solite3:
it may not be at the end of the marriage but I believe Jesus did it because he wanted, Mary never made any request to Jesus and there are times Jesus turned down Mary"s request.

That is what you believe and it is not necessarily true.

Bro, I understand you have your biases about Catholicism but you should not let them becloud your sense of reasoning and value judgement.

Back to your claims.
You believe... Like I said, that isn't necessarily true.
"Mary NEVER made a request to Jesus" How exactly did you come to that conclusion?
Mary said; "they have no wine."
Bro, that's more than enough request and in fact, she sounded like my own mom.
My mom would say something like; "Ike, the petrol in the generator is finished". When she says a thing like that, we know what she means and I guess you know too even though you are not my mother's son. It simply means, go buy some petrol.
In a similar manner, Mary said to her son, "they have no wine." Jesus indeed understood his mother to be making a request, hence his response; "... What is that to do with me? Do you not know my hour is not yet come?"

You also said Jesus did it because he wanted to. That is another lie.
Jesus didn't do it because he wanted to. In fact, according to him, his time (for public manifestation) hasn't come.
Then why did he do it?
It is simple - his beloved mother demanded that he help out. And he did.

"There are times Jesus turned down Mary's request"
Bros, where? Show me where. Did you manufacture that from your brain or from the Scriptures?
Isn't it amazing even that you claimed Mary NEVER made a request to Jesus but in split seconds you say there are times Jesus turned down her requests?

May I stop here for now.
But please, be consistent.

nwokoyepraise:


I think that we need to start with your definition of being dead. There are those who have died in the flesh but are now alive in the spirit, living in God's glory. Likewise, they are those who have died both in the flesh and spirit and are dwelling with the devil. Now, I know that the human spirit cannot die, but being dead here implies living in eternal condemnation.

that verse is clear and self explanatory. Those who deal with familiar spirit are said to help people connect with the spirit of the dead and God said we should have nothing to do with both those who uses familiar spirit and the dead themselves.
Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

UbiPetrus:
That is what you believe and it is not necessarily true.

Bro, I understand you have your biases about Catholicism but you should not let them becloud your sense of reasoning and value judgement.

Back to your claims.
You believe... Like I said, that isn't necessarily true.
"Mary NEVER made a request to Jesus" How exactly did you come to that conclusion?
Mary said; "they have no wine."
Bro, that's more than enough request and in fact, she sounded like my own mom.
My mom would say something like; "Ike, the petrol in the generator is finished". When she says a thing like that, we know what she means and I guess you know too even though you are not my mother's son. It simply means, go buy some petrol.
In a similar manner, Mary said to her son, "they have no wine." Jesus indeed understood his mother to be making a request, hence his response; "... What is that to do with me? Do you not know my hour is not yet come?"

You also said Jesus did it because he wanted to. That is another lie.
Jesus didn't do it because he wanted to. In fact, according to him, his time (for public manifestation) hasn't come.
Then why did he do it?
It is simple - his beloved mother demanded that he help out. And he did.

"There are times Jesus turned down Mary's request"
Bros, where? Show me where. Did you manufacture that from your brain or from the Scriptures?
Isn't it amazing even that you claimed Mary NEVER made a request to Jesus but in split seconds you say there are times Jesus turned down her requests?

May I stop here for now.
But please, be consistent.

Mary Makes No Request
It is important to note that Mary never specifically asks Jesus to make wine, but simply states the situation.
It is possible she understood that Jesus had the power to do something, because she does tell the servants to do whatever he tells them to do. Still, there is no direct request by Mary, and it is evident that Mary does not know what Jesus might do, if anything. It is possible that Jesus could have gone and purchased wine from somewhere else to alleviate the shame of the family.
The family would definitely experience shame for running out of wine, so perhaps Mary was concerned for the honor of the family. This seems to be the most likely reason for why Mary would share this concern with Jesus.

Mary's Requests Not Always Answered
It should also be noted that Jesus does not always respond to the requests of his mother.
In Matthew 12, Mary and Jesus' brothers comes and ask to talk with him, but Jesus seems to decline their request.

While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12:47-50

nwokoyepraise:


Having explained a little bit the difference between being dead and alive, plese point out to me a place in the bible where God was against intercession.

