kennypoka2:

That's why I had refused to write an epistle to reply you earlier. You are so opinionative... I leave you to your assertions...

Lol. Youths are afraid to make the change they seek for even when it's at their doorstep.
Bye bye yo.

DrayZee:

You know what? Fine. So to you, the 4 or 5 cultists out of thousands of students (who know they'll get expelled and imprisoned if they try rubbish) are enough to cause a reprisal. Well done. Continue.
No one will build on a faulty foundation when they can establish a completely new one. Peace.

You've gone from "no cultists in those universities " to 4 or 5. Now, how many cultists do you think it takes to launch a reprisal attack? But thats BTW. The major point you are trying to deflect from remains that real missionaries gave blacks orphanages, free and close to free primary/secondary schools etc most but your black pastors rather establish business in their name than establish those things that can be affordable to their fellow blacks who contributed to them. And your attempt to deny, downplay or deflect from that fact makes you sound like a badly brainwashed retar*d.

sangresan:


Very, very wealthy!!!

Brainwashed Nigerians..

I can't be a brainwashed Nigerian Mr man, I'm well informed before saying that,it's a fact. I can name them in thousands for you.

You guys should learn how to do relevant research, quit judging by hearsays n assumptions.

Thank you HigherEd. You have exposed the foolishness of many who pretend to be wise.

I heard Rev Dr. Chris Oyakhilome make a statement years ago. He said "you do not establish a school to make profit."

The years have gone by and I've seen those words to be absolutely TRUE. This is the same Pastor Chris who donated 1billion naira at once to Benson Idahosa University, but yet doesn't run a school of his own. It is not difficult to identify great men.

A school like Covenant University will be putting in far more than they're getting in terms of revenue.

Let the talkers continue. In these last days, the difference will become even more clear.

londoner:


I don't agree. There are lots of terrible things that have happened in the name of religion and Christianity is included. Without religion in Nigeria In THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY 'PRACTICED' Nigeria would be a much better place. Religion has been a wedge between people and a paralyser to progress in Nigeria imho.

Ok. You are about religion sir but i'm only talking about christianity. They are different .

DrayZee:

Lol. Youths are afraid to make the change they seek for even when it's at their doorstep.
Bye bye yo.

He prefers you to be a dummy without opinion or herd-thinker like him.

DrayZee:

Wow. So you mean to tell me you've not heard of the scholarship foundations most of those universities run for not-so-privileged members of their churches?
You must have heard of it.

hello, I've not heard of one, do you have a link where one can apply for the scholarship online or otherwise? Awaiting your response, Thanks.

please let me add to those question what concern the church about quality education? The work is just to teach the word of God and let us av the fear of God And Obey God commendment. Just look at it in a good way th money to build the church is paid by both the rich and the poor both only the rich ar benefitn. Am jst tired of all dis religion issue our pastors and alfas ar usin the best motor buyin private jet and the memba remain poor. They keep an tellin us christianity is the way while the other ar nt dway, islam is the way christianity is nt dway making us to fyt one another with out dfear of God dont u tink is better we stay witout religion and av the fear of God, obey is word

LaExpert:


Mr Insider Information, please can you give an analysis of the revenue and expenditure of Covenant university and stop making a fool of yourself in public.

Back to what Falz said, I have no problem with it...Church money should not be stolen and used for a private business, Fine. So where does the school you're clamouring about come in?

My profession does not allow disclosure. Does not mean I dont know.

In closing my submission, I wont waste time on people like you whose business it is that Falz highlighted. Falz mentioned politicians, fulani herdsmen, those on codeine diet, Yahoo boys, SARS, even took a swipe at the IGP. But its only "dagbo" church men who have specialised in hoodwinking the masses that are up in arms. The real men of God would be insightful and analyse the statement and ask why it resonates so much with the masses. But no. Here you are trying to "educate" me. I only pity people who key into your "educaion", because that is the source of your "market".

Am out.

princfred:
You've gone from "no cultists in those universities " to 4 or 5. Now, hw many cultists do you think it takes to launch a reprisal attack? But thats BTW. The major point you are trying to deflect from remains that real missionaries gave blacks orphanages, free and close to free primary/secondary schools etc most but your black pastors rather establish business in their name than establish those things that can be affordable to their fellow blacks who contributed to them. And your attempt to deny, downplay or deflect from that fact makes you sound retarded.

