Amarabae:

Don't change the topic.
He is talking about how all other health professionals wanted to read medicine but failed.

The tragedy here is that an old, most beloved, and respected profession like nursing in Nigeria will be hijacked by unreasonable, but loud mediocre professionals like the medical lab techs who do nothing but agitate as a hobby. Once again, I know, because I used to be one of them. JOHESUS 's only motive is to equalize their pay, not their work load with those of the doctors. A fraud that only happens in Nigeria. Ask yourself how did nurses get involved with JOHESUS in the first place?

I used the late professor akunyili to make a point.
Everybody wanted to read medicine yet in every year jamb, people who put Nursing science as first choice surpass those who put medsurg.

So nice you'd bring up Akunyili. She aspired to the top of her profession, JOHESUS wants to apire to the top of another person's profession, because all they think about is the money, not the education, responsibility, or work load.

I am not here for professional comparism jamboree.
Just wanted to correct his delusion that was enshrined into him in the medical school.

You got to be proud of any profession you chose. Professional jealousy is like persoanl jealousy-evil.

The Nigeria health sector is in a mess because of a profession that do not want their business.
Health service is a team work, foreign doctors know that, that's why nurses, lab scientists etc over there are very happy to work with them.
This recent johesu strike have shakes down the little professional harmony that exist in the health sector

By harmony, do you mean professional identity crisis where med lab techs wake up in the morning thinking that they too are physicians? That's not harmony, that a misconception that is better ended.
Nurses know more, do more, and earn more than med techs here in NYC, but in Nigeria, the reverse maybe the case, because what started as a joke when I was studying med lab tech in Nigeria in the 1980s has attracted and consumed the reverend nursing profession. Nightingale would be disappointed.

naijaking1:


The tragedy here is that an old, most beloved, and respected profession like nursing in Nigeria will be hijacked by unreasonable, but loud mediocre professionals like the medical lab techs who do nothing but agitate as a hobby. Once again, I know, because I used to be one of them. JOHESUS 's only motive is to equalize their pay, not their work load with those of the doctors. A fraud that only happens in Nigeria. Ask yourself how did nurses get involved with JOHESUS in the first place?

So nice you'd bring up Akunyili. She aspired to the top of her profession, JOHESUS wants to apire to the top of another person's profession, because all they think about is the money, not the education, responsibility, or work load.

You got to be proud of any profession you chose. Professional jealousy is like persoanl jealousy-evil.

By harmony, do you mean professional identity crisis where med lab techs wake up in the morning thinking that they too are physicians? That's not harmony, that a misconception that is better ended.
Nurses know more, do more, and earn more than med techs here in NYC, but in Nigeria, the reverse maybe the case, because what started as a joke when I was studying med lab tech in Nigeria in the 1980s has attracted and consumed the reverend nursing profession. Nightingale would be disappointed.

I'm assuming you studied medical lab technology because definitely from all your comments, you never obtained d B.MLS degree....why so much hatred for d biomedical science profession?

bmlsbmls:

I'm assuming you studied medical lab technology because definitely from all your comments, you never obtained d B.MLS degree....why so much hatred for d biomedical science profession?

No need talking about degrees with you, because I am doing quite well as an MD.
When you seek to enhance your capabilities, not just your pocket, then come talk to me.

nobilis:


Imagine this guy.

Go and ask them na.

Why are you asking me?

These are questions Mr that need to be addressed. I thought your are from NMA? Why did you skip this question

asuustrike2009:

These are questions Mr that need to be addressed. I thought your are from NMA? Why did you skip this question

Skip which question, oga.

I was not the one that sued JOHESU to court.

I am not a member of the organization that sued JOHESU to court.

I don't know why the organization chose to sue JOHESU to court and didn't sue NMA to court when NMA went on strike.

So if I ask you to go and find these answers out from that organization itself, does that mean I am skipping your question?

nobilis:


Skip which question, oga.

I was not the one that sued JOHESU to court.