God is not against intercession but intercession can only be made by men in the flesh not dead people or angels.
The ministry of intercession is a priestly ministry and only those who are alive physically that can be priest.

solite3:


Mary Makes No Request
It is important to note that Mary never specifically asks Jesus to make wine, but simply states the situation.
It is possible she understood that Jesus had the power to do something, because she does tell the servants to do whatever he tells them to do. Still, there is no direct request by Mary, and it is evident that Mary does not know what Jesus might do, if anything. It is possible that Jesus could have gone and purchased wine from somewhere else to alleviate the shame of the family.
The family would definitely experience shame for running out of wine, so perhaps Mary was concerned for the honor of the family. This seems to be the most likely reason for why Mary would share this concern with Jesus.

Mary's Requests Not Always Answered
It should also be noted that Jesus does not always respond to the requests of his mother.
In Matthew 12, Mary and Jesus' brothers comes and ask to talk with him, but Jesus seems to decline their request.

While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12:47-50

You keep going round in circles all in your bid to prove nothing.

You don't tell a mother how she communicates with her child or children.
Indeed, Mary knew what her son could do, hence, her request.

"THEY HAVE NO WINE"
Mary didn't say that because she felt like talking.
She didn't say that because she felt like gossiping to her son about how lousy and poor the couple were that they couldn't afford sufficient wine.
No!
Indeed she shared her concern about the shortage of wine. But that wasn't just mere share of concern. If it were, there wouldn't have been any need for Jesus' response (What's this to do with me? My hour isn't yet come) She truly made a request (and our Lord truly understood it so) because after that brief conversation with her son, she told the disciples, "do whatever he asks you."
Why? Because "I have spoken to my son. I have requested that he does something to salvage this situation and he will do something(Eve though according to him, his hour hadn't come)"
Mary's conversation with Jesus was like "Son, do something about this situation." And that, my friend, is a request; whether it's DIRECT or INDIRECT.

Like I already told you, my own mom would use a similar language. "Son, there is no petrol in the Generator." In other words, "Son, go get some petrol. We will be needing it."

Again, there is no place in the Scriptures where it recorded that Jesus turned down Mary's request. That'd be your wild claims.
Your interpretation of Matthew 12 isn't what it says. Jesus indeed was trying to draw people's attention to a lesson he wanted to teach - doing the Fathers' will. But nowhere in the Scriptures was it said that he turned her down.

UbiPetrus:
You keep going round in circles all in your bid to prove nothing.

You don't tell a mother how she communicates with her child or children.
Indeed, Mary knew what her son could do, hence, her request.

"THEY HAVE NO WINE"
Mary didn't say that because she felt like talking.
She didn't say that because she felt like gossiping to her son about how lousy and poor the couple were that they couldn't afford sufficient wine.
No!
Indeed she shared her concern about the shortage of wine. But that wasn't just mere share of concern. If it were, there wouldn't have been any need for Jesus' response (What's this to do with me? My hour isn't yet come) She truly made a request (and our Lord truly understood it so) because after that brief conversation with her son, she told the disciples, "do whatever he asks you."
Why? Because "I have spoken to my son. I have requested that he does something to salvage this situation and he will do something(Eve though according to him, his hour hadn't come)"
Mary's conversation with Jesus was like "Son, do something about this situation." And that, my friend, is a request; whether it's DIRECT or INDIRECT.

Like I already told you, my own mom would use a similar language. "Son, there is no petrol in the Generator." In other words, "Son, go get some petrol. We will be needing it."

Again, there is no place in the Scriptures where it recorded that Jesus turned down Mary's request. That'd be your wild claims.
Your interpretation of Matthew 12 isn't what it says. Jesus indeed was trying to draw people's attention to a lesson he wanted to teach - doing the Fathers' will. But nowhere in the Scriptures was it said that he turned her down.

it is you that is going round in circles, she might expected Jesus to do something but she never requested it.

OK Jesus didn't turn down his mother's request but taught that his devotion is to his Spiritual family rather than his natural family.

Analysis of Section Initiate Degree 6 Monograph 1
(Defending AMORC against Pierre S. Freeman Critics)

Warnings about replacing the medical approach to dealing with diseases were sounded as the class master explained that the decision on whether to employ orthodox or unorthodox medicine in dealing with diseases rests on a person. And if one wishes to continue to learn as well as apply the teachings in the next monographs, it should be known that they have come to compliment the available treatments and not to entirely replace them. It was also stated that not all illnesses might respond positively to these laws, so the techniques are based on a few of these illnesses.

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This monograph began with a brief recap of the lessons learnt from the previous Temple Degree i.e. Degree 5. The degree was all about prominent Greek philosophers of the past who in one way or the other had contributed to Rosicrucianism’s current status.

