Obedy04:
I was here when it was on page 100 and now almost 2500.
Conclusion Kenya is not a small country.if it was that small Nigerians would have finished them with ten pages only.

That's a flawed conclusion, what if Nigerians just wanna play sometimes and be amused by the Kenyans?

rvp20182:
1) Anything that uses Nigeria cooked GDP is not worth talking about
2) All Andela and Jumia I have come to discovered are from Nigeria diaspora - who comeback from US to do something in Nigeria. In Kenya - nearly all tech is from kenyans who've never set their foot in any shores.

Kenya's Ihub was started by a white guy. Jumia was started by a Nigerian and a Ghanaian, CChub was started by Nigerians. Diaspora or no diaspora, they were Nigerians. Kenya's first TV station was started by Europeans in 1962 while Nigeria's NTA was started by Nigerians in 1958.

rvp20182:
You need to travel a lot more - I think outside South Africa - Kenya elite schools are probably sub-saharan bests. The schools you've have there are 3rd or 4th tier box-shaped schools you'll find in kenya meant to host lot of pupils. Kenya elite schools have everything including airstrips, golf course and such facilities.

Kenya schools top Africa school fees chart - beating many developed countries.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/Nairobi-international-schools-top-tuition-chart/539550-3906644-12d36hoz/index.html

Let start with Brookhouse with victorian look - designed like the Hogwarths in the Harry Potter movies -by Kenyan architects. This school is worth nearly 15Billion Naira. It boast some of world class facilities and sit on expansive land in Nairobi's Karen. Kenya last presidential debate were held in the school auditorium.

BrookHouse is owned and operated by a British organization. They are in Lagos also. Are not ashamed that you Little Indians are not capable of building anything worthwhile?

Without degenerating further - facts is we are further ahead of you in terms of tech - kenya is the social capital of the world.

obaaderemi:
Kenya's Ihub was started by a white guy. Jumia was started by a Nigerian and a Ghanaian, CChub was started by Nigerians. Diaspora or no diaspora, they were Nigerians. Kenya's first TV station was started by Europeans in 1962 while Nigeria's NTA was started by Nigerians in 1958.

British fund bought it from Kenyatta & other kenyans in 2015 for whooping 15B naira! I can tell you right now kenya private schools are attracting very serious funding. Nigeria can only dream about - but Funds from Europe & South Africa are tripping over themselves to buy the many profitable world class elite schools.

obaaderemi:
BrookHouse is owned and operated by a British organization. They are in Lagos also. Are not ashamed that you Little Indians are not capable of building anything worthwhile?

rvp20182:
Without degenerating further - facts is we are further ahead of you in terms of tech - kenya is the social capital of the world.

Do you want us to rehash the ICT and I will show you again how we built ours and the Indians and whites and Nigerians helped you build yours.

You got nothing - outside Andela (which is wrongly attributed to Nigeria - instead of New York) once off funding last year - you're way behind Kenya and South Africa.

Just this week Cellulant (Kenya) - sold some of it's shares for 40-50M dollars - that is again nearly 15B naira.Cellulant - get 47.5M dollars funding from US group.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Cellulant-gets-Sh4-8bn-equity-funding-from-US-group/539546-4559806-7u6uj0z/index.html

obaaderemi:
Do you want us to rehash the ICT and I will show you again how we built ours and the Indians and whites and Nigerians helped you build yours.

rvp20182:
British fund bought it from Kenyatta & other kenyans in 2015 for whooping 15B naira! I can tell you right now kenya private schools are attracting very serious funding. Nigeria can only dream about - but Funds from Europe & South Africa are tripping over themselves to buy the many profitable world class elite schools.

You want me to start posting foreign run schools here?Nah, I won't come down to your level.Below is a public school in Nigeria. Mind you that's not Lagos but Osun.

It very clear your schools are nothing elite - your architect's must be african most un-imaginative I have seen.Private quality schools like you'd find in kenya are indication of growing middle class, the same with malls & super-markets, et etc and in all indicators - it very clear - that we are second after South Africa & maybe Angola in Sub-Sahara Africa.

As regard public schools - don't start. Your funding for the entire education sector is laughable. Your teachers earn I think less than half or third of what Kenyan teachers earn. Without consistent budget from taxes - you cannot about public schools. Without middle class - you cannot about private schools.

obaaderemi:
You want me to start posting foreign run schools here?Nah, I won't come down to your level.Below is a public school in Nigeria. Mind you that's not Lagos but Osun.

rvp20182:
You got nothing - outside Andela (which is wrongly attributed to Nigeria - instead of New York) once off funding last year - you're way behind Kenya and South Africa.

