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Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by MrBigiman: 5:13pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
TempoJames: Boss TempoJames, pls don't ever pass knowledge to these technicians even in the form of arguments. I make sure not to do it. I have had several contacts with scientists and their esteem is unhealthy. We had an interview few months back while shopping for a Lab Scientist, and I asked one of them to introduce herself. And she said she is a Chemical Pathologist after telling us her name. Of course I saw that she wasn't taken as such a egocentric fool will be a liability to our facility. Keep it up bro. I am honoured to have u speak the truth. |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by phase1: 5:13pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
Even if I plaster it on your face and hang it on your neck it wouldn't change anything. You can google it yourself. I'm sure you don't suffer 'googlephobia'. The article was published sometime in 2013 where talked about Vibro choleraand Gonorrhea (if I remember correctly). It was really a shame a so-called physician-'pathologist' could make such gaffe on national tabloid. I bet he read the hilarous critism of Scientists (whom he was antagonizing) then and stopped writing. ![]() |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by TempoJames(m): 5:26pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
If you don't paste the article here this is the last time I'm replying your comment because at this moment I look at you as an incorrigible idiot. |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by phase1: 5:40pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman: If that Scientist has a fellowship like FRCPATH in in the UK which is also open to Medical Scientist in the UK or (MLS) FASCP in the USA she has every right to introduce herself as a cheminal pathologist. Pathology is a study also open to medical scientists it is not a title. There are physician-pathologists and Scientist-pathologists. If she has the qualifications, she has right to introduce herself as such. The former Registrar of MLSCN Prof. Emeribe is a Scientist and a holder of FRCPATH in Haematology which is a field of pathology. You cant win him in court if you sue him for using a qualification he has properly earned and calling himself a haematologist. Prof. Ngokere is a reputable Medical Scientist- histopathologist. Many of your senior colleagues went through him during training. Google up his numerous publications in international journals. In UK Gary Moore is a consultant Biomedical Scientist, and a reputable haematologist (which is a field of pathology). There are many of them there. There are many Nigerian medical scientists who are fellows in the UK Royal college of pathology (FRCPATH) and FASCP. They are haematologists, Chemical pathologists, histopathologists, Medical microbiologists, which are all fields of pathology. The UK Royal college of pathology and US ASCP are not in Nigeria where ego-conscious physicians who feel intimidated by knowledgeable Scientists have bastardized the system. Good a thing Nigerians have passed the National postgraduate college of medical lab science (NAPCMLS) bill into law. 3 Likes
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Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by JoannaSedley(f): 7:00pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
Whipping into shape. 1 Like |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by Unigrad: 7:23pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
phase1:God will continue to bless you Sir. Can I have your contact? 4 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by MrBigiman: 7:47pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
Unigrad: This is what ur Nigerian leaders decieve u to believe. Now u need the number of an ignoramus that blow outrageous grammar to sound intelligent. When in fact he'll be absorbed in a Psychaitric home if he said the same outside the shores of this country. Thankfully the pathways for Scientist, Pathologist and Biomedics have been stated in the RCPath webiste, which u seek to get shelter from. Below is a link to career pathways for RCPath and their designations, if u are smart enough to re-educate urself. https://www.rcpath.org/discover-pathology/i-want-a-career-studying.html |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 8:13pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman:First thing is do you even have the mdcn act? Even these labs you've mentioned were only recently accredited by MLSCN (which they gladly put on display) with ISO 15009 status (does that tell you anything?). They can be headed by anybody (choice of preference) but when it comes to the law, it must be followed to the letter. cc: phase1 4 Likes
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Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 8:17pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman: You mean these labs? Sofri dey lie oga Who give mdcn that right Mdcn cannot accredit hospitals let alone labs owned by doctors 4 Likes
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Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 8:52pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