The current monograph under critical review shone great light on the subject of healing; especially on what it entails in the Rosicrucian context. But the class master thought in necessary that we recite the all-famous quote of renowned Greek healer and philosopher. The same quote is said to be the oath of service every medical practitioner takes before taking a practical step into treating and healing patients. The analysis of the words from the oath i.e. the Hippocratic Oath reveals a pledge to adhere to ethical requirements of the medical profession and a promise of selfless service to the profession above personal gains. The Oath is said to be a road map to guide Rosicrucian followers into the application of the laws on healing that are taught in the sixth temple degree.

The class master then begins the monograph emphasizing that the goal of the lesson was not to make one a healer, but to highlight the principles that will help them achieve good health. He also gave a caveat of caution to Rosicrucian members not to monetize the knowledge of healing being taught in the monograph. Notable points made included the fact that scientific medicine is of the belief that diseases originate from the physical body, whereas in the real sense, according to the monograph, some physical discomforts emanate from the psychic body. This perspective of the Rosicrucian Order AMORC i.e. that the reason sickness does not source from the physical body alone, is the duality of our being; is noted to now be bought into by a few physicians.

On the topic of health and illness, it was taught that there are two key areas that help us get ahead in terms of good health - the prevention of illnesses and maintenance of health. That is to say when illness is prevented and health is maintained, ailments will have no place in the physical body. However, the monograph’s class master warns against erroneous beliefs such as that the laws of health taught by the Rosicrucian are miraculous and work for all pathological conditions. Rather, the laws thought were just to realign the minds of members towards the position to be at, whether physically, mentally or otherwise, to ensure that health is maintained and diseases are prevented by averting negative vibrations of ill-health. This point right here is enough proof that nullifies the false statement made by Pierre S. Freeman regarding the Rosicrucian healing techniques.

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solite3:
that verse is clear and self explanatory. Those who deal with familiar spirit are said to help people connect with the spirit of the dead and God said we should have nothing to do with both those who uses familiar spirit and the dead themselves.
Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

We need to be very careful not to misinterpret what the Bible actually says here. Like I have already mentioned, you need to the "death" being referred to here. What the Bible is actually trying to refer to here, are seers and diverners, as you can even see in your write-up where they are referred to as "wizards". Now as you know, these wizards are those in our contemporary society who consult the gods and the spirit of their ancestors. These are the people definitely being referred to .

Many-a-times in the bible, death is often used to refere to eternal condemnation, not necessarily the physical death and not to those who are living in God's glory. Sorry for the late reply though.

solite3:
it is you that is going round in circles, she might expected Jesus to do something but she never requested it.

OK Jesus didn't turn down his mother's request but taught that his devotion is to his Spiritual family rather than his natural family.

You don't necessarily need to utter words to request for something. Some requests can also be made through actions and signs. BTW, I don't know how you say that Mary didn't request for anything. It is really clear that she did, in the passage.

nwokoyepraise:


You don't necessarily need to utter words to request for something. Some requests can also be made through actions and signs. BTW, I don't know how you say that Mary didn't request for anything. It is really clear that she did, in the passage.

I read his response two days ago, but I deliberately decided to let it be.
The guy's hatred for Catholicism won't let him make judicious use of his faculties.
Denying the obvious is the height of dishonesty.

We need to be very careful not to misinterpret what the Bible actually says here. Like I have already mentioned, you need to the "death" being referred to here.

funny how you try to twist it to mean another thing.
that verse is not referring to eternal death but physical death.
you have no idea of Scripture.

What the Bible is actually trying to refer to here, are seers and diverners, as you can even see in your write-up where they are referred to as "wizards". Now as you know, these wizards are those in our contemporary society who consult the gods and the spirit of their ancestors. These are the people definitely being referred to .

you wanna tell me what the Bible is actually saying? do you know what is heresy? heresy is interpreting scripture according to what you imagined instead of allowing it speak for itself.


was samuel ancestor?

the living should not seek after the spirit of the dead.

Do you think people are really dealing with their ancesstors and with human spirits?

Many-a-times in the bible, death is often used to refer to eternal condemnation, not necessarily the physical death and not to those who are living in God's glory. Sorry for the late reply though.

