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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Just2endowed2(m): 1:26pm On Jun 25, 2018
rationalmind:


You can also make it, will take you 59 years grin

59 yrs, na waoh thats too long and its like one has to tripple his hustle. bros its like i will like to follow the light in ur tunnel if u dont mind. (Mentor)
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ogtavia(m): 1:53pm On Jun 25, 2018
megafaraday:


Most welcome sir. Not necessarily. Any of them can be better.
ok. Thanks.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by zamirikpo(m): 5:02pm On Jun 25, 2018
Ok....guyz I was deep in thoughts today but would like to get ur thoughts on the real effect of inflation on the naira.
In the spirit of locking up funds for 20yrs in TB and hoping to profit from compounding interest what would be the real value of the naira in the same period. 10yrs back I could buy a bag of rice for 8 - 10k so when I see even 1m in my account I know it's a lot of money. Today I need 20k or more to buy the same bag of rice.

So my question is how much value would my compounded interest have after 20yrs......it would be very funny to buy a bag of rice for 150k in 2038.

How does this inflation thing really work over time.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by SirJohn(m): 5:44pm On Jun 25, 2018
zamirikpo:
Ok....guyz I was deep in thoughts today but would like to get ur thoughts on the real effect of inflation on the naira.
In the spirit of locking up funds for 20yrs in TB and hoping to profit from compounding interest what would be the real value of the naira in the same period. 10yrs back I could buy a bag of rice for 8 - 10k so when I see even 1m in my account I know it's a lot of money. Today I need 20k or more to buy the same bag of rice.

So my question is how much value would my compounded interest have after 20yrs......it would be very funny to buy a bag of rice for 150k in 2038.

How does this inflation thing really work over time.


This should give you an idea of how the trend has been. Our worst years were 1996 (40%) and 2006 (>25%) while our best period in recent years are between 2013 and 2016 when we remained on single digit. Things got bad again from 2016 but we are gradually getting better.

The idea is to spread your risk, dont put all of your eggs in one basket. Have a realistic plan and a goal, just remember it is not MMM so its slow and steady.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 5:47pm On Jun 25, 2018
zamirikpo:
Ok....guyz I was deep in thoughts today but would like to get ur thoughts on the real effect of inflation on the naira.
In the spirit of locking up funds for 20yrs in TB and hoping to profit from compounding interest what would be the real value of the naira in the same period. 10yrs back I could buy a bag of rice for 8 - 10k so when I see even 1m in my account I know it's a lot of money. Today I need 20k or more to buy the same bag of rice.

So my question is how much value would my compounded interest have after 20yrs......it would be very funny to buy a bag of rice for 150k in 2038.

How does this inflation thing really work over time.


Iam really confused on the workings of this compounding interest on TB. Interest on TB is paid upfront. So how does compounding come in?.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ugosample(m): 6:39pm On Jun 25, 2018
zamirikpo:
Ok....guyz I was deep in thoughts today but would like to get ur thoughts on the real effect of inflation on the naira.
In the spirit of locking up funds for 20yrs in TB and hoping to profit from compounding interest what would be the real value of the naira in the same period. 10yrs back I could buy a bag of rice for 8 - 10k so when I see even 1m in my account I know it's a lot of money. Today I need 20k or more to buy the same bag of rice.

So my question is how much value would my compounded interest have after 20yrs......it would be very funny to buy a bag of rice for 150k in 2038.

How does this inflation thing really work over time.



In my opinion, Nigeria is not a stable country to invest for that long on compounding your capital

What id advise is 5 years horizon max.

BUT!

If Nigeria gets its acts together in between, it will be a very good idea

So its a risk

A big risk!

I have diaspora friends who have lost BIG MONEY in the three years of Buhari presidency because of the massive inflation plus depreciation/devaluation of the currency undecided


Imagine investing 100000 dollars in Nigerian securities in day 2014 to be compounding

today the value of the thing in dollar terms will not even be up to 50k,, 60k highest

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 7:09pm On Jun 25, 2018
zamirikpo:
Ok....guyz I was deep in thoughts today but would like to get ur thoughts on the real effect of inflation on the naira.
In the spirit of locking up funds for 20yrs in TB and hoping to profit from compounding interest what would be the real value of the naira in the same period. 10yrs back I could buy a bag of rice for 8 - 10k so when I see even 1m in my account I know it's a lot of money. Today I need 20k or more to buy the same bag of rice.

So my question is how much value would my compounded interest have after 20yrs......it would be very funny to buy a bag of rice for 150k in 2038.

