NairobiWalker:


They reason like those respective names so I don't think I am that bad a guy.

Definitely u aint bad

theenchanter:
Thank God it's just an online brawl, no missiles and weapons.

Thank God u guys didn't kill urself over nonentity.

Hahahahaha, I agree with you,man. One south African ediot once boasted he was going to beat up a Kenyan if he could see him and Kenyans have threatened Nigerians with homosexual rape here. You wouldn't believe what you read here at times.

NairobiWalker:


The current one is even more embarassing to you. See.

Kenya's GDP 2010 = $40 billion
Kenya's GDP 2018 = $88 billion
% Increase = 120%

Nigeria's GDP 2010 = $369 billion
Nigeria's GDP 2018 = $410 billion
% increase = 11%

It's clear Kenya's mid class has increase way more than Nigeria's.

You of all people should know that middleclass percentage is not a direct function of the GDP nor per capital of a country. It is how well the wealth is evenly spread.
Kenya's GDP might increase by 2 folds, but what difference does it make if the additional fold is limited to the hands of Indians, Somali business men, Kenyatta and their families?

Also, tell us the source of your chart. What is the source? Is that so difficult?

Nowenuse:


You of all people should know that middleclass percentage is not a direct function of the GDP nor per capital of a country. It is how well the wealth is evenly spread.
Kenya's GDP might increase by 2 folds, but what difference does it make if the additional fold is limited to the hands of Indians, Somali business men, Kenyatta and their families?

Also, tell us the source of your chart. What is the source? Is that so difficult?

Definitely when an economy is doing well, everything improves. You would be an idiot to think the GDP can more than double while the middle class remains stagnant.

NairobiWalker:


The current one is even more embarassing to you. See.

Kenya's GDP 2010 = $40 billion
Kenya's GDP 2018 = $88 billion
% Increase = 120%

Nigeria's GDP 2010 = $369 billion
Nigeria's GDP 2018 = $410 billion
% increase = 11%

It's clear Kenya's mid class has increase way more than Nigeria's.

but if a Nigerian posted GDP whatever, u guys don't believe it, why?

theenchanter:
but if a Nigerian posted GDP whatever, u guys don't believe it, why?

Well, I still think the $410 billion is pretty overstretched for Nigeria considering the kind of shi.t.ty your country is but I take it just because I got the data from IMF.

NairobiWalker:


You're really pathetic. The whole street is a sewage, there are people defeacating openly in the same neighborhood and you're really adamant. lol. So according to you that's not a slum?

where the place u posted.

What if it's not in Nigeria?

Nowenuse:


Hahaha. Little Indians brag more than their power. The way they actually brag about issues, if you are not careful, you will actually fall for it and take their country with some high esteem. Only for you to discover that it's nothing.

Otherwise why should countries like Ghana & Cameroon have a higher middleclass percentage than almighty Little India? The largest economy in East Africa?

I actually take Tanzanians more seriously than Kenyans. They don't brag much, but achieve a lot.

In frustration the kibera walker had to post a chart with no source bearing 2010. And yes Cameroon has a bigger middle class than Little Indian. Unbelievable. Tanzanians are way better. Largest economy in east Africa on paper and I think Ethiopia is ahead of them now. How come?

NairobiWalker:


You're really pathetic. The whole street is a sewage, there are people defeacating openly in the same neighborhood and you're really adamant. lol. So according to you that's not a slum?

Stop being stupid and think and analyze before you write.
That picture of open defecation was different from the first one. Look closely!

Also look at this picture below. A flood washed away litters from a dump site into this street. The water will dry up leaving this litters behind. Will that make this street a slum? It will simply leave it an unsanitized street. Get the difference! Don't just rush to make a comment cos you want to make a point!

theenchanter:
but if a Nigerian posted GDP whatever, u guys don't believe it, why?

You would understand if you happened to come from a country with a $50bn economy dominated by Indians, Arabs,Whites and Nigerians.

Nowenuse:


Stop being stupid and think and analyze before you write.
That picture of open defecation was different from the first one. Look closely!

Also look at this picture below. A flood washed away litters from a dump site into this street. The water will dry up leaving this litters behind. Will that make this street a slum? It will simply leave it an unsanitized street. Get the difference! Don't just rush to make a comment cos you want to make a point!

