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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ola28: 5:35pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dgr8truth(m): 6:54pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 7:09pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
EnigmaticEnigma: I don't know when last you checked. But it does. It shows individual array's watt, amp and volts and also shows combine watts, and watts among other things. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by EnigmaticEnigma(m): 8:28pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
bigrovar: Been following it closely bro, I was up at like 5a.m the other day and was watching your charge controller wake up. Once again, very cool. What I mean, is that, the watts being reported, does not correspond to the amps and volts reported. for instance, say you were getting like 10amps at 55v, that should be 550watts reported, but it reports 250 watts instead, which seems like it's multiplying the amps by the battery voltage, instead of converting the amps to a higher value as an mppt should do. do you understand what i mean? 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 10:08pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
EnigmaticEnigma: Oh.. In that case it's depends on the state of charge of the battery. The amount of PV power available for charging depends on load and battery state of charge. If my battery is in bulk on a good day my PV would be on over drive to fill it up.. On such an occasion you would see PV voltage drop to about 48v that is when mppt Is doing its thing. However once the battery gets filed to absorption then the current starts to be reduced and voltage increased at this stage the cc will move to the higher end of the PV IV curve this is when you would see the PV volt at 50 and above.. What is means is that the pv is not being driven to their full potentials. 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ayinba1(f): 11:56pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
Quick question for the house. Is there any advantage to buying the component parts to build from the USA? Or are there brands that are obtainable in Nigeria and have been shown to be efficient? If I can save on forex, I would love that! Also, still asking about an estimate total figure for 1.8 to 2.0kVa, not the breakdown. I just want to know if I can dive into it Thanks everyone |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 1:23am On Jun 08, 2018 |
ayinba1:Depending on what you intend to go with. Something like a charge controller might be better to buy from the US. They are cheaper there and relatively easier on logistics. You might also consider safety equipments like circuit breakers and surge protectors. Other items should be bought in Nigeria. Regarding your earlier question on the viability of a 1.8kw solar setup. Oga niyi has said it all. The focus should be as much on your load as it is on your generation. In fact for my setup I spent more time on my load design than I did on generation trying to ensure that my load stays within the limit of what I can easily put back in the system the next day. So efficiency plays a big role. Lighting to the type of climate control equipment, type of TV etc. I also spend considerable among of time on reducing loses. Using the right type of cabling, getting the right direction and inclination for my panel.. All this has conspired to ensure I get adequate and optimal balance in my setup. At least now my system is online you can monitor it and see for yourself the truth of the matter. Despite having just 2 batteries (non of which are premium) and 8 solar panels (2 of which I got brand new) I still maintain an average of discharge of 40% dod for my battery.. For a house hold that does not even have a nepa pole. I just feel less attention is being paid to optimisation.. We just throw panels at the problem. Hope I was able to bring some clarity. 9 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 3:12am On Jun 08, 2018 |
Oga Barezzi! Many thanks. You were on point. I visited the local electrical supplies store in my area and they had large beefy contactors such as I was looking for in stock - to think I go there pretty often and never thought to ask! So I recently decided to come back on grid and use mains to run house loads and charge my batteries overnight. My battery supplier showed me that it was better to use and pay for mains when available at night vs incur battery cycles - but I ran into a glitch, I have a Sollatek AVS30 between my servo stab and mains input to the inverter - the AVS 30 was running hot and melting wires as it could not bear the simultaneous burden of charging at about 2kw plus house loads about 5kw - moreover the AVS30 comtacts could only take max 4mm wire. Something Oga Pranil once mentioned came to my head, rather than use the AVS30 to switch the loads directly, use the AC voltage signal on the AVS30 output to energise a 220 to 240v coil on a contactor and this would then actuate a NO contact on the contactor to which the incoming mains live wire was already attached (contactor now carries the battery charging plus house loads). So with about 5k and an hour of rewiring, I have the contactor installed and so far so good things are working smoothly. This was to me a far better deal than paying 25k for a 100a voltage regulator of unknown provenance on Konga. I got the Scheider Electric TeSys LC1 6511 M7 - a very large and beefy looking device rated 30kw 3-phase and my only regret was the coil voltage was rated 220v while my mains and inverter are between 215v and 235v - the U7 version contactor has a 240v coil although my local shop did not have these in stock I still have plans for other hacks and tweaks and mini automations now that I have rediscovered the power relays and contactors. Many thanks again Oga Barezzi and Pranil - this noble NL thread has provided a lot of learning and fresh ideas for me. Barezzi: 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 3:22am On Jun 08, 2018 |