How does this inflation thing really work over time.

the dollar will be at worst 1000 naira in 20 years time so divide u future value/1000 to get the amount then compare it today if holding such some will garuatee u wealth.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 8:59pm On Jun 25, 2018
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by jpphilips(m): 9:39pm On Jun 25, 2018
Fxmanager:
If we intended to scam members of this forum, we wouldn't create the thread below, with the topic "Investment Anti-scam/Fraud Guide", and it would have defeated our intention, and you should check the date that the thread was create, also note that it has been updated and pushed from time to time. We even have a page "Anti-scam Guide" on our website, to educate our visitors and potential investors.

https://www.nairaland.com/3925379/investments-anti-scam-fraud-guide

Is it not common sense to know this thread is strictly a TB thread? If you are not sensible enough to recognise that, how can you make sensible investments?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by mavinc4u(f): 10:11am On Jun 26, 2018
what do i loose if i decide to terminate treasury bill before the mature date? cry
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by megafaraday(m): 4:26pm On Jun 26, 2018
mavinc4u:
what do i loose if i decide to terminate treasury bill before the mature date? cry

You loose a part of the interest u must av collected upfront.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by israelboy1(m): 4:30pm On Jun 26, 2018
I am a newbie here, i did like to learn
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by pxjosh(m): 5:32pm On Jun 26, 2018
israelboy1:
I am a newbie here, i did like to learn
Read the first few pages of this thread.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by spenca: 7:56am On Jun 27, 2018
Ugosample:



In my opinion, Nigeria is not a stable country to invest for that long on compounding your capital

What id advise is 5 years horizon max.

BUT!

If Nigeria gets its acts together in between, it will be a very good idea

So its a risk

A big risk!

I have diaspora friends who have lost BIG MONEY in the three years of Buhari presidency because of the massive inflation plus depreciation/devaluation of the currency undecided


Imagine investing 100000 dollars in Nigerian securities in day 2014 to be compounding

today the value of the thing in dollar terms will not even be up to 50k,, 60k highest




The investment of your friends is not a zero risk investment. T bills is a zero risk investment. Your friends assumed a foreign exchange risk.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ugosample(m): 8:06am On Jun 27, 2018
spenca:


The investment of your friends is not a zero risk investment. T bills is a zero risk investment. Your friends assumed a foreign exchange risk.

If you are investing dollars into ANY portfolio investment in a country whose currency is not stable, it's a BIG RISK.

Even if it's treasury bills

because when you want to repatriate your funds, you will not get the same dollar value, or something close.

Imagine the currency falling from 150 /160 to 480 then receding to 360 all within 3 years

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 9:26am On Jun 27, 2018
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by FIDELITY24(m): 10:23am On Jun 27, 2018
Good news... let the rate keep increasing till when my Tbills will mature towards year ending.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chyog: 11:18am On Jun 27, 2018
Good morning house.

what is the implications of Nigeria bilateral currency swap on the future of T.bills and other investments.

Thank you.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by psalm32: 4:53pm On Jun 27, 2018
House pls,when is the next treasury bill
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by battleaxe: 7:47pm On Jun 27, 2018
Ugosample:



In my opinion, Nigeria is not a stable country to invest for that long on compounding your capital

What id advise is 5 years horizon max.

BUT!

If Nigeria gets its acts together in between, it will be a very good idea

So its a risk

A big risk!

I have diaspora friends who have lost BIG MONEY in the three years of Buhari presidency because of the massive inflation plus depreciation/devaluation of the currency undecided


Imagine investing 100000 dollars in Nigerian securities in day 2014 to be compounding

today the value of the thing in dollar terms will not even be up to 50k,, 60k highest




I am still not clear as to why your friends lost money.

100k$ in 2014 would have been about 20m.

With compounding over the last 4 years, that should have increased to about 34m to 40m using the range of interest rates we have had over the last 4 years.

At a worst case, I would think they would have their 100k back. Yes, still less than what it could have become even at the 2 to 3% rates in your US, but not a loss.

Could you shed some light on how the value dropped to 50k? Unless they just kept it without investing or applying compounded interest?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ugosample(m): 8:42pm On Jun 27, 2018
battleaxe:


I am still not clear as to why your friends lost money.

100k$ in 2014 would have been about 20m.

With compounding over the last 4 years, that should have increased to about 34m to 40m using the range of interest rates we have had over the last 4 years.

At a worst case, I would think they would have their 100k back. Yes, still less than what it could have become even at the 2 to 3% rates in your US, but not a loss.

Could you shed some light on how the value dropped to 50k? Unless they just kept it without investing or applying compounded interest?

Well i dont have the details, but im sure it is not only fixed market instruments that they invested their money in, hence the term securities

And besides, the 100k was just a hypothetical example.

Monies were lost big time.

20 years horizon is a BIG RISK
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Jesusbabygirl(f): 8:47pm On Jun 27, 2018
zamirikpo:
Ok....guyz I was deep in thoughts today but would like to get ur thoughts on the real effect of inflation on the naira.
In the spirit of locking up funds for 20yrs in TB and hoping to profit from compounding interest what would be the real value of the naira in the same period. 10yrs back I could buy a bag of rice for 8 - 10k so when I see even 1m in my account I know it's a lot of money. Today I need 20k or more to buy the same bag of rice.