The photos I posted are definitely not of litter washed by floods. Look son, look.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724192_ajegunlelagosslumnigeria_jpege7c935ae2d296c980caf68e5fa8834e9

Nowenuse:


Stop being stupid and think and analyze before you write.
That picture of open defecation was different from the first one. Look closely!

Also look at this picture below. A flood washed away litters from a dump site into this street. The water will dry up leaving this litters behind. Will that make this street a slum? It will simply leave it an unsanitized street. Get the difference! Don't just rush to make a comment cos you want to make a point!

He can only stop being stupid when he cures himself of his addiction to nairaland.

TayserMahiri:


Ok, you guys dont spoil SA.

You give us a nice 'developed world' image out there, in the meantime before we get there.

And keep supplying these guys with fresh bread at shoprite

, We can't do that mistake, We will make sure that : They get that fresh bread none stop

TayserMahiri:



Obama's dad's dyck was enough to make a president. Whoever would've raised him wouldn't matter.

Only an iidiot would say it doesn't matter who raised a child or where he was raised.

TayserMahiri:



Obama's dad's dyck was enough to make a president. Whoever would've raised him wouldn't matter.

They are mad Kenya produced an American president.

Nowenuse:


Pls this chart is very outdated! What is the source? And what the heck is floating class?

Like I told you before, stick to women's handbags and women's dresses. Economics is not for you if you don't understand what floating class is. The source of this data is Afdb

https://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/uploads/afdb/Documents/Publications/The%20Middle%20of%20the%20Pyramid_The%20Middle%20of%20the%20Pyramid.pdf

MPSA:


, We can't do that mistake, We will make sure that : They get that fresh bread none stop

Shoprite belongs to white South Africans who still own your country even after the whole world had to make the Boer lift his boot from your stringy necks.

NairobiWalker:


Definitely when an economy is doing well, everything improves. You would be an idiot to think the GDP can more than double while the middle class remains stagnant.

Gosh. Do I have to educate you little indians all the time.

Do you know that Equatorial Guinea has the highest income per capital in Mainland Africa save for Mauritius?
Equatorial Guinea is the only country that qualifies for a proper middle income country in Africa. Infact in GDP (ppp) per capital it is regarded as a high income economy with the likes of European countries. Yet with all the economic growth, there is still widespread poverty in the country. This is because the country has a very corrupt government and elite class who hold on to the majority of the country's wealth.

African countries like SA that are far larger in size than EG (Equatorial Guinea) and barely up to half in per capital income compared to EG rank higher in HDI than EG.
EG keeps on growing in GDP, but it does not reflect in the life of it's citizens.
Mauritius that has a per capital income as high as EG and also small in size like EG is doing far far better than EG. Poverty is non-existent there, and it is ranked as a high HDI country.

So, it is even very possible for a country's economy to grow while it's middleclass population reduces.

obaaderemi:
Shoprite belongs to white South Africans who still own your country even after the whole world had to make the Boer lift his boot from your stringy necks.

Oooooh Please! Everything that you see in Shoprite is from South Africa, The boers are 100 % South Africans, Since we were with them here in South Africa from the beginning, even before you can think about South Africa, I don't understand your point at all, Shoprite is owned by South Africans, The color it doesn't matter Useless animal

NairobiWalker:

The photos I posted are definitely not of litter washed by floods. Look son, look.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724192_ajegunlelagosslumnigeria_jpege7c935ae2d296c980caf68e5fa8834e9

First of all. Let me make you know that this picture is an old picture of Ajegunle many years ago. Nowhere in Ajegunle currently looks like this right now.

Besides, how do you know if the litters in this street were not washed there by floods?
Those houses in the street are well built concrete houses which must have been there for a long time. They couldn't have been built on these litters. The litters came to meet those permanent structures there.

This picture below, if the street is not tarred and these numerous litters are not cleared away after the water dries up. It would be no different from that of the Ajegunle picture.

obaaderemi:
Shoprite belongs to white South Africans who still own your country even after the whole world had to make the Boer lift his boot from your stringy necks.

