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Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by Paentera(m): 2:55pm On Jul 18, 2018
murmee:
I have always known that the Meter Assets Providers (MAP) thing is a fluke. The major enemy of Electricity Consumers is NERC. If NERC wants MAP to work, it will work.

The Agency first said that MAP will start in April. The date suddenly shifted to September. Right now, they are not saying anything again.

NERC is a highly corrupt agency. They are not on the side of Electricity consumers at all. NERC is working for the DISCOS!

NERC's MAP regulation commenced on April 3rd after being signed on March 28, 2018. It was originally expected to kick off on July 3 after a no objection given to the registered MAPs. The whole exercise was expected to be concluded within 120 days from April 3 as MAPs are expected to sign MOU with DISCOs to start installing meters for their customers.

Unfortunately, by the time the No Objection was given to the MAPs in June, 77 days had lapsed so DISCOs & MAPs requested an extension and were granted until October 2, 2018 for the exercise to commence.

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Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by ThatCEO: 3:26pm On Jul 18, 2018
obailala:
Hmmm.. This is really interesting and gives one some hope. But like seriously, if solar systems are really as effective and affordable, why isn't it already so popular?... Why would I spend over N3million buying a 15-20kva sound proof diesel generator which would still cost me about N50-N100k weekly on diesel if I could cough out say N6million and get an efficient solar system with very insignificant running costs?... If solar systems are truly as cost effective and efficient, how come the testimonials of the current users hasn't flooded Nigeria's media space?.... A lot of guys in Nigeria buy cars worth over N5-10million in cash, with this amount, they can kiss NEPA, estimated billing and generator noise/fumes goodbye; but that doesn't seem to be the case. I wouldn't want to believe people are just not aware of the existence of solar technology; there must be another reason why it isn't yet so popular in Nigeria as it should be.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting the beauty of solar technology as an alternative to the frustrating NEPA and generators, I just feel there must be a (possibly hidden sour) reason why it isn't so popular yet.

I think it's just in our head, the "herd mentality." Just the way everyone in Nigeria believes the Toyota is king of cars. Once we are stuck with one thing, we don't want to change. Also it could be because people are scared the thing breaking down and no where to repair, but they never get spoilt. Total pump station at Ikeja is being run on solar n they probably have 12 pumps or so, aside the auto worksho and automated car wash (never seen them use it tho).

I also think it's up to the government too, people abroad usually get a tax "write off" of some kind for going solar. Government even offer financing for it.

I personally feel it's down to reliability. People don't feel they can trust the system, some might just feel it's too good or too easy to be true. But if you have a 5Kva system and your gen, the solar will power the TV and all, and gen can be used at night from say like 3hours cos of AC. You will be surprised that House members won't really bother so much about AC, if they are watching TV. Even you would start seeing lesser need for the AC. So, you can try a hybrid structure. NEPA, Gen and Solar, see how it goes before making the complete switch. All those power sucking OX fan needs to go too. I read somewhere that a Chinese company want to start producing panels in Nigeria, hopefully the generator guys won't frustrate them out of business.

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Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by ernecy(m): 3:30pm On Jul 18, 2018
Omooba77:
A 2 bed room flat with no occupier from like 5:30 am till 5:30pm is still being billed estimatedly like #30,000 ; whereas a prepaid user of same structure dont use beyond #5000 per month. We can not continue like tjis; some of the marketers have told me they are given targets to meet.
5k is too much, I spend like 2.5k, every month

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Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by emmie14: 3:47pm On Jul 18, 2018
IBBG:
the biggest mistake jonathan made was privatizing PHCN to our local investors. They are bunch of very useless investors.
Jonathan is not coming back. What is the solution. Forward ever

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Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by obailala(m): 3:58pm On Jul 18, 2018
NoToPile:


And for those of us that there is almost zero light our bills will be just like 600 naira with prepaid grin

Me I want prepaid meter oo. It's those with light in constant areas that reject prepaid meter and that's where the discos take them too because they know they will make maximum profit there. Those of us that have bad supply they will stifle plans to get a meter because they know we can't be cheated again.

Ole them.
Hahaha.. One man's food is another man's poison. SOme people are fighting to get pre-paid meters, others are running away and bribing NEPA to remain on estimated. grin grin grin
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by chibjohn(m): 4:00pm On Jul 18, 2018
Stop spreading lies. Germany hasn't gone 100% renewable. Infact no country on earth has. Over 50% of Germany's power comes from non renewable sources.
izzou:
grin grin

Countries like Germany have gone 100% renewable.

