enimooko:

Forever sickly John always making up stories and answering them on his own...welcome

you false jw's say you are christians, yet you say the Word who bercame the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is "a god"
you don't know Him and are antichrist, more importantly He doesn't know you

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

the Word is not "a god" but is "The mighty God" just like john 1:1 says
the Word is God and of course God is mighty

"The everlasting Father"

God is one, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is the everlasting Father
one God, two persons: let us make man in our image etc.

the Word became the man Jesus Christ.

the Word in the Spirit is God. in the flesh, Jesus is the Son of God

very simple but non believers are blinded to it:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

non believers = atheists, satanists, antichrist false jw, etc.

[quote author]Witnesses just like other religious denominations when defending their ORGANIZATION often place great emphasis on what amounts to APPEARANCE more than SUBSTANCE , on CLAIM as opposed to REALITY , perhaps on INTENT as compared to ACTUAL RESULT. [/quote] So going by your logic we should ACCEPT all forms of worship(without verification or scrutiny) as long as they're claiming Christians and handling the Bible!!! Instead of sitting one on one to distinguish between right and wrong regarding forms of worship. Hmmmmmmmmm please can you explain (in any way you feel like) what was written in Malachi chapter 3:16-18 and Matthew 10:3-26?

johnw47:


you false jw's say you are christians, yet you say the Word who bercame the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is "a god"
you don't know Him and are antichrist, more importantly He doesn't know you

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

the Word is not "a god" but is "The mighty God" just like john 1:1 says
the Word is God and of course God is mighty

"The everlasting Father"

God is one, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is the everlasting Father
one God, two persons: let us make man in our image etc.

the Word became the man Jesus Christ.

the Word in the Spirit is God. in the flesh, Jesus is the Son of God

very simple but non believers are blinded to it:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

non believers = atheists, satanists, antichrist false jw, etc.

Proverbs 8:22-31 1Corinthians 15:25-28 Philippians 2:6

achorladey:

In summary, then, even as I am convinced that the one true religion is Christianity itself, not some religious system claiming to represent and exemplify it, I also believe that the truth is found in the Scriptures, not in any particular set of interpretations that men have developed or may yet develop. That truth is not only in the words themselves but also in the revelation they bring to us of God and of his Son. We will almost inevitably differ in our understanding on some points but, if governed by God’s spirit, should have no great difficulty in agreeing on those teachings clearly and plainly stated.

Hmmmmmmmmm "If we're GOVERNED by God's Spirit there should be no great difficulty in agreeing on those teachings clearly and plainly stated" please what and what are those TEACHINGS clearly and plainly stated? And where can we find them? (Romans 15:5,6) (1Corinthians 1:10) (2Corinthians 13:11) (Ephesians 4:3) (Philippians 2:2)

johnw47:


you false jw's say you are christians, yet you say the Word who bercame the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is "a god"
you don't know Him and are antichrist, more importantly He doesn't know you

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

the Word is not "a god" but is "The mighty God" just like john 1:1 says
the Word is God and of course God is mighty

"The everlasting Father"

God is one, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is the everlasting Father
one God, two persons: let us make man in our image etc.

the Word became the man Jesus Christ.

the Word in the Spirit is God. in the flesh, Jesus is the Son of God

very simple but non believers are blinded to it:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

non believers = atheists, satanists, antichrist false jw, etc.

I just dey sorry 4U.. See how ur brain dey deceive U: the son of God is God. Also, the son of Lion is Lion( Very Wrong). The son of God is a God. Also,the son of Lion is a Lion. (Very correct).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1
Whether u like am or not, the word is a god.

johnw47:


you false jw's say you are christians, yet you say the Word who bercame the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is "a god"
you don't know Him and are antichrist, more importantly He doesn't know you

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

the Word is not "a god" but is "The mighty God" just like john 1:1 says
the Word is God and of course God is mighty

"The everlasting Father"

God is one, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is the everlasting Father
one God, two persons: let us make man in our image etc.

the Word became the man Jesus Christ.

the Word in the Spirit is God. in the flesh, Jesus is the Son of God

very simple but non believers are blinded to it:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

non believers = atheists, satanists, antichrist false jw, etc.