So my question is how much value would my compounded interest have after 20yrs......it would be very funny to buy a bag of rice for 150k in 2038.

How does this inflation thing really work over time.

I doubt I even understand this actually because I know the maximum tenor for t-bills is 365 days. That said, what I learnt in my Finance class last semester is that longer tenor investment have higher risks. And using my common sense, IMO, it is better to invest for a maximum of 1 year after which you weigh your options. For instance, Tbills is the only form of investment I feel comfortable with right now because I am outside Nigeria. I can't imagine investing in real estate when I am not there (lol...at least if omo onile will give me headache, let me be there to see). But in 2 years, if I am in Nigeria, the story might be different....my 1 kobo.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by zamirikpo(m): 9:23pm On Jun 27, 2018
Jesusbabygirl:
I doubt I even understand this actually because I know the maximum tenor for t-bills is 365 days. That said, what I learnt in my Finance class last semester is that longer tenor investment have higher risks. And using my common sense, IMO, it is better to invest for a maximum of 1 year after which you weigh your options. For instance, Tbills is the only form of investment I feel comfortable with right now because I am outside Nigeria. I can't imagine investing in real estate when I am not there (lol...at least if omo onile will give me headache, let me be there to see). But in 2 years, if I am in Nigeria, the story might be different....my 1 kobo.
Compounding interest is another way of saying reinvesting everything both capital and interest. it will still be on 90....181....364day structure or anyhow u like for secondary market but the money won't be touched for the said period.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by awesomeJ(m): 9:42pm On Jun 27, 2018
battleaxe:


I am still not clear as to why your friends lost money.

100k$ in 2014 would have been about 20m.

With compounding over the last 4 years, that should have increased to about 34m to 40m using the range of interest rates we have had over the last 4 years.

At a worst case, I would think they would have their 100k back. Yes, still less than what it could have become even at the 2 to 3% rates in your US, but not a loss.

Could you shed some light on how the value dropped to 50k? Unless they just kept it without investing or applying compounded interest?
Great to have you around sir.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by eromosele1986: 10:33pm On Jun 27, 2018
dipoolowoo:
Treasury Bills Yields Rise to 13% amid Selloff
https://www.businesspost.ng/2018/06/27/treasury-bills-yields-rise-to-13-amid-selloff/

I thought the next auction date is 4 of July.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by peacengine(m): 5:22am On Jun 28, 2018
Ugosample:


Well i dont have the details
, but im sure it is not only fixed market instruments that they invested their money in, hence the term securities


And besides, the 100k was just a hypothetical example

undecided

Monies were lost big time.

20 years horizon is a BIG RISK

Bro since you don't have this information, no need to mention it.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by spenca: 6:17am On Jun 28, 2018
Ugosample:


If you are investing dollars into ANY portfolio investment in a country whose currency is not stable, it's a BIG RISK.

Even if it's treasury bills

because when you want to repatriate your funds, you will not get the same dollar value, or something close.

Imagine the currency falling from 150 /160 to 480 then receding to 360 all within 3 years

Like I said it is a foreign exchange risk , even if you take pounds to buy American tbills you are exposed to foreign exchange risk. You have a risk while someone that buys tbills with Naira assumes no risk . Best advice purchase tbills in America .

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:12am On Jun 28, 2018
ahiboilandgas:
oboy it not easy I have been in mode for 3 year and it remaining 3 but a Benz c 380 i tested last week has been tempting me ...it not easy at all ...but notting good come easy...lastly i don't play with food sha, but iPhone etc mamba
With this comment, Bros you a smart investor.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ugosample(m): 9:38am On Jun 28, 2018
spenca:


Like I said it is a foreign exchange risk , even if you take pounds to buy American tbills you are exposed to foreign exchange risk. You have a risk while someone that buys tbills with Naira assumes no risk . Best advice purchase tbills in America .

You are right about the foreign exchange risks

After all, all investment na risk

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ugosample(m): 9:40am On Jun 28, 2018
peacengine:

Bro since you don't have this information, no need to mention it.
What is this one saying sef undecided undecided
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ugosample(m): 9:41am On Jun 28, 2018
Jesusbabygirl:
I doubt I even understand this actually because I know the maximum tenor for t-bills is 365 days. That said, what I learnt in my Finance class last semester is that longer tenor investment have higher risks. And using my common sense, IMO, it is better to invest for a maximum of 1 year after which you weigh your options. For instance, Tbills is the only form of investment I feel comfortable with right now because I am outside Nigeria. I can't imagine investing in real estate when I am not there (lol...at least if omo onile will give me headache, let me be there to see). But in 2 years, if I am in Nigeria, the story might be different....my 1 kobo.

This is good advice y'all
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 12:53pm On Jun 28, 2018

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