GreatDIM:



I'll use this post to begin on this thread, what most people fail to realise when migrating is that you must be adding value!. You aren't a citizen of the country, so where does your sense of entitlement come from?

Also, Berliner mentioned studying in demand courses, from 4 years in UK, I can say that most indigenes of these countries don't want to study the hard/technical courses, so going to study courses like "European history, Sociology, Human Resources etc." will only put you at a disadvantage cos there's a surplus of their indigenes in that labour market.

The key to successful migration I'll say is strategically planning before moving and ensuring you have potential to add value to the country you are migrating to.

I'll be sharing experiences of myself, family and friends to the question this thread asks, later

i look forward to reading your experiences.

thanks

I was supposed to start sharing my experiences yesterday but was very busy. I'll start by sharing my experience as a student in UK.

This experience isn't as interesting as others I have, cos UK stance on migration is NOW clearly understood by many migrants. They are tired of migrants, be it from Europe, America, Asia or Africa. There's only tolerance for highly skilled workers in sectors where more hands are needed e.g Technology, Medicine etc.

Trying to migrate to UK without falling under that category is very difficult. There's even reward for reporting illegal migrants ( including people overstaying their visa). It doesn't even make sense trying to be too clever and migrate illegally, this is because UK has experienced all the NIGERIAN tricks you can come up with. While studying, some students couldn't afford to pay fees any longer. Many dropped out of school and started hustling (working as DJ's, promoters etc.), those were really bad moves, most were caught and deported back. Most left willingly after the hustle became too difficult to sustain.

For students going to study in UK, there are two hacks to getting a residence permit, the first is studying from Bsc to PhD level. This is very expensive but that is one of the methods with the highest success stories.

The second one is studying in-demand courses, getting good grades then returning back to Nigeria to get work experience. Having a first and/ second degree with good grades and valuable work experience puts you in good stead with the HR of companies. You seem more resourceful than those hanging around UK looking for employers who would sponsor their residence permit. I know lots of people who studied in UK and got jobs after applying from Nigeria, so don't be too desperate to remain there and taint your record.

And lastly, there's the method of having a kid with a citizen, I ask people is it worth it? I've hardly seen people who went that route fulfilling their potentials. Most of them end up as wastemen and fraudsters in UK. Tbh, I don't fancy living in UK cos we NIGERAINS are very infamous. We've duped a lot, scammed a lot, so much bad repuation. IT IS WELL

GreatDIM:
Well said Ugosample.....

travelland I get your fears, but let me tell you something, when you're a valuable addition to any economy, you won't be denied opportunities cos you are too valuable to be ignored.

I stated previously about a friend who's a network engineer here that got a job in Amsterdam, the head of their IT department was surprised that a 23 year old, Nigerian for that matter would be well versed in Networking. For those who know about network engineering, he has two CCNP certificates (R&S, Collaboration) and is going for his CCIE exam later this year. He had to do a video interview twice because his portfolio seemed just too good to be true.

You should also be aware that Goldman sachs completed it's recruitment in Nigeria in about March and the succesful candidates, two amongst which I know personally, are to be given work permit to work in UK. So it's obvious that there's a demand for HIGHLY skilled labour, once you have valuable skills regardless of your skin colour, there is demand for your services in developed countries.

Does this demand include nurses and pharmacist

On an unbiased ground, who between a Nigerian pharmacist or nurse can easily get a job in US and will be better paid??

Who is more in demand?

Mastermindx:


Does this demand include nurses and pharmacist

On an unbiased ground, who between a Nigerian pharmacist or nurse can easily get a job in US and will be better paid??

Who is more in demand?

I will be careful with my response, I don't know how easy it is for a pharmacist to migrate but I know a good number of nurses who migrated abroad, amongst which one is my uncle.

He migrated to Ireland, though that was far back in 2006 with his nursing degree from Nigeria and has doing quite well there with his family. He recently migrated to work in London in 2017 and has been in UK till this moment. Generally doctors and nurses find it easy to migrate to UK and US as skilled workers. But for the case of a pharmacist, I don't know of any person who migrated with that, but I'm sure there should be a possibility.

Pipedreams:

What John Zibiri said about Nigeria I worked and lived in Abuja for 18 years. I ran my own private company from 2001 until 2014. Two million of the likes of Buhari cannot change Nigeria.
�Everything is wrong with Nigeria.

�The Director won't give you contract except you pay up front .

