EmmGee:
i believe a 3man midfield of Ndidi mikel and iwobi will be deadly. as long as Ndidi does all the dirty work perfectly.

our own busquests xavi iniesta...

still not convinced about ndidi played as the defensive midfielder just in front of the defence line

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We know all those.

The question is who is Rohr's first choice as a winger between Iwobi and Simon?

At the bolded Sir..... we can only talk about who was not is. Until we see the Lineup in a competitive Match at the Mundial precisely, then we gonna have the Answer.

Change is constant, and the only permanent thing in life is Change, thus between now and then anything can happen Sir.

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Every player has a preferred role but the coach determines where to play a player. National teams that are not much blessed with quality options typically assign roles to players in positions the team is lacking.

You cannot keep Iwobi on the bench in the Super Eagles because his favorite role is behind a striker cos we know Mikel is first choice there already.

Iwobi also plays as a winger at Arsenal so playing him as a Winger in the Super Eagles is not any where near out of place.

i know mikel is there but then lets look at iwobi from the middle and iwobi from the wings for Nigeria. in the first match against zambia he scored from the middle. in the match against algeria he was ineffective from the middle. in the match against south africa he was very ineffective. in the match against zambia he was effective but his goal came from the middle. against algeria he was flat. against argentina his two goals were from the middle. against poland he was not effective from the wings. against serbia he came alive when he disobediently drifted into the middle sensing that there was a disconnect in the team. from the middle 3 goals. from the wings no goal, no assist. what does this tell us about not just his preference but his effectiveness?

Mujtahida:

i have acknowledged that he was in the squad against poland and serbia as well as algeria. algeria nothing to fight for again. poland and serbia he had not regained full match fitness. he was out for two months and played one match for his club as a 70 min sub before the friendlies.and there was nothing for rohr to discover by forcing the situation as in playing him cos he already knew what moses could do so naturally in that circumstances iwobi started.

So you think Simon will start against Croatia even if Iwobi is fully fit?

Oasis007:


At the bolded Sir..... we can only talk about who was not is. Until we see the Lineup in a competitive Match at the Mundial, then we gonna have the Answer.

Change is constant, and the only permanent thing in life is Change, thus between now then anything can happen Sir.

thank you!!!!!. thats just my point beautifully summarized

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We know all those.

The question is who is Rohr's first choice as a winger between Iwobi and Simon?

It's Iwobi,against Poland and Serbia he was Rohr"s choice with Simeon on the bench.

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So you think Simon will start against Croatia even if Iwobi is fully fit?

i do not think so but i cannot say for a fact that Iwobi will start. its a fine point but that is my argument.

asha80:
i am surprised I have not heard any news on ebuehi and injury

He has recovered. He is training fine.

Simon Moses is not doing any training at all. He is going for a scan to determine the extent of his injury.

Ekong sat out training with a complaint yesterday but was part of training today.

Ndidi is almost there and is recuperating nicely.

asha80:
still not convinced about ndidi played as the defensive midfielder just in front of the defence line

Why

Mujtahida:

thank you!!!!!. thats just my point beautifully summarized

We can't speak of what's gonna happen in the Future since we ain't God. Also we can't decide who starts for the Team at the Mundial since we ain't in charge.

Technically the Coach might opt for Iwobi, but there are some Matches that tactically Rohr will have no other Choice but to start Simon and keeps Iwobi on the Bench.

Kog45:
GBAM Mikel is there,EOD.

hahahaha Baba you make me laugh with your gbam. but the thing dey always pain me when i see iwobi being played from the wings. it dey scatter my dada.

Mujtahida:

i know mikel is there but then lets look at iwobi from the middle and iwobi from the wings for Nigeria. in the first match against zambia he scored from the middle. in the match against algeria he was ineffective from the middle. in the match against south africa he was very ineffective. in the match against zambia he was effective but his goal came from the middle. against algeria he was flat. against argentina his two goals were from the middle. against poland he was not effective from the wings. against serbia he came alive when he disobediently drifted into the middle sensing that there was a disconnect in the team. from the middle 3 goals. from the wings no goal, no assist. what does this tell us about not just his preference but his effectiveness?

