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Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 3:37pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Oh I asked someone the question, and you answered too. Good. Do you believe in the existence of God? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by hopefulLandlord: 3:39pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18: I want you to tell us how your question pertains to the discussion though that's why I asked what point you're tryna prove with that question |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by frank317: 3:41pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18: All these questions u are what u are supposed to ask urself when u say God is the designer... Now u can confidently ask the questions because I said a three headed red elephant is the designer. Bit if I had ask u the same questions when u said God is the designer u would say I am foolish. Now if God is the designer how come none of these questions u asked has been answered by him? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 3:41pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Oh if I’m not mistaken, the discussion here is about the existence of God. Am I correct? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by hopefulLandlord: 3:48pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18: Yes! and that's why I asked how your question pertains to the topic I want you to connect it to the topic |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 3:48pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
frank317: Oh it has been answered thoroughly by him. In his word. So you see if I ask myself these questions it would be absolutely foolish. Now ponder on this. Charles’ law, boyle’s law, law of gravity. Persons have tested and prooved this to be true. Now if I come out and say Charles’ law and boyle’s law does not exist or they are false without trying it, what is that called? Folly, and I’m being delusional.. And to y’all out there, who profess that God doesn’t exist, now why are you deliberating on it. If trully he doesn’t exist to you. Something you do not believe in because of your reasoning, you’re meddling with it. What confusion! |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 3:51pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: It has been discussed earlier. I will plead with you to read messages.. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by hopefulLandlord: 3:52pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18: Would you be so kind to answer how the question "Can a design exist without a designer?" connects to the existence of whatever you call god/God? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by hopefulLandlord: 3:55pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
Martinez19: I think asking him "What is the design?" is better. the question he asked is loaded 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 4:14pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18:- So I need to try a God to know if he/she exist? - Which God and his/her laws are you talking about? - I'm talking about deist God that doesn't intervene. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by johnydon22(m): 4:27pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18:Flawed argument. You are basing your premise on assumptions that humans are designed therefore see design in everything. - It is not established that humans are designed - Designing things from other inspirations does not mean the inspiring piece is designed - Pos hoc. - Seeing patterns is different from purposeful design - Fallacy of false equivalence. -There is no relationship between seeing design and being designed or vise versa - you must demonstrate from whence the conclusion is derived.
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Snow flake Design in definition used a decorative pattern
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Up there I will be waiting for you to substantiate the quality of design (one that requires a designer) your argument up there is quite based on a false premise. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by Martinez19(m): 4:47pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Yes, I would agree with you and johnydon22 here. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 4:52pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: If there’s a design, that means someone created the design, and from the passing of time, the carnal man has not been able to prove so many things correctly, and does not fully understand some things, this means the creator the designer, must be a supreme being, whose knowledge surpasses without limit the knowledge and wisdom of carnal men. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 4:56pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
tintingz: I’m talking about the God who created the heavens and the earth. Do you believe in the God, and he doesn’t intervene. Have you called on him and he didn’t intervene? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by johnydon22(m): 4:56pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
Martinez19: The word design is used in many ways and not all of these instances means a design that requires to be designed. We refer to symmetry or patterns as design. But people most often apply anthropomorphic meaning. Take for instance when we use instances like "The river wants to go down hill" These makes the downhill flow of the river as some form of deliberate effect by the river and not a strict effect of the laws of physics" So I think the teleogical argument is from our anthromophic descriptions most often, often mistaking "reason" as in "how" for reason as in "why" 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by hopefulLandlord: 4:56pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18: Wow! carry on, don't mind me 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by johnydon22(m): 5:01pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18:No it doesn't. - How do you recognize a design that requires a designer - How do you ascribe design in patterns as designs by reason? - What is designed? - How can this designed be judged or derived? fallacy of Argumentum ad ignoratum. This argument only makes God a replacement for ignorance
Another flawed conclusion. Not being able to understand something does not connote the originator is supreme (assuming there is an originator) I do not understand engines in vehicles do not make engine designers supreme beings. It simply means you don't understand it yet 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 5:23pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
johnydon22: If humans are not “designed” i guess you need to look up the meaning of a “design”. If the inspiring piece is not designed, from where did you get the inspiration of the design from? Again “look up the meaning of design“ `There is no relationship between seeing design and being designed or vise versa - you must demonstrate from whence the conclusion is derived.` what is the disconnectedness between seeing design and being designed? SnowFlake ❄️, natural process, now you are diverging to “natural” what is natural? What controls natural? You’re still not able to prove it false. Be reasonable. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 5:36pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
johnydon22: If it doesn’t require to be designed, then it is not a design. Let us be reasonable. “Take for instance when we use instances like "The river wants to go down hill" These makes the downhill flow of the river as some form of deliberate effect by the river and not a strict effect of the laws of physics" —- This is a theory, if reasoned proves false, because it is evident that it is a strict effect of the laws of physics. 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 5:42pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: Everything physical. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 6:15pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18:Which God are you talking about, is it Yahweh, Allah, Brahma, Odin, Zeus, Ukulunkulu, Olorun, RA etc which one? Abeg make I celebrate Nigeria super eagles first. |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 6:43pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