I not talking of other verses but specifically Isaiah 8:19.
that verse is obviously talking about physical death.
since it is connected to those who deal with familiar spirit it has to deal with physically dead people.
do you know Saul?
I guess you do. one of his sins was that he met with a woman with a familiar spirit to summon the spirit of samuel?
Isaiah 8 :19 totally mirrors what Saul did.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

he consulted so to speak a necromancer ( people who deal with so called spirit of the dead)


Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Saul went to consult the spirit of dead samuel a thing God hates.

even samuel rebuked saul for it.
seeking the dead means one has falling from grace.

these wizards are believed to summon the spirit of the dead, it is subversive to try to twist the meaning of the dead.

nwokoyepraise:


You don't necessarily need to utter words to request for something. Some requests can also be made through actions and signs. BTW, I don't know how you say that Mary didn't request for anything. It is really clear that she did, in the passage.

Mary might have desired Jesus to do something but she didn't know what Jesus would do.
the Roman Catholic Church built a doctrine around that claiming Mary is a mediatrix ( which is alien to both the old testament and the church).

Mary never played a prominent role in the church throughout the bible she was never called on to intercede.
Mary learned in subjection and was under the authority of the apostles.

there were a lot of people who requested from Jesus and Jesus answered them.
in fact Jesus places more emphasis on his spiritual family than his physical familly.
only Christ is qualified to be the only mediator in heaven.

solite3:
Mary might have desired Jesus to do something but she didn't know what Jesus would do.
the Roman Catholic Church built a doctrine around that claiming Mary is a mediatrix ( which is alien to both the old testament and the church).

Mary never played a prominent role in the church throughout the bible she was never called

there were a lot of people who requested from Jesus and Jesus answered them.
in fact Jesus places more emphasis on his spiritual family than his physical familly.
only Christ is qualified to be the only mediator in heaven.

don't mind the Catholics they refuse to admit they are wrong.............. Mary is dead .....she can not pray for a believer in Christ Jesus neither can she answer prayers........

solite3:

funny how you try to twist it to mean another thing.
that verse is not referring to eternal death but physical death.
you have no idea of Scripture.


you wanna tell me what the Bible is actually saying? do you know what is heresy? heresy is interpreting scripture according to what you imagined instead of allowing it speak for itself.

Maybe, you need to check a second time to know who is actually perpetrating heresy. You don't need to sound unnecessarily apologetic and accusing.

solite3:

was samuel ancestor?

Check again for the contextual meaning of "ancestor"

solite3:


the living should not seek after the spirit of the dead.

Do you think people are really dealing with their ancesstors and with human spirits?


I not talking of other verses but specifically Isaiah 8:19.
that verse is obviously talking about physical death.
since it is connected to those who deal with familiar spirit it has to deal with physically dead people.
do you know Saul?
I guess you do. one of his sins was that he met with a woman with a familiar spirit to summon the spirit of samuel?
Isaiah 8 :19 totally mirrors what Saul did.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

he consulted so to speak a necromancer ( people who deal with so called spirit of the dead)


Deuteronomy 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Saul went to consult the spirit of dead samuel a thing God hates.

even samuel rebuked saul for it.
seeking the dead means one has falling from grace.

these wizards are believed to summon the spirit of the dead, it is subversive to try to twist the meaning of the dead.

At this point, it is only right to understand what Saul did and what the Bible is actually trying to refer to. In the Bible, there are about three places where the Bible actually treated this issue specifically in the Old Testament. First in Deuteronomy 18:10b - 11:

"Do not let there be found among you one who practices the occult,

11 nor one who uses spells, nor one who consults demonic spirits, nor a diviner, nor one who seeks the truth from the dead."

Secondly, in Leviticus 19:31:

"31 Do not turn aside to astrologers, nor consult with soothsayers, so as to be polluted through them. I am the Lord your God."

and thirdly in the verse you earlier stated.

Now in all these verses the words are clearly defined. You trying to deny that you don't understand the context the Bible is referring to and trying to generalize all conditions is not only an act of self deceit but also a selective showcase of shallowness.

As far as I can remember, I can't remember when Catholics have turned to soothsayers who forecast the future, nor those who consult demonic spirits, nor even those words seek the truth from the dead.

If the dead have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the living then why did Jesus communicate with Moses who was reported dead in Deuteronomy 34:5. Or are you trying to tell me that God, now maintains double standards?

solite3:
Mary might have desired Jesus to do something but she didn't know what Jesus would do.
the Roman Catholic Church built a doctrine around that claiming Mary is a mediatrix ( which is alien to both the old testament and the church).

