Kog45:
That's my point "the animosity towards his parents is too much"

He lived with his best friend's family from a very young age to enable him play football. His father was in America and his mum did not have much. It is possible that he did not communicate with his father and mother as often as he wanted so he carried that resentment till now. By removing his father's name fro his jersey, you can tell that he wants to pay back.

I think, he will regret not reconciling with them if his father or mum dies... Sometimes, you just have to let go of the anger.

Kog45:
Thanks my man.

Dele had it so good with his Dad and despite his mum addiction the woman didn't gave him up for adoption.Dele didn't lack as a kid but it was a pity his mum was a booze woman.

Dele should take a cue from Anthony Joshua who struggled on his own doing odd jobs like bricklaying to survive but still see his parents as the main thing in his life.

Yeah the mom was an alcoholic, but she loved her son just like every other mom

komekn:


Once again you can't even have a knowledge based discourse. CHALLENGED to a substantive discussion you have chosen your usual option EVASION.

You have made a lot of noise wild emotive hate filled and prejudiced deductions. Defend them,that's all.

I gave you specifics but all you have done is made noise.

It's sad because you probably think you are a progressive youth. Add to that a student at university afraid to get into a discourse based on fact and rational. [color=#990000][/color]

Even when you lie your words say something about you.

Chei this fourth paragraph gave me goosebumps.

Triniti:
Dele Alli’s father not there for him when he needed him most?? You must be smoking a different brand of weed, read about dele’s relationship with his dad before you make such assumptions.

Me sef dey wonder when I read it

tbaba1234:


Mbappe has some Nigerian blood.

His Father has both Nigerian and Camerounian blood.

http://punchng.com/revealed-mbappe-has-nigerian-roots/amp/

Which state in Nigeria is he from? For instance, Anthony Joshua hails from Ogun state, how about Mbappe?

goldfish80:

Which state in Nigeria is he from? For instance, Anthony Joshua hails from Ogun state, how about Mbappe?

Mbappe's Nigerian links is from his paternal grandmum. That is just a small part of his lineage.

Joshua is a 9ja boy through and through.

Mbappe's yoruba name is Adesanmi so he is from the south west.

goldfish80:

Which state in Nigeria is he from? For instance, Anthony Joshua hails from Ogun state, how about Mbappe?

His brother's name is Adeyemi.

"Kylian’s father, Wilfried Mbappe has roots in Cameroon and Nigeria. He was once a refugee who migrated to France in search of greener pastures. In a bid to get a permanent stay in the French Country, Wilfried (a football coach) got married to an Algerian-French based citizen, Fayza (a former handball player). Both gave birth to Kylian on the 20th of December, 1998 and also to his younger brother, Ethan Adeyemi (Yoruba, meaning crown fits you), seven years after. They however, adopted a professional footballer of Congolese descent, Jirès Kembo Ekoko, who is the son of a late friend of Wilfried and who is 10 years older than Kylian."

tbaba1234:


Mbappe's Nigerian links is from his paternal grandmum. That is just a small part of his lineage.

Joshua is a 9ja boy through and through.

Mbappe's yoruba name is Adesanmi so he is from the south west.

Yes, Mbappe has a Yoruba name but until we can dig out his direct roots, state/clan we can't lay claim to him. Nigerian press haven't been able to do this, I say this because we have Yorubas in Benin Republic and Togo. There was a time we thought Jonathan Lingali was Nigerian but turned out to be Beninoise.

goldfish80:


Yes, Mbappe has a Yoruba name but until we can dig out his direct roots, state/clan we can't lay claim to him. Nigerian press haven't been able to do this, I say this because we have Yorubas in Benin Republic and Togo. There was a time we thought Jonathan Lingali and Razak Omozusi was Nigerian but turned out to be Beninoise.

Yoruba in Togo is very distinct. Hardly the same as the one spoken in Nigeria even though they have the same roots. Even the names are different. Adebayor for instance, is not native to Togo. His family emigrated from Nigeria.