�The banks won't give you loan except you concede a certain percentage. �The man supervising the contract won't pass the job except you play ball. �The clerk won't pass your file for payment except you rob his palm.
�The accounts department won't raise your payment voucher or cheque unless you see them. I can go on and on.
�The worst thing is that it has become a norm that nobody sees anything wrong with.
� If you think otherwise, they begin to think you are sick and not normal. �If you try to stand in their way, you put your life at risk.
�If you get killed there is no justice system in place to seek redress and bring the perpetrators to book.
�The police is corrupt , the Judiciary is the same.
�Even the religious circle is not spared.
�Everything in Nigeria revolves around corruption.
�Nobody cares about anybody. No law and order.
� I looked from my left to right, everybody is only desperate about one thing "money".
�They will kill anybody and anything that stand between them and money. �I am an electrical engineer with MNSE and COREN. The system don't care about my qualifications.
�Distribution and transmission jobs are given to alhajis, pastors, friends and relatives without any basic skills.
�I started asking myself, how do I convince my kids that education and hard work is rewarding?
�When fools, agberos and touts are running the country from the local govt to the Presidency.
�Is this what my four sons will also go through? In 2014 I decided I have had enough. I decided I was leaving. I migrated to Australia with my family. �Don't put yourself in harm way for any reason.
�The problem of Nigeria is in the hands of Nigerians living in Nigeria.
�Try starting a gate house in your village, everybody wants to profiteer from it. The bricklayer, the carpenter, the mason and even your brother who claim to be supervising on your behalf.
�They are corrupt, morally bankrupt and selfish.
� Everybody there thinks about himself and nobody is thinking about Nigeria .
�You don't have to be the one to go there to change anything.
�Let those under the hammer start the revolution. I beg make you hear word.
�This post is gonna anger a lot of my followers. I'm still gonna post it anyway.

Saw this from another thread... good read!!! The part that got to me most was that of people thinking you're sick or crazy when you try to reason correctly and condemn the bribery, nepotism, corruption and the other BS.

Here's the link to the thread: www.nairaland.com/4550649/dont-think-nigeria-ever-get

Berliner1:
I always tell people, come here legally and u will regret staying in Nigeria.

I will rather say God bless Germany than mentioning Nigeria.

Going on europe tour as if you are going to Ikeja.

Access to free education, plenty student job( averagely €1500=650k per month after tax), many easy way to become a german citizen,free semester ticket( you can travel a whole state 247 without paying kobo.

From nursery school to PhD education in Germany is 100% free for everyone.


Plenty free loan if u want oo....atleast u can get a credit card upto 6k euro=2.5m naira without collateral even as a student, if you are working full time here, plenty loan u can access at a very very low rate from mortgage to car of any brand.





Please where can one get this in Nigeria?

Who ever tell you to stay back in Nigeria is your village member holding u back.

Theres no comparism between heaven and hell fire.

God bless Germany.

Going on world tour in December, any europe based dude interest in co ride can holla.

Greetings from the Capital of Europe(Berlin)

Boss, me dey Munich dey round off my M.Sc. How your itenerary? We fit ball together!

Nigerians on the move without applying for visa...

Kolping:
Nigerians on the move without applying for visa...

Many things are unclear about this image. Is it the stats of illegal arrivals? Nigeria's population compared to the other nations on the list could mean the % of people from other countries moving are higher. Also, there seemed to be a decline in the number for Nigeria in 2018 compared to the previous year, etc.

All in all, migrating illegally by sea is one of the things I'd NEVER EVER advise anyone to do. That thing's so risky I don't have the heart for it but what do I know?

theamerican:


Saw this from another thread... good read!!! The part that got to me most was that of people thinking you're sick or crazy when you try to reason correctly and condemn the bribery, nepotism, corruption and the other BS.

Here's the link to the thread: www.nairaland.com/4550649/dont-think-nigeria-ever-get

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Who's that John Zibiri of a guy

Kolping:
Nigerians on the move without applying for visa...

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the figure is dropping for nigeria

GreatDIM:
I was supposed to start sharing my experiences yesterday but was very busy. I'll start by sharing my experience as a student in UK.

This experience isn't as interesting as others I have, cos UK stance on migration is NOW clearly understood by many migrants. They are tired of migrants, be it from Europe, America, Asia or Africa. There's only tolerance for highly skilled workers in sectors where more hands are needed e.g Technology, Medicine etc.

Trying to migrate to UK without falling under that category is very difficult. There's even reward for reporting illegal migrants ( including people overstaying their visa). It doesn't even make sense trying to be too clever and migrate illegally, this is because UK has experienced all the NIGERIAN tricks you can come up with. While studying, some students couldn't afford to pay fees any longer. Many dropped out of school and started hustling (working as DJ's, promoters etc.), those were really bad moves, most were caught and deported back. Most left willingly after the hustle became too difficult to sustain.

For students going to study in UK, there are two hacks to getting a residence permit, the first is studying from Bsc to PhD level. This is very expensive but that is one of the methods with the highest success stories.

The second one is studying in-demand courses, getting good grades then returning back to Nigeria to get work experience. Having a first and/ second degree with good grades and valuable work experience puts you in good stead with the HR of companies. You seem more resourceful than those hanging around UK looking for employers who would sponsor their residence permit. I know lots of people who studied in UK and got jobs after applying from Nigeria, so don't be too desperate to remain there and taint your record.