I am not a member of the organization that sued JOHESU to court.

I don't know why the organization chose to sue JOHESU to court and didn't sue NMA to court when NMA went on strike.

So if I ask you to go and find these answers out from that organization itself, does that mean I am skipping your question?

You are because you seems to know details about NMA

asuustrike2009:

You are because you seems to know details about NMA

Are you making any sense?

What has NMA got to do with suing JOHESU to court.
Are you okay?

nobilis:


Are you making any sense?

What has NMA got to do with suing JOHESU to court.
Are you okay?

They are. They are too curious to know what goes on between Johesu and the federal government. There is no way they can't deny ever thwarting the effort of Johesu. The evidence is so glaring for all to see

asuustrike2009:

They are. They are too curious to know what goes on between Johesu and the federal government. There is no way they can't deny ever thwarting the effort of Johesu. The evidence is so glaring for all to see

OK then.

Make whatever conclusions and inferences you want to make.
It is your cup of tea.

But don't be parading them as facts.
Because they are just your opinions.

nobilis:


OK then.

Make whatever conclusions and inferences you want to make.
It is your cup of tea.

But don't be parading them as facts.
Because they are just your opinions.

It is so obvious that Nigeria doctors don't want other health workers to climb. When ASUU went on strike I didn't see other union interfering.

asuustrike2009:

It is so obvious that Nigeria doctors don't want other health workers to climb. When ASUU went on strike I didn't see other union interfering.

Like I asked you before, when you say climb, what exactly do you mean?
Where exactly are they climbing to?
But you never answered that question.

JOHESU was the one that brought NMA into their agitation for better pay.

If you work in a company and you want your employer to increase your salary, do you go to him and start comparing your salary with that of your fellow employee?
Is that the right thing to do?

Instead of JOHESU to agitate for better pay like they said, they are comparing their salaries with that of doctors and even telling lies about it just to gather public sympathy and you're here talking rubbish.

So you're saying if NASU goes on strike tomorrow and asks the FG to pay them the same thing that lecturers and professors are being paid, you're trying to tell me that ASUU will just fold their arms and keep quiet?

Always stand on the side of truth.
It will go a long way to help you.
But if feeding on JOHESU propaganda is what you want, then, by all means, go ahead.
But don't come here and make it sound like you're looking for the truth.
Because it is obvious you are not.

I hope you're listening to Radio Link on Radio Nigeria right now.

nobilis:


Like I asked you before, when you say climb, what exactly do you mean?
Where exactly are they climbing to?
But you never answered that question.

JOHESU was the one that brought NMA into their agitation for better pay.

If you work in a company and you want your employer to increase your salary, do you go to him and start comparing your salary with that of your fellow employee?
Is that the right thing to do?

Instead of JOHESU to agitate for better pay like they said, they are comparing their salaries with that of doctors and even telling lies about it just to gather public sympathy and you're here talking rubbish.

So you're saying if NASU goes on strike tomorrow and asks the FG to pay them the same thing that lecturers and professors are being paid, you're trying to tell me that ASUU will just fold their arms and keep quiet?

Always stand on the side of truth.
It will go a long way to help you.
But if feeding on JOHESU propaganda is what you want, then, by all means, go ahead.
But don't come here and make it sound like you're looking for the truth.
Because it is obvious you are not.

First of all, Johesu salary can never be same has NMA. Relating to ASUU and Nasu, it is not possible
Secondly, there was an agreement signed by the government hence they have to honour it
Thirdly am not taking sides but it seems NMA is exercising ego. NMA shouldn't have interfer in the first place. When Nasu went on strike, I didn't see where ASUU was going on air to counter Nasu. I didn't see where they threatened to go on strike should Nasu's pay increase. Why would NMA come on air in the first place. They have the minister of health and minister of labour taking side with them. Why should they bother themselves using the media?. Until we have neutral persons heading administrative areas in the ministry and hospitals, we would continue to witness rival between these profession.

asuustrike2009:

