YET ANOTHER PROOF THAT BENIN IS FAR OLDER THAN IFE...

Benin Dwarf 13th Century

" Stylistically speaking, both the dwarf's ears and his facial characteristics clearly refer to Benin. It follows that the Benin bronze casting tradition must have already been quite well-developed at the time this bronze was made, around 1300.

" This throws into question the argument that the bronze tradition grew out of Ife and was only adopted in Benin beginning in the 14th century. Given its approximate 700 years and its strikingly high quality, this dwarf serves as proof that a highly-developed bronze casting tradition existed in Benin as early as 1300, thereby repudiating all theories holding that the origin of the tradition lies in Ife.

" So too does this object disprove the theory that the Portuguese brought bronze to Benin, for trade between Portugal and Benin only began in the 15th century. With the exception of the feet, this object is extremely well preserved for its age. The only very similar piece we know of is housed in the Museum of Ethnology in Vienna.

Galerie Peter Herrmann - http://www.galerie-herrmann.com/arts/art3/Ife_Benin/33_Zwerg_700J/Zwerg_700J.htm

#credit Kehinde Thompson

Yorubas please dont respond to this post.

OP take this ekaladheran dwarf figure and post in the thread about Oba of Benin visits Ooni of Ife.

We have thoroughly humiliated you there and you are trying to escape.
Go back to thatvthread with this thing and get more beating.

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Further information has also cast doubt on the iconographie arguments with which Ryder buttresses his case. Thus we now have several examples of the Maltese -cross symbols on terra-cotta materials excavated at Ife. 37

And the presence of this symbol in the city's archaeological deposits vitiates the argument, based on its alleged absence from the deposits, that Ife could not have been the source of the cross sent by the Ogane to mark his approval of a new Oba of Benin. Again, we now have several examples of the "cat's-whisker" facial mark on terra-cotta heads excavated at "classical" Ife sites. And the presence of this mark vitiates yet an argument.38

Ryder, it will be recalled, notes that brass figures allegedly representing messengers of the Ogane characteristically bear "cat whisker" facial marks, and argues that since this has never been an Ife or indeed a Yoruba mark, such messengers cannot have hailed from from anywhere else in Yoruba country. Oddly, he himself acknowledg a footnote the existence of one "cat's-whisker" head excavated at Ife. But rather thàn allow it cast doubt on his argument, he treats it as the exception that proves the rule. With the discovery of several such pieces, however, such special pleading, already dubious, becomes totally unacceptable.

Nor are the Maltese cross and the "cat's-whisker" the only Bini motifs for which Ife counterparts have been established over the past few years. On the contrary, recent excavations at Ife have revealed a whole series of motifs previously thought to be peculiar to Benin.39 Along with the new iconographie findings, we have also acquired an impressive series of dates.

Application of carbon-14 and thermoluminescence techniques to excavated materials has enabled us to assign approximate absolute dates to several major Ife settlement levels and to the terra cotta and brass works associated with them. Dates for terra-cotta pieces range from c. A.D. 1000 onward; whilst dates for brass pieces range from c. A.D. 1275 to c. A.D. 1440.

Application of these techniques to materials from Owo and Benin has also enabled us to assign dates to some of the "classical" terracotta and brass-work associated with these cities. Significantly, the Owo and Benin date-series begin slightly later than their Ife counterparts.

One particularly interesting Benin date is for a brass piece previously assessed by Fagg and Dark as early on the ground of its Ife-type naturalism. Thermoluminescence tests give it a date of c. A.D 1420 just what it should be on the premises adopted by these authors.

Taken together, the new iconographie and dating discoveries would seem to have swung the balance of the evidence back in favour of the consensual thesis of a "classical" political and artistic tradition which originated in Ife and subsequently spread to Benin.

See: Horton, R., Ancient Ife: A Reassessment Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4, 1979, pp. 69-149.

Antoeni:
YET ANOTHER PROOF THAT BENIN IS FAR OLDER THAN IFE...

Benin Dwarf 13th Century

" Stylistically speaking, both the dwarf's ears and his facial characteristics clearly refer to Benin. It follows that the Benin bronze casting tradition must have already been quite well-developed at the time this bronze was made, around 1300.

" This throws into question the argument that the bronze tradition grew out of Ife and was only adopted in Benin beginning in the 14th century. Given its approximate 700 years and its strikingly high quality, this dwarf serves as proof that a highly-developed bronze casting tradition existed in Benin as early as 1300, thereby repudiating all theories holding that the origin of the tradition lies in Ife.

