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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:29am On Jul 01, 2018
Good. So you and I need to research it.
goldfish80:


Tell us if you have the stats and post links.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:30am On Jul 01, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Learn to read. 2015-2016 season. In Guardiola’s time, I can remember some tap ins of Nacho. The person who needs to explain is you trying to make it seems it is all tap ins.

Stop changing the narrative explain.

Or you need stats.
You're obviously very bad with logic. See how you're running from pillar to post. Where did you mention Guardiola and 2015-2016 season in the screen shot I posted?
I wonder what you will add in your next post.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 12:34am On Jul 01, 2018
Read this article when u have the time, to understand why I dont want Tosin anywhere near Barca B.

Barca is only looking for players outside to help keep the B team afloat in the segunda div, they dont have any clear pathways to bring these guys to the first team in laliga. Dont be deceived.


https://everythingbarca.com/2018/05/19/barcelona-could-lose-another-la-masia-youngster-summer/

The plan is nothing but to keep the team B afloat in the segunda div


They wanted to do same thing to Ismaila Sarr of Senegal but he refused opting for Rennes instead and today he is enjoying that decision as big clubs are justling for his signature after showcasing his talent with a modest ligue 1 team, helping them win an Europa league place.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:36am On Jul 01, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Stop pretending.

You deliberately spread falsehood.

In the 2015-2016 season at Manchester City, Kelechi Iheanacho scored 14 goals, only two of them I will tag tap ins. In those two, I is debatable because of the distance Nacho was from goal and two defenders in front of him. I think that was Southampton.

Does that look like a player scoring tap ins for City?

Tomorrow you will still repeat the same lie because of hatred.


goldfish80:

You're obviously very bad with logic. See how you're running from pillar to post. Where did you mention Guardiola and 2015-2016 season in the screen shot I posted?
I wonder what you will add in your next post.


Na wa for you.


You even quoted it here.


https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/super-eagles-thread-russia-2018/4356#68974285
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:37am On Jul 01, 2018
goldfish80:

You're obviously very bad with logic. See how you're running from pillar to post. Where did you mention Guardiola and 2015-2016 season in the screen shot I posted?
I wonder what you will add in your next post.

To make it easy for you Iheanacho did not make his name at Manchester City scoring tap ins.

Hi hater.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:42am On Jul 01, 2018
TheGoodJoe:






Na wa for you.


You even quoted it here.


https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/super-eagles-thread-russia-2018/4356#68974285

You're getting yourself confused.
Where in this screen shot did you talk about Guardiola and 2014 - 2015 season?
You're not dealing with babies here.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:44am On Jul 01, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


To make it easy for you Iheanacho did not make his name at Manchester City scoring tap ins.

Hi hater.
Of course not. He made his name with Mbappe like dribbles and off the ball movements.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:49am On Jul 01, 2018
goldfish80:


You're getting yourself confused.
Where in this screen shot did you talk about Guardiola and 2014 - 2015 season?
You're not dealing with babies here.

2015-2016 is part of Iheanacho's time at Manchester City. I am trying to show you that your Manchester City tap ins ideology is false. I have already pointed out from 14 from all his goals at City. So you need to bring at least 12 tapins to have your tap ins ideology having weight.

Gerrit?

I can even increase the number with his goal against Roma in the Friendly, goal against Kansas.

Show us how Nacho is a tap in striker.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:50am On Jul 01, 2018
goldfish80:

Of course not. He made his name with Mbappe like dribbles and off the ball movements.

Stop dodging. Show us how Nacho was scoring tap ins at City. Or you just tried to spread falsehood. Stick to reading stats.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 1:14am On Jul 01, 2018
ChrisKels:



Lol alright. I hope for the best anywhere he decides to go though I won't support the move to Barca B

If only u knew the number of lamasia graduates runing away from Barca due to lack of chances to av a sniff at the first team.


He is not going to La Masia he is going straight to team b. José Arnaiz and Carles Alena both got call ups to the first team last season and they will be given a chance to impress this season. Colombia's CB Yerry Mina played in barca B for almost half of last season.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 1:16am On Jul 01, 2018
goldfish80:

Simple elimination by substitution suggests that since he didnt score any tap ins according to you, then all his goals must have come outside the box.

Yes because every goal inside the box is a tap in undecided

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 6:31am On Jul 01, 2018
goldfish80:

So why were your friends trying to deny he scored lots of tap ins?
and how does that make him a bad player? I can't remember Jesus scoring screamers all his Man city goals are tapin. so I don't understand Nacho score tapin abi he no score tapin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 6:41am On Jul 01, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


You are free to make your opinion. I did not say West Ham but I will judge Iheanacho after he gets a run in an offensive system. Is that too difficult to comprehend? All you are writing here does not scrape the tip of my point.