Benin maybe but given the population size difference, there is a much higher chance that his root is Nigerian.

tbaba1234:


Yoruba in Togo is very distinct. Hardly the same as the one spoken in Nigeria even though they have the same roots. Even the names are different. Adebayor for instance, is not native to Togo. His family emigrated from Nigeria.

Benin maybe but given the population size difference, there is a much higher chance that his root is Nigerian.

That's my point, until we know for certain his ancestry or his father's state of origin in Nigeria then we should not beat our chest and claim he is Nigerian.
The first thing I knew about Mbappe before he burst into limelight was that his grand father was an ex Cameroun international. Findings can trace his ancestry to any of Togo, Benin, Nigeria and Cameroun.
One thing for sure is that his mother is Algerian.

goldfish80:


Yes, Mbappe has a Yoruba name but until we can dig out his direct roots, state/clan we can't lay claim to him. Nigerian press haven't been able to do this, I say this because we have Yorubas in Benin Republic and Togo. There was a time we thought Jonathan Lingali was Nigerian but turned out to be Beninoise.

Sir,yes we have Yorubas who are settlers and mostly traders in Benin republic, Togo,Ghana and cote d voire.They are all Nigerians and 80% are from EJIGBO in Osun state where Emmanuel Adebayour's families came from.

Ligaliis are from Badagry in Lagos state and they shared boundary with Benin Republic.Remember Oliseh wanted to invite him based on that name cos he is a very close friend to some Ligalis and Dosus families where Joseph Dosu came from in Badagry.

There is nothing like Yoruba race in Cameroon to prompt Mbappe senior to name his sons ADESANMI and ADEYEMI, so there is serious link with Nigeria and do not be surprised to find out Mbappe senior moved to France with Cameroonian passport despite being a Nigerian.

Sir i have a close friend who moved to France with Cameroonian passport and married a Tunisia still in Paris.

I will not deceive you Mbappe senior will never come out to say he is from Nigeria cos of the implications and that name ADESANMI will remain a mystery cos is very unusual for a Cameroonian to have that name.

If Mbappe was named with Bakassi or cross rivers names nobody will doubt his origin cos of closed relationship they shared with Cameroon.

Triniti:
The reason Nigerians in Uk were booing him was that after the separation of his parents marriage, the dad took him along to Nigerian, sent him to a £20,000 school. The man while relocating to America took him along too where he was the best man in the dad’s wedding, the only reason why the dad left him out of his sight was his love for footie which the man allowed him to pursue.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the school fees but Dele is wrong for what he is doing. I am not impressed at all. I have known people who had drug addicted parents but they always treated them with love and respect. Sometimes the parent might even steal from child sef. What could they have done to merit this kind of treatment?

Kog45:
Sir yes we have Yorubas who are settlers in Benin republic, Togo,Ghana and cote d voire.They are all Nigerians and 80% are from EJIGBO in Osun state where Emmanuel Adebayour's families came from.

Ligaliis are from Badagry in Lagos state and they shared boundary with Benin Republic.Remember Oliseh wanted to invite him based on that name cos he is a very close friend to some Ligalis and Dosus families where Joseph Dosu came from in Badagry.

There is nothing like Yoruba trace in Cameroon to prompt Mbappe senior to name his sons ADESANMI and ADEYEMI, so there is serious link with Nigeria and do not be surprised to find out Mbappe senior moved to France with Cameroonian passport despite being a Nigerian.

Sir i have a close friend who moved to France with Cameroonian passport and married a Tunisia still in Paris.

Sir i will not deceive you Mbappe senior will never come out to say he is from Nigeria cos of the implications and that name ADESANMI will remain a mystery cos is very unusual for a Cameroonian to have that name.

If Mbappe was named with Bakassi or cross rivers names nobody will doubt his origin cos of closed relationship they shared with Cameroon.