Oya now, tell where you heard of reprisal attack in Covenant or any of the other universities.
I'm not denying anything here. They gave free secondary schools, I agree (even though the government took some of them over because they weren't free )
Your missionaries did not build any university here, not to talk of making it free. There is no free university in the world. The "missionary" universities are 10 times more expensive than Covenant.
Covenant is affordable to Nigerians and that is why it doesn't lack students. They give scholarships to the intelligent but poor among them and that is enough.
If you're not smart enough to pass scholarship exam, and your pocket no reach , then go to where your pocket reach.

White Christians who built Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame for the rich also built and contributed to building free / cheap schools orphanages etc for the poor. Why black pastors and christians own must not be affordable to the poor?

Inricash:
You guys are typing out of ignorance...


Fahlz said the bitter truth without any sugar coating...


You mention cost of running a University as maybe a profit making venture not as a missionary..


Those missionaries that came to preach the gospel had several secondary school they ran for free, which one is your church running for free? And in your comparison to Government, ask yourself if the government is not also struggling to fund Secondary or even primary schools....


How do you even Justify fees in excess of a million or two in a bid to Justify the Church...

Nairaland is filled with with popular educated olodos.....write a business plan of just 10years on the running of a standard university.... You guys are just tooooo ignorant,and you wonder why 95percent Nigerian Bizs fail in less than 5years,financial illiteracy is a curse in africa

DrayZee:

Oya now, tell where you heard of reprisal attack in Covenant or any of the other universities.
I'm not denying anything here. They gave free secondary schools, I agree (even though the government took some of them over because they weren't free )
Your missionaries did not build any university here, not to talk of making it free. There is no free university in the world. The "missionary" universities are 10 times more expensive than Covenant.
Covenant is affordable to Nigerians and that is why it doesn't lack students. They give scholarships to the intelligent but poor among them and that is enough.
If you're not smart enough to pass scholarship exam, and your pocket no reach , then go to where your pocket reach.

They left and government took over and made them not free.

White Christians who built Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame for the rich also built and contributed to building free /cheap schools , orphanages etc for the poor even for Blacks. Why black pastors and christians can't build anything dedicated to be affordable to the poor? And whatever they build with peoples money must belong to them privately ? Is that how missionaries did it?

drealtruth:
hello, I've not heard of one, do you have a link where one can apply for the scholarship online or otherwise? Awaiting your response, Thanks.

Wow. For Winner Chapel and Covenant/Landmark, I think you should apply to the David Oyedepo undergraduate scholarship foundation (I think this year's own has passed). Inquire at the church if you're a member.
I don't know much for other churches.

Junior66:

How is it about profits when none of them can even meet up with 50% of their required funding? For your information, no university in Nigeria, both private and public is making any profit. I had a brother at Joseph Ayo Babalola University (JABU) once and he said the school needed counterpart funding from the church to the tune of about 80 million naira every month to able to keep running. As a rest the school started owing salaries of staff for months. Tell me if that school is making any profit at all.

pointless...... which cost are you talking about... if not pay the lectures, building, non academic staff and equip the school?

The only set of people speaking against church here are the poor, trust me. Who is forcing you to pay tithe? who is begging you to give for the building of the church or for univesities? how much is the poor giving compared to what the rich is giving as tithe? if the church sponsor all the poor people what about the rich? may i remind you that no one start great every one started small to become great, it all about survival of the fittest. Before we judge the church let not forget that we are the church and if you are not giving to the poor in your locality so why dnt we all cut the crap huh?
Falz that is talking how many poor people has he helped personally? is he not a rich person?
#judgers

princfred:
The amount people contribute is not the issue as whatever "small" amount can be the persons riches . I may have only 100# and give 90% its as valuable as a man who contributed 150# out of his 1 million riches . Christ made that abundantly clear. The issue here is; is it Christianly moral to collect #1 from 30 million poor people and use it to do things they cant benefit from when there are things some of them can benefit from that can be done? Answer that question sincerely without deflection, ad hominin attacks etc

EXACTLY! yes it is d hrt to which comes frm.n i meant dat wen i stated giving 'grudgingly',i believe u knw dat encompasses all intents .As 4 my stating worth(figure), i use dat 2 drive down a point. (permit my abreviations, my hands are buzy).