TempoJames:Even a student in 300l knows widal isn't a diagnostic tool/test for typhoid fever. And that for diagnostic purpose there has to be a 4 fold rise in titre (this I lecture doctors for free who upon seeing a titre of 1/80 will load the patient on ceftazidime - poor management). You say you're what again 1/188 oh my goodness which school threw you out please? 4 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 9:00pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman:Do you even know anything? 1 Like |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by MrBigiman: 9:12pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
nelszx: Every morning when u wake up Nelson, look in the mirror and scream "Nigeria is a shit hole country" at least 5 times, because it's only in Nigeria this madness occurs. We will be laughed at all over the world, but we prefer to roll on shit. Keep wallowing in deep sitten mediocrity! |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 9:17pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman:Losers consolation When you're presented with fact, you resort into this. Globally the world is beginning to see what they have been blinded to see all these years. Do you know those countries you're mentioning their scientists join in ward rounds? Nigeria isn't a sh!t hole country people are just beginning to see things from a clearer picture. Show me one lab mdcn can accredit and I will show you the numerous teaching hospitals and fmcs mlscn has accredited (with proof). Like phase1 has said what is saving your ass is the minister of health who's got your back from prosecution. 4 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by phase1: 9:21pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
nelszx: Thanks for the heads up. We must continue to educate them lest they misrepresent our dear profession. 4 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 9:25pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
phase1: Often times I stay off posts like this but I can't sit and keep quiet when they keep lying in broad daylight. They need not put off ones candle to make their own bright. I have countered him on similar thread but yet they resort to insults when presented with fact. I have Drs as friend but there's nothing more glorious than respect even when coming from a "stupid" person. MrBigiMan is my friend but it doesn't mean I will fold my arm to his unfounding lies. 4 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by phase1: 9:33pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman: Medical Scientists accredit laboratories all over the world where normal humans exist from US to Canada, to Aussie, Ireland, New zealand, Japan. You name it. This is the information age, just a 5 sec google search will reveal it. The problem is that you have choosen to see the truth but believe the lies your failed superiors tell you in classrooms and nma meetings so you can sleep well at night. Your problem. The Medical Scientist remains the oracle in medical practice in general and the medical laboratory remains his primary contituency. 3 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by phase1: 9:38pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
nelszx: Just ignore him. He is lame and will continue to lament about JOHESU personalities instead of facing issues squarely. We'll continue to prove to them that Medical Scientists are not mediocres. That most of us are introverted by nature doesn't mean we won't expose their ignorance when they litter the cyberspace with their tissues of lies. More Scientists need to start speaking up. More ink to our pen. 3 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 9:46pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman: Yet I ask again what's the difference between a clinical and medical laboratory? Do you know the word Medical may refer to both clinical and research activities within medicine? You can call us both medical or clinical scientist which depict the kind of lab they work in. The US uses both terms interchangeably medical laboratory scientist (MLS) or clinical laboratory scientist (CLS). 3 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 10:01pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
Now to your topic as indicated Due to shortages in these sets of professionals they are in high demands and needed abroad. The UK https://www.darkdaily.com/pathologists-and-physicians-in-united-kingdom-comment-on-how-shortage-of-medical-laboratory-professionals-could-soon-delay-essential-diagnostic-therapeutic-testing-206/ The US https://cahsonline.uc.edu/resources/mls/infographics/the-medical-laboratory-scientist-personnel-shortage-and-the-future-of-lab-medicine/ Canada https://globalnews.ca/news/1409676/saskatchewan-facing-shortage-of-medical-lab-professionals/ https://windsor.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ontario-group-warns-of-shortage-of-medical-lab-professionals-1.3901695/ Yet in Nigeria, they don't value their own 3 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by MrBigiman: 10:05pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
nelszx: The MDCN act gives Doctors the right to own, and run Labs and MDCN to regulate Clinical Labs . I have never and will never pay a dime to anybody to run my hospitals Lab, because I know my rights. |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by TempoJames(m): 10:13pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