Most of you think as if whites arrived yesterday in South Africa, SA whites are like me, We share so many things with them, We are all South Africans, You must put that one in your mind, Shoprite belongs to us South Africans, The same way with your soccer team

NairobiWalker:


Dude, it's simple................when you have ancient houses in your country, you either choose to demolish them or keep them and maintain them. That's what happens worldwide and that's why those European cities have very old buildings yet they are very clean and beautiful. It's absurd to keep cities this dirty and this ugly in the name of conserving culture - nobody would respect you for having cities that look like this.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724294_20130703110715_full_jpeg7ccfede4411bf462e73178e0406d50cc

Yeah, we know that. But does that qualify these places as slums with the likes of Kibera? Certainly not! And that is the main issue here.

MPSA:

Most of you think as if whites arrived yesterday in South Africa, SA whites are like me, We share so many things with them, We are all South Africans, You must put that one in your mind, Shoprite belongs to us South Africans, The same way with your soccer team

Ok, so why don't you go and compare your SA with fellow European countries whose foundations were laid by white people?

There is no sense in comparing countries whose foundations were laid by black africans with that of white Europeans.

TayserMahiri:


You must be living in a slum Nowe. Those things with antennae over there are slums

That's not even Nigeria to begin with. Show us a full picture and tell us the names of the places.

TayserMahiri:


Natives and non-natives? That sounds like serious segregation in your city

There is no real segregation. Many of the modern houses in the city are also owned by the same natives.

West Africa has been a densely populated area compared to East Africa where large swathes of the lands were uninhabited.
So, it has always been difficult for you to move many kilometers in Nigeria without finding a native settlement.

Urban areas develop into native settlements. The natives cannot vacate their ancestral lands because of urbanization.

The only form of segregation comes with local government and community government rights and privileges of indigenous communities.

Nowenuse:


Ok, so why don't you go and compare your SA with fellow European countries whose foundations were laid by white people?

There is no sense in comparing countries whose foundations were laid by black africans with that of white Europeans.

Oooooh Please, You did nothing in Nigeria, All the backward buildings that you see in Nigeria, is the left overs of the whites, You did absolutely nothing in Nigeria beside Makoko You aren't special at all You must beat your chest with Makoko, beside that forget

Nowenuse:


Hmmm, I will give you an all round disgrace for your lying ass here.
So, you mean Umoja is solely for low class Kenyans?

Look below and see the lowest house rent prices I could find for for a 2 bedroom appartment in Umoja.
Over 700,000 naira per annum?

then compare it with that of Surulere where such can be gotten for half the price!

Now, I see why the majority of Nairobians live in slums. It seems like housing in Nairobi is quite expensive.. And mind you, Surulere is not even the cheapest part of Lagos, as it still has lots of middle class people.

Another thing is that these 2 bedroom appartments in Umoja are all multiple story buildings (barack houses as we say in Nigeria, with so many tenants and no privacy) where people must climb 5 or 6 story building to get to their houses at the top, yet still so expensive. And this is supposed to be the poorest part of Nairobi save for the slums.

Please I need other Kenyans to help me explain this. Why is house rent in Nairobi so expensive?

TayserMahiri, mtis, kikuyu1, rvp20182

How come all of you guys could not give me a response till now on why Kenyan houses are so expensive and unafordable for the majority of Kenyans?

After all the bragging from you guys especially that KiberaWalker aka NairobiWalker? Just see how I disgraced and exposed you here.

We are still waiting till now for an explanation.

I think the Kenyan govt does not cut it's coat according to it's size. Why build cities and houses that are unaffordable to the majority of Kenyan citizens? Are they being built for the rich Indians and Somali business men and their families?
If your govt does not stop this madness in Kenya, your slums will keep on growing larger.

In Nigeria, no matter how low your income is, you can still afford a decent housing in any urban area because there are neighborhoods that suit every pocket size.

As expensive as Abuja main city is because it was built from the scratch, there are still many cheaper suburbs and satelite towns within Abuja metro where one can get a decent house for a very cheap price.

Kenya as a country is a scam if you ask me. A very discriminatory country where many portions of the population have less or no rights.

Things are being done in Kenya to impress the world and to show off, not necessarily for the wellbeing and happiness of the majority of the population.