I'll advise anyone who has the money, just start using solar. It's cheaper on the long run and it's reliable.

Even if it's one panel and one battery with one Pwm controller, just start.

Our power issues in this country can never and will never come to an end. It's not a curse
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by izzou(m): 4:07pm On Jul 18, 2018
chibjohn:
Stop spreading lies. Germany hasn't gone 100% renewable. Infact no country on earth has. Over 50% of Germany's power comes from non renewable sources.

Nepa agent.

Why don't you read up instead of boasting in your ignorance

I may be wrong about Germany ( I apologize) but why not check other countries? grin

Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by obailala(m): 4:08pm On Jul 18, 2018
ThatCEO:


I think it's just in our head, the "herd mentality." Just the way everyone in Nigeria believes the Toyota is king of cars. Once we are stuck with one thing, we don't want to change. Also it could be because people are scared the thing breaking down and no where to repair, but they never get spoilt. Total pump station at Ikeja is being run on solar n they probably have 12 pumps or so, aside the auto worksho and automated car wash (never seen them use it tho).

I also think it's up to the government too, people abroad usually get a tax "write off" of some kind for going solar. Government even offer financing for it.

I personally feel it's down to reliability. People don't feel they can trust the system, some might just feel it's too good or too easy to be true. But if you have a 5Kva system and your gen, the solar will power the TV and all, and gen can be used at night from say like 3hours cos of AC. You will be surprised that House members won't really bother so much about AC, if they are watching TV. Even you would start seeing lesser need for the AC. So, you can try a hybrid structure. NEPA, Gen and Solar, see how it goes before making the complete switch. All those power sucking OX fan needs to go too. I read somewhere that a Chinese company want to start producing panels in Nigeria, hopefully the generator guys won't frustrate them out of business.
If the Chinese guys start producing in Nigeria, that would be a wonderful development. About the generator guys fighting solar producers, that's one real problem with Nigerian businessmen - lack or foresight and flexibility/dynamism. What the generator guys fail to see is that they can actually switch from generator to solar business and make mega bucks.

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Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by obailala(m): 4:10pm On Jul 18, 2018
izzou:


[b]Nepa agent.

Why don't you read up instead of boasting in your ignorance

I may be wrong about Germany ( I apologize) but why not check other countries? grin[/b]
grin grin grin
Bro you wicked oo! how can you call someone 'NEPA agent'? grin grin
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by izzou(m): 4:14pm On Jul 18, 2018
obailala:
grin grin grin
Bro you wicked oo! how can you call someone 'NEPA agent'? grin grin

Na dem no want us to get light naa

India generated more than 600Mw of electricity from solar alone. In fact, that's the largest solar farm in the world. The documentary is online.

He's still deceiving himself that no country can generate it's whole electricity from renewable energy

grin
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by deolu2000(m): 4:14pm On Jul 18, 2018
The APC led government are never sincere here why the DISCOS are toing their path . The disappointing part of it is that the customers are the ones bearing all the brunt of their in competency and lack of focus.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by Paentera(m): 4:39pm On Jul 18, 2018
nokingasgod:
The truth is some investors jumped into the DISCO thing without due diligence. They thought the DISCO business will be like oil blocks or gsm paroles where money just rolls in anyhow. They are not willing to embark on long term investment. Now they realized it was a different ball game they simply resorted to extorting their customers.

I tell you they are worst compared to the old NEPA. In the days of NEPA, disconnections are done once in a month but with the IKEDC, their men go about week-in week-out with ladder extorting the hapless while threatening to disconnect them. I once confronted some in my area reminding them their colleagues came in the previous week and the excuse was that ''those ones that came last week are the task force, we are from the head-office'' Even NEPA at the height of its efficiency was never that bad!

To be honest, the investors were assured of certain obligations to be done by the government however to date, those obligations were not done:

1) NERC recommended a subsidy of N400bn over a five year period as a result of tariff shortfalls until commercialisation is achieved by 2018. FGN approved N200bn while the money was never provided for in the 2014 or 2015 budgets;

2) NERC was meant to review tariffs every six months to accommodate changes in inflation, exchange rate e.t.c. - between 2015-2016, there was already a shortfall of N256bn due to this tariff shortfall. By the time tariffs were reviewed in February 2016, official exchange rate had gone to N305/$1 while the tariffs to date is calculated at N198/$1. This revenue shortfall made it almost impossible for DISCO investors to meet their repayment obligations to their financing companies/institutions;

The government has to decide if it wants to make electricity a social product or a commercial one. Once it makes this decision, half of the issues in provision of electricity will be resolved.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by murmee: 4:43pm On Jul 18, 2018
Paentera:


NERC's MAP regulation commenced on April 3rd after being signed on March 28, 2018. It was originally expected to kick off on July 3 after a no objection given to the registered MAPs. The whole exercise was expected to be concluded within 120 days from April 3 as MAPs are expected to sign MOU with DISCOs to start installing meters for their customers.

