Henry240:

By November 2006, the C-27J completed the U.S. Department of Defense's Early User Survey evaluations, having flown a total of 26 hours and surpassed all requirements.

See, now you are just trying to argue posting tiny parts of the story. You haven't gone and done your homework.

2006 requirements and Post-Obama spending cuts requirements are not the same. I already said over 140 units ordered.

Go do your due diligence.

patches689:


Your response to the origional post implies you do.

Its made by Boeing

No sir.

Your post claims the C-27j was dropped because it fell below technical specifications.

I provided evidence to prove your claim is false and in fact the C-27j passed all US military requirements and exceeded them in many cases.


I believe you owe this board an apology.

Patches689, this is a new month, you need to be better.

Henry240:

No sir.

Your post claims the C-27j was dropped because it fell below technical specifications.

Did I?

patches689:


According to USAF experience the C-27 is more expensive to run than the C-130, and has more limitations.

No one in their right mind should buy them

I even specified over 140 units purchased thus implying that it had passed initial tests.

patches689:


"They dont know that the C-27J was developed in a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Alenia Tactical Transport, or that the USAF was one of the first and biggest operators of the C-27J with over 140 units ordered. They also dont know the story of the G.222 in US military service"

Another excellent example of the mind numbing ignorance of this board.

Thus, citing its excellent performance in initial testing is merely emphasizing a point I had already conceded - it is an uncontested point.

So now its not just a question of ignorance, its a question of illiteracy.

Henry240:
Patches689, this is a new month, you need to be better.

Henry, its been three years since the old thread.

You need to move on.

patches689:


Did I?



I even specified over 140 units purchased thus implying that it had passed initial tests.



So now its not just a question of ignorance, its a question of illiteracy.

You're making too many contradictory claims in one post.

You claim the aircraft has too many limitations.

I proved that claim is false with evidence it surpassed US military requirements.

Or do you want an Afrikaans translation?

Henry240:

I feel like it looks like a Potato. That's just my observation.

So its not the design.... But the looks?

And yes I agree it's not the prettiest plane in the world.

Nigerian navy pilots


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8lEV-gjq0Q

patches689:






"They dont know that the C-27J was developed in a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Alenia Tactical Transport, or that the USAF was one of the first and biggest operators of the C-27J with over 140 units ordered. They also dont know the story of the G.222 in US military service"

Another excellent example of the mind numbing ignorance of this board.

oh!the same America that have being using an assault rifle that needs constant maintenance.by the way,google isn't a magical portal that only you can open https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_C-27J_Spartan

patches689:


So it is an illiteracy problem. Its ok, I used to tutor people who spoke English as a second language. Ill help you through this.

Lets start with the original post:



See that word? Experience

So, experience is something we get from doing something. In this case, they get experience from using the plane. So the usage of the word experience implies that the C-27 is something they have experience with.

And then look what I said here:



Again, we underline the fact that it has been bought. So, what am I saying? Am I saying that it failed initial requirements? No, obviously not - because they bought it.

So what then am I saying when I say the C-27 has limitations? Well, lets look tat the first post again:



Notice how the C-27 is being compared to *something*? What is that something?

Yes! Thats right! Its a C-130!

So, by reading the first post we see that the criticism of the C-27 results from both experience of use and in comparison with the the C-130!

I hope this has helped you improve your grasp on the English language. I used to charge R 300 per hour, but Ill write this up as charity work.

Please, never be to proud to ask for help!

experience !while they can't even make an assault rifle that doesn't need constant maintenance!

newafricaken254:
oh!the same America that have being using an assault rifle that needs constant maintenance.by the way,google isn't a magical portal that only you can open https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_C-27J_Spartan

The same assault rifle kenya uses?

patches689:


The same assault rifle kenya uses?

american exceptionalism at its finest,after spending millions of american tax payer money to acquire UH-60 Helicopters for Afghanistan and even proposing that the afghanistan air force scrap its MI-17 helicopter fleet.now they are accepting UH-60 has limitation and its comparable with MI-17 in Afghanistan environment and task

Pentagon Admits Afghanistan's New Black Hawks Can't Match Its Older Russian Choppers

“The transition [from Mi-17s to UH-60s] presents several challenges that have yet to be fully addressed,” the report says in a section dedicated to the issue. “Black Hawks do not have the lift capacity of Mi-17s.”

