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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 5:23pm On Jun 13, 2018
TheGoodJoe:
First, let us get the notion that the Europeans do not produce good dribblers.

Off the top of my head, Figo, Brian and Michael Laudrup, Gascoigne, Joe Cole, Ryan Giggs, Overmars, Seedorf, Johann Cruyff, Dugarry, Djorkaeff and a host of others.

Today, in dribbling talents, which Africans would we put above the likes of Hazard, Dembele, Isco, Thiago Alcantara, Bernardo Silva, Sane etc.

I doubt we should think we edge the Europeans in individual creativity.

This should be the concern of the South Americans. Not us.

cc: Mujtahida, Martz101.

This i will disagree with you, most good European dribblers are hyped by the media, but african players with such quality don't have that media attention.

No one knows how much Okocha was good with the ball untill Italy match. the commentator keep saying Okocha is one of the best players in the tournerment, same okocha that started just the Italy match, alot of dribble star like finidi,siasia, Amokachi and Amunike and even more but the media never cared to take note that was why it came as a surprise to them.

Even now so many people even Nigerians don't know an Ighalo is full of skills, a simon step overs could send you to the Bush and even a henry onyekuru ball movement could get one lost.

European media hype there own, if i didn't see Beckham play i would have thought he was way better than kanu and okocha put together.

and this media makes our player inferior and it affect our game, African players and team need to be Brave to win the worldcup

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by EEGA: 5:25pm On Jun 13, 2018
joseph1013:

We need to find a way to play Kelechi in our team. We're assured of scoring goals, that much is certain.

It is the work of the coach to maximize a team's potential. Let's hope Rohr pull it off.
Which formation will accommodate Nacho without the dropping of either Ighalo,V.Moses or both?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 5:25pm On Jun 13, 2018
somehow:


You are talking about Balogun right?

Btw, can you try watching the second half between Nigeria England? Watch the defensive candidates on the field for us and tell me what you notice from their performance individually and collectivel2?

yea our game change from the defense department to the midfield and then attack.

it was not balogun fault maybe that's what you are suspecting
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:28pm On Jun 13, 2018
Martz101:


This i will disagree with you, most good European dribblers are hyped by the media, but african players with such quality don't have that media attention.

No one knows how much Okocha was good with the ball untill Italy match. the commentator keep saying Okocha is one of the best players in the tournerment, same okocha that started just the Italy match, alot of dribble star like finidi,siasia, Amokachi and Amunike and even more but the media never cared to take note that was why it came as a surprise to them.

Even now so many people even Nigerians don't know an Ighalo is full of skills, a simon step overs could send you to the Bush and even a henry onyekuru ball movement could get one lost.

European media hype there own, if i didn't see Beckham play i would have thought he was way better than kanu and okocha put together.

and this media makes our player inferior and it affect our game, African players and team need to be Brave to win the worldcup

Let us forget media hype and you judge honestly from what you see. Today, which Nigerian dribbler will you rate above Hazard or De Bruyne.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 5:28pm On Jun 13, 2018
goldfish80:

Of course they are better than Argentina who they beat blue black not so long ago in a friendly. Having a talisman in a bad team can only get you further so much but you begin to look world conquering when you have a good team and a talisman.
Although, comparing this team with the golden age class of 2008-2012 is stretching it a bit. Must be said.

i was not comparing them, but i that team rely on team play and was comfortable all around the pitch, the were not waiting for a messi or greizman to help them, the responsibility was shared, a Puyol got them the goal against Germany in semifinal.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:30pm On Jun 13, 2018
Martz101:


This i will disagree with you, most good European dribblers are hyped by the media, but african players with such quality don't have that media attention.

No one knows how much Okocha was good with the ball untill Italy match. the commentator keep saying Okocha is one of the best players in the tournerment, same okocha that started just the Italy match, alot of dribble star like finidi,siasia, Amokachi and Amunike and even more but the media never cared to take note that was why it came as a surprise to them.

Even now so many people even Nigerians don't know an Ighalo is full of skills, a simon step overs could send you to the Bush and even a henry onyekuru ball movement could get one lost.