First of all, Johesu salary can never be same has NMA. Relating to ASUU and Nasu, it is not possible
Secondly, there was an agreement signed by the government hence they have to honour it
Thirdly am not taking sides but it seems NMA is exercising ego. NMA shouldn't have interfer in the first place. When Nasu went on strike, I didn't see where ASUU was going on air to counter Nasu. I didn't see where they threatened to go on strike should Nasu's pay increase. Why would NMA come on air in the first place. They have the minister of health and minister of labour taking side with them. Why should they bother themselves using the media?. Until we have neutral persons heading administrative areas in the ministry and hospitals, we would continue to witness rival between these profession.

I will respond to the parts of your comment that I bolded.

1. Thank God you know the salaries of the two groups can never be the same.
But that is what they are asking for.
They are not asking for it directly and openly because they know that it will be absurd and foolish for them to do so.
So, instead, they are going about it in a roundabout manner makinv it look they are the victims and unless you follow all the issues that surround their strikes from the very beginning and how things are obtained elsewhere in the world in relation to the relationship between doctors and other health workers, you won't see the lies they are telling and you won't know that that is what they are doing.

Call one of them and ask them the main reason JOHESU was formed.
Ask them.
If they will tell you the truth, you will see for yourself.

Since they know what is good, let them agitate for all of them to be started on the same grade level 9 (CONHESS 08). Whether it is pharmacists, nurses, lab scientists, records clerks, accountants, security officers, ward attendants and cleaners.
Let them ask the FG to start all of them at the same grade level 9 (CONHESS 08) since all of them are in the same union.

Open your eyes, oga. But if you want to keep them closed and be part of the propaganda, then be my guest but stop quoting me when you're pursuing your propaganda. Because I don't believe I will spend my time to lay the truth bare to you but you will just keep holding onto your unfounded bias without basis.

2. You are clearly taking sides because you don't fully understand what is going on and you are already accusing NMA of being egotistical. That NMA is trying to protect what is their right is not being egotistical. Is it when NMA allows JOHESU to be paid the same salary with them that you will now say they are not egotistical and they are good people?

Guy, are you okay?
You are clearly biased. Because if you are not, I don't see why you will see all the facts I have presented to you and even the ones that I asked you to research and cross-check for yourself, I don't see how you will see all of that and still be accusing doctors of being egotistical.

I have stated it time and again.

NMA has been urging the FG to honor her agreements with JOHESU so that they can return to work.

However, NMA maintains that relativity in salaries must be maintained.
If you increase JOHESU salaries, then you have to increase the salary of doctors too.

For example, the trending upward review of the minimum wage.
Do you think that those members of the NLC that are in higher cadres who as things are now are being paid more than 18500, do you think that when the minimum wage is increased, their salaries won't also be increased to maintain that difference in levels?

Think with your head please.


3. ASUU didn't go on strike to protest against NASU salary increase because NASU did not go about comparing their salaries with ASUU.
They went to government independently and asked for salary increase. They were not dragging ASUU salary structure into their negotiations with the government.

But in this case, JOHESU are the ones that dragged NMA into their negotiations with the government. They are the ones that started publishing salary comparisons between themselves and NMA and even in comparing those salaries, they started telling lies about the amount doctors are being paid. So what do you want NMA to do? To keep quiet?


Guy, it's obvious you are biased.

Initially, I thought you just wanted to find out the truth about what is really happening and find out the real reasons behind JOHESU agitations.

But it is now clear that you are just looking for an avenue to vent your pent-up bias against doctors.

Well done bros.

naijaking1:


The tragedy here is that an old, most beloved, and respected profession like nursing in Nigeria will be hijacked by unreasonable, but loud mediocre professionals like the medical lab techs who do nothing but agitate as a hobby. Once again, I know, because I used to be one of them. JOHESUS 's only motive is to equalize their pay, not their work load with those of the doctors. A fraud that only happens in Nigeria. Ask yourself how did nurses get involved with JOHESUS in the first place?

