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Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Nobody: 6:00pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
ELKHALIFAISIS: I know. |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by HomeOfMe(f): 6:02pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
theoldpretender:I think govt should bring history studies back in school curriculum,because not knowing these things is making some people offended by the OP's story. 2 Likes |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by HomeOfMe(f): 6:04pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
Diso60090:Slave trade was practiced in most parts of Nigeria. If you research history,you'd see it. |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by themanderon: 6:04pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
If you do not know where you are coming from you cannot know where you are going. I can also relate with what this lady is talking about. Well what many people do not yet realize is that some people are suffering today for no fault of theirs but as a result of wrong decisions made by their ancestors. |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Diso60090(m): 6:06pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
HomeOfMe: Na you know that one |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by amanze2020(m): 6:47pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
modaink333:That's a sign of poor reading habit. A canker worm eating deep inside the society. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by thesicilian: 6:53pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
emmyid:Your own explanation revealed the fact that you lack a basic understanding of the topic at hand. I asked him to explain because I wanted to understand his own point of view, not that I didn't know there was slavery in Africa before the coming of the white men. The level of slavery we are talking about here goes beyond the traditional slavery/servant type attached to Kings. Those ones were still afforded 3 square meals per day, and allowed to visit their families once in a long while (at least in my own tradition). Here we are talking of the selling and buying kind, along with torture, where you never get to see your home again. I didn't know that existed in Nigeria then hence my question. 2 Likes |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by theoldpretender(m): 8:18pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
Bsuedu: Nice to hear. Black American history is sad but inspiring at the same time |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Jerrypolo(m): 9:40pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
musicwriter: Nice read. We have a long way to go as neo colonialism is the new gold. 1 Like |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by writeprof(m): 11:02pm On Jul 16, 2018 |
royalamour: The Europeans who brought Christianity did same and worse especially to blacks. Read Frederick Douglass story and Robinson Crusoe for more facts. |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Bitterleafsoup: 12:01am On Jul 17, 2018 |
musicwriter:Some African cultures on a spiritual level have people that serve the gods as a type of servitude, that did not start with osu. Others debts could put you in slavery after repaid your free. Really the biggest is territory disputes among kingdoms and tribes produced servants/ slaves. Usually they assimilate into the community. |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by emssecca: 12:44am On Jul 17, 2018 |
I suspect some racist europeans are on this forum poising as Africans. Thereby using this forum to help spread self-hate, misinformation and fake history about Africans. Africans started civilisation but the europeans came and supplanted it, then colonised it. Ancient Africans never saw the world as something to subdue but something to learn from. If Africans are so dumb I challenge all europeans to stop meddling in our affairs through covert or overt means and leave us alone to our devices and see what we come up with. Even when our corrupt presidents, whom are european puppets want to hide stolen money in your european banks please refuse and send it back to the African country. Also if our corrupt leaders want to get treated in your hospitals send these leaders back to be treated back in their home countries. Stop selling them weapons. Stop bribing them through fake 'aid' money, commonwealth(a.k.a british empire), IMF, world bank, white elephant projects etc and let us see who will come out tops! And African men we need to wake up and know our history and current affairs. The other day french president came to Naija and we were dancing and laughing with him while he is reponsible for killing, raping and massacaring southern camerounians as I type this! EasterDell: 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by emssecca: 1:04am On Jul 17, 2018 |