I just dey sorry 4U.. See how ur brain dey deceive U: the son of God is God. Also, the son of Lion is Lion( Very Wrong). The son of God is a God. Also,the son of Lion is a Lion. (Very correct).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1
Take it or leave it, "the word is a god." The Greek transliteration to English (as it appears in the original Greek manuscript)
" in beginning was the word & the word was with the god (that is ,towards the god or facing the god),& god was the word".
That is how it appeared in the Greek manuscript. Naim una come twist dey deceive una self that Jesus is God. U guys are too ignorant to know that in Greek language, their sentence structure is very different from that of English language. Scholars of Greek language (Those who know Koine Greek far better than U & I,) have affirmed that indeed ,"the word is a god". As a result, many Bibles in English & other languages ,John 1:1 actually reads. "the word is a god". Pls read the Wikipedia link again & again with out bias & purge yourselves of the fallacy called trinity..
Shalom.

enimooko:
But you are brainwashed by stagnated outdated dogmas of hellfire, infant baptism, limbo....all proved false and outdated and without scriptural backing...why should I trust you and your lying pastors

...and why are your pastors always making failed predictions....https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/nigerias-prophet-tb-joshua-says-clint[url][/url]on-will-win-us-election-20161107

But Jesus taught about hell in such a way that even idiots can understand what he meant. But you twist his messages to your own destruction. You don't believe he even rose from the dead bodily. If you don't believe an event that already happened with infallible witnesses, how can you believe what you haven't yet seen. If you want us to go on doctrinal issues, I am ready but we will focus on one topic at a time. I will suggest you choose from the following.

1. Doctrine of born again.
2. Doctrine of the bodily resurrection of Christ
3. Doctrine of hell fire

I am waiting. Meanwhile, TB Joshua is not my Pastor and I am not one of his adherent.

OneJ:

I just dey sorry 4U.. See how ur brain dey deceive U: the son of God is God. Also, the son of Lion is Lion( Very Wrong). The son of God is a God. Also,the son of Lion is a Lion. (Very correct).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1
Whether u like am or not, the word is a god.

where did you get the "a" from? Does it exist in d greek version?

Salvation102:
where did you get the "a" from? Does it exist in d greek version?

Pls. go & read this link comprehensively again & again for proper comprehension. It's gonna cure U & purge U from the fallacy of Trinity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1
Salvation102 : The Greek manuscript reads :" In beginning was the word and word was with (toward or facing ) the god, and god was the word". But, trinitarians FRAUDULENTLY changed "god" in small letters in the Greek manuscript to "God" ,which fraudulently altered the actual meaning of the verse. 419 since the 4th century CE. In John1;1b , the word was with the god (a reference to the Almighty) ,and god (or like god )was the word. (the verse never said " ...and the word was the god).Jesus Christ's Apostles confirmed to us who Jesus really is (John20:30,31. Matt16:13-17. Mark1:1).

enimooko:

Too much dogma kicked 1Peter out

Agreed, clinging on to numerous dogma and religious doctrine kicked most of us out of christianity.

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm "If we're GOVERNED by God's Spirit there should be no great difficulty in agreeing on those teachings clearly and plainly stated" please what and what are those TEACHINGS clearly and plainly stated? And where can we find them? (Romans 15:5,6) (1Corinthians 1:10) (2Corinthians 13:11) (Ephesians 4:3) (Philippians 2:2)

Those teachings are not numerous they are captured in Matthew 22:37-39, John 14:6,7 2 Timothy 3:16;17. 1 Peter 2:21-25. All these teachings are from the inspired word of God, The Bible and not in any religious organization or denomination in existence.

One:

Pls. go & read this link comprehensively again & again for proper comprehension. It's gonna cure U & purge U from the fallacy of Trinity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1

the wikipedia page simply presented different arguments on d subject matter, if i was d one dat directed u to wiki u would av said d page was written by apostates.

enimooko:
L I E S

THE TRUTH clearly and plainly stated is in the Bible verse above the magazine Galatians 3:26. THE L I E S whom enimooko sees as the truth not clearly and plainly stated in the bible is in the main theme of the magazine. What is your take on this?
This also applies to every other religious denominations that place faith and pray in the name of their G.Os and their institutions. You need help!!!!! Read.... Matthew 11:26-30.

enimooko:
no Church should claim dey determined d canon ooo.

who is talking about any church here?u dont reason beyond denominationalism? Ur foljs claimed christians of dat generation were apostate nd dat is why am asking if u regard thosr who compiled d canon u r using today as apostates too

salvation101:
the wikipedia page simply presented different arguments on d subject matter, if i was d one dat directed u to wiki u would av said d page was written by apostates.