Just as I read that Garissa and the entire northern Kenya were just connected to the national power grid in 2016.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000201941/northern-kenya-is-finally-connected-to-national-grid

That means that since independence till now, almost the entire northern region of Kenya with it's millions of people never had access to electricity while Nairobians brag of enjoying 24 hours electricity?? Is that fair? Is that not discrimination at it's highest level?

As far back as decades, the entire Nigerian urban areas all over the nook and crannies of the country had access to power. In the state where I live, some rural areas even enjoy more stable power than those in urban areas.

My small hometown of origin with barely 30,000 people in the more vast underdeveloped northern region of
Nigeria has been connected to electricity many years before I was born.

Only mostly interior rural areas of Nigeria have not been connected to electricity till now, but in every state in Nigeria, at least half to 3/4 of the population have been connected to electricity for long.


You can imagine, Since there are millions of Somalis and Oromos in Kenya. I asked for you guys to show me at least one native Somali or Oromo city or urban economic centre in Kenya and I couldn't get any till now.

So, why has a large part of the country been kept so underdeveloped till now? What sort of discrimination is that? So these Somalis and Oromos have to travel hundreds of miles to Nairobi to access major urban amenities or services that can only be available in cities?


Now I see how different Kenya is from Nigeria and how different your development is from ours.

Nigeria as a country has the mentality of 'A father dividing one loaf of bread equally among his 10 children so that everyone has a taste no matter how small it may be'
WHILE

kenya is more like 'A father dividing a loaf of bread among some children, satisfying them well, while leaving the others to starve'.

MPSA:

Most of the people want to establish more informal settlement since the announcement of this plan, No, No it is still on table of discussions , More signs of informal settlement is already in the house But our government is working very hard to control the situations at this moment
South Africa is beautiful


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR20OQ__UNQ

I get the impression your land issue is a hot potato introduced by your Elites to divide the voters. Both Malema and Ramaphosa are acting out a script.
BTW has Ramaphosa expounded on his land repo plan?

Learn to summarize. Garissa had off-grid power. They are alot of towns in Kenya that have such power. It doesn't mean they had no power.

Nowenuse:


How come all of you guys could not give me a response till now on why Kenyan houses are so expensive and unafordable for the majority of Kenyans?

After all the bragging from you guys especially that KiberaWalker aka NairobiWalker? Just see how I disgraced and exposed you here.

We are still waiting till now for an explanation.

I think the Kenyan govt does not cut it's coat according to it's size. Why build cities and houses that are unaffordable to the majority of Kenyan citizens? Are they being built for the rich Indians and Somali business men and their families?
If your govt does not stop this madness in Kenya, your slums will keep on growing larger.

In Nigeria, no matter how low your income is, you can still afford a decent housing in any urban area because there are neighborhoods that suit every pocket size.

As expensive as Abuja main city is because it was built from the scratch, there are still many cheaper suburbs and satelite towns within Abuja metro where one can get a decent house for a very cheap price.

Kenya as a country is a scam if you ask me. A very discriminatory country where many portions of the population have less or no rights.

Things are being done in Kenya to impress the world and to show off, not necessarily for the wellbeing and happiness of the majority of the population.


Just as I read that Garissa and the entire northern Kenya were just connected to the national power grid in 2016.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000201941/northern-kenya-is-finally-connected-to-national-grid

That means that since independence till now, almost the entire northern region of Kenya with it's millions of people never had access to electricity while Nairobians brag of enjoying 24 hours electricity?? Is that fair? Is that not discrimination at it's highest level?

As far back as decades, the entire Nigerian urban areas all over the nook and crannies of the country had access to power. In the state where I live, some rural areas even enjoy more stable power than those in urban areas.

My small hometown of origin with barely 30,000 people in the more vast underdeveloped northern region of
Nigeria has been connected to electricity many years before I was born.

Only mostly interior rural areas of Nigeria have not been connected to electricity till now, but in every state in Nigeria, at least half to 3/4 of the population have been connected to electricity for long.


You can imagine, Since there are millions of Somalis and Oromos in Kenya. I asked for you guys to show me at least one native Somali or Oromo city or urban economic centre in Kenya and I couldn't get any till now.