tintingz: First of All, do you believe in God? If yes, tell me the God you believe in? If no, then why are inquisitive about what you do not believe in.? 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by tintingz(m): 7:56pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18:I don't believe in any God and I'm not inquisitive, and even if I'm inquisitive, God is a public matter and open to any debate, argument etc. Your question is like asking why are Christians arguing with Muslims about their God they(Christians) don't believe in or why are over millions of people interested in Black Panther they believe doesn't exist. You ask if I've called on God and intervene, my question is which God are you talking about, is that question so difficult to answer? |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by frank317: 8:23pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
UserX18:Cool... Pls answer them one by one for me according to all the questions u asked me when I said a 3 headed red elephant is God I am asking u... I have not the answer to anyone of them so I am asking... No one is saying u should ask urself bro. If u say to a scientist that Charles law does nonexistent... He will simply prove it to u. U guys have failed to prove God to us... Rather most theist are asking atheist to prove God none existence to them... Isnt that laughable? So u if u don't believe in something and someone tells u it exists... U will not tell the person it's false? If u can't tell the person it's false what then is the poibt of not believing? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by Heathen777(m): 10:47pm On Jun 22, 2018 |
If God exists, then this question wouldn't even have to be asked, because God would be as common knowledge as the fact that there is a sky above. There's yet to be any scientific evidence of the supernatural, let alone a God, so the odds for a god existing is looking pretty slim, practically non- existent. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by budaatum: 3:17am On Jun 23, 2018 |
felixomor:I beg to differ! It's a God, for Christ sake. After I allow my so called pride to make me stubbornly unreceptive to evidence I demanded and that is provided, the God can just strike me dumb and tell me to return after I lose my pride. Of course I'd most likely run to a doctor and ask for a cure, but after being seen by numerous doctors and not getting my voice back, I'm sure I'd eventually go, "ok God, if you are really real, give me my voice back" , and if on saying so I immediately become able to speak, then fear, if nothing else, would surely make me proclaim that there is a God. But if perchance my pride is super pride and still stops me proclaiming the existence of the God who gave me evidence which I refused to accept, then took my voice and gave it back, then that God can just take my voice away again. By then, I would most certainly go about writing, "There is a God o" since I wouldn't be able to speak. I assure you, at that point, no one would be begging God in my mind and writing more than I would. But just in case I have a super super dose of this pride you speak of, the God can always add some death at the next 12 noon to it. Let's see if my pride would help me last till 11:59 before I capitulate and say "ok God, you indeed exist". Of course, any sensible person would wonder what the heck I was talking to in the first place if not God. So evidence, for me, after checking that I am of sound mind, would be the fact that there is something that I am asking to provide evidence for it's existence, in the very first place. The fact that there is an entity to ask to provide evidence that that entity exists is evidence that that entity exists, provided I am of sound mind of course. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by felixomor: 7:29am On Jun 23, 2018 |
budaatum: Even if God strikes you dumb. Other atheists will still call it coincidence. So whats the use? An atheist professor died and came back to life and now believes in God. The moment he came back, his fellow atheist professors denounced him and Called him "mad". So thats how your story will be if God strikes you dumb, Its evidence to u. But Your fellow atheists will still call u stupid. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 7:37am On Jun 23, 2018 |
tintingz: If you don’t believe in any God, why are you now asking “Which God” please is that reasonable, oh i don’t believe the earth is round.. I dont believe there are other planets, then I’ll ask you questions about “which planet”? Is that reasonable please? Is it wise and reasonable to debate something that you absolutely do not believe exists.? Please Be REASONABLE HERE! The Muslims have their own faith, they are serving something of course, I will not want to argue about their faith, because I do not believe in the Q’uran. Anyone who will want to argue or debate about their faith, and that person does not believe in the Q’uran, it will be folly. The God that created the Heavens and the Earth. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by Butterflyleo: 7:44am On Jun 23, 2018 |
UserX18: At your words in bold, I have been saying the same thing over and over to them but they are always unable to see how unreasonable and illogical they look whenever they say such things. Even Mahatma Ghandi made the same observation and I quote "It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights against something which he does not at all believe exists." --mahatma Gandhi 1 Like |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 7:45am On Jun 23, 2018 |
frank317: You don’t believe God exists, and I should answer how he has proved Himself to me? If you don’t believe that God exists, how will you believe, the proofs He has given me? If you don’t believe Charle’s law exist, how will you believe it’s procedures? No, it isn’t laughable, how will the scientist prove Charle’s law to you, won’t you be present, your mind, and heart must be there present with the scientist, you’ve also taken part in the experiment.. Yes you can tell the person it’s false. And when the person proves to you, that it is true, you still believe it doesn’t exist it is folly, but when the person proves to you that it is true. And you decide not to believe it is okay. But note, He exists. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 7:58am On Jun 23, 2018 |
Heathen777: It can be asked. The law of gravity exists, but a fool will fill a baloon with Helium and say the law of gravity doesn’t exist. The scientist are not able to prove so many things. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein) I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein) They were also confused, delusional, and are a great evidence of Folly! Thinking the can understand God with their wisdom of Men. Thinking they are intelligent, but though foolish. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheist, What Would You Consider Evidence Of God's Existence? by UserX18: 8:07am On Jun 23, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: This is the definition of Folly. It is the evidence of God’s existence. They are foolish, God is very mercify, to even allow them which proclaim there is no God to be alive, unto this day. “Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God” That is why the wisdom of man, is absolutely foolishness is the eyes of God. What we are getting wrong is that, they are not really intelligent, they represent folly and cowardice. Do you not know it takes great Courage to believe in God.. |
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