Icon4s:


The only game Simon started ahead of Iwobi was against Zambia in Uyo and which was because Rohr was hesitant to change the winning team against Cameroon.

Iwobi only missed the Cameroon double header because of Injury.

Iwobi came in against Zambia in Uyo and his immediate impact reconfirmed his status as first choice from that wing position.

Has Simon started any other game after that Zambia game in Uyo?

Those same facts are why I will repeat that it can be argued. Even among many here Iwobi has been recognised to have more impact coming in a sub. So what if Rohr decides to use him as a joker again? Can you predict that? Did you envisage him coming off the bench against Zambia? It's all judgment and as it stands it can tilt either way for the two of them depending on a lot of factors.

With respect to the players in the team, I can mention some monikers that you can hardly tell where they are from based on their utterances as regards player selection etc.. what makes you a tribalist is the the behavior that stems from that strong loyalty to your tribe, not the loyalty itself, or as it is in your definition, an advocate or practitioner. I want players from my social group to do well (and that's not advocacy). However, if they are not measuring up I will say it as it is. So how am I tribalistic? Just say your are a tribalist and stop trying to rope everyone in. Where are you from by the way, so we can mark you.

ykalhaji:


Dictionary definition of tribalist

"an advocate or practitioner of strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group"

So how many of us on a website "Nairaland" supporting strongly the team that is representing "us" at an international organization are not strong advocates of our social group ? Oh in this case your social group is Nigeria.

So if someone decides to go deeper and support a sub unit within the construct of Nigeria, you and the host of others who feel strongly about your Nigerian social group, shame such person to conformity in order not to destroy your own concept of the social group that Nigeria represents.
Being a tribalist is the core of being a human being. We must exist in a social context and unit for survival and sense of being.

Like I said earlier, being a tribalist, stupid and then domineering is the problem, not just being a tribalist.

MetalJigsaw:
Caniggia: Argentina Very Strong In Attack, Weak In Defence
May 26, 2018 9:42 am

Argentina great, Claudio Caniggia, has stated that the Albiceleste’s weak point going into the 2018 FIFA World Cup is in their defence line.

The two-time world champions are in Group D with Nigeria, Croatia and debutant Iceland.

Caniggia, 51, who was a member of the Argentine side that got to the final of the 1990 World Cup in Italy, said Jorge Sampaoli parades a fearsome strike force but has a poor rear guard.

“What’s in our favour is that the best attacking players can put fear into anyone,” Caniggia who scored Argentina’s two goals in their 2-1 comeback win against Nigeria in USA 1994, told FIFA.com.

“Their names (Argentina strikers)alone unsettle the opposition. The other teams don’t think: “Higuain is being criticised in Argentina”. They think: “he’s Juventus’ top goalscorer”. Our weak point is that we’re still not solid at the back, and there are still a couple of places up for grabs.”

The former Boca Junior and River Plate forward stated that Lionel Messi lacks the kind of support Diego Maradona got from his teammates during his time as captain of Argentina.

“Messi doesn’t get the same support from his teammates as Maradona did. I think that’s true.”

https://www.completesportsnigeria.com/caniggia-argentina-very-strong-in-attack-weak-in-defence/

we need to play very direct against Argentina, no need for much game play in the midfield. just like last year we can out run them at the back and get goals

Mujtahida:

That's why I said it's not clear cut. Iwobi is even more effective coming in a sub.

Its very clear that Simon will not start ahead of a fit Iwobi. Rohr started him against Zambia just to retain the team momentum.

Martz101:


because he came on and scored against zambia?

Abi, wetin you want make I talk? But regardless of the goal he made an instant impact in the team.

Iwobi suffered a dip in form just some time before the double header. I doubt if Rohr would have used him as a starter even if he were fit. Him fit withstand cameroun gri gri football?