Unfortunately, by the time the No Objection was given to the MAPs in June, 77 days had lapsed so DISCOs & MAPs requested an extension and were granted until October 2, 2018 for the exercise to commence.
I am appealing to everyone to take note of October 2, 2018. Let's see what they will come up with again!
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by ahmedbanj(m): 5:29pm On Jul 18, 2018
obailala:
I also heard a lot of people are rejecting it. My brother in PH previously paid about N15k monthly estimated billing and was lamenting. He got his PPM sometime last year and his bill jumped to over N35k monthly. By fire by force, he quickly learnt how to turn off his ACs which he runs almost 24 hours (he lives in an area where light is almost constant). Sometimes he now even rations the way he turns on his freezer; e.g. turn on only few hours a day, create blocks, and switch off for the rest of the day. The truth is that if everyone is given PPMs, the power bill of so many households (especially those with ACs) will double.

Oh ok, I get dat now
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by ahmedbanj(m): 5:32pm On Jul 18, 2018
lorhema:


His comment is true. I know a lady who refused to have a ppm installed in her business premises on Adeniran Ogunsanya street. It was free. She said her electricity bill would multiply and she'd rather continue to pay estimated bills. You can guess why.

okay...
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by Ganjafama(m): 5:38pm On Jul 18, 2018
obailala:
I also heard a lot of people are rejecting it. My brother in PH previously paid about N15k monthly estimated billing and was lamenting. He got his PPM sometime last year and his bill jumped to over N35k monthly. By fire by force, he quickly learnt how to turn off his ACs which he runs almost 24 hours (he lives in an area where light is almost constant). Sometimes he now even rations the way he turns on his freezer; e.g. turn on only few hours a day, create blocks, and switch off for the rest of the day. The truth is that if everyone is given PPMs, the power bill of so many households (especially those with ACs) will double.
How can you use AC and deep freezer 24 hours for30 days and still expect a lesser bill? The reason for meters is to enable you be in control of your power consumption.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by Nobody: 5:52pm On Jul 18, 2018
Omooba77:


http://punchng.com/metering-youre-telling-lies-power-distributors-reply-fashola/



He's a lawyer, He should be always wrong wen it comes to Energy generation matters.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by chibjohn(m): 5:53pm On Jul 18, 2018
You researched to prove me wrong which is good. If you had also done a local research you would also have found out that there is no entity called NEPA in the present day Nigeria let alone having an agent. Its good to learn that few countries have achieved that. Thanks for making me update my knowledge. That's the essence of public forums like this.

Reading down your wiki source you will see this "Albania has 94.8% of installed capacity as hydroelectric, 5.2% diesel generator; but Albania imports 39% of its electricity." So, all energy used in Albania can't be said to be 100% renewable even though there locally generated energy is 100% renewable.
izzou:


Nepa agent.

Why don't you read up instead of boasting in your ignorance

I may be wrong about Germany ( I apologize) but why not check other countries? grin
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by otokx(m): 7:25pm On Jul 18, 2018
Omooba77:


Discos are dishonest too sir, how can you give estimated bill of #30000 to 3-bdr flat?

Yes they are dishonest but officially so, there is a template for self contained, 1 bedroom, 2 bedroom, 3 bedroom in their documentation with government. 30000 is for a fully configured 3 bdr flat.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by poseidon12: 7:27pm On Jul 18, 2018
achmed1:
Was charged 16,000 for a mini flat last month. My next door neighbor using a prepaid meter spend BTW 2k to a Max of 5k a month.

Its just day light robbery.

It's your neighbors that are robbing you. Most consumers with prepaid meters are tampering with their meters. Your Disco knows how much energy they supply to the Feeder that serves your area. They subtract what the prepaid users recharge (which is not much since most are tampering). The balance is distributed among the unfortunate estimated bill clients. Some customers actually disable their meters and just use free energy which is still dumped on the estimated bill customer. If you suspect any underhand dealing by a neighbor, report to your Disco because you may end up paying your neighbor's bill.