Africans, my advice is we have to be careful on how we push our narrative for posterity. When we say 'we' do something it has be be what the whole community, country or nation does. It has to be legal to do at that time. If its something only the rich and powerful does but it is frowned upon by the majority of the poor masses, it does not mean 'we' as a people accepts to do it. The majority of the public may be coerced to do evil things by the powerful and because they are powerless and afraid to stop it, does it make it what 'we' do? No. Africans had servants and prisoners of wars and not slaves! We should be very careful. And if some people, a minority of Africans ventured into enslavement of fellow Africans, it was illegal and heavily frowned up by majority of Africans. We had wars with the europeans to stop slavery. Do not for a second think it was europeans that stopped slavery. It was strong brave Africans that stopped slavery. The europeans inly reacted becos their means of revenue was heavily affected, then they switched to 'colonisation!' Africans, study your history!!! theoldpretender: 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by flyca: 1:53am On Jul 17, 2018 |
HomeOfMe:Did you see "Nigeria" anywhere in my comment? |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Nowenuse: 2:10am On Jul 17, 2018 |
theoldpretender: Thank you very much. You see, I thought I was the only one who noticed this. Make no mistake bro, I have discovered that there is a very big difference in the mentality of Blacks in the USA and Blacks in Latin America. Blacks in the USA promoted themselves, they fought aggresively and died for their own rights because they found themselves in a society that was completely against them and ostracized them. Blacks Americans sang their own musics, acted their own movies, created their own magazines and beauty products to inspire themselves, the likes of BET, Ebony etc come to mind. Afro-Latinos on the other hand have a history of heavy intermixing with their white masters which gave rise to the large mixed race population you see all over the Latin world. This somehow made Afro-latinos not to feel too hated by the whites or to develop a very distinct culture or identity from the whites unlike African americans. Instead they prefer to try to be like the whites, marry more whites and become whitenized. They live to please white people. They have no identity, struggle or pride of their own. In a country like Brazil where 50% of the population are mixed race or black (pardo or preto), you see a disproportionate number of whites representing their media and politics, yet the mixed and black people seem not to be worried about it or challenging it as such. Why don't they have their own movies like the Black Americans started doing to promote their own selves? In America, the one drop rule was used and all mixed and black people had one identity and struggle as black people. In Brazil, the mixed people look down on the black people and never identify themselves as blacks. The mixed people try their best to become whiter and appeal to the white majority population. It's just a very pathetic case for the blacks and mixed populations in the Latin world. 2 Likes |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Nowenuse: 2:17am On Jul 17, 2018 |
theoldpretender: I'm happy that we still have enlightened nairalanders like you here who help to enlighten the ignorant Nigerian mass. Just see how some ignorant people jump over here wishing their ancestors were slaves so that they can be citizens of the Americas. They don't know that only probably 1% of the descendants of African slaves shipped away live very comfortable middleclass lives in a first world country. I weep for the ignorance of Nigerians of today. Our educational system is failed and ignorance is the order of the day. 1 Like |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Nowenuse: 2:28am On Jul 17, 2018 |
musicwriter: @theoldpretender. I think this person above is very very correct. Africans never traded slaves with each other before the Arabs or Europeans came. The Arabs/Europeans took great advantage of our naivety and unexposure. Now they make it look like slavery was all our fault and they were just innocent passersby who were enticed/offered some slaves to purchase. As an African, the only blame I think we fully deserve was the human sacrifice of enslaved people. We and the native Americans were the only group of people to really have practiced this inhuman act for millenia. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Nowenuse: 2:42am On Jul 17, 2018 |
EasterDell: You made salient points above I must confess. But for you to completely underrate, Ignore and rubbish the achievements of past african empires is what I would not accept. The Mongols once ruled half of the world, how great are they today? They are a small minority in China almost absorbed and have another landlocked insignificant country btw China & Russia. Arabs once ruled and conquered even parts of Europe. How great are they today? Will you just throw away the numerous past Kingdoms and Empires of Africa like Mali, Abbysinia, Nubia, Kush, Askum, Songhai, Ghana, Benin, Kanem-bornu, Ancient Egypt etc as Africans always being backward? The Greeks once ruled the world, today they are the economic embarrassment of Europe. Assyrians were once a world power, today they are a small almost ethnically cleansed minority in the Arab world. Empires and kingdoms rise and fall and times change. 4 Likes |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Nowenuse: 2:51am On Jul 17, 2018 |