Mujtahida:

What are the facts. It's not by saying Iwobi is a starter. Something that is arguable? Humility017 rightly opined that it depends on tactics. And if we look back at the WCQ it is hard to say who between them is a starter.
If it's your opinion or sentiment then I'd rest it but if it's based on facts it's very debatable.

iwobi has started all games but 1 in which both of them were available for selection.

OMANBALA1:


Its very clear that Simon will not start ahead of a fit Iwobi. Rohr started him against Zambia just to retain the team momentum.

Me not convinced. I will agree with your judgement but to say it is very clear. Mbanu

And let me add our corrupt leaders and as a matter of fact when it come to chop chop tribe is forgotten. it's just the lower classes that have nothing to hold on to, that are always on this tribe bs. Hence, I agree with you on this

komekn:

From my experience when thier is money to chop there is no religion and no tribe. Just the colour of the money.

Joebie:
With respect to the players in the team, I can mention some monikers that you can hardly tell where they are from based on their utterances as regards player selection etc.. what makes you a tribalist is the the behavior that stems from that strong loyalty to your tribe, not the loyalty itself, or as it is in your definition, an advocate or practitioner. I want players from my social group to do well (and that's not advocacy). However, if they are not measuring up I will say it as it is. So how am I tribalistic? Just say your are a tribalist and stop trying to rope everyone in. Where are you from by the way, so we can mark you.

Pls let's end this tribal stuff it makes the thread sick.

Joebie see what your joke don caused.Now trending in sports section that Nwakili has been invited to main team.

Remember i said what we post here matter cos a lot see this thread as first class when it cones to info on Super eagles.

Mujtahida:

What are the facts. It's not by saying Iwobi is a starter. Something that is arguable? Humility017 rightly opined that it depends on tactics. And if we look back at the WCQ it is hard to say who between them is a starter.
If it's your opinion or sentiment then I'd rest it but if it's based on facts it's very debatable.

There in no tactics employed by Rohr that will start Simon ahead of Iwobi,for now....They are not fighting for shirt. Simon is not an integral part of the team because he can be easily replaced and forgotten,on the other hand Iwobi is one of our best players.

Joebie:
hmmm

look are this.. now ask yourself again, are we all tribalist?

I keep trying to tell you guys the word in contention is "tribalist" not "tribalism".

Martz101:


iwobi has started all games but 1 in which both of them were available for selection.

Abeg kindly remind me of those games where both of them were available. I can remember Algeria tie and maybe first leg against Zambia. Beyond that it's mixed. I no sabi mathematics but the odds in favour of saying Iwobi will start as a matter of fact over Simon is negligible. That's why I said it's arguable. If it were so clear cut like Victor Moses I no go argue. But based on how things played out you can't say for sure. That's my point.

Mujtahida:

You can't say. Cos Iwobi clearly had the upper hand at the beginning of the WCQ but he suffered a dip in form and then the injury.

You used the word 'if'. So I can also argue that 'if' Simon had not been injured in the last three games he would have started.

What if Rohr decides to play the joker with Iwobi in some matches?

You can say that in your judgement Iwobi is a starter but to say it as a matter of fact me no agree. As per facts it's debatable. If it is your judgement then fine.

Ultimately you or me may be proven wrong but as it stands now none of us can confidently say Iwobi will start over Simon. Simon now sef is battling with injury and fitness.

It's like saying that between Ighalo and Iheanacho you know who the starter is. You can judge and say it's Ighalo but the WCQ and the friendlies make it difficult to determine it now beforehand.

which last 3 games are you talking about, simon was in our squad for poland and Serbia

Martz101:


I'm not saying ideye is not good but i want you to understand that good agents or player management with good network get you deals very fast and easy.

You made a point.

West brom coach haven't seen him play but he just has check his stats and the stats is convincing

tbaba1234:


Tribalist is a derogatory term.. Check your definition again.. It clearly states that. It is not just 'strong ties to tribe'.

Meriam Webster defines tribalist as

"an advocate of tribalism'

Exalting your tribe over others.

That is not the essence of being a human.