And lastly, there's the method of having a kid with a citizen, I ask people is it worth it? I've hardly seen people who went that route fulfilling their potentials. Most of them end up as wastemen and fraudsters in UK. Tbh, I don't fancy living in UK cos we NIGERAINS are very infamous. We've duped a lot, scammed a lot, so much bad repuation. IT IS WELL

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You haven't still share your own personal experience.

signature2012:


Tell us how you got naturalized?

.....how many are "us", and why you wanna know?...i sensed sarcasm here..lolz

rinzaugustine:
If I don't live in u.s where do you think I would be be living before

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OMG !!!!,see entitlement mentality!!!....e remain small make you yarn say you dey live for white house..

theamerican:


What do you mean? Is being checked and paroled in at the port of entry, maintaining your visa status and adjusting your status to permanent resident status and the likes not legit? Your post confused me.

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OK, Relocating abroad on any type of non-immigrant visas for the sake of getting a parole or do AOS cannot be termed legal immigration,if not we wont have any single one without residency.There's clear difference between travelling abroad and immigrating abroad legally,the latter has been abused and quoted wrongly.As i said earlier,the only legal immigration routes out of Nigeria as at today are through DV,family based and some kind of EB series.My opinion.

Nig4Greatness:
.....how many are "us", and why you wanna know?...i sensed sarcasm here..lolz

You have been asking others,now your turn to tell yours.

signature2012:


You have been asking others,now your turn to tell yours.

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mention those i have asked and how many of them have answered.lets start from there.

Nig4Greatness:
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OMG !!!!,see entitlement mentality!!!....e remain small make you yarn say you dey live for white house..

I know its no big deal living in america, but i gave you the earlier reply based on the tone you asked me the previous question

Nig4Greatness:
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mention those i have asked and how many of them have answered.lets start from there.

Stop using question to answer my question.
Just say you cant,and we move on.

Nig4Greatness:
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[s]OK, Relocating abroad on any type of non-immigrant visas for the sake of getting a parole or do AOS cannot be termed legal immigration,if not we wont have any single one without residency.There's clear difference between travelling abroad and immigrating abroad legally,the latter has been abused and quoted wrongly.As i said earlier,the only legal immigration routes out of Nigeria as at today are through DV,family based and some kind of EB series.My opinion[/s].

Documented aliens who are checked in/paroled in at the port of entry and are following proper channels to become permanent residents are doing it LEGALLY. For example, some students decide to stay after studies and never commit any crime in doing so.

There are several ways to migrate without breaking rules. People do them EVERY day.

theamerican:


Documented aliens who are checked in/paroled in at the port of entry and are following proper channels to become permanent residents are doing it LEGALLY. For example, some students decide to stay after studies and never commit any crime in doing so.

There are several ways to migrate without breaking rules. People do them EVERY day.

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Imagine what you just wrote above; please who are "documented aliens" and please mention those "several ways" people migrate without "breaking rules".
Look,the discussion here is about legal immigration out of nigeria and my opinion is that only people with immigrant visas can be said to have immigrated legally and student visa doesn't fall in this category.
Thought you are versed in this.

signature2012:


Stop using question to answer my question.
Just say you cant,and we move on.

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I remember only asking the op and the other German guy out of curiosity who became a German citizen under few months of getting there.
Meanwhile,your question was asked in bad faith and I see no reason to oblige you at least not until the motive is clear

signature2012:


Stop using question to answer my question.
Just say you cant,and we move on.

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I remember only asking the op from inception and the other German guy out of curiosity who became a German citizen under few months of getting there.
Meanwhile,your question was asked in bad faith and I see no reason to oblige you at least not until the motive is clear.

rinzaugustine:
I know its no big deal living in america, but i gave you the earlier reply based on the tone you asked me the previous question

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Funny you,your assumption was wrong.I do ask.people specific questions when they relate so well about specific stuffs the way you did earlier.no big deal.be good man.

Nig4Greatness:
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OK, Relocating abroad on any type of non-immigrant visas for the sake of getting a parole or do AOS cannot be termed legal immigration,if not we wont have any single one without residency.There's clear difference between travelling abroad and immigrating abroad legally,the latter has been abused and quoted wrongly.As i said earlier,the only legal immigration routes out of Nigeria as at today are through DV,family based and some kind of EB series.My opinion.

Nigeria is no longer eligible for the Diversity Visa Lottery since 2 years ago or 3 years ago.

We have exceeded the Maximum Quota allowed under the Diversity Visa Lottery.

LUCAS99:


Nigeria is no longer eligible for the Diversity Visa Lottery since 2 years ago or 3 years ago.