If you want to judge Iheanacho now with what you are seeing, you are free.

I want to see Nacho get a run in an offensive system before judging him.

Gerrit?

What is offensive system bro?

I believe that the team is offensive when they are better than their opposition. Guardiola or pelegrini are offensive because of the nature of the clubs they are managing. Benfica and Celtic night be regarded as offensive in their respective domestic leagues but defensive in UCL or UEL so it is largely down to the team strength, the coach is a plus. I'm not rubbishing the impact of possessive coaches but the team is always no.1

Put Guardiola at the bench of Gijon or Newcastle, he will be relying on break and quick counter when playing bigger bigger teams.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 6:44am On Jul 01, 2018
Oasis007:
grin

Time for Iheanacho to request a Transfer to Westham United. I didn't know Iheanacho is nothing without Pellegrini. He's heavenly made only to succeed as a Footballer under the Tutelage of Pellegrini. In a Nutshell, both are like siamese Twins.... LMAO!

ChrisKels...... ma Niggä. So Nacho is in the Class with Januzaj but not Rashford?! Like seriously?! You are rating Rashford over Januzaj just to hype our darling Iheanacho again?! LMAO!

Both Januzaj and Rashford started for their respective Teams in the last Groups' Stage Match. Guess what?! Januzaj scored a Fantastic Goal while Rashford missed a Sitter - One on One.

Besides, how did you arrive at your Comparison?! Mind showing the Stats of the Trio?! Or do I need to remind you Januzaj ain't warming Bench at Real Sociedad?!

See.... the truth is bitter, but to be honest, Iheanacho is in the Class of Okputu, Lokosa, Ajayi, Awoniyi and Co.... he's simply lucky he's warming Bench at Leicester City.


Lokosa, Okpotu and Awoniyi themselves will not agree with you.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrew444(m): 6:52am On Jul 01, 2018
ChrisKels:



It's Barcelona B, nothing to rejoice over that link. I will advice him to join Salzburg, Amiens or Anderletch instead of listening to the sweet name "Barcelona" without considering its "B" tag

Lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:00am On Jul 01, 2018
Chrismario:


What is offensive system bro?

I believe that the team is offensive when they are better than their opposition. Guardiola or pelegrini are offensive because of the nature of the clubs they are managing. Benfica and Celtic night be regarded as offensive in their respective domestic leagues but defensive in UCL or UEL so it is largely down to the team strength, the coach is a plus. I'm not rubbishing the impact of possessive coaches but the team is always no.1

Put Guardiola at the bench of Gijon or Newcastle, he will be relying on break and quick counter when playing bigger bigger teams.

Actually not true at all.

Look at our team for instance. We were negative in the first half in the Friendly match against Argentina and in the second half we played in a more offensive fashion against Argentina and caused them problems.

The same squad options but different playing style.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 7:08am On Jul 01, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Actually not true at all.

Look at our team for instance. We were negative in the first half in the Friendly match against Argentina and in the second half we played in a more offensive fashion against Argentina and caused them problems.

The same squad options but different playing style.

I believe it is because Nacho was poor during the first half.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:09am On Jul 01, 2018
Chrismario:


What is offensive system bro?

I believe that the team is offensive when they are better than their opposition. Guardiola or pelegrini are offensive because of the nature of the clubs they are managing. Benfica and Celtic night be regarded as offensive in their respective domestic leagues but defensive in UCL or UEL so it is largely down to the team strength, the coach is a plus. I'm not rubbishing the impact of possessive coaches but the team is always no.1

Put Guardiola at the bench of Gijon or Newcastle, he will be relying on break and quick counter when playing bigger bigger teams.

There are coaches like Roberto Martinez, Marcelo Bielsa and Brendan Rodgers who played in brave offensive manners without having big money bags. Even if you put Pellegrini in Leicester City today, they will play offensive football unlike what they play now.

It has a lot to do with the philosophy of the manager.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:14am On Jul 01, 2018
Chrismario:


I believe it is because Nacho was poor during the first half.

Are you talking of the Friendly or the main game? In the Friendly, the changes came from the wing back changes where we brought in offensive wing backs in Idowu and Ebuehi.

In the game against Argentina, none of our players including Moses found it easy to keep the ball. Argentina was on top the game and all we did was give Argentina the ball. Nacho came under heavy criticism because he was trying to make things happen under a very negative condition.