Oga, the truth is that our borders were man made, engineered by the British and French colonial masters, as a result, we have cousins across borders. My Togolese tailor bears the name Oluwafemi,clearly he is Yoruba but not Nigerian. We now have borders and clearly mapped out territories.
Mbappe's father could be a Nigerian who left with a Camerounian passport, maybe. He could also be Camerounian whose mother is Yoruba from any of the countries where you find Yorubas. Until, we have evidence his father is Nigerian, then we can indeed say he's Nigerian.
I'm sure he has nephews and cousins in Nigeria if indeed he's from here. It is left for the press to do their forensic search. The name alone is not enough.

goldfish80:


Yes, Mbappe has a Yoruba name but until we can dig out his direct roots, state/clan we can't lay claim to him. Nigerian press haven't been able to do this, I say this because we have Yorubas in Benin Republic and Togo. There was a time we thought Jonathan Lingali was Nigerian but turned out to be Beninoise.

Guy we don claim am nothing go happen. Lol

goldfish80:


Oga, the truth is that our borders were man made, engineered by the British and French colonial masters, as a result, we have cousins across borders. My Togolese tailor bears the name Oluwafemi,clearly he is Yoruba but not Nigerian. We now have borders and clearly mapped out territories.
Mbappe's father could be a Nigerian who left with a Camerounian passport, maybe. He could also be Camerounian whose mother is Yoruba from any of the countries where you find Yorubas. Until, we have evidence his father is Nigerian, then we can indeed say he's Nigerian.
I'm sure he has nephews and cousins in Nigeria if indeed he's from here. It is left for the press to do their forensic search. The name alone is not enough.

Correct

BascoVanVeli:


I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the school fees but Dele is wrong for what he is doing. I am not impressed at all. I have known people who had drug addicted parents but they always treated them with love and respect. Sometimes the parent might even steal from child sef. What could they have done to merit this kind of treatment?

I lay emphasis on the fee for people to know that he was sent to the best school around,his mom alone was an alcoholic. I think she’s clean now, she reconnected with her ex- husband and they tried to get an audience with him and he refused. The dad’s not even after his money because he’s a very rich man

goldfish80:

Which state in Nigeria is he from? For instance, Anthony Joshua hails from Ogun state, how about Mbappe?

Thank you for asking him

tbaba1234:


Mbappe's Nigerian links is from his paternal grandmum. That is just a small part of his lineage.

Joshua is a 9ja boy through and through.

Mbappe's yoruba name is Adesanmi so he is from the south west.

Oga adesanmi is not only a Yoruba name.

Which state is the paternal grand mum ?

BascoVanVeli:


I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the school fees but Dele is wrong for what he is doing. I am not impressed at all. I have known people who had drug addicted parents but they always treated them with love and respect. Sometimes the parent might even steal from child sef. What could they have done to merit this kind of treatment?

Sir we have the types of Dele Ali who don't want to associate with us,forget the alcohol addiction of his mum,Dele belong to the group of Sade Adu and SEAL.

SEAL a Grammy award winner had his part of his education in Lagos and even have friends that they went to the same secondary school though didn't finished before relocated back to UK.Did you know when his mother died SEAL failed to turn up for her burial in Nigeria.

SADE ADU was born in Ibadan not even in UK but always behaving as if she has nothing to do with Nigeria and despite that Nigerians always feel proud of her.

Philip Idowu a great athlete was born by a great sport philanthropist Chief Nathaniel Idowu but refused to associate with Nigeria despite his father great contribution to sport development especially football.

Christy Ohurougu another super athlete of Nigeria descents.Apart from the name Ohurougu i don't see her showing that love for Nigeria.

This is more reason am always showing that respect for Anthony Joshua,David Alaba and of recent Manual Akanji though not representing Nigeria but they are always happy to associate with naija.

I remember the group of guys with Ibo names born in the states that came down to Lagos to tutor young kids about America NFL.These are the type of guys I always have respect for.

Kog45:
Sir we have the types of Dele Ali who don't want to associate with us,forget the alcohol addiction of his mum,Dele belong to the group of Sade Adu and SEAL.

SEAL a Grammy award winner had his part of his education in Lagos and even have friends that they went to the same secondary school though didn't finished before relocated back to UK.Did you know when his mother died SEAL failed to turn up for her burial in Nigeria.

SADE ADU was born in Ibadan not even in UK but always behaving as if she has nothing to do with Nigeria and despite that Nigerians always feel proud of her.

