andrew444:


Okay bro now i get you,and mind you i said he was poor,that does not make him not to be the best option in the middle of the park after ndidi and mikel,i was just comparing him to 2014 thats all

ok man

Martz101:


you actually don't need all the spead in the world to be a good midfielder, how about his other quality.

*nice short passes
*good body balance
*intercepting ability because of his ability to read the game well
*good left foot shots that result to goals
*good with air both for attacking or defending

Last time I checked, yaya toure is as slow as a tortoise.... Buuuuuuuuut.....highly effective. Pace isnt everything. Technique and effectiveness will get you what pace cannot. This doctrine of pace was brought about because of our mad love for the EPL. Nothing more. How much of gra gra soccer do we see in Germany or spain or even italy. .?

I will not talk until after the England game. Then we can place skill and pace side by side and decide which is better.

Joebie:
Like I don’t know. Stats is not everything. It MAY have worked for his clubs because of the chemistry in the team. Which player in the SE right now can pull a cross from the left. Victor Moses a true winger because he can do almost anything from there. Cut in, he can. Dribble he can. Crosses he can. I don’t care who we deploy as a left winger as long as we have someone who can deliver that cross when it is most needed.
That one moment could be the match decider.

Modified
I meant victor Moses from the RW

That was were he played mostly in the Nigerian league before he left for Europe.

Rohr just gather players without considering their natural role.

He is a makeshift CMF or AMF in the National team.

Let see how things go this friendly. Maybe we can have a clue of what is on Rohr's mind.

Oasis007:


Thanks for reminding me Hazard and De Bruyne play the same Position on the Pitch. Sometimes I do find it baffling the kinda style of your Arguments.

How many Times Dudes would say Mikel and VicMo are the Heartbeats of the Eagles?! In fact they are the Wings of the Eagle according to some Folks. Do you know..... why cos the Team lacks creativity without them.

Now ask yourself, why the Team lacks creativity despite the presence of Iwobi in the Team?! The Answer is as clear as Daybreak, coz he's wrongly used on the Pitch.

What's Etebo doing in the Hole?! Is he a Playmaker, Creator or what?! Why wasting Iwobi on the Wing when you know he's less productive there and can easily fade off in the Position?!

I've said it before,[/b] Iwobi played not as a Winger at Arsenal; don't be fooled by the Lineup, rather pay Attention to it's Interpretations on the Pitch. Iwobi play as an AM with freedom to roam and swap Position(s) with other AMs.[b]

I don't know why simple Arithmetic does turn to further Maths most time on this Forum. I made a Point, if you have a contrary view, tackle it with verifiable Stats and let's engaged in a healthy Debate instead of getting emotional and ending up being sentimental.

I.e as an inverted winger. A few people have said the same. It honestly depends on who is playing in the middle. He can obviously swap positions with an Ozil but not a Mikel. This is why I've been advocating for moving Mikel a bit deeper. Play Iwobi or even Etebo (if you're afraid of Iwobi's workrate) in front. When you have Iwobi - Etebo - Vic Moses or Simon Moses - Iwobi - Vic Moses behind Ighalo/Iheanacho, what you have is a very mobile and fluid front 4 capable of interchanging position at will.
A Mikel as a Dlp can still be a big creative influence. Build up play will be better and they'll still be enough creativity in the final third.

Oasis007:


Tactics......! playing on the Side(s) of the Midfield doesn't mean you are a Winger, wing-forward precisely. Ask yourself this simple Question pls....... does Arsenal play on the Wing?! Do they play with Wingers?!

If we are talking of being patient, read before jumping to Conclusion; then I suggest you need to heed your own Advice. You really don't care whatever the Points anyone gives as far as its contrary to your view...... why?!

Can you compare all our Wingers based on their Stats and perhaps make your Conclusions on who deserves to be play on the Wing?!

No you need to read because what you are saying now has already been said before

i explained in details what most 4-2-3-1 is all about, you just dey go back and forth repeating what has been said before

komekn:


One question ❓ How many of the so called innit boys have you spoken too . By the way I am not an agent.

You have EVADED the substance of this discourse which is not Nwakali but a system that enthrones subjective favouritism over objective measured substantiated quality consistent continous outstanding performance.