“They are unable to accommodate some of the larger cargo items the Mi-17s can carry, and in general, it takes almost two Black Hawks to carry the load of a single Mi-17,” the review continues. “Furthermore, unlike Mi-17s, Black Hawks cannot fly at high elevations and, as such, cannot operate in remote regions of Afghanistan where Mi-17s operate.” link http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21558/pentagon-admits-afghanistans-new-black-hawks-cant-match-its-older-russian-choppers

newafricaken254:
american exceptionalism at its finest,after spending millions of american tax payer money to acquire UH-60 Helicopters for Afghanistan and even proposing that the afghanistan air force scrap its MI-17 helicopter fleet.now they are accepting UH-60 has limitation and its comparable with MI-17 in Afghanistan environment and task

Pentagon Admits Afghanistan's New Black Hawks Can't Match Its Older Russian Choppers

“The transition [from Mi-17s to UH-60s] presents several challenges that have yet to be fully addressed,” the report says in a section dedicated to the issue. “Black Hawks do not have the lift capacity of Mi-17s.”

“They are unable to accommodate some of the larger cargo items the Mi-17s can carry, and in general, it takes almost two Black Hawks to carry the load of a single Mi-17,” the review continues. “Furthermore, unlike Mi-17s, Black Hawks cannot fly at high elevations and, as such, cannot operate in remote regions of Afghanistan where Mi-17s operate.” link http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21558/pentagon-admits-afghanistans-new-black-hawks-cant-match-its-older-russian-choppers

I don't see why someone would buy a blackhawk instead of an mi-17

Gets asked a question about rifles, replies talking about helicopters lol.

patches689:


The same assault rifle kenya uses?

yes !with the same bullet your troops used in CAR

lionel4power:


I don't see why someone would buy a blackhawk instead of an mi-17

and that's what america wanted https://www.stripes.com/news/critics-say-scrapping-mi-17-fleet-could-undermine-afghan-air-force-1.460228

I can't find the OP but someone said the C27 Spartan will COST ALMOST 200 MN$!!? Even lifetime costs,that's impossible. The FAC is 53 mn with a yearly op cost incl. maintenance of 4.6 mn$,MAX PAYLOAD IS 6 t.

Its performance is very similar to the AN 32 AND C 295,all are STOL though the latter are much cheaper FAC.

The AN 32 carries 7.5 T, FAC 9 mn$,yearly cost 3.5 mn$.

The C 295 FAC 35 mn$,yearly op cost is 4 mn$,carries 9 T.

All prices here: http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/transport-aircraft.html

Id've gone for a complete squadron of the AN 32-our lift capacity is really low with the Y 12 and its 2.5 T Capacity being our largest[b]-IMAGINE!?[/b] The IAF is very satisfied with their performance of over a decade,unless maybe nemesis8u knows smth I don't. Fyi,transporting a single battn. would take ALL our lift platforms presently. Nothing has changed since the fall of Kismayu.
But,crucially,the Spartan has a pair of side doors which coupled with rear door allow faster paratroop dropping and the largest cargo volume of its class.

The C-27J's carrying capacity was also described as unmatched in its class. It had large cargo compartment dimensions 2.25m high, 3.33m wide (more than seven feet high and nearly 11 feet wide) along with high floor strength (4,900kg/m). Jet engines for the F-16, Mirage 2000, Eurofighter and other aircraft such as the C-130 could be transported on their own stands without special equipment. Certain ground vehicles, including the wide HMMWV ("Hummer" could be carried without alteration.

The Spartan could be used to perform paradrop operations easily and safely. It was equipped with two full-size side doors, allowing two paratroops to depart the aircraft every second, lowering the dispersion radius for the soldiers to a far smaller area than other aircraft can offer. [/b]Crews could conduct either 5,000kg (11,000 pounds) low-altitude parachute extraction system (LAPES) drops or 5,000kg high-altitude, low-opening paradrops in a single pass.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-27j.htm

Hmmmm....also.