She didn't know what Jesus would do? In what aspect? But she knew that Jesus was capable of doing something if not why would she tell the maid servants to do whatever Jesus asked them to do?

solite3:


Mary never played a prominent role in the church throughout the bible she was never called on to intercede.
Mary learned in subjection and was under the authority of the apostles.

there were a lot of people who requested from Jesus and Jesus answered them.
in fact Jesus places more emphasis on his spiritual family than his physical familly.
only Christ is qualified to be the only mediator in heaven.

Sometimes it perturbs me why people always think that something is now wrong as long as it is not SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN in the Bible without even thinking whether it is right or wrong. Although, Mary's role as an intercessor has been pointed out to you as regards to the miracle at the wedding of Cana, you still bull headedly denied this fact.
So it is now a taboo for a mother to intercede to his son for others, abi?

nwokoyepraise:


Maybe, you need to check a second time to know who is actually perpetrating heresy. You don't need to sound unnecessarily apologetic and accusing.



Check again for the contextual meaning of "ancestor"



At this point, it is only right to understand what Saul did and what the Bible is actually trying to refer to. In the Bible, there are about three places where the Bible actually treated this issue specifically in the Old Testament. First in Deuteronomy 18:10b - 11:

"Do not let there be found among you one who practices the occult,

11 nor one who uses spells, nor one who consults demonic spirits, nor a diviner, nor one who seeks the truth from the dead."

Secondly, in Leviticus 19:31:

"31 Do not turn aside to astrologers, nor consult with soothsayers, so as to be polluted through them. I am the Lord your God."

and thirdly in the verse you earlier stated.

Now in all these verses the words are clearly defined. You trying to deny that you don't understand the context the Bible is referring to and trying to generalize all conditions is not only an act of self deceit but also a selective showcase of shallowness.

As far as I can remember, I can't remember when Catholics have turned to soothsayers who forecast the future, nor those who consult demonic spirits, nor even those words seek the truth from the dead.

If the dead have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the living then why did Jesus communicate with Moses who was reported dead in Deuteronomy 34:5. Or are you trying to tell me that God, now maintains double standards?

if you don't know the meaning of ancestor why did you bother using it?
My question was Samuel saul's ancestor?

Samuel specifically rebuke saul for seeking for him instead of God something Isaiah corroborated again and u try to deny?
the way to hell is paved with smooth sweet lies.
do you know how the devil deceived your first mother? he twisted and contradicted God's word if you keep on denying God's word like this, then nothing can save you from Satan's grip as only the truth can set you free![b]

nwokoyepraise:


Maybe, you need to check a second time to know who is actually perpetrating heresy. You don't need to sound unnecessarily apologetic and accusing.



Check again for the contextual meaning of "ancestor"



At this point, it is only right to understand what Saul did and what the Bible is actually trying to refer to. In the Bible, there are about three places where the Bible actually treated this issue specifically in the Old Testament. First in Deuteronomy 18:10b - 11:

"Do not let there be found among you one who practices the occult,

11 nor one who uses spells, nor one who consults demonic spirits, nor a diviner, nor one who seeks the truth from the dead."

Secondly, in Leviticus 19:31:

"31 Do not turn aside to astrologers, nor consult with soothsayers, so as to be polluted through them. I am the Lord your God."

and thirdly in the verse you earlier stated.

Now in all these verses the words are clearly defined. You trying to deny that you don't understand the context the Bible is referring to and trying to generalize all conditions is not only an act of self deceit but also a selective showcase of shallowness.

As far as I can remember, I can't remember when Catholics have turned to soothsayers who forecast the future, nor those who consult demonic spirits, nor even those words seek the truth from the dead.

If the dead have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the living then why did Jesus communicate with Moses who was reported dead in Deuteronomy 34:5. Or are you trying to tell me that God, now maintains double standards?

if you don't know the meaning of ancestor why did you bother using it?
My question was Samuel saul's ancestor?

Samuel specifically rebuke saul for seeking for him instead of God something Isaiah corroborated again and u try to deny?
the way to hell is paved with smooth sweet lies.
do you know how the devil deceived your first mother? he twisted and contradicted God's word if you keep on denying God's word like this, then nothing can save you from Satan's grip as only the truth can set you free![/b]

nwokoyepraise:


Maybe, you need to check a second time to know who is actually perpetrating heresy. You don't need to sound unnecessarily apologetic and accusing.



Check again for the contextual meaning of "ancestor"



At this point, it is only right to understand what Saul did and what the Bible is actually trying to refer to. In the Bible, there are about three places where the Bible actually treated this issue specifically in the Old Testament. First in Deuteronomy 18:10b - 11:

"Do not let there be found among you one who practices the occult,

11 nor one who uses spells, nor one who consults demonic spirits, nor a diviner, nor one who seeks the truth from the dead."