European media hype there own, if i didn't see Beckham play i would have thought he was way better than kanu and okocha put together.

and this media makes our player inferior and it affect our game, African players and team need to be Brave to win the worldcup

Kanu and Okocha had flair but when it comes to decisiveness, Beckham was way ahead. One of the best the game ever saw.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 5:31pm On Jun 13, 2018
komekn:


Firstly Abbey played for Macclesfield Town first.

My diction was clear George Abbey played well during the period he played for the SE. There is no comparison with Echiejile.

What I did say and or imply, Echiejile is shadow of his former self you can not progress forward on the basis of past glories.

Currently Echiejile is the weak link he is even failing at club football. Unable to make way in Turkey he us playing 2nd division in Belgium.


if you think Echiejile is failing in club football then Abbey was a failure all though his football.

even keshi was already on the decline but he made the 1994, bros free Echiejile and tell your boy to do more when he get another opportunity

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 5:32pm On Jun 13, 2018
@Mujtahida, Africa has know say on how football should be Played. Our football might be beautiful, but we don't have results to set it out for others to emulate. Until African sides wins the World Cup, we will always remain inferior and obliged to adopt their style since theirs has produced successes at the very highest level of the game and we will continue to play second fiddle to them. They will continue to be the best as we can never beat them to their game.

The problem with our style is that it lacks end result. Africans play to the gallery forgeting the objective which is to win-win trophies. We run, dribble and outmuscle our opponents but don't score. We loose concentration easily(I don't know while) but this is common to African sides.etc

To Change this status quo, there is need for us to integrate the European style INTO our style. Of this is done successfully, we will then stand a chance of unsettling and perhaps changing things. This is why I see a blend of the two as way forward for African football. The Super Eagles has started adopting this considering the recent influx of FB(those who were raised and trained under the European system and the Home grown). That's why I want this team to do well. With right team Selection and tactics deployed I see us standing our own ground at this Mundial unlike previous outings.

Clue: see what Iwobi, Ebuehi etc brings to the team (EU) and what the likes of Victor Moses, Ndidi, Etebo etc brings to the table(AU).A proper blend of the two opposite styles will do wonders. Just imagine this guys gelling together.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 5:32pm On Jun 13, 2018
Photoshoot

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:34pm On Jun 13, 2018
somehow:
Photoshoot

Enough of the distractions. Photoshoot for what again. I tire.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 5:34pm On Jun 13, 2018
I pray we don't end up coming home after 3 games just to be remembered for the runway activities we put up in russia

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 5:35pm On Jun 13, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Enough of the distractions. Photoshoot for what again. I tire.

Its normal na.. All pariticipants will have one.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 5:35pm On Jun 13, 2018
wayodude:


They told you that? You have any Moroccan friends?

Morocco, Egypy, Algeria, libya and Tunisia consider them self Arab first before Africa
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 5:37pm On Jun 13, 2018
BOOMnaija:
Awon backbone...
Mikel is too soft. Action e no get. Na to de smile up and down. We need him to show strong face and atleast be threatening when he reacts on the pitch.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kentebemoney: 5:37pm On Jun 13, 2018
Mujtahida:

you have said it better than i ever could have said and i am happy that you are in a position to influence things. kudos bro cos you have awareness and that alone counts for something. we must incorporate the best of the European style with the natural flair and expressiveness of the african. thank you for dropping your thoughts

Ur head is there bro!!!

Anytime the head coach is not around , I let dem play three touch football and allow more touches only to blow foul if the end product is bad.
Every other day strictly 2touch with lots of off the ball runs.
I love my midfielders extremely confident on the ball.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Smellymouth: 5:37pm On Jun 13, 2018
On This Day in 1998, Nigeria recorded one of her biggest win at the World Cup.
The Super Eagles defeated Spain 3 -2 in their World Cup opening fixture.
Goals from Mutiu Adepoju, Sunday Oliseh and an own goal by Andoni Zubizarreta secured the win for Nigeria..

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:37pm On Jun 13, 2018
somehow:


Its normal na.. All pariticipants will have one.

We need to finalize tactics and study opponents. They have been taking pictures since.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 5:38pm On Jun 13, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


We need to finalize tactics and study opponents. They have been taking pictures since.