Your response is garnished with your prejudice over the divide you create with what you define as Nigerians.

You may find it hard to believe, but it's actually easier for a Nigerian national youth team player to get in than an innit boy as you put it.

Your prejudiced sentiment is underpinned with lack of knowledge bigotry, very sad indeed.

Very Sad.

Martz101:


In as much as i don't like Agu that much, the coach has the right to take him if he feel he did better than the rest.

Where NFA dey when joel,Martins and ideye were dropped for Uchebo, ameobi and Reuben

You sound like you just stArted following the SE.

NFF still get to influence some of the list. Take it from me, Etebo won't be dropped for Agu. Take this to the bank.

Etebo is even more useful than Agu and can do what Agu can't do.

We have 3 of Agus in the SE already but 1 of Etebo.

asha80:
no way..improvised position in the national team..no way a winger

he played there in wolves and the Olympic team

In this jet age, i hope it wasnt paid in cash when we have banks?

M7even:
Some crisis amongst NFF officials. This has to do with 250,000 dollars they received from Rivers state governor. Money is said to have been missing

somehow:


You sound like you just stArted following the SE.

NFF still get to influence some of the list. Take it from me, Etebo won't be dropped for Agu. Take this to the bank.

Etebo is even more useful than Agu and can do what Agu can't do.

We have 3 of Agus in the SE already but 1 of Etebo.

people here are always in a rush to jump and attack without reading well, now take a look at the attached picture and correct your self...i said i don't like Agu

forgiveness:


That was were he played mostly in the Nigerian league before he left for Europe.

Rohr just gather players without considering their natural role.

He is a makeshift CMF or AMF in the National team.

Let see how things go this friendly. Maybe we can have a clue of what is on Rohr's mind.

oga that's where he plays for his club

edi287:

I.e as an inverted winger. A few people have said the same. It honestly depends on who is playing in the middle. He can obviously swap positions with an Ozil but not a Mikel. This is why I've been advocating for moving Mikel a bit deeper. Play Iwobi or even Etebo (if you're afraid of Iwobi's workrate) in front. When you have Iwobi - Etebo - Vic Moses or Simon Moses - Iwobi - Vic Moses behind Ighalo/Iheanacho, what you have is a very mobile and fluid front 4 capable of interchanging position at will.
A Mikel as a Dlp can still be a big creative influence. Build up play will be better and they'll still be enough creativity in the final third.

good tactical idea, but will be useful for very much lesser team and not against Croatia midfield and Argentina attack

Yes, it's gonna be LIVE on BeinSport USA 11AM on Sunday. And you can check your local Bein sports channel as well, if you live outside the US.

But for some reasons, they don't have England vs Nigeria anywhere on TV. I find that strange.


O pari

Famocious:

Oh oh... I didn't get to see any of their previous friendlies . Definitely, I will try to see their game against the Samba boys

kennysville:


Last time I checked, yaya toure is as slow as a tortoise.... Buuuuuuuuut.....highly effective. Pace isnt everything. Technique and effectiveness will get you what pace cannot. This doctrine of pace was brought about because of our mad love for the EPL. Nothing more. How much of gra gra soccer do we see in Germany or spain or even italy. .?

I will not talk until after the England game. Then we can place skill and pace side by side and decide which is better.

Thank you for bringing up yaya toure.

Yaya toure has been slow from his twenties which is his Barca days under pep,he was never a fast player,he knows how to guide he got no much pace,he is regarded as one of the best midfielders.

What about busquets? That na na snail,but very good with the all and one of the best DM for the past 8 seasons,so being slow doesn't really matters

komekn:


Getting into European youth academy football is easier for a Nigerian youth international than an innit boy. You made the proposition that it's much harder for boys coming from Nigeria to get into football than boys here.

The branding of Nigerian youth international will open doors for you in Europe unlike Nigeria origin players coming from local clubs in England.

The case of Ademola Lookman comes to mind from Sunday football to EPL player within 3 years. Invited by Nigerian age grade but not followed through. England then got him.

Who do you then blame


It's bigotry to create division in the negative between what you define as Nigerian. You dismissed by substance and intent by excluding Nigerian origin players as being not Nigerian.