However, I was still impressed with his overall play which involved us fighting for the ball and trying to shut Argentina down.

People make it look as if we were running Argentina down and Iheanacho was dragging the team back, while no one was able to perform in that condition.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:19am On Jul 01, 2018
Chrismario:


What is offensive system bro?

I believe that the team is offensive when they are better than their opposition. Guardiola or pelegrini are offensive because of the nature of the clubs they are managing. Benfica and Celtic night be regarded as offensive in their respective domestic leagues but defensive in UCL or UEL so it is largely down to the team strength, the coach is a plus. I'm not rubbishing the impact of possessive coaches but the team is always no.1

Put Guardiola at the bench of Gijon or Newcastle, he will be relying on break and quick counter when playing bigger bigger teams.

Bayern Munich was not offensive when playing under Van Gaal and drew a lot of criticism. When Jupp Heynckes took over the team, there was an immediate transformation in their playing style and they started scoring a lot of goals while conceding very few.

That was the same team but performing differently in a different system.

It is not just players that determines quality of play but also the system.

Nacho is best suited in direct attacking system. That is why he did well in some of the counter attacks under Guardiola. When the ball is coming forward with pace, he thrives. The more offensive the system, the better he flourishes.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 7:37am On Jul 01, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


Bayern Munich was not offensive when playing under Van Gaal and drew a lot of criticism. When Jupp Heynckes took over the team, there was an immediate transformation in their playing style and they started scoring a lot of goals while conceding very few.

That was the same team but performing differently in a different system.

It is not just players that determines quality of play but also the system.

Nacho is best suited in direct attacking system. That is why he did well in some of the counter attacks under Guardiola. When the ball is coming forward with pace, he thrives. The more offensive the system, the better he flourishes.


To understand you better, kindly name those attacking midtable teams that are playing attacking football where Nacho can thrive
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:38am On Jul 01, 2018
jihday:
and how does that make him a bad player? I can't remember Jesus scoring screamers all his Man city goals are tapin. so I don't understand Nacho score tapin abi he no score tapin
The big question has Iheanacho really developed as player we all projected to be in no distant future.

Whether he is a tap in machine or not is not the issue cos Van Nisteroy was a tap in merchant with a class.Gabriel Jesus is a box striker with good ball movement

Truth must be told,Iheanacho needs to rediscover himself cos his performance at WC wasn't good enough especially against Argentina,very abysmal.

Eagles is evolving and in next few months am seeing young players coming in with great prospect and if Iheanacho didn't raise up his game am seeing his relevancy and the tag of golden boy of Nigeria football disappearing.

I'm very glad hearing about possible reunification with his former boss cos he did well under him at man city but need to prove himself under any coach.

Hope to see better Iheanacho next season.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by babatundey5: 8:50am On Jul 01, 2018
BascoVanVeli:



He is not going to La Masia he is going straight to team b. José Arnaiz and Carles Alena both got call ups to the first team last season and they will be given a chance to impress this season. Colombia's CB Yerry Mina played in barca B for almost half of last season.
See barca fans.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 8:58am On Jul 01, 2018
Fadiga24:


How can you continue with the wrong personnel

Admit that Rohr has done so much for this team but you hate him for personal reasons
So u can't comprehend my simple post.

My point is: We need to retain Rohr because a new coach would divert the team back to square one.

Keeping the squad together is very important. Gernot Rohr is an average coach. What is hard there for you to see.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:44am On Jul 01, 2018
jihday:
and how does that make him a bad player? I can't remember Jesus scoring screamers all his Man city goals are tapin. so I don't understand Nacho score tapin abi he no score tapin
I didnt say bad players score only tap ins. If I did, please show me where. I simply said he scored lots of tap ins and you're in denial of this fact for reasons best known to you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:47am On Jul 01, 2018
BascoVanVeli:


Yes because every goal inside the box is a tap in undecided
So he scored all his goals inside the box and none were tap ins?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:50am On Jul 01, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


2015-2016 is part of Iheanacho's time at Manchester City. I am trying to show you that your Manchester City tap ins ideology is false. I have already pointed out from 14 from all his goals at City. So you need to bring at least 12 tapins to have your tap ins ideology having weight.

Gerrit?

I can even increase the number with his goal against Roma in the Friendly, goal against Kansas.

Show us how Nacho is a tap in striker.