Just this week Cellulant (Kenya) - sold some of it's shares for 40-50M dollars - that is again nearly 15B naira.Cellulant - get 47.5M dollars funding from US group.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Cellulant-gets-Sh4-8bn-equity-funding-from-US-group/539546-4559806-7u6uj0z/index.html

Even Cellulant was cofounded by a Nigerian. Do you want proof? You just proved my point when I said Indians, whites and NIGERIANS help you build. You better drop this fruitless fight that keeps exposing how useless you little Indians are.

Cellulant was founded by Ken Njoroge and when it expanded first to Nigeria - he co-opted the Nigerian - otherwise Cellulant other African operations are all ran from Nairobi. As regard to little indians - we got 80K indians against 1M indian. So yes we are little Indians and you're BIG indians. Our Indians are doing complex business - you indians are helping you ran shops and such mundane stuff.

obaaderemi:
Even Cellulant was cofounded by a Nigerian. Do you want proof? You just proved my point when I said Indians, whites and NIGERIANS help you build. You better drop this fruitless fight that keeps exposing how useless you little Indians are.

rvp20182:
It very clear your schools are nothing elite - your architect's must be african most un-imaginative I have seen.Private quality schools like you'd find in kenya are indication of growing middle class, the same with malls & super-markets, et etc and in all indicators - it very clear - that we are second after South Africa & maybe Angola in Sub-Sahara Africa.

As regard public schools - don't start. Your funding for the entire education sector is laughable. Your teachers earn I think less than half or third of what Kenyan teachers earn. Without consistent budget from taxes - you cannot about public schools. Without middle class - you cannot about private schools.

Let's see your public schools here and stop digressing.

You're bound to cry in the toilet if I start. You see we inherited British built public schools - about 1000 public secondary schools that we call national schools and of course we've gone ahead to build many more - about 5-7K public secondary schools. We have I think about 30k primary schools - with public being around 23K - and 7K being private.

obaaderemi:
Let's see your public schools here and stop digressing.

rvp20182:
You got nothing - outside Andela (which is wrongly attributed to Nigeria - instead of New York) once off funding last year - you're way behind Kenya and South Africa.

Just this week Cellulant (Kenya) - sold some of it's shares for 40-50M dollars - that is again nearly 15B naira.Cellulant - get 47.5M dollars funding from US group.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Cellulant-gets-Sh4-8bn-equity-funding-from-US-group/539546-4559806-7u6uj0z/index.html

Even the Cellulant was partly invented by a Nigerian as well.

rvp20182:
Cellulant was founded by Ken Njoroge and when it expanded first to Nigeria - he co-opted the Nigerian - otherwise Cellulant other African operations are all ran from Nairobi. As regard to little indians - we got 80K indians against 1M indian. So yes we are little Indians and you're BIG indians. Our Indians are doing complex business - you indians are helping you ran shops and such mundane stuff.

Just admit the Little Indians tag hurts you and we will stop. What's all these tears above?

rvp20182:
Cellulant was founded by Ken Njoroge and when it expanded first to Nigeria - he co-opted the Nigerian - otherwise Cellulant other African operations are all ran from Nairobi. As regard to little indians - we got 80K indians against 1M indian. So yes we are little Indians and you're BIG indians. Our Indians are doing complex business - you indians are helping you ran shops and such mundane stuff.

Cellulant was co-founded by a Nigerian, it didn't expand first. With only 3000 dollars in their pocket they started, stop twisting facts because you don't like them.

Group Ceo is Ken and Kenya operation ran all those countries. Your Naija bro is small potato.

Daejoyoung:

Cellulant was co-founded by a Nigerian, it didn't expand first. With only 3000 dollars in their pocket they started, stop twisting facts because you don't like them.

rvp20182:
1) Anything that uses Nigeria cooked GDP is not worth talking about
2) All Andela and Jumia I have come to discovered are from Nigeria diaspora - who comeback from US to do something in Nigeria. In Kenya - nearly all tech is from kenyans who've never set their foot in any shores.

What about Konga?

nwoke37:


Yes there are some with white admixture no doubt but facts remain that even before the modern creation of Nigeria there were accounts of lightkskinned igbos who were to be slaves.

Search it up. The igbos were recognized by their light skin. It probably has to do with the igbos coming from a heavily forested region.

