondage 1 Like |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:38pm On May 22, 2018 |
Angelfrost:This senseless strikes will not end until Nigerian hospitals are privatized and modernized. Outsource bulk of laboratory and pharmacy services etc. Govt should fund universal health coverage via health insurance with the support of private sectors. All these unions only care about their pocket. They have no shred of concern for the patient. Anyone afraid of privatization is a Fraud |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:40pm On May 22, 2018 |
Angelfrost:And if you are part of this union, you all should stop being morally and ethically bankrupt. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by symbianDON(m): 4:43pm On May 22, 2018 |
Gr8amechi:while i agree with your submission, i must stress that what i wrote earlier was that doctors MUST NOT always head medical facilities and other should also be given the opportunity. remember that other professionals can equally get higher academic qualifications too. |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Amarabae(f): 4:45pm On May 22, 2018 |
danilmo:Nursing is a different field from medicine, When I or any nurse say that we know things in medicine except surgery does not mean that we know more than doctors but rather we are not novice in medical issues. Knowledge comes not only by degree but by working experience too and by advancing in post graduate studies. The problem is that you understand things literally and not logically. What will make a graduate nurse or even a sound school of nursing nurse not to be able to treat her relative who is convulsing? So if a child is convulsing and rushed to the a primary health care center where there are scarcity of doctors, the nurse on duty can't do anything? What exactly do you think Nursing Science is? I can see that you are dowing down the route of arrogance, Are you aware that there are fellow colleagues who are in private practice managing patients? Or you just want to comment. The Lord resist the proud and uplift the humble, Learn humbleness today. . . Next time you want to quote me, please package your comment in a matured non insulting way, Then I will reply. Or don't bother mentioning. Thanks. 4 Likes |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Solababa91(m): 4:49pm On May 22, 2018 |
Freddonance: Please go check the meaning of hospital and run back here to edit what you posted up there. Hospital is meant for a patient, not for any Personnel. I do not know where you got your earlier assertion from. Just the way an Hospital cannot stand without a Medical Doctor is the same way it can't be a standard hospital without a Pharmacist (who will formulate, dispense or cross check or give prescriptions, or without a Physiotherapists (who diagnose, treats and rehabilitate patients as the case may be or a Med Lab Scientists that gives a Doctor a clearer picture of a differential diagnosis or a Nurse... etc. It is only that Nigeria health sector do not have boundaries in each job jurisdiction or clear cut description (or better still the laws are not bounding) if not a Doctor would not believe he can perform all the roles in the hospital and all other team members are irrelevant and should not be well remunerated. In saner climes, a doctor performing the role of a Nurse or vice versa would be jailed and same to all other professions too. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:50pm On May 22, 2018 |
larrrymore:Can't you guys make your points without insults. Yet you want me to believe you want to be taken seriously. 1 Like |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by careerwoman(f): 4:51pm On May 22, 2018 |
larrrymore: Yes it is, it's a paid job as well as a training.. the person I quoted used the entry level of intern pharmacists to compare the entry level of doctors which is the housemanship.. An intern pharmacist earns about 140-150k on an average.. The figures he posted were absolutely wrong.. 1 Like |
Re: Drop A Suggestion On How To Solve The NMA Vs Johesu Issue? by Nobody: 4:52pm On May 22, 2018 |
Angelfrost:Make your points without insults. Exude some class please. It LL be hard to take JOHESU seriously if you are always emotional. |
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