baby124: As much as I'd like to be happy about this comment of yours vindicating Africans, I can see how the current crop of Africans today still sell each other for the same material gains. Are our leaders not selling the future of the masses for their own personal gains? The most painful of them all are the Human traffickers who defraud and deceive their fellow Africans with the promise of a good life in Europe, only to trick them into the hands of Libyans to sell them off. It's so pathetic! I highly doubt that even though the fate of the slaves in the new world has been made known to their African sellers, it wouldn't have made any difference to the sellers. Afterall, these same slaves were used for human sacrifice in many places by their masters. The writer also made very clear the heavy chains her father used for his slaves. 1 Like |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by baby124: 3:10am On Jul 17, 2018 |
Nowenuse:The heavy chains were not forged in Africa, they were given to co conspirators especially in the hinterland by the Europeans. As for Africans betraying their people in this age, well materialism is the order of the day. But you still see that majority frown on slavery, fraud and deception. It is the scum of the earth who deceive their fellow Africans into countries like Libya. During the transatlantic slavery trade these scum were given guns, guards, lands and money to enable the success of the trade! The scum today are our leaders and the wicked human traffickers. Anyone that wants to rule and make real change is undermined to a large extent! Africans need to wake up and demand a change or the world will never take them seriously! As to human sacrifice, many cultures practice that! The only time humans are buried with another human is when a royal dies. These people are raised or dedicate their lives for that purpose, like the Abobakus. The Abobakus elect to die with the king. They live a rich life like the king during their lifetime, and choose to die with him to continue enjoying in the afterlife. Does that look like a forced death to you? No. Different cultures, different practices. This narrative falls into a single story trap. My own family, the slaves became part of the family and took on their masters name. They married, had children and they are part of my extended family once their debt was paid. They were totally absorbed into society and married freeborn as long as they could afford to take care of them. This author making her father’s narrative an African narrative is very dangerous and should be questioned immediately. Several tribes had different practices. We don’t have the caste system in Yorubaland and no one is discriminated against. Many times slaves even grew to army general rank and other prominent titles in Yorubaland. They were so integrated that people barely remember which family came in as slaves. We need to paint the right picture of slavery or indentured servitude in the African context. It’s apparent that the writer’s forefather was a criminal who rose the ranks with the help of Europeans. The real royals did not live such crude lives. They always had servants and their own priests to do rituals for them. This writers father was doing his own rituals and terrorizing people by himself like a modern day shekau. Remember Igbos don’t believe in royalty, so it would have been easy for low life criminals to be imposed and elevated. 2 Likes |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by Nobody: 3:35am On Jul 17, 2018 |
To Baby124, You make a really good point in your posts, I wondered why the author decided to go the route of The New Yorker. As you said, that this narrative is somewhat different from other tribes, mainstream America will not see it that way. Racists and others will use this narrative to justify their own ancestors involvement in slavery. I will add I did learn somethings from the comments here. |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by baby124: 3:45am On Jul 17, 2018 |
Bsuedu:Don’t mind her. I have an ancestor who came in as a slave, got his freedom and who became very rich and married a female ancestor whose father was an aristocrat and had his own slaves too. The “slavery” tag in cultures was very fluid. They were seen as “unfortunate” humans or prisoners of war to a large extent. Once they were able to prove their loyalty and serve their new king truthfully, they were reintegrated in Yorubaland. |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by bigfrancis21: 5:29am On Jul 17, 2018 |