Let us just agree to disagree oga.

kai those last lines.. love it!

tbaba1234:


Tribalist is a derogatory term.. Check your definition again.. It clearly states that. It is not just 'strong ties to tribe'.

Meriam Webster defines tribalist as

"an advocate of tribalism'

Exalting your tribe over others.

That is not the essence of being a human.

andrew444:


You made a point.

West brom coach haven't seen him play but he just has check his stats and the stats is convincing

not a player will be giving such preference even with his stats, even when the big money Chinese club started spending big, his agent got him Teda deal after not doing so good in wesbrom.

players like emenike and co wan chop china money too na

Mujtahida:

Those same facts are why I will repeat that it can be argued. Even among many here Iwobi has been recognised to have more impact coming in a sub. So what if Rohr decides to use him as a joker again? Can you predict that? Did you envisage him coming off the bench against Zambia? It's all judgment and as it stands it can tilt either way for the two of them depending on a lot of factors.

Against Zambia I was among those that clamored for "you don't change a winning team". So I clamored for Simon to start.

How many games did Iwobi come in as a sub that you have concluded he had more impact as a sub?

Kog45:
Haba oga Goke juju ke

Na play i dey play o, just don't want to hear these injuries scare

lol it wasnt my joke.. I got it from OGN.. I'm sure OGN got if from here initially. It never originated with me.

Kog45:
Pls let's end this tribal stuff it makes the thread sick.

Joebie see what your joke don caused.Now trending in sports section that Nwakili has been invited to main team.

Remember i said what we post here matter cos a lot see this thread as first class when it cones to info on Super eagles.

Mujtahida:

Abeg kindly remind me of those games where both of them were available. I can remember Algeria tie and maybe first leg against Zambia. Beyond that it's mixed. I no sabi mathematics but the odds in favour of saying Iwobi will start as a matter of fact over Simon is negligible. That's why I said it's arguable. If it were so clear cut like Victor Moses I no go argue. But based on how things played out you can't say for sure. That's my point.

our last 2 friendly they were both available and iwobi started the 2 games

Iwobi excels well when he plays as a No. 10 or SS. He's a brilliant attacking Midfieder, very good on the Ball, can dictate the tempo of the Team-play and certainly effective at connecting Defence to the Attack.

I would rather start Simon on the Wing and reserve Iwobi on the Bench as a Joker, also as a direct replacement for Mikel. Do we get another creative Player in the Team aside from Mikel presently? So we want to put both our finest Eggs in the same Basket?!

Starting a Match ain't the most Important thing, rather being Effective regardless to the Minutes played. Sokjaer is regarded a Legend at Manchester United not because he's a Starter, rather a super-Sub. We ain't the Coach, and we ain't in his Brain nor part of his Backroom Staff, hence we can't conclude or decide the Lineup authoritatively.

Mujtahida:

Abi, wetin you want make I talk? But regardless of the goal he made an instant impact in the team.

Iwobi suffered a dip in form just some time before the double header. I doubt if Rohr would have used him as a starter even if he were fit. Him fit withstand cameroun gri gri football?

we don't know because we are not God or rohr to know his mind, no withstanding simon is a very important player for us and I'm sure if fit will be in worldcup

Martz101:


which last 3 games are you talking about, simon was in our squad for poland and Serbia

Including the Algeria game and Iwobi started ahead of Simon in all. Yet he doesn't want to say the obvious fact.

komekn:


Very apt description.

In my opinion which may be controversial to some I belive the first thing is OPPORTUNITY then ability. Management in connivance with agents can deny a player opportunity in favour of the play the player they want.

If you have all the ability but are denied opportunity you will amount to NOTHING.

That's why who is given opportunity and why is the most pertinent question ❓ ❓ for me. Particularly when I look behind the scenes.

for the very first time in a long while i agree with you Mr Komekn

OMANBALA1:


There in no tactics employed by Rohr that will start Simon ahead of Iwobi,for now....They are not fighting for shirt. Simon is not an integral part of the team because he can be easily replaced and forgotten,on the other hand Iwobi is one of our best players.