So nice you'd bring up Akunyili. She aspired to the top of her profession, JOHESUS wants to apire to the top of another person's profession, because all they think about is the money, not the education, responsibility, or work load.

You got to be proud of any profession you chose. Professional jealousy is like persoanl jealousy-evil.

By harmony, do you mean professional identity crisis where med lab techs wake up in the morning thinking that they too are physicians? That's not harmony, that a misconception that is better ended.
Nurses know more, do more, and earn more than med techs here in NYC, but in Nigeria, the reverse maybe the case, because what started as a joke when I was studying med lab tech in Nigeria in the 1980s has attracted and consumed the reverend nursing profession. Nightingale would be disappointed.

Now I understand your pain. You failed out of the medical laboratory Science. Your pain should continue as we have no solution to your bitterness.

nobilis:


I will respond to the parts of your comment that I bolded.

1. Thank God you know the salaries of the two groups can never be the same.
But that is what they are asking for.
They are not asking for it directly and openly because they know that it will be absurd and foolish for them to do so.
So, instead, they are going about it in a roundabout manner makinv it look they are the victims and unless you follow all the issues that surround their strikes from the very beginning and how things are obtained elsewhere in the world in relation to the relationship between doctors and other health workers, you won't see the lies they are telling and you won't know that that is what they are doing.

Call one of them and ask them the main reason JOHESU was formed.
Ask them.
If they will tell you the truth, you will see for yourself.

Since they know what is good, let them agitate for all of them to be started on the same grade level 9 (CONHESS 08). Whether it is pharmacists, nurses, lab scientists, records clerks, accountants, security officers, ward attendants and cleaners.
Let them ask the FG to start all of them at the same grade level 9 (CONHESS 08) since all of them are in the same union.

Open your eyes, oga. But if you want to keep them closed and be part of the propaganda, then be my guest but stop quoting me when you're pursuing your propaganda. Because I don't believe I will spend my time to lay the truth bare to you but you will just keep holding onto your unfounded bias without basis.

2. You are clearly taking sides because you don't fully understand what is going on and you are already accusing NMA of being egotistical. That NMA is trying to protect what is their right is not being egotistical. Is it when NMA allows JOHESU to be paid the same salary with them that you will now say they are not egotistical and they are good people?

Guy, are you okay?
You are clearly biased. Because if you are not, I don't see why you will see all the facts I have presented to you and even the ones that I asked you to research and cross-check for yourself, I don't see how you will see all of that and still be accusing doctors of being egotistical.

I have stated it time and again.

NMA has been urging the FG to honor her agreements with JOHESU so that they can return to work.

However, NMA maintains that relativity in salaries must be maintained.
If you increase JOHESU salaries, then you have to increase the salary of doctors too.

For example, the trending upward review of the minimum wage.
Do you think that those members of the NLC that are in higher cadres who as things are now are being paid more than 18500, do you think that when the minimum wage is increased, their salaries won't also be increased to maintain that difference in levels?

Think with your head please.


3. ASUU didn't go on strike to protest against NASU salary increase because NASU did not go about comparing their salaries with ASUU.
They went to government independently and asked for salary increase. They were not dragging ASUU salary structure into their negotiations with the government.

But in this case, JOHESU are the ones that dragged NMA into their negotiations with the government. They are the ones that started publishing salary comparisons between themselves and NMA and even in comparing those salaries, they started telling lies about the amount doctors are being paid. So what do you want NMA to do? To keep quiet?


Guy, it's obvious you are biased.

Initially, I thought you just wanted to find out the truth about what is really happening and find out the real reasons behind JOHESU agitations.

But it is now clear that you are just looking for an avenue to vent your pent-up bias against doctors.

Well done bros.

All you explained are valid and convincing but you know that we are carrying out investigation

Napoleondegreat:


Now I understand your pain. You failed out of the medical laboratory Science. Your pain should continue as we have no solution to your bitterness.