" So too does this object disprove the theory that the Portuguese brought bronze to Benin, for trade between Portugal and Benin only began in the 15th century. With the exception of the feet, this object is extremely well preserved for its age. The only very similar piece we know of is housed in the Museum of Ethnology in Vienna.

Galerie Peter Herrmann - http://www.galerie-herrmann.com/arts/art3/Ife_Benin/33_Zwerg_700J/Zwerg_700J.htm

#credit Kehinde Thompson

Wow!! All hail the Great Benin Empire !!

Antoeni:
YET ANOTHER PROOF THAT BENIN IS FAR OLDER THAN IFE...

Benin Dwarf 13th Century

" Stylistically speaking, both the dwarf's ears and his facial characteristics clearly refer to Benin. It follows that the Benin bronze casting tradition must have already been quite well-developed at the time this bronze was made, around 1300.

" This throws into question the argument that the bronze tradition grew out of Ife and was only adopted in Benin beginning in the 14th century. Given its approximate 700 years and its strikingly high quality, this dwarf serves as proof that a highly-developed bronze casting tradition existed in Benin as early as 1300, thereby repudiating all theories holding that the origin of the tradition lies in Ife.

" So too does this object disprove the theory that the Portuguese brought bronze to Benin, for trade between Portugal and Benin only began in the 15th century. With the exception of the feet, this object is extremely well preserved for its age. The only very similar piece we know of is housed in the Museum of Ethnology in Vienna.

Galerie Peter Herrmann - http://www.galerie-herrmann.com/arts/art3/Ife_Benin/33_Zwerg_700J/Zwerg_700J.htm

#credit Kehinde Thompson

Sir please and please i beg you stop embarrasing yourself.

The Sculpture was made around 1300 AD...that is already 14th century.Year 1300 is 14th century which still coincides with the 14th century origin of Bini bronze art which was taught to Bini by Ife

OlaoChi:
Sir please and please i beg you stop embarrasing yourself.

The Sculpture was made around 1300 AD...that is already 14th century.Year 1300 is 14th century which still coincides with the 14th century origin of Bini bronze art which was taught to Bini by Ife

Which fact do you have it was thought by ife....

gregyboy:



Which fact do you have it was thought by ife....

Both ìfẹ́ and bíni traditions say so.

I don't know how far you are with bini traditions outside this modern politics bini elders are playing but in Colonial and pre colonial times bini said wonderful things about Ifè.. The records are there

The bronze casting families in Bini are descendants of Iguegha, an Ife man. I didn't make it up

OlaoChi:
Sir please and please i beg you stop embarrasing yourself.

The Sculpture was made around 1300 AD...that is already 14th century.Year 1300 is 14th century which still coincides with the 14th century origin of Bini bronze art which was taught to Bini by Ife

most of this dumb ass do not know that 14th century is 1300 he probably assumed 14th century means 1400 lol

Moneywomen17:
most of this dumb ass do not know that 14th century is 1300 he probably assumed 14th century means 1400 lol

People who argue against facts are buffoons who can't know basic things

Same way some buffoons will argue against Yoruba being a Niger-Congo language
You people Nigeria need help

OlaoChi:


People who argue against facts are buffoons who can't know basic things

Same way some buffoons will argue against Yoruba being a Niger-Congo language
You people Nigeria need help

If Yoruba is a Niger-Congo language how come you claim to come from Sudan? People of Sudan are not grouped under the Niger-Congo language speaking people.
Confused Yorubas again!!

OlaoChi:


People who argue against facts are buffoons who can't know basic things

Same way some buffoons will argue against Yoruba being a Niger-Congo language
You people Nigeria need help

yoruba is classified as a Niger-Congo language related to other Niger-Congo language like igala as far as am concerned who is saying otherwise

davidnazee:


If Yoruba is a Niger-Congo language how come you claim to come from Sudan? People of Sudan are not grouped under the Niger-Congo language speaking people.
Confused Yorubas again!!

Any Yoruba claiming to come from Sudan is the author of the confusion. Sane Yorubas will never claim such

Moneywomen17:
yoruba is classified as a Niger-Congo language related to other Niger-Congo language like igala as far as am concerned who is saying otherwise

My point exactly