Secondly, in Leviticus 19:31:

"31 Do not turn aside to astrologers, nor consult with soothsayers, so as to be polluted through them. I am the Lord your God."

and thirdly in the verse you earlier stated.

Now in all these verses the words are clearly defined. You trying to deny that you don't understand the context the Bible is referring to and trying to generalize all conditions is not only an act of self deceit but also a selective showcase of shallowness.

As far as I can remember, I can't remember when Catholics have turned to soothsayers who forecast the future, nor those who consult demonic spirits, nor even those words seek the truth from the dead.

If the dead have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the living then why did Jesus communicate with Moses who was reported dead in Deuteronomy 34:5. Or are you trying to tell me that God, now maintains double standards?

Are you comparing yourself with Jesus? why don't you say that God has double standard since it was only Jesus that died and resurrected on the third day?
it's just like saying because Moses made a bronze serpent so everyone should start making bronze serpent forgetting the reason why Moses made the bronze serpent.
Jesus never prayed through those men or sought them.
what happened to Jesus showed that both Moses and Elijah, two key figure in Isreal bear witness of Jesus.
the disciples wanted to build tenth for them Jesus rebuked them.
did you notice Jesus was transfigured? a voice came from heaven endorsing Jesus not Elijah or moses
what happened at that mount was to teach the disciples a lesson.
it never repeated itself again.

doyinbaby:
don't mind the Catholics they refuse to admit they are wrong.............. Mary is dead .....she can not pray for a believer in Christ Jesus neither can she answer prayers........

it's a pity! I love Mary a lot she is an example of humility and faith.

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She didn't know what Jesus would do? In what aspect? But she knew that Jesus was capable of doing something if not why would she tell the maid servants to do whatever Jesus asked them to do?

telling the servants to do whatever he wants them to do shows that Mary didn't know what Jesus would do.

Sometimes it perturbs me why people always think that something is now wrong as long as it is not SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN in the Bible without even thinking whether it is right or wrong. Although, Mary's role as an intercessor has been pointed out to you as regards to the miracle at the wedding of Cana, you still bull headedly denied this fact.
So it is now a taboo for a mother to intercede to his son for others, abi?

something is wrong if it goes against the scripture.
There was no such role given to mary.
are you the one that gave her the role?
There is only one intercession between God and man.
the man Christ Jesus not Mary.
you can't have two intercessors in heaven.
The office of intercession is given to the high priest alone.
the reason Christians can intercede for people is because we use the name of Jesus which is his authority. Mary or any other dead saints doesn't have that authority.
There is nothing like morher-son relationship in heaven it only applies on earth.

solite3:
telling the servants to do whatever he wants them to do shows that Mary didn't know what Jesus would do.


something is wrong if it goes against the scripture.
There was no such role given to mary.
are you the one that gave her the role?
There is only one intercession between God and man.
the man Christ Jesus not Mary.
you can't have two intercessors in heaven.
The office of intercession is given to the high priest alone.
the reason Christians can intercede for people is because we use the name of Jesus which is his authority. Mary or any other dead saints doesn't have that authority.
There is nothing like morher-son relationship in heaven it only applies on earth.

Truly, the Catholic teaching is only but a mistery which can only be understood with clear and open mindedness which I strongly doubt that you can allow.


Nevertheless, I will leave you to wallow in your own ignorance since most, if not all, that is needed for a wise person to know has been discussed thus far. It is somehow a waste of time trying to enlighten one whose mind is already fixed and not willing to understand.


When you are truly ready to know more about the Catholic doctrine, reply again with questions and open mindedness.

#I_mean_no_harm_bro.

Wetin the communion con be.? .

abokibuhari:
The body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ

if you really understand the doctrines of catholic church you wouldn't bat an eyelid to what the woman is doing. The eucharistic Jesus is not present in that monstrance she is carrying and i bet she herself doesnt even know. For Christ's presence to be considered visible in that monstrance, a holy communion consentrated by a priest during mass must be put inside the monstrance, then and only then does the monstrance/sacrament becomes symbollically powerful and can have adverse effect if toyed with. She can never ever get access to a consencrated communion. The one in that monstrance is unconsencrated so what she is doing means nothing.

Ehen? Didn't the Catholic Church copy those traditions from ancient Babylon, a black African poeple?