Philip Idowu a great athlete was born by a great sport philanthropist Chief Nathaniel Idowu but refused to associate with Nigeria despite his father great contribution to sport development especially football.

Christy Ohurougu another super athlete of Nigeria descents.Apart from the name Ohurougu i don't see her showing that love for Nigeria.

This is more reason am always showing that respect for Anthony Joshua,David Alaba and of recent Manual Akanji though not representing Nigeria but they are always happy to associate with naija.

I remember the group of guys with Ibo names born in the states that came down to Lagos to tutor young kids about America NFL.These are the type of guys I always have respect for.

We have alot of them in the NBA. Former play off mvp Iguodala will kill you if you called him Nigerian but he's from Edo state.
Antetokumbo is another one, he is one of the best players in the NBA, recently turned down a contract from LA Lakers to resign for his team but he claims Greek with his brothers.
Even Emeka Okafor, who I knew his sister on a personal level opted to play for USA when he was at Milwaukee Bobcats.

For me, anyone who doesn't feel Nigerian should be left alone.

ChrisKels:



Hmmm bad belle indeed. My dear, to me and most guys in here, u na better wash until u prove otherwise.

Dude claimed to be working with NFF to recruit and organise turneys for team Nigeria UK yet he doesn't know when Ademola was a member of the team neither does he know the chief organiser, "Doherty" yet u wanna tell me u are real?

You are a very big joke bro

Now in your desperate Dan moves you are scrapping the bottom of the pot.

I HAVE NEVER EVER SAID i have been involved OFFICIALLY with the NFF to organise football tournaments and or selection exercises. Yes i may know people in the NFF , but that is about it. I also do not know Doherty or Ademola and still don't know them.

Not sure why i should know them, particularly in my experiences with the NFF its all been about self seeking interest, for financial gain.


So please go back , bring out the post you said i CLAIMED . If you can not that makes you WHAT And you will remain that which is devoid of truth ,integrity and honour.


And do not be evasive, or start to make noise to muddy the waters, be plain spoken and for once TRUTHFUL .

Triniti:
Dele Alli’s father not there for him when he needed him most?? You must be smoking a different brand of weed, read about dele’s relationship with his dad before you make such assumptions.

I haven't actually read anything and the source of my information was not the media.

Kog45:
Dele attitude toward his father is bewildering cos he was with his mum till age of 13 and his Dad was there for him but the moment he signed his first pro contract his relationship with his Dad never remain the same.

Dele was not raised by adopted parents like John and Justin Fashanu who were raised by foster parent but John and Justin still had good relationship with their Mum and came to Nigeria in the 80s to see their Father who reside in Ibadan but Dele continuous hating towards his mum and Dad was due to his wealth which adopted parents see as opportunity.

On his father,Dele had good relationship with his Dad to the extent he had part of his primary school education in Nigeria before relocated to United States with him but left states to UK when his Dad discovered his love for the game to stay with his mum.And to cap it all his father bought him his first car.

I think his adopted parents are really enjoying the guy's wealth and are happy with his hard stance toward his parents.

You are trying to present opinion and circumstance as FACT.

You really do not know the impact of his Fathers action on Dele Alli, i could go into a long discussion about it. It simply defeats the purpose.


Dele Alli feels so aggrieved so abandoned that he gives more recognition to his foster parents than his own biological father, add to that he even want to remove his fathers name from his identity.

But instead of appreciating his pain and turmoil that drove him to such an act of despair and disappointment. You are exonerating his Father and condemning the son. You simply have no idea. But then again it seems you are not here, so i apologise for presuming you are, therefore you will not understand, the psychological dynamics involved.

I wont even bother myself to expose the half truths that have been presented to you and you now anchor your deduction on here , somewhere you also have been misinformed as well. Not everything you read is true.

The circumstance of Fash and Dele are totally different.

I don't think you can appreciate the depths of despair being put into the care system can push you too when you have a living Father. To become a local authority LAC (looked after child) it is the depths of disillusionment.

Its a subject dear to my heart, because i see so many damaged children who have gone through the care system in the uk, abandoned by their Nigerian fathers.