You don dey enter another argument with the bolded ooo. Simon is not an integral part of the team? Is this supported by the facts?

It has passed but I doubt strongly if Rohr would have used Iwobi against Cameroon even if he were fit. Why did he fall back on Ighalo who had not even played a single match in the WCQ for the double header? Do you think Iwobi would have fared well in that match?

Let me give you an insight as to why I think even if Iwobi were fit he would not have started. Check out the match between Nig and Zambia in Uyo. Leaving Iwobi on the bench was very deliberate. I repeat very deliberate. It was strategy. Moses was to start. Run the Zambians ragged and tire them out. Iwobi came in when those guys were a softened as per tiredness and his impact was immediate.

If you judge as per the nature of the opponents we'd face at the WC and say Iwobi is likely to be the starter, I no go argue but to say it as a done deal I no gree.

Martz101:


not a player will be giving such preference even with his stats, even when the big money Chinese club started spending big, his agent got him Teda deal after not doing so good in wesbrom.

players like emenike and co wan chop china money too na

Lol no b lie him get good agent

ykalhaji:


I keep trying to tell you guys the word in contention is "tribalist" not "tribalism".

the difference is clear, tribalism is a practice and tribalist is the person that practice it. bros forget the trbalism talk biko

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Oasis007:
Iwobi excels well when he plays as a No. 10 or SS. He's a brilliant attacking Midfieder, very good on the Ball, can dictate the tempo of the Team-play and certainly effective at connecting Defence to the Attack.

I would rather start Simon on the Wing and reserve Iwobi on the Bench as a Joker, also as a direct replacement for Mikel. Do we get another creative Player in the Team aside from Mikel presently? So we want to put both our finest Eggs in the same Basket?!

Starting a Match ain't the most Important thing, rather being Effective regardless to the Minutes played. Sokjaer is regarded a Legend at Manchester United not because he's a Starter, rather a super-Sub. We ain't the Coach, and we ain't in his Brain nor part of his Backroom Staff, hence we can't conclude or decide the Lineup authoritatively.

so iwobi can not start as a winger and end up in the middle of mikel final leave and who said mikel most not finish a match

OMANBALA1:
Guys, please answer this question. What exactly does Simon Moses bring to the table because I am lost here. And if I can remember vividly the only reason Simon got into that team was because of Ahmed Musa's dip in form.

Simon Moses can play the wing comfortably well with accurate crosses better than Ahmed Musa ,

He ;s also deadly when it comes to counter attack cos of his speed and ability to dribble (dont forget his show me your number dribbling )

he can take set pieces accurately well, in fact , he has scored on different occasions .

he is very dangerous in the 18yard box .

so tell me why we dont need him ?baring injury he will be at the world cup

Mujtahida:

You don dey enter another argument with the bolded ooo. Simon is not an integral part of the team? Is this supported by the facts?

It has passed but I doubt strongly if Rohr would have used Iwobi against Cameroon even if he were fit. Why did he fall back on Ighalo who had not even played a single match in the WCQ for the double header? Do you think Iwobi would have fared well in that match?

Let me give you an insight as to why I think even if Iwobi were fit he would not have started. Check out the match between Nig and Zambia in Uyo. Leaving Iwobi on the bench was very deliberate. I repeat very deliberate. It was strategy. Moses was to start. Run the Zambians ragged and tire them out. Iwobi came in when those guys were a softened as per tiredness and his impact was immediate.

If you judge as per the nature of the opponents we'd face at the WC and say Iwobi is likely to be the starter, I no go argue but to say it as a done deal I no gree.

Oga, Rohr choosed to start Simon ahead of Iwobi against Zambia in Uyo because he opted not to change his Cameroon winning team. And Iwobi came in and made the difference reminding Rohr that he is still favorite. Did Simon ever start ahead of Iwobi in our subsequent games?