The same rhetoric is behind tribalism and racism.

That's why I termed it bigotry. Do you understand my position now.

I've known Tega since he was 15 at Tottenham and he had to prove himself over many years. The same goes for Ovie who left Arsenal for Liverpool, Seyi was different he came to Liverpool at 14 with a £1.8 million price tag. Last season Newcastle put in a bid for £10 million Liverpool refused.

Nwakali is not an expensive investment for Arsenal it's a speculative one. He has been sent out on loan to prove his potential, sadly nonymous in the much lower Dutch leagues. That essentially means he has not justified the investment. When a player goes on loan if he performs his value and rating go up if he does not they go down.


Consider Tega Abrahams I've known him for quite a long time too. One season in the Championship and his value sky rocketed. Easy access to the EPL now he is wanted by several EPL clubs even after the relegation of Swansea.

How many Eredivisie clubs tried to buy Nwakali question ❓how many asked for a loan move ❓ Almost none why Is Rohr and the NFF the only ones that can see his esteemed talent. Na only dem get � eye.

I refer you to a previous post where I gave countless examples of former youth players that cost huge money now playing non league in England.

Considering all these variables do you still hand on heart ♥ honestly think that we are talking about Exceptional Talent For a 20 year old player.

In reality if Nwakali had been outstanding in the Eredivisie, became the stand out player. It would be possible using exceptional talent proviso to get a work permit for him. He would then be playing for Arsenal or some other top club. But as it stands the possibility of him ever playing for Arsenal is near impossible.

The only way his career can progress is on the back of national team selection.

I hope he understands that bolded and stop the stereotype mentality.

Etebor can not play the central nor defensive midfielder than Agu and you can take that to the back.

Fans are literally queueing up in the streets of London to buy the newly launched super eagles world cup kit. Weird!

Etebo was a left winger for Warri Wolves ? I have to check that.

Clubs will not take players who are bent on playing only their natural roles. Which is why you see players who would say they are willing to play any role to help the team. It’s all about the teams needs at every giving point in time.

forgiveness:


That was were he played mostly in the Nigerian league before he left for Europe.

Rohr just gather players without considering their natural role.

He is a makeshift CMF or AMF in the National team.

Let see how things go this friendly. Maybe we can have a clue of what is on Rohr's mind.

Martz101:


people here are always in a rush to jump and attack without reading well, now take a look at the attached picture and correct your self...i said i don't like Agu

And did my post say otherwise if you actually read my response with an opened mind?

My post responded to your comment accordingly. Didn't say you like nor hate him.

Asking where NFF was when the names you listed were dropped doesn't change anything.

Now, lets continue talking football.

somehow:


You sound like you just stArted following the SE.

NFF still get to influence some of the list. Take it from me, Etebo won't be dropped for Agu. Take this to the bank.

Etebo is even more useful than Agu and can do what Agu can't do.

We have 3 of Agus in the SE already but 1 of Etebo.

Etebo won't be drop for agu,yes na who no no dat 1.

But that etebor na wuru wuru player ,thou a versatile player

Martz101:


oga that's where he plays for his club

Do you understand the word mostly?

He started playing regularly in the La Liga.

Good analysis, edi. This is actually what I have advocated here in the forum a few times. And that system would improve us defensively as well, especially against a loaded midfield team like Croatia. Unfortunately, I don't think that Mikel would ever agree to give up that #10 role.


O pari

edi287:

I.e as an inverted winger. A few people have said the same. It honestly depends on who is playing in the middle. He can obviously swap positions with an Ozil but not a Mikel. This is why I've been advocating for moving Mikel a bit deeper. Play Iwobi or even Etebo (if you're afraid of Iwobi's workrate) in front. When you have Iwobi - Etebo - Vic Moses or Simon Moses - Iwobi - Vic Moses behind Ighalo/Iheanacho, what you have is a very mobile and fluid front 4 capable of interchanging position at will.
A Mikel as a Dlp can still be a big creative influence. Build up play will be better and they'll still be enough creativity in the final third.

Joebie:
Etebo was a left winger for Warri Wolves ? I have to check that.