Do they fail out of MLS. How cowardly. Even a mediocre student will at least get a 3rd class and move on.

asuustrike2009:

First of all, Johesu salary can never be same has NMA. Relating to ASUU and Nasu, it is not possible
Secondly, there was an agreement signed by the government hence they have to honour it
Thirdly am not taking sides but it seems NMA is exercising ego. NMA shouldn't have interfer in the first place. When Nasu went on strike, I didn't see where ASUU was going on air to counter Nasu. I didn't see where they threatened to go on strike should Nasu's pay increase. Why would NMA come on air in the first place. They have the minister of health and minister of labour taking side with them. Why should they bother themselves using the media?. Until we have neutral persons heading administrative areas in the ministry and hospitals, we would continue to witness rival between these profession.

If you change the subject from salary to job responsibility, you'd understand the foolery of your position.
JOHESU is an unholy alliance of other jealous hospital workers formed against the physician's salary, not their duties, not their job responsibilities, not the amount of hours they spent. How much physicians are paid was the reason for JOHESUS, not how much work the doctors do.

In a sane clime, organizations like JOHESUS would be illegal. What happened to good professional organizations like the nurses association, association of pharmacists? I remember many years ago when someone said that med lab techs would garner more 'power' if they could trick nurses and pharmacist into an organization to fight doctors. Today, it's called JOHESUS.

Napoleondegreat:


Now I understand your pain. You failed out of the medical laboratory Science. Your pain should continue as we have no solution to your bitterness.

I did not fail out of med lab tech or science as you call it. Passed with highest score in bacteriology, practiced for a year before proceeding to medical school where I also excelled. Today, I'm a practicing physician with NY, CT, GA, TX medical licenses. What's you got? JOHESUS

MrBigiman:


Do they fail out of MLS. How cowardly. Even a mediocre student will at least get a 3rd class and move on.

You're wrong.... There's no 3rd class in MLS.... anyone with a CGPA below 2.5 will be withdrawn

davbravo:
You're wrong.... There's no 3rd class in MLS.... anyone with a CGPA below 2.5 will be withdrawn

My guy go and rest, haba now. I know a Lab science students who kept packing carry overs like a military medal. She eventually managed to finish. I have to contact with her, but I am sure she'll be somewhere agitating for parity with Doctors. My guy, try and rest. Lab science is not a course. Nobody, except academically deficient or couldn't meet up medicine or pharmacy or is afraid of failing picks up that course. Congrats u are one, but doesn't make it a sort after course in anyway. 5year of academic mediocrity, now seeking for 6.

naijaking1:


I did not fail out of med lab tech or science as you call it. Passed with highest score in bacteriology, practiced for a year before proceeding to medical school where I also excelled. Today, I'm a practicing physician with NY, CT, GA, TX medical licenses. What's you got? JOHESUS

Don't mind those kids my brother. I have seen several support course come back to read medicine, and when they do, they profess that they really weren't studying anything initially.

MrBigiman:


My guy go and rest, haba now. I know a Lab science students who kept packing carry overs like a military medal. She eventually managed to finish. I have to contact with her, but I am sure she'll be somewhere agitating for parity with Doctors. My guy, try and rest. Lab science is not a course. Nobody, except academically deficient or couldn't meet up medicine or pharmacy or is afraid of failing picks up that course. Congrats u are one, but doesn't make it a sort after course in anyway. 5year of academic mediocrity, now seeking for 6.

Very funny.... MLS is a sort after course, you can confirm that from the statistics on jamb's portal, only a few end up making it to College of Medicine(about 50 of us here in UNILAG) and barely half of this number end up graduating when they're meant to , to show that it's not as simple as you make it sound. I don't know of other schools, but the pass mark for all courses here is 50 apart from 100l courses(premedical year) and as I said before, they don't graduate 3rd class(CGPA below 2.5) here, such a person will end up being withdrawn. I chose MLS as my first and only choice and I can tell u I'm not academically deficient, same with majority of my course mates. I don't know why you're trying to belittle this course, what do you gain in doing all these. Healthcare is all about team work, None of us can do it alone.