That's my prayers and wishes.. Hoping that they have fashioned out tactics for each opponent.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 5:39pm On Jun 13, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


I am saying contrary to the belief, the dribbling game favors the Europeans because they are better at it. Thinking we need more dribbling in our team as the solution does not cut it. We need to work with the current trend and create our own path from it. Just as the Chileans did.

At the end, it comes to us having our own set-up and apply most of the modern models of the game.
europeans better at dribbling? opinion abi fact? i still maintain that you did not grab the kernel of my write-up.
i used dribbling as an example and not that all of our game should center on dribbling. so what makes the bolded different from all i said? i guess you want to pick on dribbling and begin an argument on it but if you grasp what i wrote you wont center on dribbling.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AIG07: 5:40pm On Jun 13, 2018
somehow:
Photoshoot
cc: Elyte89
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by somehow: 5:40pm On Jun 13, 2018
Martz101:


yea our game change from the defense department to the midfield and then attack.

it was not balogun fault maybe that's what you are suspecting

Not really, we cleared lesser balls out of that region and played more on the ground when we had omeruo, ekong and ogu at the back + ebuehi/idowu

Unlike the first half when we had balogun, ekong, shehu and idowu.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:42pm On Jun 13, 2018
First of all, I don't need to do more research into an area I am practically a god in. Everything you have said, I know about but the thing is that you are emphasizing irrelevant and extraneous details.
Listen up, the "koko" is the Anatomical make up of the player's growth plates on his left wrist (and even his right if we go that long). That is the central focus linked to the specific age range the MRI age test is designed to detect and strongly indicate.



Second of all... The MRI cannot be applied to U-21 level because the growth plates fuses before one is even 19-21 years in almost all cases if not all. Normally in almost every case with a few exceptions (a rarity in fact), the growth plates close at 18. So MRI at U-20/21 level won't work. Based on what it is designed to detect, that is.


Thirdly and finally, there is a margin of + or - 2 for certain rare individuals who may be slightly above 17 (I.e. 18 or 18+) and still pass the test because their growth plates are yet to fuse AND also, for those who may be 16 or 17 and still fail the test due to early epiphyseal plates closure. This is Human Anatomy and there is bound to be slight variational detections but the margin of finding such rarity is extremely minimal. This is why the MRI is 99% accurate with a margin of + or - 2 to determine and detect ages for those below 17 or above 17. It is as simply scientifically explained as that. Nothing complex except I go into the deeper classification grade details of which I won't before I turn this thread into a biosciences and medical engineering class.

You say you wanna bury it... So fine bury it... But in burying it, you still had to type all your story again. I just dey look you.

komekn:


The accuracy of the MRI test is not in question.

However, the baseline data used to make the deductions is. I suggest you do some research on that first, several published scientific journals are readily available.

What MRI gives is near 100% certainty of what age range a person can not be in. That deduction is made from the test results married to the baseline data.

That means it's indicative and far more relevant to the U17 set where bone fusion should not have set in. All things being equal. That's why it's effectiveness at U21 level is open to question.

Add the variable of nutrition, environment, and race and absolute becomes impossible but indicative a very big YES.

Add to all those variables the penchant for sharp practices within our officialdom. Then the case of a Nigerian origin player born in the USA failing the MRI scan becomes feasible. Particularly when they the NFF refused to hand over the test results for scrutiny.

As a society age cheating is not unique to football but pervades every aspect of our life from police army service to government bodies and ministries indeed there are men married to women older than them without knowing.

So I now bury the matter it's no longer relevant.

Indeed this problem was birthed by European football associations in thier obsession with youth. As if youth was the only component for football quality and excellence.

You get to 21 and you are almost dismissed as being over the hill if you have no pedigree. The association with youth and top football performance is absurd.

If you are good age is irrelevant in my opinion.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 5:42pm On Jun 13, 2018
chrisooblog:
hopefully this formation helps us get out of the blocks faster and fingers crossed do damage before the croats can settle. the likes of kovacic, modric and rakitic will want to control the tempo that's why i think it's imperative to use our relative youth to our advantage to run the croats ragged this is where ndidi will be so crucial. i also think adding etebo will be that extra running engine in midfield.