Thank you Sir. I will go there soon - though I ultimately discovered that my local electrical store stocks contactors only but they have limited variety available. In the open market at Oshodi, I am sure to see enough variety and ratings of relays and contactors to please my every desire. NairaBaba: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by efuro(m): 3:51am On Jun 08, 2018 |
NiyiOmoIyunade: Kai ! Oyinbo too much. I will I ever reach this level? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 7:25am On Jun 08, 2018 |
Lolz. Do I detect a hint of low key 'dissing' in there? I would say a lot of these tweaks and mods are need driven and of course there is always that passion and desire to push things to the next level. I think I am just getting started though - now that I have managed to bypass the AVS30 so that it carries zero house loads but rather just sends a signal to the contactor to connect the loads when AC line voltage is within my preferred limits (208v to 235vAC), I am thinking of adding on a timer switch after the AVS30, the timer will allow the voltage signal to pass through only between 10PM and 4AM should it happen that mains supply from PHCN is available. As you know I really don't need PHCN power for anything but my battery supplier showed me analysis that convinced me to use our cheap priced mains supply when available after sundown - if my expected battery life at 30% DoD was 5 years, I could ostensibly get an additional 2 or 3 years by not running off battery whenever battery can be substituted by mains supply. So, instead of being entirely offgrid as I was, now, during the day I will run off solar power and from evening I run off mains if available vs batteries hence shallower battery cycles and better longevity - we have mains supply 60% of the time where I live. Another option I am thinking about is to use the 'solar priority mode' on my 6kw inverter vs 'utility priority' - in this mode, mains if available would run the house loads but not charge my batteries unless they are really low. In my usage scenario, the lowest voltage I have ever recorded is 49.0vDC and I was actually capacity testing my 48v 800Ah battery bank to get to that voltage. Really though, I am not yet ready to pull the plug on that 'solar priority' option except perhaps I divert the relay functions on my battery monitor to trigger mains charging to start once battery voltage drops below 49.9vDC These are just some of the many tweaks I have been contemplating apart from trying to invent a battery low voltage disconnect device similar to Oga Sinistrian's except that this would be entirely independent of any battery monitor relay to work and thus save the end user some cash. If I can build a reliable battery LVD that can detect SoC and trigger a disconnect independently of any battery monitor, a lot of people would no longer need to buy a Fangpusun or Victron or other expensive battery monitor. efuro: 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by EnigmaticEnigma(m): 8:36am On Jun 08, 2018 |
bigrovar: yeah, i get all that, it's just the reporting that's still confusing. Look at the screen shot below 2.80amps * 56.83v should give you 159watts . yet you are reporting 77watts, which is about 2.80amps * battery voltage about 25.5v. 1 Like
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Barezzi(m): 8:47am On Jun 08, 2018 |
Nice work NiyiOmoIyunade and bigrovar!! I run on grid from 6pm to midnight if available daily. Once it's midnight, grid is dropped and I run off batteries till 6pm and the cycle repeats. I never charge with grid though. 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 8:58am On Jun 08, 2018 |
Please I have a general question for those electrically inclined. I visited a location where the occupant wanted solar installed - he had just moved into the house and there was a lightening arrestor on the roof but we were unable to verify the location of the buried earth rod or earthing/ground point and apparently the wire from the lightening arrestor ran inside the walls vs. externally on the surface. We called the building manager who insisted there was an earth rod buried in the ground but he didn't also know where it was - the house distribution panel also had a earth bar and several 1.5mm/2.5mm green earth wires but no substantial 6mm or greater size conductor that would indicate a direct link to the buried earth rod/point. Being dressed for the office, I was unwilling to enter the roof to trace from the lightening arrestor so I whipped out my trusty Fluke and ran a few quick checks; On an AC socket in the house, I measured Line to Neutral Voltage at 232volts AC Neutral to Earth voltage about 4-15 volts AC Line to Earth voltage about 205volts AC - I was also able to light up a test lamp (light bulb) by connecting the Live Wire of the test lamp to Live point on the wall socket and the Neutral Wire of the test lamp to the Earth point on the wall socket. Are these tests sufficient to conclude that a earth rod is in place and functioning? I am not really interested in the full fancy tests measuring the ground vs. earth rod resistance and loop impedance and such ... I just want extra comfort that the house in question has a earth rod in place and it is functional regardless of whether the installation was up to code or not. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by lexi28(m): 9:25am On Jun 08, 2018 |