Yeah, just like the Southern & Central native Americans who have been in tropics for thousands of years yet maintained a lighter skin tone than Africans due to the rainforests.

Things like this are too complex for Kenyans to grasp.

If 80% (100% if you exclude village women of fulani-hausa) are bleaching; then don't blame us; We can only look for a country near Nigeria like Ghana - and determine how the original nigerians looked like.

Nowenuse:


Yeah, just like the Southern & Central native Americans who have been in tropics for thousands of years yet maintained a lighter skin tone than Africans due to the rainforests.

Things like this are too complex for Kenyans to grasp.

Daejoyoung:

l stayed most of my life in Warri and Benin, both are not major cities in Nigeria but have some private schools like the ones you posted too and many others. Standard private schools for the middle class are spread across Nigeria in majority of cities. Some are also built by Churches and they are expensive.
Truly the middle class of Nigeria is widespread.

That makes two of us. I have also lived most of my life in Warri & Benin.

Of course the majority of Nigeria's over 40 million middleclass people do not live in Lagos or Abuja. The majority live in Kano, Kaduna, PH, Benin, Enugu, Warri, Asaba, Owerri, Ibadan, Ilorin, Jos, Calabar, Awka and all over the country.

This is something that these little Indians like rvp20182, NairobiWalker, TayserMahiri etc cannot relate to.

In their country Kenya, 90% of the middleClass population live in Nairobi and perhaps Mombasa. There is no real urban life in Kenya outside both cities.

Kenya is extremely unevenly developed, hence their reason for being overwhelmingly rural and high slum populations. It's such a pity.

I now understand where most of you're coming from - you're so used to mediocrity you think the slum cities of Nigeria can qualify to be called anything - if it was in Kenya - most of your towns will be categorized as slums.

You see the difference btw Kenya, South Africa, Zim & Namibia - is that our countries under direct British rule and we had upto 200k white settlers all over the country - we know what world class is - we know what high standards are -etc - majority of other countries were British protectorate like Nigeria - and there was little that you got from the Brits (except really awful English language) - therefore a ugly box building will impress you - it won't impress us - a slum city like KANO or Ibandan or Benin - you actually think has some middle class - I mean how do you even live without electricity without revolting?

In fact Nigerians here who I think we are talking on the same wavelength - are those fortunate to have gone to countries like US, Europe, South Africa, Kenya and such countries - were people are measuring themselves by higher standards.

For example public schools - our public primary schools are bad and mostl people prefer private ones - but when it come to high schools - it the revise - and middle class & even richest - try to get to public secondary schools - because some of them are truly world class.

In short you're used to mediocrity - Here is Kenya High School Girls
[img]http://4.bp..com/-iJpVp6wFbF0/TlGlQq3OdmI/AAAAAAAAELM/jR9Zwkka7bM/s1600/today%2B191.jpg[/img]

Kenyans are always trying to sound like as if Kenya is better than Nigeria's 36 state.

Nigeria is way advanced than your country but you can dream to be up to Nigeria.

For you to know your country is flawless beside Nigeria.Every state has something good to show for.
For Example.
Akwa ibom has so many things that Lagos and Abuja doesn't have

- Nigeria's first state to have an e library
- One of Africa's best stadiums, the God's Will Akpabios stadium
- Africa's 2nd syringe manufacturing plant
- One of Nigeria's best 5 star hotels
- Nigeria's first metering manufacturing plant
- It's also one of Nigeria's best cities for relaxation and tourism
- It's also constructing a deep sea port
- and of course so many other things

Port Harcourt is also known for its abundance in oil and regarded as Nigeria's oil capital.

Kano is known to be the Economic hub of the North
Anambra has Nigeria's car manufacturing company

Ibadan has University of Ibadan, it also has the first skyscraper in Africa

So my kenya boys let me stop here,go and erase that idiosyncracy of yours that Nigeria feels intimidated by kenya or that kenya seems better than Nigeria

Kenya is a little child that still needs to grow before trying to rub shoulders with Nigeria

rvp20182:
Without degenerating further - facts is we are further ahead of you in terms of tech - kenya is the social capital of the world.

Kibera clown you don't dish out unsubstantiated claims from your kibera slum at discretion as if Nigerians are ignoramus like kibera slum dwellers.
If you were not intellectually vacuous GOOGLE would have cured your ignorance as to the most technologically advanced countries in Africa.
Stop living in Kibera, it makes one a dunce.

rvp20182:
If 80% (100% if you exclude village women of fulani-hausa) are bleaching; then don't blame us; We can only look for a country near Nigeria like Ghana - and determine how the original nigerians looked like.