Look the matter get as he be too explain.

kog45 has not exonerated anybody all he is saying is their are 2 sides to a story. knowing the facts we have on ground it's only logical to be puzzled at dele's extreme beef for his parents.

with his mother yes she was an alcoholic but she never gave him up for adoption and we don't know if she abused him whether emotional or physical at least dele or anyone close to him hasn't said otherwise. the mother also as far as we know hasn't been extorting him.

with his father the facts in public domain suggest he cared for his son. sent him to the best expensive schools, made him his best man, bought him his first car, allowed him to go and pursue his dreams of playing football professionally. plus as far as we know no public reports of abuse whether emotional or physical.

anyway dele is a full grown adult who can make any decision that bests suits him. i'm no psychologist and i don't mean to make light of dele's reasons for what he's doing i just find it like everyone else kinda somehow.

all the best to him anyways

komekn:



You are trying to present opinion and circumstance as FACT.

You really do not know the impact of his Fathers action on Dele Alli, i could go into a long discussion about it. It simply defeats the purpose.


Dele Alli feels so aggrieved so abandoned that he gives more recognition to his foster parents than his own biological father, ad to that he even want to remove his fathers name from his identity.

But instead of appreciating his pain and turmoil that drove him to such an act of despair and disappointment. You are exonerating his Father and condemning the son. You simply have no idea.

I wont even bother myself to expose the half truths you have presented here for the gullible to eat up.

BascoVanVeli:


I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the school fees but Dele is wrong for what he is doing. I am not impressed at all. I have known people who had drug addicted parents but they always treated them with love and respect. Sometimes the parent might even steal from child sef. What could they have done to merit this kind of treatment?

I wish i could talk more about this.

The DYNAMICS of parenting here are totally different from Nigeria.

In Nigeria we feel PROVISION is the core requirement to parenting in England RELATIONSHIP is. If you do not nurture, guard and encourage relationship. You will loose your children. In Nigeria they will still feel obligation to you maybe even love you, even when you only see them once a year.

It may because , there is already GOVERNMENT PROVISION for most things, so then you have to give more and invest your time in your relationship bonding and appreciation. This is another reason our marriages are failing like never before as well. In Nigeria it is normal and acceptable to be working in Abuja while your family is in Uyo. Again you are looking for PROVISION

Unfortunately, this is something many of our guys do not appreciate when living in the west, that model does not work here.


Add to that the identity crisis of being mixed race , the adoption and expectations anchored on eurocentric norms and values, how then do you expect a child to be Afro-centric when Daddy is chasing £££ 24/7 to build house in Lekki 1 , etc The crown that despair with being put into the care system as LAC, then insult to injury with a white family. Meanwhile Daddy is the US with new wife and your Mum has had her parental rights removed because of alcahol addiction.

Finally, what are the most formative years in a persons life, i would say the teenage ones. My own example highlghts the matter.

My Father, woke up one morning and said Megwuno oooh, my pikin don turn Oyibo finis, quick action i was stoned direct flyte to Warri for high school, in boarding house. Now i am Made in Warri but born in UK .

chrisooblog:
kog45 has not exonerated anybody all he is saying is their are 2 sides to a story. knowing the facts we have on ground it's only logical to be puzzled at dele's extreme beef for his parents.

with his mother yes she was an alcoholic but she never gave him up for adoption and we don't know if she abused him whether emotional or physical at least dele or anyone close to him hasn't said otherwise. the mother also as far as we know hasn't been extorting him.

with his father the facts in public domain suggest he cared for his son. sent him to the best expensive schools, made him his best man, bought him his first car, allowed him to go and pursue his dreams of playing football professionally. plus as far as we know no public reports of abuse whether emotional or physical.

anyway dele is a full grown adult who can make any decision that bests suits him. i'm no psychologist and i don't mean to make light of dele's reasons for what he's doing i just find it like everyone else kinda somehow.

all the best to him anyways

my post to Basconvelli answers most of your questions, please read.

Can i humbly suggest what you are calling facts are not facts .