NiyiOmoIyunade: diagrams please? many thanks |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by lexi28(m): 9:34am On Jun 08, 2018 |
mr Niyi, concerning the earth test, you're okay. this link may explain better: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/19304/how-to-find-out-if-electrical-outlet-ground-is-working same applies it your test case here. Very nice you raised the issue. most clients are not even sure if they have functioning earthing at all. my regards. 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 9:54am On Jun 08, 2018 |
Saipro: LOL, COLLECTION KE?..YOU MEAN YOU JUST BUY THEM TO KEEP THEM..AND PERHAPS ONCE OR TWICE A DAY..GO AND STARE AT THEM IN AWE. smile and go back to your business of the day? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bigrovar(m): 10:46am On Jun 08, 2018 |
EnigmaticEnigma: Oh I see where the misconception is coming from. PV amps before cc is different from pv amps after cc. Usually the pv might produce something like 5amps at 30v.. once it gets to the cc, an mppt controller would then pull down the voltage and up the amps to like 10amp 14v (for a 12v system). What my log is displaying is the amp after cc and the pv voltage. Some controllers have ability to display pv amp before cc and after cc. in essence the right calculation for my watt is to multiply battery volt with amps after cc. This would give u the closest to the pv power. remember that pv watt before cc and pv watt after cc should be the about the same, only the volts and amps gets rearranged. 3 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 11:08am On Jun 08, 2018 |
Lolz my Oga! It's just natural to collect the things you fancy same way some folks collect watches or cars or jewellery e.t.c Hobbyists, electronics enthusiasts and hard core DIYers collect various odds and ends of interest to them e.g. I have a 6kw MustPower inverter in service, a 5kw I am trying to dispose, a 3kw backup in case my 6kw ever has issues and two 24v inverters (Sinergy and APC) as spare. I still plan to buy another 6kw inverter of a different ecosystem/family just to have a new experience. I have 4 12v smart chargers (sold off a few) and two dumb 6v to 48v chargers and all in perfect working order not to even think of the ones I have broken that are now junk. Charge Controllers - I have 3 MorningStar MPPT 60a (2 in service, 1 spare) , 1 FangPusun 60a and 1 EP Solar E-Tracer 60a as spares and for experiments and benchmark tests. Meters - I have a Fluke 376, Fluke 115 and 117 and a Fluke Volt alert, I just ordered a Fluke 101 basic DMM to knock about with, used and dashed out over 6 UniTs, recently bought a GTC CM100 low current probe, Amprobe AM510 and AM570 and I have been struggling in the last few days as I want a reliable knock about clamp meter so I don't use my Fluke 376 as hard as I currently do (I have been struggling to choose between an Amprobe AM 330, Electronic Specialties ES 655, Ideal Instruments 61-775 to backup the Fluke) - what should be the maid's room I have converted to house all my spare inverters and charge controllers and meters and assorted electronic razmatazz. Of course I never bought all these at once - just collected them piecemeal over the years yet I have only one wristwatch and a 4 year old phone The things you like, you buy them, barter them, use them, tinker with them, tear them apart, learn which of your ideas and fantasies work and which don't, give some out, sell off some - it's all just a continuous process If I may, Oga Pranil is looking at a new GoodWe inverter despite having a Victron and 2 IpowerPlus amongst others... other folks here too could bring out all their collection - acquiring all these stuff just comes naturally to the enthusiast... earthrealm: 11 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Barezzi(m): 11:35am On Jun 08, 2018 |
very very true |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 11:47am On Jun 08, 2018 |
earthrealm: Experimental stuff I'll list them all someday soon |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 11:56am On Jun 08, 2018 |
Many thanks Sir. I am comforted knowing that I am on the right track - I think this particular building used the old carbon/charcoal mixed with salt and water method and perhaps a gobdash of copper wires or iron rods thrown in to make the earth/ground connection. But at least some form of earthing is better than none at all lexi28: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makavele: 12:53pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ebocoms: 1:25pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
Good day all, Please I need help in connecting VAC1100A DC 120V 100A LCD Voltmeter device (picture attached) to my present setup to read what is going in and out of my batteries. I want to replace the present watts meter in the picture. The wiring look different. I want to know where to attached the CC cable and the battery cable. My present setup is attached. Thank you.