Etebo will fit more against Iceland

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Triniti(m): 5:42pm On Jun 13, 2018
somehow:
I pray we don't end up coming home after 3 games just to be remembered for the runway activities we put up in russia
This looks like pictures they took before the England game, considering the numbers on their jerseys. Omeruo wears the number 4 now not ndidi
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 5:42pm On Jun 13, 2018
Martz101:


nice writeup bros
thanks I think mujtahida deserves more kudos we really need deep introspection on how to turn our national teams from mere also fans to actual cup contenders at world tourneys

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 5:43pm On Jun 13, 2018
kentebemoney:


Ur head is there bro!!!

Anytime the head coach is not around , I let dem play three touch football and allow more touches only to blow foul if the end product is bad.
Every other day strictly 2touch with lots of off the ball runs.
I love my midfielders extremely confident on the ball.
yes they have to learn to purposefully romance the ball. be comfortable with it. football is not all about passing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 5:44pm On Jun 13, 2018
chrisooblog:
thanks I think mujtahida deserves more kudos we really need deep introspection on how to turn our national teams from mere also fans to actual cup contenders at world tourneys
no brother, you deserve the accolades more for pushing beyond what i wrote
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 5:45pm On Jun 13, 2018
somehow:
I pray we don't end up coming home after 3 games just to be remembered for the runway activities we put up in russia
i am tired already of this pictures. let them go play ball ooo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 5:47pm On Jun 13, 2018
TheGoodJoe:
I am so shocked with the drama going on in Spain and feel disappointed with Lopetegui negotiating and entering an agreement with Real Madrid few days to a top World Cup game. Astonishing when you look at the fact he gained most of his experience working with the Spanish FA. The FA supported him and showed faith in him until he became a Manager of the Spanish team.

Today he is a top quality coach but I feel he should have paid back the Spanish FA with his loyalty.

Wish him the best.

Spain FA did the right thing, Hierro knows the team very well and his team wont be much different from the ex coach team.

The good thing is the captain Ramos and some other big figure took the decision together
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 5:51pm On Jun 13, 2018
Triniti:
This looks like pictures they took before the England game, considering the numbers on their jerseys. Omeruo wears the number 4 now not ndidi
no.ndidi wears 4. omeruo wears 22. this are recent pictures. moreover why will they chose to post these pictures now and not before or shortly after the england game

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 5:52pm On Jun 13, 2018
chrisooblog:
yes a strong league would be a start but you also need good competition to sharpen your players skills can that be gotten alone from facing enyimba, kano pillars, mamelodi sundowns, tp mazembe, al haly?

i think forward thinking exceptional local coaches will be our redemption. look at south america top argentine coaches like simeone, pelligrini, pochentino. brazil as well produce exceptional coaches.

some how the nff will have to start grooming coaches same way we do for our cadet teams. by the time we identify and train these exceptional local coaches who understand the philosophy of how we play we then ensure most clubs in the land employ these people. we should also put in place a fair system of genuine competition which ensures that the best succeeds. it's from this same pool of top coaches who did well nationally and intercontinental that national team handlers will be picked from


On paper, it looks like playing against those sides you listed on the first paragraph might not be ideal but what you loose in facing quality opposition, you gain by building a solid unit of individuals who are used to playing with each other.
If you look at the 3 previous world cup winners, you will find a pattern which suggests that those national teams consists mainly 80% of player from 2 clubs. Use Germany with Bayern and Dortmond, Spain Real Madrid Barcelona, Italy with the Milan teams and Juventus as a case study.
Egypt dominated Africa using this trick with their golden generation between 2006-2010.

This prototype can work on a bigger stage if implemented. Honestly speaking, I think Egypt missed a trick between 2006-2010 by not qualifying for the world cup. You'd be surprised how far they could have gone. Recall within this period, they played in the finals of the confederations cup.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Martz101: 5:54pm On Jun 13, 2018
chrisooblog:
thanks I think mujtahida deserves more kudos we really need deep introspection on how to turn our national teams from mere also fans to actual cup contenders at world tourneys

doing that we need alot of work on our grassroot, we can't be playing 3-5-2 and our under17 and 20 are playing 4-4-2.

Nigeria coaches need to work together not compete with each other

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