The Spartan could remain on-station up to nine hours 200nm from its base, an important capability for search and rescue and maritime patrol operations. It could speed to the search area at 310 knots, then cover a large search area with its long endurance. [b]The AN/APN-241 search radar and the night vision goggle compatible cockpit would help the crew locate small targets at long ranges and give an unmatched accurate, day-night, all-weather material airdrop capability.

The OSI on the Spartan looks superb making this a good purchase. Newafricaken254,if it was you can you post up that link with that crazy 200 mn$ price?

newafricaken254:
yes !with the same bullet your troops used in CAR

newafricaken254:
american exceptionalism at its finest,after spending millions of american tax payer money to acquire UH-60 Helicopters for Afghanistan and even proposing that the afghanistan air force scrap its MI-17 helicopter fleet.now they are accepting UH-60 has limitation and its comparable with MI-17 in Afghanistan environment and task

Pentagon Admits Afghanistan's New Black Hawks Can't Match Its Older Russian Choppers

“The transition [from Mi-17s to UH-60s] presents several challenges that have yet to be fully addressed,” the report says in a section dedicated to the issue. “Black Hawks do not have the lift capacity of Mi-17s.”

“They are unable to accommodate some of the larger cargo items the Mi-17s can carry, and in general, it takes almost two Black Hawks to carry the load of a single Mi-17,” the review continues. “Furthermore, unlike Mi-17s, Black Hawks cannot fly at high elevations and, as such, cannot operate in remote regions of Afghanistan where Mi-17s operate.” link http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21558/pentagon-admits-afghanistans-new-black-hawks-cant-match-its-older-russian-choppers

And so?

newafricaken254:
yes !with the same bullet your troops used in CAR

What is it that you think you are saying?

kikuyu11:
I can't find the OP but someone said the C27 Spartan will COST ALMOST 200 MN$!!? Even lifetime costs,that's impossible. The FAC is 53 mn with a yearly op cost incl. maintenance of 4.6 mn$,MAX PAYLOAD IS 6 t.

Its performance is very similar to the AN 32 AND C 295,all are STOL though the latter are much cheaper FAC.

The AN 32 carries 7.5 T, FAC 9 mn$,yearly cost 3.5 mn$.

The C 295 FAC 35 mn$,yearly op cost is 4 mn$,carries 9 T.

All prices here: http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/transport-aircraft.html

Id've gone for a complete squadron of the AN 32-our lift capacity is really low with the Y 12 and its 2.5 T Capacity being our largest[b]-IMAGINE!?[/b] The IAF is very satisfied with their performance of over a decade,unless maybe nemesis8u knows smth I don't. Fyi,transporting a single battn. would take ALL our lift platforms presently. Nothing has changed since the fall of Kismayu.
But,crucially,the Spartan has a pair of side doors which coupled with rear door allow faster paratroop dropping and the largest cargo volume of its class.


https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-27j.htm

Hmmmm....also.



The OSI on the Spartan looks superb making this a good purchase. Newafricaken254,if it was you can you post up that link with that crazy 200 mn$ price?

The information you are using is from a video game.

kikuyu11:

The AN 32 carries 7.5 T, FAC 9 mn$,yearly cost 3.5 mn$.

An 32 was ok in its time , now it is not supported and spares r hard to come by.

Best go for new options

nemesis8u:


I masterchief will sacrifice u to the flood for this blasphemy

Idk why everything is always an argument here! The site itself explains it collects price info from 3 or 4 different sources.

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ssaengine:
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Mosquito / insect repellent head cover ?

French President Macron In Abuja Hosted By President Buhari@Aso Rock Presidential Villa.

nemesis8u:


Mosquito / insect repellent head cover ?

Yep

ssaengine:
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Chief that rifle is ugly. I don't know why subsaharan African countries go for ugly aesthetics when it comes to rifle.
Can't we have shiits like this...
Or its our feather head leaders sitting on the money... making us go for ugly ass rifle ?