Clubs will not take players who are bent on playing only their natural roles. Which is why you see players who would say they are willing to play any role to help the team. It’s all about the teams needs at every giving point in time.

Yes!

Infact, he was the second highest goalscorer at one time in the NPFL.

He's a forward player and not a defensive minded player.

I will rather drop a midfielder to accommodate Etebo because of Simon's fitness.

Sometimes if goal craze enter em head, he can perform wonders.

As in! na all over the world our players go dey receive curse. lolll. I just hope they will be able to handle this pressure coming from this Jersey of a thing

Mujtahida:

Make God no let us fvck up for pitch ooo cos the meltdown go dey epic

I believe it is a marketing strategy. Make it scarce while demand is high. What do you expect will happen? People will be willing to pay more. How can Nike not have extra production

realpoacher:


Something has to be done about this world cup hasn't even started and Jersey is sold out.

This is bad management decision and forecast by Nike...

Let Nike contract its production out, within a week they can get a restock so that people can get this Jersey

Icon79:
Good analysis, edi. This is actually what I have advocated here in the forum a few times. And that system would improve us defensively as well, especially against a loaded midfield team like Croatia. Unfortunately, I don't think that Mikel would ever agree to give up that #10 role.


O pari

For me, it's the only way we can deal with teams that'll decide to press us from the front. Onazi - Ndidi pivot gives us a solid defensive foundation but I honestly doubt it'll be able to handle relentless pressing. Mikel will eventually have to drop deep and we know Onazi and Ndidi don't contribute too much attacking wise. It's honestly a shame Joel Obi hasn't been able to bring his club form to the team. He'd have been a better option than Onazi imo. He's better on the ball and is just as energetic. It's not clicking for the guy

kennysville and andrew, thank you both for a very sound analysis right there!

Most fans think that speed in football is all about pace. That's totally wrong! Speed in football is all about time-space management. This entails proper reading of the game to cover passing lanes when you lose the ball and freeing up yourself receive pass when in the offense. To break it down to elementary school levels, it's denying your opponent the time and the space to operate. Like the legendary Xavi said “At Barcelona we understand football as a time-space concept”.


O pari

andrew444:


Thank you for bringing up yaya toure.

Yaya toure has been slow from his twenties which is his Barca days under pep,he was never a fast player,he knows how to guide he got no much pace,he is regarded as one of the best midfielders.

What about busquets? That na na snail,but very good with the all and one of the best DM for the past 8 seasons,so being slow doesn't really matters

Joel OBi na sure banker enroute Russia

Is presence alone you can't dare to dribble him and he put any player another lot of pressure, so they can make mistake!!!!

Ogu and Agu
Only God knows

Icon79:
kennysville and andrew, thank you both for a very sound analysis right there!

Most fans think that speed in football is all about pace. That's totally wrong! Speed in football is all about time-space management. This entails proper reading of the game to cover passing lanes when you lose the ball and freeing up yourself receive pass when in the offense. To break it down to elementary school levels, it's denying your opponent the time and the space to operate. Like the legendary Xavi said “At Barcelona we understand football as a time-space concept”.


O pari

Yes o bros,tell dem

Martz101:


good tactical idea, but will be useful for very much lesser team and not against Croatia midfield and Argentina attack

It could work if Joel Obi can transfer his club form to SE.
Mikel as DLP with Ndidi and J Obi in front him. Joel Obi can also play on the left. He's quite mobile and can drift out wide. Unfortunately it's not clicking for him

Eleniyan15:
Joel OBi na sure banker enroute Russia

Is presence alone you can't dare to dribble him and he put any player another lot of pressure, so they can make mistake!!!!

Ogu and Agu
Only God knows

I'm not too sure. I'm a big fan of his but he isn't playing anywhere close to his best. I wouldn't be surprised if he got dropped for Agu

How can someone propose that the coach should drop one of the most mobile midfielder we have in our team. It amazes me!!

forgiveness:


Yes!

Infact, he was the second highest goalscorer at one time in the NPFL.

He's a forward player and not a defensive minded player.

I will rather drop a midfielder to accommodate Etebo because of Simon's fitness.

Sometimes if goal craze enter em head, he can perform wonders.