With all these you prefer Iwobi to sit on the bench so Simon can start on the wings?

I say again even with Iwobi's level of effectiveness or ineffectiveness, he is still more effective than Simon and Musa from the wings which is why he starts ahead of them.

Kog45:
Why

he is the very mobile type that runs round the midfield breaking up opponent play and getting stuck in tackles.a bit like a gattuso type player. he does not strike me like the type the plays his best just sitting in from of the defence a la makalele

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Even in his ineffectiveness he is more effective than Simon and Musa.

No Sir,ineffective Iwobi is not better than Musa and Simeon cos i saw ineffective Iwobi against Algeria in Uyo.

Mujtahida:

hahahaha Baba you make me laugh with your gbam. but the thing dey always pain me when i see iwobi being played from the wings. it dey scatter my dada.

Because the other wing options are not better.

Oasis007:


We can't speak of what's gonna happen in the Future since we ain't God. Also we can't decide who starts for the Team at the Mundial since we ain't in charge.

this is precisely why i began the debate. if you read me well i use the word "opinion", "judgment". if its based on those two words then fine. but as per facts its not so clear cut unlike in Vicmos's case. ultimately one's opinion or judgment might be prove to be correct

Kog45:
No Sir,ineffective Iwobi is not better than Musa and Simeon cos i saw ineffective Iwobi against Algeria in Uyo.

You don't get my point

They raised questions about Iwobi's effectiveness from the wings. I explained that even at that his level of effectiveness or ineffectiveness which ever way you look at it, he is better than either Musa or Simon.

asha80:
he is the very mobile type that runs round the midfield breaking up opponent play and getting stuck in tackles.a but like a gattuso type player. he does not strike me like the type the plays his best just sitting in from of the defence a la makalele

Yes you are right but this is national team where every player must play to coach instructions strictly.

He just need to sit in front of defence cos we have Onazi,Etebo,Ogu and Joel who are good CM.

Iheanacho seem to have carried his form over from Leicester.

Mujtahida:

this is precisely why i began the debate. if you read me well i use the word "opinion", "judgment". if its based on those two words then fine. but as per facts its not so clear cut unlike in Vicmos's case. ultimately one's opinion or judgment might be prove to be correct

Iwobi is clear cut favorite over Simon.

Oasis007:


We can't speak of what's gonna happen in the Future since we ain't God. Also we can't decide who starts for the Team at the Mundial since we ain't in charge.

Technically the Coach might opt for Iwobi, but there are some Matches that tactically Rohr will have no other Choice but to start Simon and keeps Iwobi on the Bench.

Give me examples of such matches in this world cup and the kind of tactics that will make Rohr start Simon ahead of Iwobi.

Mujtahida:

hahahaha Baba you make me laugh with your gbam. but the thing dey always pain me when i see iwobi being played from the wings. it dey scatter my dada.

Don't let it scatter your dada cos we have Mikel doing it better.

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You don't get my point

They raised questions about Iwobi's effectiveness from the wings. I explained that even at that his level of effectiveness or ineffectiveness which ever way you look at it, he is better than either Musa or Simon.

OK Sir

A normal person shouldn't argue who is meant to start between iwobi and moses simon if they're fit!!!

Moses simon will definitely start ahead of iwobi!!!!
Our match first match SE would definitely win with a one goal difference (2-1)

Next march trust me na that one hard pass don't argue with me but your ancestors,lol naija go escape with 1-0

Argentina..straight draw

Oasis007:


We can't speak of what's gonna happen in the Future since we ain't God. Also we can't decide who starts for the Team at the Mundial since we ain't in charge.

Technically the Coach might opt for Iwobi, but there are some Matches that tactically Rohr will have no other Choice but to start Simon and keeps Iwobi on the Bench.