U no even read the Wikipedia link because wetin dey there go wound ur trinity fallacy.

salvation101:
the wikipedia page simply presented different arguments on d subject matter, if i was d one dat directed u to wiki u would av said d page was written by apostates.

U no even read the Wikipedia link because wetin dey there dey wound ur trinity fallacy.

achorladey:

Those teachings are not numerous they are captured in Matthew 22:37-39, John 14:6,7 2 Timothy 3:16;17. 1 Peter 2:21-25. All these teachings are from the inspired word of God, The Bible and not in any religious organization or denomination in existence.

This is where we'll always disagree,(1) those who wants to distinguish between right and wrong(2) and those who wants no distinction at all. Jehovah's witnesses have listed those things and are inculcating it in the minds of our members but you said "those things" are CLEARLY STATED "not doctrines of any religious organization" yet you can't mention at least few of them for people who are conscious of their spiritual needs to listen, obey and be blessed! So how can you PREACH and TEACH "effectively"?

achorladey:

THE TRUTH clearly and plainly stated is in the Bible verse above the magazine Galatians 3:26. THE L I E S whom enimooko sees as the truth not clearly and plainly stated in the bible is in the main theme of the magazine. What is your take on this?
This also applies to every other religious denominations that place faith and pray in the name of their G.Os and their institutions. You need help!!!!! Read.... Matthew 11:26-30.

OK It's the word "organization" that you're disputing! You want to worship that same God who has always ORGANIZE people for HIS pure worship in ancient times forgetting that all enemies of the true God only became God's enemies simply due to hatred for any organized group! They just don't want any group to say "God is directing US" So if they meet other people what they want to hear is "let each person decide but not as a group",therefore whenever they see any ORGANIZED group claiming they're unitedly practicing PURE worship,they're puzzled and becomes enraged towards such an organized group! So it's clear that you're not against any form of worship, but the one that's undeniably united and well organized! Thanks so much for your comments are well noted and understood.

Riofidelio:
OK It's the word "organization" that you're disputing! You want to worship that same God who has always ORGANIZE people for HIS pure worship in ancient times forgetting that all enemies of the true God only became God's enemies simply due to hatred for any organized group! They just don't want any group to say "God is directing US" So if they meet other people what they want to hear is "let each person decide but not as a group",therefore whenever they see any ORGANIZED group claiming they're unitedly practicing PURE worship,they're puzzled and becomes enraged towards such an organized group! So it's clear that you're not against any form of worship, but the one that's undeniably united and well organized! Thanks so much for your comments are well noted and understood.

I really appreciate your time so far. I am convinced that if you have the time go back and reflect on all of this conversations we've had. Do your research a bit on the concept "organisation" and see how far you can go. I am leaving you with this though......
The only actual example we have of an “organization,” in the sense in which the term is used in Watch Tower literature, is with the establishment of the nation of Israel. Whatever comparison may be made with the Christian congregation, it is clear that Christianity marked a notable break with the past, that God’s dealings with his servants were placed on a new footing through Christ, in an eminently superior and distinctive way. The shadows have given way to the reality. To try to establish the relationship of Christians to God and Christ on the basis of analogies with the Israelite national framework is no more proper than to equate Christ’s sacrifice and what it accomplishes with the animal sacrifices made back then. The difference is far, far greater than the similarity.

Riofidelio:
OK It's the word "organization" that you're disputing! You want to worship that same God who has always ORGANIZE people for HIS pure worship in ancient times forgetting that all enemies of the true God only became God's enemies simply due to hatred for any organized group! They just don't want any group to say "God is directing US" So if they meet other people what they want to hear is "let each person decide but not as a group",therefore whenever they see any ORGANIZED group claiming they're unitedly practicing PURE worship,they're puzzled and becomes enraged towards such an organized group! So it's clear that you're not against any form of worship, but the one that's undeniably united and well organized! Thanks so much for your comments are well noted and understood.

SOMETHING TO PONDER OVER...


Today most of Jehovah’s Witnesses take virtual pride in supporting “the organization” no matter what it does or where it leads or what it teaches. In this they have no support from Scripture. In the national congregation of Israel, it was those who submissively followed the organizational officials (kings and priests) no matter what, who were the ones led into false worship, and their “loyalty” to that national organization’s leaders caused them to accuse falsely and persecute men innocent of any wrongdoing. They viewed such conscientious servants of Jehovah as “anti-establishment.” Thus, their loyalty to an organization actually put them in opposition to God. This stands as a warning to us to this day.