You see your problem.
I showed you colonial records of colonial masters identifying Igbos as naturally light skinned people, yet it seems like that was not a good enough fact for your biased mind.


Your ignorant mind also misses out the fact that Nigerians have been intermixing with each other for centuries.
For instance, I noticed that all the tribes who are neighbors to the Igbos like Ibibios, Idomas, Igalas, Edos, Eastern Ijaws also have a large number of naturally light skinned people.

Likewise in the north almost all the tribes have mixed with fulanis somehow. Me speaking to you, I have Hausa-fulani relatives. I have Shuwa arab relatives.

Original hausas are actually dark skinned, but their extreme mixture with fulanis made many of them light skinned.
Original Kanuris are extremely dark skinned, but extreme mixture with Shuwa arabs made many of them light skinned.

So shut it if you don't know about Nigeria's history.


You are talking about using Ghana as a yardstick to identify Nigerians' complexion.
Do you know that Ghana and Ivory coast are dominated by the same Akan ethnic stock? Yet Ghanains are still darker than Ivorians on average. Why is this so?

Simple, cos most Akans from Ivory coast heavily intermarried lighter skinned northern west africans like the fulanis, touaregs etc.

Check this nairaland threads of Ivorian and Ghanaian women and compare the difference for yourself and educate yourself about west africans!

https://www.nairaland.com/843320/beauty-ivory-coast-women-most

https://www.nairaland.com/1042951/beauty-ghanaian-women

rvp20182:
I now understand where most of you're coming from - you're so used to mediocrity you think the slum cities of Nigeria can qualify to be called anything - if it was in Kenya - most of your towns will be categorized as slums.

You see the difference btw Kenya, South Africa, Zim & Namibia - is that our countries under direct British rule and we had upto 200k white settlers all over the country - we know what world class is - we know what high standards are -etc - majority of other countries were British protectorate like Nigeria - and there was little that you got from the Brits (except really awful English language) - therefore a ugly box building will impress you - it won't impress us - a slum city like KANO or Ibandan or Benin - you actually think has some middle class - I mean how do you even live without electricity without revolting?

In fact Nigerians here who I think we are talking on the same wavelength - are those fortunate to have gone to countries like US, Europe, South Africa, Kenya and such countries - were people are measuring themselves by higher standards.

For example public schools - our public primary schools are bad and mostl people prefer private ones - but when it come to high schools - it the revise - and middle class & even richest - try to get to public secondary schools - because some of them are truly world class.

In short you're used to mediocrity - Here is Kenya High School Girls
[img]http://4.bp..com/-iJpVp6wFbF0/TlGlQq3OdmI/AAAAAAAAELM/jR9Zwkka7bM/s1600/today%2B191.jpg[/img]

Is that what you call high standard? I won't give you anything from Lagos yet. Below is Christ The King College, Onitsha. It's far from Lagos. Mind you it's a public school.

I didn't see the picture - my bet is we are waiting for yet another ugly box building. Do your architects have any imagination?

obaaderemi:
Is that what you call high standard? I won't give you anything from Lagos yet. Below is Christ The King College, Onitsha. It's far from Lagos. Mind you it's a public school.

Okay that is very ugly.

obaaderemi:
Is that what you call high standard? I won't give you anything from Lagos yet. Below is Christ The King College, Onitsha. It's far from Lagos. Mind you it's a public school.

Whether you have lighter shade of dark - you're still black - just stop bleaching. You must the gay a.hole who think we actually care about the color of your skin. I don't. Again when 80% of your are ingesting dangerous chemicals to stop production of melanin - then something is wrong with you. As you know in kenya - we don't care about color - we celebrate all - and live with all - whites as snow - black as soot.

Nowenuse:


You see your problem.
I showed you colonial records of colonial masters identifying Igbos as naturally light skinned people, yet it seems like that was not a good enough fact for your biased mind.


Your ignorant mind also misses out the fact that Nigerians have been intermixing with each other for centuries.
For instance, I noticed that all the tribes who are neighbors to the Igbos like Ibibios, Idomas, Igalas, Edos, Eastern Ijaws also have a large number of naturally light skinned people.

Likewise in the north almost all the tribes have mixed with fulanis somehow. Me speaking to you, I have Hausa-fulani relatives. I have Shuwa arab relatives.