Since we ain't God we cannot also say whether it is Rohr that will lead us to Russia or whether the NFF would fire him and get another coach.

We are not God naa so we can't say.

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Because the other wing options are not better.

but moses has been more effective from the wings than iwobi. in the match against cameroun he floated in one dangerous cross that vicmo could not nod home. he eventually gave an assist to moses from the wings. against cameoun he scored form the left wing after he and vicmo swapped wings. but iwobi has not given even one assist. remember iheanacho's freekick against argentina was as a result of a foul on mikel from a pass in the middle by iwobi. even musa has recorded one assist as a winger in the argentina match. iwobi none. in terms of football intelligence iwobi beats the two of them but as far as effectiveness from the wings is concerned there is nothing to supprt your assertion that iwobi is the better winger Sir

its not a matter of his preference ooo . the stats say he is more effective from the middle.

Based on what i saw in the training, I think Lokosa will start on the right, Simy in the middle and etebo on the left.

Eze will start in defence with Omeruo..

This is just a guess.

Mujtahida:

but moses has been more effective from the wings than iwobi. in the match against cameroun he floated in one dangerous cross that vicmo could not nod home. he eventually gave an assist to moses from the wings. against cameoun he scored form the left wing after he and vicmo swapped wings. but iwobi has not given even one assist. remember iheanacho's freekick against argentina was as a result of a foul on mikel from a pass in the middle by iwobi. even musa has recorded one assist as a winger in the argentina match. iwobi none. in terms of football intelligence iwobi beats the two of them but as far as effectiveness from the wings is concerned there is nothing to supprt your assertion that iwobi is the better winger Sir

its not a matter of his preference ooo . the stats say he is more effective from the middle.

You are talking about assists when Iwobi has been scoring goals when played from the wings.

How many assists you said Simon had sef?

Mujtahida:

this is precisely why i began the debate. if you read me well i use the word "opinion", "judgment". if its based on those two words then fine. but as per facts its not so clear cut unlike in Vicmos's case. ultimately one's opinion or judgment might be prove to be correct

More so...... argument ain't won by being judgmental, and in my Opinion the Purpose of a Debate is for the Audience to learn. Let's drop Stats to justify our Stance for the sake of the Audience.

What makes Iwobi a better Winger ahead of Simon and the Reason we are convinced he should be the first Choice tactically and Technically?!

Bar Injury or Fitness Problem, Simon is a Starter for Gent as a Winger. Even when he returned from Injury during the crucial moment of the Season for Gent, Kalu was sacrificed and relegated to the Bench as a Super-Sub despite been in form of his life.

Whoever envisaged Musa could deliver 2 super Goals against Argies in the last WC?! He was played on the left, hence he had the freedom and audacity to cut in and shoot.

When was the last time he played majorly on the left Wing for the Eagles, especially under Rohr?! Simon is also more effective on the left Wing, but the Position is a no go Area as far as VicMo is in the Lineup.

Kog45:
Don't let it scatter your dada cos we have Mikel doing it better.

he should even be coming in as a sub for mikel or operate as a fasle nine. me i have searched to see his effectiveness as a winger i no see ooo.we can point to matches where moses inspite of being not up to iwobi in footballing IQ still proved very effective but iwobi as a winger i no see.

at a certain point during the WCQ on this thread we were even saying that iwobi dey flop abeg especially after the algeria and south africa match. i do not think rohr would have started him against cameroun even if he were fit. yes mikel is there and doing it so well but it doesnt mean iwobi is effective from the wings.

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Since we ain't God we cannot also say whether it is Rohr that will lead us to Russia or whether the NFF would fire him and get another coach.

We are not God naa so we can't say.

Savage!

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You are talking about assists when Iwobi has been scoring goals when played from the wings.

How many assists you said Simon had sef?

moses has one assist and one goal from the wing. abeg show me one assist from iwobi operating from the wings and any goal.