nelszx: A frustrated idiot noted. Go back and read about widal test kid. I won't share knowledge for free again. How many DNA test have u done b4? You wait for stool culture result while patient is dying? A Johesuite will never be equivalent in knowledge with a doctor. I'm sure u don't even know pathognomic signs that can help narrow down a physician's acumen then when combined with widal test give high accuracy. stay frustrated with all baseless effort of being doctor you are not and can never be. Have a nice time treating your headache. I will always be on your head. Boy! |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by MrBigiman: 10:18pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
https://www.rcpath.org/discover-pathology/i-want-a-career-studying.html Phase those are the career pathways for RCpath. I give proof for everything I say, and thats why u guys see me as public enemy number 1. Even Nelson my good friend has turned against me, speaking obvious lies. Phase 1, RCpath says a consultant pathologist must be a Medical doctor, but u claim otherwise because u own the college. Ur failed teachers with FRCpath ran away from UK because they are second rated, and came to Nigeria to sell cheap lies to gullible English speaking kids like u. MBBS is like the lion. It's the king of the health jungle and nothing will stop it. I have been blessed having that degree to start and every other certification I have was based on that humble yet rich and irreplaceable beggining. I wish it for ur children and ur childrens children too. I have met dignitaries who stopped like babies just because of a an MBBS and knowledge that is palpable and sound. I wasn't moving reagent, I was telling him how to prevent angina, or silent Ischaemia, and why diabetics are an endangered set, and doing routine miracles, sort only the gods could do. Because of the heaviest bachelors the world has, one that tumples 3 masters degree and trumps 2 PHD. It's well with our support staffs, including Lab Scientist, pharmacist, nutritionist and physiotherapist. May they someday realise the shame in being a divorcee and kneel to their lord and king in the health sector. |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 11:01pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
TempoJames:What knowledge do you even have it baffles me when you come here to tell me laboratory matters somethìng I know like the back of my palm. How many DNA test quite laughable ..... do you know the commonly done genotype test is a DNA test. Or do you want me to lecture you on DNA paternity test using pcr technique. I'm ready to lecture You, you can't lecture what you don't know. Oga calm down no one is trying to be a doctor if I had wanted to be one I'd have been one. Need I tell you how many pathologist had told me to go and read medicine and come major in pathology? The other day I saw a woman that one of you diagnosed to be having CML of out curiosity I did a blood film and FBC yet she didn't fall into the FAB criteria. How can you say someone has leukaemia of wbc of 45,000, No blast cells but more neutrophilic leukocytosis and place her on chemo while the poor woman had no trace of it in her blood film and was suffering from leukemoid reaction. I just called the Dr and gave him my opinion on the patient management (does that make me a Dr?). Since we haven't gotten to that stage of using molecular techniques for microbial identification yet patients will wait for result. The reason why results are communicated to physicians while they wait for the real antibiotic to rid the condition. The part result given is to aid in patient treatment. If I culture salmonella and communicate to you I expect you know what antibiotic to administer while waiting for the sensitivity result. BTW any physician who uses widal test as a basis of diagnosis in treatment enteric fever is a murderer and only subjecting the patient to antimicrobial resistance. Diagnosis of typhoid is either via stool or blood culture. 3 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 11:04pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman: Carry out a study and find out if this claim is true Well you can open a lab but the constitution states your license is quite useless to run one. Your rights are unconstitutional so you need a license to run your own hospital lab cos mlscn accredits and regulates labs attached to clinics lol 2 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 11:15pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
MrBigiman:In your context even doctors are support staff Cos in an ideal hospital setting support staff are assistants |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by TempoJames(m): 11:23pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
nelszx: Keep crying. You didn't study medicine so expecting a sound acumen from a technician is a waste of hope. If you studied medicine and knowledgeable in priniciple of mgt of enteric fever u'd know that tx is instuted while waiting for lab result especially when the pathognomic signs are elicited clinically. Much wonder patients come down with intestinal perforations after waiting at home for glorified chief lab technicians to come up with their results and erroneous diagnosis. You are not telling a kid fairy tales. Any hematologic condition is under full mgt of an hematologist. No hematologist will institute chemo/radiotherapy without looking at the blood film n even grading/staging the malignancy. No hematologist wouldn't have leukaemoid rxn as a differential of leukocytosis. So you see your story will be just perfect for a final yr mls. Nonsense. 1 Like |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 11:24pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