I'm aware that Igboland did participate in slavery but it is new to me that the extent of participation in slavery reached this deep into Northern Igboland (Anambra/Enugu areas). 1 Like |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by musicwriter(m): 5:56am On Jul 17, 2018 |
Nowenuse: Our people have been so dumbed down in the name of education that it becomes almost impossible to convince them that everything the European told them is a lie. According to the records of Mungo Park, when he arrived Africa and acquired some slaves, he said: ''the slaves from Mali were all very inquisitive, but they viewed me at first with looks of horror, and repeatedly asked if my countrymen were cannibals. They were very desirous to know what became of the slaves after they had crossed the salt water. I told them that they were employed in cultivating the land; but they would not believe me.'' Its clear from the above that the African people thought the slaves were eaten as meat. Its a pity when you try to enlighten our people that our ancestors had no idea what the whole slave trade was about, they'll prefer to believe that our ancestors originated slavery, not realizing that slavery is an old European business brought to Africa. Europeans had been enslaving themselves in Europe for thousands of years. They simply moved their trade to Africa and other parts of the world upon the end of feudalism in Europe. What's worse? Cannibalism was widespread in Europe, but these brainwashed Africans claiming Europeans brought us enlightenment don't know it. They will never tell you that Europeans ate each other. The white man has so much intimidated them to worship him that they consider such information a taboo. Cannibalism in Europe https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/europes-hypocritical-history-of-cannibalism-42642371/ And they didn't just bring slavery. The same period the Europeans were in Africa claiming they brought us light, they were widespread killing of people classified as witches in Europe. The term ''witch hunt'' was a real invent where people were accused of being a witch and they were killed and burnt down on the street. When the Christian missionaries arrived Africa, they brought us that practice as well, and that's how people came to be called witches. This is something nobody talked about. Killing of witches in Europe 1 https://www.thoughtco.com/persecuting-witches-and-witchcraft-4123033 Killing of witches in Europe 2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_modern_period 3 Likes |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by MartinCorridon: 6:38am On Jul 17, 2018 |
ELKHALIFAISIS: ....don't worry, you are still an inferior OSU wawa jew nah. Best case scenario: you are still very much a slave to your fellow FLATMATES. Shebi you wan be slave Realistically- a slave to the Afonjas you abuse all day long [img]https://media1./images/7d7ea8a8d7135f3ded1f3f8f82b598ab/tenor.gif?itemid=10351560[/img] |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by EasterDell: 7:07am On Jul 17, 2018 |
Nowenuse: Totally agree with you! I'm just sometime irked by the irresponsible reverse racist blame game mentality many Africans prefer to adopt. 1 Like |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by EasterDell: 7:18am On Jul 17, 2018 |
emssecca: My friend, it is people like you that make me write very pungent comments like I did. Keep waiting for Europeans to infiltrate NL and give you sense. Yes, no body owes your corrupt leaders common sense, no body owes you security, nobody owes you anything! Get it yourself... Yes! Blacks will continue being raped, massacred and controlled both overtly and covertly until they receive sense! I have worked with white man's and black man's companies, the difference is clear. We look for everytother person to blame for vile behaviours. I am fully igbo, proudly as black as it gets. Yes, my people need to up their game! and I will keep rubbing it in your faces.... |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by HomeOfMe(f): 10:20am On Jul 17, 2018 |
flyca:Take a chill pill,I ain't fighting with no one..,you only live once,life isn't that complicated,God bless you. |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by theDEVILisHERE: 12:05pm On Jul 17, 2018 |
Any confession done in the church or mosque is a waste of time You're actually heepng more course on your self.. Go and do that to in ur 'spirituality... ...blackman |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by ELKHALIFAISIS(m): 1:21pm On Jul 17, 2018 |
MartinCorridon:slave have taken over Lagos deal with it ntoor |
Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by MartinCorridon: 1:26pm On Jul 17, 2018 |
ELKHALIFAISIS: Keep deceiving yourself with delusions of grandeur
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Re: Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani: My Great-Grandfather, Nigerian Slave-Trader - New Yorker by flyca: 1:47pm On Jul 17, 2018 |
HomeOfMe:Fighting ke? Azzzinn - me, fight? Lol Nne just agree that you quoted me in a hurry or just ignore everything and pass 1 Like |
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