So, why has a large part of the country been kept so underdeveloped till now? What sort of discrimination is that? So these Somalis and Oromos have to travel hundreds of miles to Nairobi to access major urban amenities or services that can only be available in cities?


Now I see how different Kenya is from Nigeria and how different your development is from ours.

Nigeria as a country has the mentality of 'A father dividing one loaf of bread equally among his 10 children so that everyone has a taste no matter how small it may be'
WHILE

kenya is more like 'A father dividing a loaf of bread among some children, satisfying them well, while leaving the others to starve'.

NairobiWalker:


These houses have toilet facilities and ceilings?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3724192_ajegunlelagosslumnigeria_jpege7c935ae2d296c980caf68e5fa8834e9

Hahaha

TayserMahiri:
just feel like y'all cant sleep well without some therapy from the 254


Kenya

beautiful

Nowenuse:


How come all of you guys could not give me a response till now on why Kenyan houses are so expensive and unafordable for the majority of Kenyans?

After all the bragging from you guys especially that KiberaWalker aka NairobiWalker? Just see how I disgraced and exposed you here.

We are still waiting till now for an explanation.

I think the Kenyan govt does not cut it's coat according to it's size. Why build cities and houses that are unaffordable to the majority of Kenyan citizens? Are they being built for the rich Indians and Somali business men and their families?
If your govt does not stop this madness in Kenya, your slums will keep on growing larger.

In Nigeria, no matter how low your income is, you can still afford a decent housing in any urban area because there are neighborhoods that suit every pocket size.

As expensive as Abuja main city is because it was built from the scratch, there are still many cheaper suburbs and satelite towns within Abuja metro where one can get a decent house for a very cheap price.

Kenya as a country is a scam if you ask me. A very discriminatory country where many portions of the population have less or no rights.

Things are being done in Kenya to impress the world and to show off, not necessarily for the wellbeing and happiness of the majority of the population.


Just as I read that Garissa and the entire northern Kenya were just connected to the national power grid in 2016.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000201941/northern-kenya-is-finally-connected-to-national-grid

That means that since independence till now, almost the entire northern region of Kenya with it's millions of people never had access to electricity while Nairobians brag of enjoying 24 hours electricity?? Is that fair? Is that not discrimination at it's highest level?

As far back as decades, the entire Nigerian urban areas all over the nook and crannies of the country had access to power. In the state where I live, some rural areas even enjoy more stable power than those in urban areas.

My small hometown of origin with barely 30,000 people in the more vast underdeveloped northern region of
Nigeria has been connected to electricity many years before I was born.

Only mostly interior rural areas of Nigeria have not been connected to electricity till now, but in every state in Nigeria, at least half to 3/4 of the population have been connected to electricity for long.


You can imagine, Since there are millions of Somalis and Oromos in Kenya. I asked for you guys to show me at least one native Somali or Oromo city or urban economic centre in Kenya and I couldn't get any till now.

So, why has a large part of the country been kept so underdeveloped till now? What sort of discrimination is that? So these Somalis and Oromos have to travel hundreds of miles to Nairobi to access major urban amenities or services that can only be available in cities?


Now I see how different Kenya is from Nigeria and how different your development is from ours.

Nigeria as a country has the mentality of 'A father dividing one loaf of bread equally among his 10 children so that everyone has a taste no matter how small it may be'
WHILE

kenya is more like 'A father dividing a loaf of bread among some children, satisfying them well, while leaving the others to starve'.

In Kenya houses are not Expensive at all ask Pavore a Nigerian who has been here for long, Or any Nigerian who has been here for long. We pay one month Rent and a month deposit for anew house unlike Nigeria where you have to pay ayear or so for anew house.

Most of the cheap houses will never be advertised coz the demand is there, When you see places like Umoja, Pipeline, Donhom,Kayole, ... Advertising houses just know the the rate is beyond the reach of many people around that place... Amsure is the same in Nigeria..

Btw the Northan Kenya is not as populated as the Northern Nigeria, the whole region has less than 10m people, the Region has so much potential but so few peole. In some areas you can drive 50-100km without spotting asingle person.

We have small nice towns in the north.. I will share if you insist.