Original hausas are actually dark skinned, but their extreme mixture with fulanis made many of them light skinned.
Original Kanuris are extremely dark skinned, but extreme mixture with Shuwa arabs made many of them light skinned.

So shut it if you don't know about Nigeria's history.


You are talking about using Ghana as a yardstick to identify Nigerians' complexion.
Do you know that Ghana and Ivory coast are dominated by the same Akan ethnic stock? Yet Ghanains are still darker than Ivorians on average. Why is this so?

Simple, cos most Akans from Ivory coast heavily intermarried lighter skinned northern west africans like the fulanis, touaregs etc.

Check this nairaland threads of Ivorian and Ghanaian women and compare the difference for yourself and educate yourself about west africans!

https://www.nairaland.com/843320/beauty-ivory-coast-women-most

https://www.nairaland.com/1042951/beauty-ghanaian-women

rvp20182:
I now understand where most of you're coming from - you're so used to mediocrity you think the slum cities of Nigeria can qualify to be called anything - if it was in Kenya - most of your towns will be categorized as slums.

You see the difference btw Kenya, South Africa, Zim & Namibia - is that our countries under direct British rule and we had upto 200k white settlers all over the country - we know what world class is - we know what high standards are -etc - majority of other countries were British protectorate like Nigeria - and there was little that you got from the Brits (except really awful English language) - therefore a ugly box building will impress you - it won't impress us - a slum city like KANO or Ibandan or Benin - you actually think has some middle class - I mean how do you even live without electricity without revolting?

In fact Nigerians here who I think we are talking on the same wavelength - are those fortunate to have gone to countries like US, Europe, South Africa, Kenya and such countries - were people are measuring themselves by higher standards.

For example public schools - our public primary schools are bad and mostl people prefer private ones - but when it come to high schools - it the revise - and middle class & even richest - try to get to public secondary schools - because some of them are truly world class.

In short you're used to mediocrity - Here is Kenya High School Girls
[img]http://4.bp..com/-iJpVp6wFbF0/TlGlQq3OdmI/AAAAAAAAELM/jR9Zwkka7bM/s1600/today%2B191.jpg[/img]

Stop fooling yourself. The majority of Nigerians including myself know that our cities are not as standard as they should be, but it does not stop them from being cities.
Our cities were better planned during the regional govts and when the states were larger. That was why the first sky scrapper in Africa was built in Ibadan, Nigeria. The first radio station in Africa too.
The military rule and proliferation of states came to destroy everything. Since the return to democracy most governors have started trying to rebuild their cities.

You have not been in this thread long enough when we were comparing Kenyan & Nigerian cities with each other. Lagos vs Nairobi, Abuja & PH vs Mombasa.

I challenged a Kenyan here for us to go on a picture posting competition of High middleClass, Average middleClass, low middleClass and low income suburbs in Kenya vs Nigeria. I gave him a terrible beating and he ran away for weeks. I can refer you to those pages if you want.

Apart from the extremely beautiful estates in Kenya where only the rich live, TayserMahiri could not show me pictures of average, low middleclass and low income suburbs in Nairobi.

Kenyans call our cities slums, no problem, let us compare pictures of suburbs in Kenya & Nigeria.

India also has terrible erratic power supply and terrible roads and a large percentage of their population rely on generators, yet, that does not stop 25% of India's population (300 million people) from being middleClass.

MiddleClass is judged based on the mean income and not the amenities provided to you by your government.

Our govt may not provide steady power or water for us, but they do not tax us of these things and we provide for ourselves. Your own govt may provide for you and tax you as well.
So pls your analogy makes no sense!

If Kibera slum dwellers are human they should accept this challenge

Post pictures of your High middleClass, Average middleClass, low middleClass and low income suburbs in Kenya and we will post ours, if we don't flog you the second time then you slum dwellers are better than Nigeria.

rvp20182:
Whether you have lighter shade of dark - you're still black - just stop bleaching. You must the gay a.hole who think we actually care about the color of your skin. I don't. Again when 80% of your are ingesting dangerous chemicals to stop production of melanin - then something is wrong with you. As you know in kenya - we don't care about color - we celebrate all - and live with all - whites as snow - black as soot.

I know you don't care about our skintones but stop making stupid comments you know nothing about.

Tanzanians are on average lighter than Kenyans, South Africans than Zimbabweans and Kenyans than South Sudanese but that will never make me say that Tanzanians or South Africans are bleaching more than Kenyans because I know their histories!

Learn more before you open your mouth to vomit thrash that you cannot defend. Thanks