MrBigiman:


My guy go and rest, haba now. I know a Lab science students who kept packing carry overs like a military medal. She eventually managed to finish. I have to contact with her, but I am sure she'll be somewhere agitating for parity with Doctors. My guy, try and rest. Lab science is not a course. Nobody, except academically deficient or couldn't meet up medicine or pharmacy or is afraid of failing picks up that course. Congrats u are one, but doesn't make it a sort after course in anyway. 5year of academic mediocrity, now seeking for 6.

I so much doubt this information. Here at lautech, there's nothing like carryover in the department. Once a student gets an F grade in any course, he/she automatically repeats that level. Back then in 100L days, over 20 students had to cross out because of one F grade

bmlsbmls:

I so much doubt this information. Here at lautech, there's nothing like carryover in the department. Once a student gets an F grade in any course, he/she automatically repeats that level. Back then in 100L days, over 20 students had to cross out because of one F grade

Same at UNILAG, any student that has a single Carryover from 100l will not be allowed to cross to College of medicine

MrBigiman:


Don't mind those kids my brother. I have seen several support course come back to read medicine, and when they do, they profess that they really weren't studying anything initially.

you really think it's easy to pass in biomedical science department without studying extremely hard?

davbravo:
You're wrong.... There's no 3rd class in MLS.... anyone with a CGPA below 2.5 will be withdrawn

the recent 300L students that crossed over to the clinical stage were just 75 out of over 150 initially. The lowest CGPA was 3.0

bmlsbmls:

the recent 300L students that crossed over to the clinical stage were just 75 out of over 150 initially. The lowest CGPA was 3.0

They think studying MLS is so easy. I know people with CGPA above 4.0 out of 5 that already have an extra year cos they failed 1st prose which is a prerequisite for 2nd prose....

naijaking1:


If you change the subject from salary to job responsibility, you'd understand the foolery of your position.
JOHESU is an unholy alliance of other jealous hospital workers formed against the physician's salary, not their duties, not their job responsibilities, not the amount of hours they spent. How much physicians are paid was the reason for JOHESUS, not how much work the doctors do.

In a sane clime, organizations like JOHESUS would be illegal. What happened to good professional organizations like the nurses association, association of pharmacists? I remember many years ago when someone said that med lab techs would garner more 'power' if they could trick nurses and pharmacist into an organization to fight doctors. Today, it's called JOHESUS.

It then prove from your assertion that NMA are egoist. How can a normal person argue with frustration without stating facts. Nobils had come up with facts and argument to buttress his point but your case is just ego.

asuustrike2009:

It then prove from your assertion that NMA are egoist. How can a normal person argue with frustration without stating facts. Nobils had come up with facts and argument to buttress his point but your case is just ego.

Nigerian medical association, Nigerian nursing association, pharmacists association, and therapists association are all legitimate industry groups.

When you have never do well mediocre lab techs organizing all hospital workers to protest the deserved salary paid to physicians, without regard to the work load, then that group is egoist, illegal, and criminal to the principles of free market.

MrBigiman:


Don't mind those kids my brother. I have seen several support course come back to read medicine, and when they do, they profess that they really weren't studying anything initially.

So sad how easy it is to confuse these kids. But on a second look, they're probably at the impressionable age where the brain is still growing and developing.

It's ok for every profession to have a positive self image, unfortunately, medical lab techs don't have an inage without comparable themselves with physicians.

Because they can isolate bacteria in petri dish, some have started prescribing antibiotics to patients claiming that they too have the right to prescribe medications.

Meanwhile, they have no training on taking history and physical, evaluation for allergy, and the complex pharmaceukinetics of drug clearance.

I was classmate to some of their professors in Lagos, Enugu, Ibadan, and Jos, and they know the truth.

In a country where professors cheat, rape, and extort from students, am not surprised that some of these students are being misled, because that's another way the professors feel strong and powerful.