We have exceeded the Maximum Quota allowed under the Diversity Visa Lottery.

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Yeah I know Lucas99,more reason why legal mmigration is kinda getting difficult for Nigerians now.

Nig4Greatness:
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Yeah I know Lucas99,more reason why legal mmigration is kinda getting difficult for Nigerians now.

Honestly speaking, America has a way of getting you tied down into the system.

We make a lot of money but at the same time we spend a lot of money so at the end of the day is extremely difficult to save a lot of money after all the bills are paid.

As it stands now, the only thing holding me back here in the States is Funds.

Once I raise a enough funds {$100,000 -$200,000} I’m on the next flight back to Nigeria even if I have to take a loan from the bank.

I have already obtained a United States Passport so I can visit whenever I want.

Even if my kids are born in Nigeria then automatically they also become U.S. Citizen since I, the father is a U.S. Citizen.

Disclaimer: Please don’t leave America and relocate to Nigeria except you have obtained your U.S. Passport that way you have an option of going back if things don’t work out in Nigeria.

Anything apart from what I said above will be suicidal and you will only have yourself to blame since I will not be held liable for dishing out advice on an open web forum.

LUCAS99:


Honestly speaking, America has a way of getting you tied down into the system.

We make a lot of money but at the same time we spend a lot of money so at the end of the day is extremely difficult to save a lot of money after all the bills are paid.

As it stands now, the only thing holding me back here in the States is Funds.

Once I raise a enough funds {$100,000 -$200,000} I’m on the next flight back to Nigeria even if I have to take a loan from the bank.

I have already obtained a United States Passport so I can visit whenever I want.

Even if my kids are born in Nigeria then automatically they also become U.S. Citizen since I, the father is a U.S. Citizen.

Disclaimer: Please don’t leave America and relocate to Nigeria except you have obtained your U.S. Passport that way you have an option of going back if things don’t work out in Nigeria.

Anything apart from what I said above will be suicidal and you will only have yourself to blame since I will not be held liable for dishing out advice on an open web forum.

Bro, your disclaimer made me laugh out real loud. So, you mean we'll in Nigeria are on a suicide mission right?

LUCAS99:


Honestly speaking, America has a way of getting you tied down into the system.

We make a lot of money but at the same time we spend a lot of money so at the end of the day is extremely difficult to save a lot of money after all the bills are paid.

As it stands now, the only thing holding me back here in the States is Funds.

Once I raise a enough funds {$100,000 -$200,000} I’m on the next flight back to Nigeria even if I have to take a loan from the bank.

I have already obtained a United States Passport so I can visit whenever I want.

Even if my kids are born in Nigeria then automatically they also become U.S. Citizen since I, the father is a U.S. Citizen.

Disclaimer: Please don’t leave America and relocate to Nigeria except you have obtained your U.S. Passport that way you have an option of going back if things don’t work out in Nigeria.

Anything apart from what I said above will be suicidal and you will only have yourself to blame since I will not be held liable for dishing out advice on an open web forum.

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Very true, you earn and spend,a typical capitalist country,only way to breakthrough in such a society is to beat them to their own game.
@bolded, $200k would be more like it except you already have your presence on ground back home.wish you all the very best.
As for me,even as an America citizen,I never left Nigeria.in and out as often as possible.just love the social activities,entertainment gigs and above all the "concept of powerplay"....(if you know,you know).

Isn't Nigeria too a capitalist country except that there is no law that is enforced.

Nig4Greatness:
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Very true, you earn and spend,a typical capitalist country,only way to breakthrough in such a society is to beat them to their own game.
@bolded, $200k would be more like it except you already have your presence on ground back home.wish you all the very best.
As for me,even as an America citizen,I never left Nigeria.in and out as often as possible.just love the social activities,entertainment gigs and above all the "concept of powerplay"....(if you know,you know).

Exactly, You have to beat them to their own game

The American Society is designed in such a way to have you working until retirement that way the economy is sustained.

When I look at my uncles & aunties that have spent 20 years to 30 years abroad without no visible investment, I really weep for them.

No house both in Nigeria & Abroad plus No Substantial Money saved up both in Nigeria & Abroad for Emergencies.

Today marked my 6 years in America {I came here on June 13th 2012}.

I have already told myself that by the next 4 years when I will be 28 years old and should have achieved my aim, I will definitely checked out of the country.

Then move back to Nigeria and start thinking about settling down with a wife and having kids.

I would only come back to the United States for occasional visit.

One thing I have noticed among Nigerians is once you cross the 10 year mark, it’s extremely difficult to move back to Nigeria.

Beautyaddy:
Isn't Nigeria too a capitalist country except that there is no law that is enforced.

Who told you that Nigeria is a Capitalist Country?

LUCAS99:


Who told you that Nigeria is a Capitalist Country?

Yes! Nigeria is a Capitalist Country.