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by NiyiOmoIyunade(m): 3:11pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
I guess the second picture with inverter and batteries in it is your current setup. Two challenges I see - your current RC 150 meter has an internal shunt (by design this will probably carry no more than 20amps of current safely - at a stretch perhaps 50amps) - you dedicated this RC meter to measuring just your solar power generation but not battery consumption per the diagram. The new meter has an external shunt hopefully rated for higher amps and hopefully capable of bidirectional readings if you want to measure both amps into the battery and amps out of the battery - I have learnt from hard experience that a meter such as this new one you have rated for 100A should be derated to 50A max when placed in service. How To Proceed in General... . Switch off PV input breakers then inverter input breaker 1) Identify the battery and load side of the shunt - in your picture the battery side is the leftmost side with the small black wire connected to the large terminal that has a bolt and nut on it - the load side is the one with the small red wire attached. 2) The way the meter works is to measure the voltage drop across the battery and the load side of the shunt - there is a calibrated piece of metal with known resistance between the two big nuts/screws that have a tiny black and red wire attached to their bases. Those tiny black and red wires are measuring voltage drop between battery and load and given a known resistance (in the shunt) you can calculate the AMPs and or watts flowing from battery to load or from power source (load) into battery. 3) You will need to make a small jumper cable to connect from battery negative terminal to the battery side of the shunt else you bolt the battery side of the shunt directly to the battery negative terminal post if you can. This jumper cable should be as thick as possible and properly crimped Key to note, the shunt is always connected to the negative cable/side of CC, batteries, inverter 4) Any thing you want to measure through the meter e.g CC amps into battery or inverter amps into battery you place of the load side of the shunt (right side of shunt with small red wire in your picture) - you first switch off the PV and inverter and then trip of DC breakers - disconnect negative terminal of inverter and CC from the battery and attach it to the load side of the shunt (side with small red wire) simply unscrew the nut from the shunt (load side) , connect the lug side of your inverter and CC negative cable through the bolt on the shunt (load side) and replace the nut and tighten. It will be really long to type all the steps so if you can excuse my abysmal writing and drawing skills, I have attached a diagram that may help you - follow the big red +s for positive cable connections and the big black --s for negative cable connections. Please reach out freely in case of any questions ebocoms: 4 Likes
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ebocoms: 4:20pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
Thanks and God bless u @NiyiOmoIyunade for the great explanation and drawing. I will try it out over the weekend. You are a great asset to this forum. You deserves SOME ACCOLATES for always taking your time to explain things in details. Kudos to other members as well for your helps. I have gained a lot from this forum. Thank you. NiyiOmoIyunade: 3 Likes |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by makawhy201: 5:28pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
@NiyiomoIyunade, Weldone for taking your time to explain in details to the forum on how you solved a problem that many people may not know, Please like someone mentioned, some people understand better in visual than hearing or reading...Please i will like to get the drawing of how you bypass the AVS30 with the contactor. Thanks I read your collections of electrical equipment both solar and others i fear... as you said that people spend effortlessly without pain on their passion.... Weldone NiyiOmoIyunade: |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Saipro(m): 5:54pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
NiyiOmoIyunade:You're my brother indeed |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by sharks776(m): 6:15pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
I Need help, I bought a brand new Flexmax Fangpusun 60a cc to replace my Small Mppt cc. My current PV is still 6 130w in 2*3 set up, 2 batteries in 24v system. Initially the old cc always never go beyond 12amp. So I thought I will get more current with the new Fangpusun cc but I was wrong as it will be reading 2-3amps on a good sunny day and a max yield of 1.8kw. See pic below please
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 7:39pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
kiekie1: Almost out of stock ! Hurry while stock lasts ..... |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by lorhema(f): 8:19pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
DUNKA: Thank you. That's good news. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by dapsyra(m): 9:15pm On Jun 08, 2018 |
ebocoms: All connections remain the same except the negative (-VE) of battery, CC and Inverter that will now be connected to the shunt according to the diagram below. 1 Like
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