Government with all it's funding , you will see state universities that pay up to #1.5 million yearly to study medicine (check Edo state university, Iyamho). Even other state universities where school fees is not less than 300k. Esut pays #300k as developmental levy not school fees oh and people are spewing trash about churches.
Even in Islamic universities (Alhikmah, Illorin) you need almost 700k to read law.
The basic truth is that to give quality educations is costly and if you can't pay for it, settle for anything that you see in public university.

OK, let's just say that covenant reduces it's school fees to #200k today and in the next 2 years, they fold up. It's the same people that are talking today that will say the church went to carry load that they can't carry.


Biko, if falz thinks it's easy let him tell his daddy to open university for the poor and also become a pastor so that he will use offering to subsidize school fees. If he ever does it, I will start going to his church.
How much do most of the people even give??, that will pay pastors, run church programmes like Shiloh and the rest, social services and then fund the universities??

Many Nigerians are good detractors, if they don't like the church they should stop paying offering nah. The same
people will send their wards to Cornell University, to pay huge school fees but if they see their fellow Nigerian, they will feel that he is eating all the school fees.

Abi, when a Professor in Babcock don't see his alert at month end, you will tell him that you are doing the work of the Lord by reducing school fees for the poor. As if you knew how hard he worked to defend his thesis.


If you no fit go church universities, go to Islamic universities or other private universities, otherwise keep writing jamb and wait for God's time.

princfred:
They left and government took over and made them not free.

White Christians who built Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame for the rich also built and contributed to building free /cheap schools , orphanages etc for the poor even for Blacks. Why black pastors and christians own must not be affordable to the poor?

The point here is that they did not build free universities anywhere. And the ones they built are not cheap either.
They also have scholarships for the poor to attend their secondary schools. Stop closing your mind.
If you know you're determined to leave here with the same mindset you came with, then inform me now. I can't be typing to someone who's not willing to accept when he's wrong.

Wantedmiller:


pointless...... which cost are you talking about... if not pay the lectures, building, non academic staff and equip the school?

..it will not be well with all your enemies that made you like this....very annonying to hear youths talk like this,no iota financial of understanding....go and take a weekend course on financial studies/business management/book keeping,...your life would never remain the same

HigherEd:

I may need to school you again on what a profit making university is. Harvard with $25 billion endowment and 15 million naira/annum tuition is not a profit making university. Neither is Stanford nor Yale. That a university is collecting 10 million naira a year doesn't make it profit making. When we say a university is non profit. It simply means that the founders have elected to reinvest all revenue into the system.
The only faith based university in Nigeria that i am aware of being a profit making university is Alhikmah university which is Islamic.


Which yeye loophole. That is why you have a government you voted for. Even the Isrealites who had a thin line between Religion/State didn't expect nonsense from the synagogue. The church can't veer into full blown political governance and leave matters of spirituality relegate to the background. The essense of the church is to feed the spirit and soul not the belly. The church can give you food but does not have to give you a job.


Lol don't talk about an issue you know nothing of. NUC license more universities because there is shortage of universities. Nearly a million Nigerian youths are denied spaces every year in unis due to unavailable spaces.




What are you saying lol. The Adventist church has over 100 universities splashed across USA and Europe. There is no organisation in the world that owns half as much universities as the catholics. According to Professor Okebukola the catholic church has about 3,000 universities splattered across the globe. The Church of Christ owns/affilited to hundreds of universities in North America. The baptist church owns about 70 universities in the US. Combine all the government universities in the US they don't have 1/10th of universities belonging to churches. And amazingly govt partly funds the church universities there too and they are still not free.

If providing jobs is the government responsibility solely so the church can't provide jobs, den educating its citizens is still govt responsibility. Y is d church choosing which govt responsibility it wants to take up if not greed

DoblyYou:



I didn't finish reading. I stopped at "just N50". N50 is "just" when paid by a woman with N100! Why do we need these UNIs sef.??