You haven't been able to prove that most of his goals weren't tap-ins. You're really stuttering to put up any conviction here.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 10:14am On Jul 01, 2018
goldfish80:

I didnt day bad players score only tap ins. If I did, please show me where. I simply said he scored lots of tap ins and you're in denial of this fact for reasons best known to you.
me ke? I'm just saying, cos you made it sound like it's a bad thing. anyway it's OK
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by babatundey5: 10:35am On Jul 01, 2018
If nacho scores tap-in what is d diff btw nacho nd gabriel jesus
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 10:47am On Jul 01, 2018
Fadiga24:


What has Siasia done with the National team or any club side?

Please don't mention under anything here grin

grin

In 2005, he led the U20 Team to win the African Youth Championship.

In 2005, he narrowly lost to Argentina in the Final of U20 World Cup as a Runner up. When was the last time we did well in the Competition since 2005?!

In 2008, the U-23 team won the inaugural Intercontinental Cup in Malaysia. The Team was composed entirely of domestic Nigerian players and won the Cup against many teams headed for the 2008 Summer Olympic Games.

We were grouped with the host Nation, Ireland and Iraq. Guess what we didn't lose a Match and won the Group by 7 Points. The Runner up in the Group, Ireland, had 4 Points.

We beat Chile in the Semi-Final by 2 - 1 and won the Australia in the Final to clinch the Trophy by 2 unreplied Goals.

In 2008, he coached the Nigerian Under-23 Olympic squad to the final against Argentina. In a superbly played series of matches, Nigeria's team earned the Olympic Silver Medals.

Do you wanna know the Squad of Argentina that Siasia led U23 Team narrowly lost to?!

Argentina (ARG)
Oscar Ustari
Ezequiel Garay
Luciano Fabián Monzón
Pablo Zabaleta
Fernando Gago
Federico Fazio

José Ernesto Sosa
Éver Banega
Ezequiel Lavezzi
Juan Román Riquelme (captain)
Ángel Di María

Nicolás Pareja
Lautaro Acosta
Javier Mascherano
Lionel Messi
Sergio Agüero

Diego Buonanotte
Sergio Romero
Nicolás Navarro


In 2016, he was recalled to coach the U23 Team for the RIO Olympics. We weren't unable to go with our best Legs, yet he led the Team to win Bronze Medals.

Let me help you with a List of Players Siasia won the bronze Medal with at the RIO Olympics.

1. Daniel AKPEYI
2. Muenfuh SINCERE
3. Kingsley MADU
4. Abdullahi SHEHU
5. Saturday ERIMUYA
6. William EKONG
7. Aminu UMAR
8. Oghenekaro ETEBO
9. Imoh EZEKIEL
10. John Obi MIKEL
11. Junior AJAYI
12. Popoola SALIU
13. Sadiq UMAR
14. Okechukwu AZUBUIKE
15. Ndifreke UDO
16. Stanley AMUZIE
17. Usman MUHAMMED
18. Emmanuel DANIEL

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Oasis007(m): 11:08am On Jul 01, 2018
Fadiga24:


What has Siasia done with the National team or any club side

We gave him the job and he goofed big time

grin


Mind you Siasia was never given a fair Chance at the Senior National Team. The first time he was appointed, it was for a Rescue Mission after the Eagles abysmal Performance at the 2010 World Cup.

He was appointed in November 2010 and sacked in October 2011 - not up to a Year Bruh - for failing to qualify us for the AFCON 2012 though.

He did his Best to get us qualified but was killed by the Naivete of the technical Unit of the NFF. They weren't assembled to sit and discuss Ludo Game, rather to look after the National Teams from the technical Point of View.

We won a Match and lost a Match (to the Group eventual Winner) prior to his Appointment. We didn't lose a single qualifying Match under him. We walloped Ethiopia 4 - 0 in Nigeria, and came from behind to draw 2 - 2 in the away Match.

We defeated Madagascar 2 - 0 on their Home Soil but poorly conceded a late Goal against Guinea in Nigeria to draw 2 - 2. Do you know why? It's because the Damage was done before Siasia was appointed coz we lost to them on their Home Soil.

We were leading 2 - 1 by 84". Siasia was considering H2H (Away Goal) Rule, thus he wanted one more Goal to seal our Qualification, but unluckily conceded in the last Minute of the Match.

Had he well informed of what he's needed to qualify us for the Tourney, he wouldn't have gone Gung-ho to win the last qualifying Match. So how could he be termed a FLOP with this kinda Results and Performances?

His second Spell was interim and only lasted for few Weeks. He was appointed to steady the Ship after the Resignation of Nigerian Pep Guardiola - Sunday Oliseh.

NFF have already made up their Mind to hire a foreign Coach, hence Siasia was never considered, he was rather appointed to hold the Team together until a foreign Coach is appointed, which he did honorably.

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