Riofidelio:
OK It's the word "organization" that you're disputing! You want to worship that same God who has always ORGANIZE people for HIS pure worship in ancient times forgetting that all enemies of the true God only became God's enemies simply due to hatred for any organized group! They just don't want any group to say "God is directing US" So if they meet other people what they want to hear is "let each person decide but not as a group",therefore whenever they see any ORGANIZED group claiming they're unitedly practicing PURE worship,they're puzzled and becomes enraged towards such an organized group! So it's clear that you're not against any form of worship, but the one that's undeniably united and well organized! Thanks so much for your comments are well noted and understood.

MORE TO PONDER OVER........

Nothing illustrates more clearly that one’s loyalty and one’s trust in God cannot safely be bound with an organization than does the history of that nation. God established an official priesthood for the nation and, later, at the people’s request he established a human kingship, though making plain that the people’s petition for some visible sign of government was evidence of a lack of faith in Him, the true King. Over a span of some five centuries, faithful kings were rare in Judah and completely lacking in the later northern kingdom of Israel. Out of some 24 Judean kings, the reigns of only six are described favorably in Scripture, and even these were tarnished with deviations from the divine will. Similarly, the priesthood provided no consistently reliable guide for the people, the priests frequently going along with the kings in their deviations from the divine will and thus contributing to the degeneration of the pure worship of God. It is little wonder that the psalmist admonishes:

Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save. When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing. Blessed is he whose help is the God of Jacob, whose hope is in the LORD [Jehovah] his GOD. Psalms 146:4.

The history of those five centuries shows that, despite the existence of that national organization and its priesthood, Jehovah continued to deal with individuals and that more often than not, those individuals were persons(Jeremiah, Zechariah David etc.)clearly out of favor with what might be called the established “organization”.

Riofidelio:
OK It's the word "organization" that you're disputing! You want to worship that same God who has always ORGANIZE people for HIS pure worship in ancient times forgetting that all enemies of the true God only became God's enemies simply due to hatred for any organized group! They just don't want any group to say "God is directing US" So if they meet other people what they want to hear is "let each person decide but not as a group",therefore whenever they see any ORGANIZED group claiming they're unitedly practicing PURE worship,they're puzzled and becomes enraged towards such an organized group! So it's clear that you're not against any form of worship, but the one that's undeniably united and well organized! Thanks so much for your comments are well noted and understood.

THIS WILL ALSO COME HANDY


Although the kingship had ceased, the official structure of the priesthood of Israel still operated in Jesus’ day, its priests still functioning as filling the office of God’s appointed representatives. Joined with them were the Jewish elders who helped compose the highest judicial court of the nation. How did this circumstance affect the course of God’s Son, Christ Jesus? He followed a course and spoke in a way that brought upon him the disapproval and opposition of that authority structure and its most responsible members, including the very high priest himself. In reality, it was what might justly be called “the governing body” of the national organization, the chief priest and members of the Sanhedrin, that judged him adversely. And it was to that “governing body” that the apostles later declared, “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” Acts5:29 The stand they took and the principle they voiced remain valid today. They are in direct conflict with the view of “going along” with an organization simply because it claims to speak for God.

Riofidelio:
OK It's the word "organization" that you're disputing! You want to worship that same God who has always ORGANIZE people for HIS pure worship in ancient times forgetting that all enemies of the true God only became God's enemies simply due to hatred for any organized group! They just don't want any group to say "God is directing US" So if they meet other people what they want to hear is "let each person decide but not as a group",therefore whenever they see any ORGANIZED group claiming they're unitedly practicing PURE worship,they're puzzled and becomes enraged towards such an organized group! So it's clear that you're not against any form of worship, but the one that's undeniably united and well organized! Thanks so much for your comments are well noted and understood.