Triniti:
I lay emphasis on the fee for people to know that he was sent to the best school around,his mom alone was an alcoholic. I think she’s clean now, she reconnected with her ex- husband and they tried to get an audience with him and he refused. The dad’s not even after his money because he’s a very rich man

My brother now you done reemphasize abeg reason me wetin dem dey teach for that school were school fees reach to buy player for Nigerian transfer market?

If to say France don commot for group stage,shey una for dey argue dis mbappe issue ?

Another country maybe Sudan sha will soon lay claims to him when he wins d ballon Dior,

goldfish80:


Oga, the truth is that our borders were man made, engineered by the British and French colonial masters, as a result, we have cousins across borders. My Togolese tailor bears the name Oluwafemi,clearly he is Yoruba but not Nigerian. We now have borders and clearly mapped out territories.
Mbappe's father could be a Nigerian who left with a Camerounian passport, maybe. He could also be Camerounian whose mother is Yoruba from any of the countries where you find Yorubas. Until, we have evidence his father is Nigerian, then we can indeed say he's Nigerian.
I'm sure he has nephews and cousins in Nigeria if indeed he's from here. It is left for the press to do their forensic search. The name alone is not enough.

All Yorubas living or dead migrated from Nigeria, to be specific Ile Ife. That is why if you ask any Yoruba man in Togo, Benin, Ghana etcetera they will tell you dey are from Ile Ife or Oyo. Most of them will even tell you the village they identify with after they left Ife or Oyo.

Oral history is passed down to most of them to know where excatly they migated from in Nigeria and who of there relatives remains. The only Yoruba who will never claim he is from Ife or Oyo is Ijebu.

goldfish80:


Which Belgian first team? This one?

Belgium: Courtois (6), Dendoncker (6), Boyata[/b]by (6), [b]Vermaelen (6), Fellaini (6), Dembele (7), Tielemans (7), Chadli (6), Thorgan Hazard (5), Januzaj (7), Batshuayi (6).

Lol

At least, four.

komekn:


I wish i could talk more about this.

The DYNAMICS of parenting here are totally different from Nigeria.

In Nigeria we feel PROVISION is the core requirement to parenting in England RELATIONSHIP is. If you do not nurture, guard and encourage relationship. You will loose your children. In Nigeria they will still feel obligation to you maybe even love you, even when you only see them once a year.

It may because , there is already GOVERNMENT PROVISION for most things, so then you have to give more and invest your time in your relationship bonding and appreciation. This is another reason our marriages are failing like never before as well. In Nigeria it is normal and acceptable to be working in Abuja while your family is in Uyo. Again you are looking for PROVISION

Unfortunately, this is something many of our guys do not appreciate when living in the west, that model does not work here.


Add to that the identity crisis of being mixed race , the adoption and expectations anchored on eurocentric norms and values, how then do you expect a child to be Afro-centric when Daddy is chasing £££ 24/7 to build house in Lekki 1 , etc The crown that despair with being put into the care system as LAC, then insult to injury with a white family. Meanwhile Daddy is the US with new wife and your Mum has had her parental rights removed because of alcahol addiction.

Finally, what are the most formative years in a persons life, i would say the teenage ones. My own example highlghts the matter.

My Father, woke up one morning and said Megwuno oooh, my pikin don turn Oyibo finis, quick action i was stoned direct flyte to Warri for high school, in boarding house. Now i am Made in Warri but born in UK .

That still makes no sense at all. The father was in his life no matter how you word it. He has no tangible reason to treat that man like he is doing. Even his mother should not be treated like that. LeBron James mother was an heroin addict but he never turned his back on her. Even if she bin dey beat am, haba that boy must to go and repent. Honour thy mother and father.

Divorces are up in the country because we have lost our ways. Morality has been abolished. It has nothing to do with travelling to make money because if it was so we would have been divorcing before oyibo.

Dele will have his own children one day and abi him na football player werr go miss him pikin school play also.

forgiveness:


At least, four.

LOL.. Belgium made 9 changes in the team that beat England. Vermaleen and Boyata are not starters. Vertoghen, Kompany and Alderweireld are the starting center backs.