But you did not take note when also said giving in grudging intent. So i did not base my arguement on 'the substance' alone but also on intensions of heart which covers a spiritual notion.

Alot of people have digressed from the point here but it's ok. Everyone wants to talk.

Is good upbringing and godly devotion meant for "the few poor but intelligent ones who can pass scholarships"?
Is Christ teachings meant for only class who can pay high fees??

The church shouldn't have set up institutions that can only be available to a select few in the society. Institutions that further widen the gap between the rich and the poor shouldn't have any place within the church.

My grandma was quite poor, her English wasn't so good coz it was tainted with Yoruba accent but her writing is so beautiful ! She writes in cursives! She went to a missionary school and paid close to nothing.

Think about it: If the Temple/Synagogue in Jesus time had a University and Peter and Luke were to write scholarship exams, who do you think would have gotten scholarship to study medicine? The system might have pronounced Peter a dullard and Luke as intelligent. Churces should think about Jesus first in all dealings.

They should build primary and secondary school that are still quite easier to manage and make it available to the masses. University education isn't the pinacle of success.

Pentools:


I can't be a brainwashed Nigerian Mr man, I'm well informed before saying that,it's a fact. I can name them in thousands for you.

You guys should learn how to do relevant research, quit judging by hearsays n assumptions.

I thought you would name your hitherto wealthy pastors....

Who is holding you back...?

Name them...

ladygudhead:
But you did not take note when also said giving in grudging intent. So i did not base my arguement on 'the substance' alone but also on intensions of heart which covers a spiritual notion.

I don't think anyone has the right to say such ma. The rich can give N30,000 grudgingly. We are humans. The church's mandate is to spread the good news of Christ not to search people's heart.

Everyone just talking about uni ....is that the only point falz was passing across?


He was trying to replicate childish gambino.

A lot is going on in both countries (violence, corruption etc) but we seem to be carried away. No one seems to be talking.

donnie:
Thank you HigherEd. You have exposed the foolishness of many who pretend to be wise.

I heard Rev Dr. Chris Oyakhilome make a statement years ago. He said "you do not establish a school to make profit."

The years have gone by and I've seen those words to be absolutely TRUE. This is the same Pastor Chris who donated 1billion naira at once to Benson Idahosa University, but yet doesn't run a school of his own. It is not difficult to identify great men.

A school like Covenant University will be putting in far more than they're getting in terms of revenue.

Let the talkers continue. In these last days, the difference will become even more clear.

Bless you brother.

Nukilia:


The church is an instrument of social re-engineering! The church is doing a great job by keeping countless number of our youths in Nigeria. The money still keep circulating in Nigeria. Kudos ... A time will come when these universities will provide scholarships... Intelligent folks run the church of today in the face of reckless politicians who would rather make shoe shinners out of the youths

The church should stick to church activities, if u want to provide education den let it be affordable. Paying million for sch fees is crazy, d church is only collect !money from politicians who have stolen our collective resources and feeding fat with it

donnie:
Thank you HigherEd. You have exposed the foolishness of many who pretend to be wise.

I heard Rev Dr. Chris Oyakhilome make a statement years ago. He said "you do not establish a school to make profit."

The years have gone by and I've seen those words to be absolutely TRUE. This is the same Pastor Chris who donated 1billion naira at once to Benson Idahosa University, but yet doesn't run a school of his own. It is not difficult to identify great men.

A school like Covenant University will be putting in far more than they're getting in terms of revenue.

Let the talkers continue. In these last days, the difference will become even more clear.

It's because of guys like this that one seldom comment on Nairaland...

Pastor Okotie donated his hard-earned money ba?

princfred:
We try to make the church better with constructive criticism and advice. However you want to interpret it

"However you mant to see it" if i had used this same line in my own arguement you would have fault it. You would wrong to critize on such sentiment.

CodeTemplar:
So let us reason it further brethren.
A man earn #50,000 and can't afford to pay #600, 000 as fee per annum, he pays his tithe of #5,000 in accordance with the covenant and now wants the church to flip his average annual tithe of #60,000(#5000/month) into #600,000 in form of subsidized education.
It takes a level of dead conscience for such a thought to flow through a sane mans mind.

All u have ended up analyzing is business. Which makes d church a business organization.