FINALLY

To make organizational loyalty the criterion for judging anyone’s Christianity is, then, clearly a perversion of Scripture. To urge, even to insist, that persons put faith in any earthly system, is totally without foundation in Scripture. Read the whole of those Scriptures and it is clear that what we are called on to do is to put faith in God, faith in his Son, faith in the Word of God as brought to us by those whom He inspired, but nowhere are we taught to put faith in men or in an earthly organization, unquestioningly following its lead. Such faith is misplaced and leads to grave consequences. The facts of history bear that out throughout all the centuries and our twentieth century is no exception. Far from encouraging such faith in imperfect men, the entire Bible record is a continual reminder of the danger inherent in that kind of trust.
Thank you for your time.

achorladey:

I really appreciate your time so far. I am convinced that if you have the time go back and reflect on all of this conversations we've had. Do your research a bit on the concept "organisation" and see how far you can go. I am leaving you with this though......
The only actual example we have of an “organization,” in the sense in which the term is used in Watch Tower literature, is with the establishment of the nation of Israel. Whatever comparison may be made with the Christian congregation, it is clear that Christianity marked a notable break with the past, that God’s dealings with his servants were placed on a new footing through Christ, in an eminently superior and distinctive way. The shadows have given way to the reality. To try to establish the relationship of Christians to God and Christ on the basis of analogies with the Israelite national framework is no more proper than to equate Christ’s sacrifice and what it accomplishes with the animal sacrifices made back then. The difference is far, far greater than the similarity.

Seven congregations known to some apostles either has leadership or it dosen't. Maybe persecution and hard times made the leadership go to hiding or not is a matter for another debate.

But if you ask a knowledgeable Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a demented Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a catholic you'll hear their own side and If you ask a protestant you'll hear their own side!
A scholar might decide to use all the sides of the different churches and anyone that disagrees with the conservative narratives of church history, events, and theology is usually attacked, derided and ridiculed. There is enough state apparatus for the big boys to control historical narratives and make brainwashing look normal and global....."Theology of orthodox doctrines 420"

achorladey:

THIS WILL ALSO COME HANDY


Although the kingship had ceased, the official structure of the priesthood of Israel still operated in Jesus’ day, its priests still functioning as filling the office of God’s appointed representatives. Joined with them were the Jewish elders who helped compose the highest judicial court of the nation. How did this circumstance affect the course of God’s Son, Christ Jesus? He followed a course and spoke in a way that brought upon him the disapproval and opposition of that authority structure and its most responsible members, including the very high priest himself. In reality, it was what might justly be called “the governing body” of the national organization, the chief priest and members of the Sanhedrin, that judged him adversely. And it was to that “governing body” that the apostles later declared, “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” Acts5:29 The stand they took and the principle they voiced remain valid today. They are in direct conflict with the view of “going along” with an organization simply because it claims to speak for God.

Why do you keep towing the line of the .....

achorladey:

THE TRUTH clearly and plainly stated is in the Bible verse above the magazine Galatians 3:26. THE L I E S whom enimooko sees as the truth not clearly and plainly stated in the bible is in the main theme of the magazine. What is your take on this?
This also applies to every other religious denominations that place faith and pray in the name of their G.Os and their institutions. You need help!!!!! Read.... Matthew 11:26-30.

L I E S. You mean now Jesus has approved the sects...MMhhmmm. You need help oooooo!!!!! Please Read.... Matthew 11:26-30 and when reading this time around don't be defensive oooo. Please reason and avoid blind and hateful dogmatism...

salvation101:
who is talking about any church here?u dont reason beyond denominationalism? Ur foljs claimed christians of dat generation were apostate nd dat is why am asking if u regard thosr who compiled d canon u r using today as apostates too

no Church, or human individual should take credit or should claim dey determined d canon ooo.

johnw47:


a picture paints a thousand words, and with you they are all the same word:

fool, etc. etc. etc.

why are you angry?

Riofidelio:
This is where we'll always disagree,(1) those who wants to distinguish between right and wrong(2) and those who wants no distinction at all. Jehovah's witnesses have listed those things and are inculcating it in the minds of our members but you said "those things" are CLEARLY STATED "not doctrines of any religious organization" yet you can't mention at least few of them for people who are conscious of their spiritual needs to listen, obey and be blessed! So how can you PREACH and TEACH "effectively"?

It will be better you list those things let's see if they are bigger than the following truth in Matthew 22:37-39, John 14:6,7 John 5:24 1 Peter 2:21-25, 2 Timothy 3:16,17. Acts 1:8. After preaching and teaching the body of truth you are about to mention, will it be a must for such person to be known as a JW or simply a Christian.
One thing am certain of is the good news we are to preach is not a complicated one. It is simple and direct. It's simplicity result in large acceptance by many in the first century.