NMA calls Johesu illegal body yet want to be included in a negotiation of a strike my friend MrBigiMan has termed them terrible names for. Now it's negotiation the NMA now realises it's "TEAMWORK" "Include Us In Negotiating JOHESU's Demands" Doctors Tell Industrial Court “The NMA wishes to reiterate that the health sector operates as a team with the Doctors as the leaders...It is in this vein that we call on the government and the National Industrial Court of Nigeria [NICN] to involve the NMA in the ongoing NICN.... The Nigerian Medical Association (NMA) has commended the decision by other health workers under the Joint Health Sector Union (JOHESU) to shelve thier nationwide strike after six weeks. While describing themselves ‘leaders of the health sector’, the doctors also demanded to play a part in the negotiation of JOHESU’s demands. JOHESU, a body of all other health workers except doctors, last Thursday suspended its strike which crippled services across public hospitals in the country and left millions without care. Since 2014, the health workers have been asking the government to increase their pay and improve their working conditions among other demands. No common ground has been reached yet. In its ruling a day before the strike was suspended, the National Industrial Court (NIC), offered to take over the mediation process between the striking workers and government. The NMA in a statement Tuesday by its National Publicity Secretary, Obitade Obimakinde, asked the government to involve them in the negotiations. “The NMA wishes to reiterate that the health sector operates as a team with the Doctors as the leaders to utmost benefit of the patients. NMA is therefore unapologetically committed to a good and harmonious relationship among the team members. “The NMA also welcome the alternative dispute resolution [ADR] as a means of resolving the crisis but insist that no holistic, meaningful and long-lasting resolution can be made without the input of all the team members especially the NMA. “It is in this vein that we call on the government and the National Industrial Court of Nigeria [NICN] to involve the NMA in the ongoing NICN midwifed ADR”, the statement read. Repeatedly calls and texts sent to both the National chairman and the National vice chairman of JOHESU, Biobelemoye Josiah and Ogbonna Chimela, for reactions were not responded to. However, doctors had opposed the demands of the health workers. In the third week of the strike when states and local governments joined, medical doctors threatened to withdraw their services if the government accedes to the demands of other health workers. Source : Premium Times |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by TempoJames(m): 11:30pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
nelszx: It is just the beginning. I can bet my testes for bilateral orchidectomy Johesu can't achieve more than medical doctors allow. Loosers. |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 11:32pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
TempoJames: Let's just leave it here no need to wash our dirty linens outside to prove a point. I won't call you names but this diagnosis came from one prominent teaching hospitals in Nigeria. What did I write what are you writing? Don't you know CML and Leukemoid reaction both have leukocytosis as marker? CML wbc (greater or equal 100,000) Leukemoid wbc (less than or equal to 50,000). Or was it the pathologist who signed a result of Staphylococcus epidemidis to a patient as cause of UTI? If not for ethical issues I'd have pasted them here. Calling us technicians doesn't degrade us anymore cos we know who we are so we're used to such from your lot. No name calling 3 Likes |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by nelszx: 11:33pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
TempoJames:Why then are you begging to be part of the negotiation if you aren't the loser |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by TempoJames(m): 12:12am On Jun 08, 2018 |
nelszx:You don't hve eyes of a pathologist that is why you can't differentiate a film of CML from leukaemoid rxn. You rely on FBC for diagnosis? I guess u never knew that depending on the stage that WBC count can be less than 100000 What happened to the philadelphia xsome that is pathognomic? Those results are xtic blunders that technicians commit. May be u conducted the test n microbiologist signed without scritinzing the blunders. A consultant microbiologist can never mistake S.epidermidis for S.saprophyticus. I wonder why u guys were locking the labs and afraid of doctors conducting the test if you guys are indipensable. To further show you how your statement is full of lies..for real you used FAB to stage CML?? You are miserable my friend. FAB is used to stage ALL and AML not CML boy! You not relating fary tales with a kid. Technician! 1 Like |
Re: How Many Johesu Members Apart From Nurses Are Needed In Europe by TempoJames(m): 12:13am On Jun 08, 2018 |
nelszx: The End will tell. |
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