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Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by poseidon12: 7:54pm On Jul 18, 2018
obailala:
Is solar really that effective?... Can it really produce the same amount of power as a simple 10 or 15kva diesel gen?... In a house which has a refrigerator, a deep freezer, 2 x 2horse power ACs and 3 x 1 hp ACs, what exactly is the size of the solar system that can efficiently power such a home 24hrs?... I'm giessing in that case, one might need to buy an extra plot of land by the side to install the solar cells, cos the roof space of this house would probably not be sufficient to take the number of cells required. Just thinking out loud!

If you are considering solar power, don't even consider air conditioners or clothes driers. Other than that, solar is the way to go in Nigeria if you have the fund. Upfront cost is high, but in the long run, far cheaper and more convenient than using a generator.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by poseidon12: 7:57pm On Jul 18, 2018
buhariguy:
this is one of the reason I will never forgive ineffectual buffoon,
He sold bedc to his wife and still gave them 230b naira as start-up capital from our Commonwealth,
This same arrangement he did in 2nd Niger bridge, to mortgage the future generation of Nigeria.

And the jobless aggressive lazy idiotic pigs of Biafra still love him as their hero and put the blame on buhari for their darkness.

You can imaging discos playing politics with light because they are all PDP.

Buhari should just terminate the sells.
And that is the next action with this their statement.

Keep supporting your bigoted Buhari. If he wins in 2019, you will definitely become a permanent slave to the Fulani.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by obailala(m): 8:01pm On Jul 18, 2018
poseidon12:


If you are considering solar power, don't even consider air conditioners or clothes driers. Other than that, solar is the way to go in Nigeria if you have the fund. Upfront cost is high, but in the long run, far cheaper and more convenient than using a generator.
Yeah.. but the problem really is that i cant survive without AC. That's the sad part.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by poseidon12: 8:08pm On Jul 18, 2018
CocoaOla:
the 419 fraudster called phcn did not bring light for 24 days they only flash the light for only 3 day in a month and the scammers still bring 22,000 naira monthly bill

okay I told them to disconnect me I don't want theirs light again they refused

I disconnected myself packed wire and dash them they still keep bringing bill for light that is disconnected oh their was a Country Hell hole and vicious human beings in power

If you want them to stop sending you bills you have to make the disconnection formal by writing them.

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Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by Chukwuka16: 12:20am On Jul 19, 2018
chibjohn:
You researched to prove me wrong which is good. If you had also done a local research you would also have found out that there is no entity called NEPA in the present day Nigeria let alone having an agent. Its good to learn that few countries have achieved that. Thanks for making me update my knowledge. That's the essence of public forums like this.

Reading down your wiki source you will see this "Albania has 94.8% of installed capacity as hydroelectric, 5.2% diesel generator; but Albania imports 39% of its electricity." So, all energy used in Albania can't be said to be 100% renewable even though there locally generated energy is 100% renewable.

I'm impressed with your stance. I wasn't going to participate but permit to clear the air.

No country worldwide runs on 100% renewables. It's an accounting misrepresentation much like the lies being perpetuated by Apple and Google that they power their data centres on 100% renewable.

It is possible that within a window the total electricity generated from installed renewable sources is over the demand for that same window. However because of the stochasticity and intermittency of renewable sources, matching demand with supply is still a problem. Even California with her impressive renewable portfolio imports 26% of her daily electricity. Same it has Germany and other cases.

Also hydroelectric power is not usually classed with mainstay renewables like solar and wind. HEPs in technical sense should be for peaking purposes. It's renewables in the general sense though.

Lastly, wiki sources aren't academic sources. Agreed they can guide but peer reviewed articles or outputs from IRENA or EIA or IEA of ISI etc would be better believed.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by Chukwuka16: 12:25am On Jul 19, 2018
izzou:


Nepa agent.

Why don't you read up instead of boasting in your ignorance

I may be wrong about Germany ( I apologize) but why not check other countries? grin

Your style of response is most impressive. While I may not agree with your main source or assertion (see my response above) I'm glad that you backed up your response with hard facts. Nigeria does indeed have hope.

Sincerely no country is running 100% on renewables. It's what I call accounting misrepresentation. Even the Nordic region with its impressive roll outs and Germany's Energiewende hasn't brought the results intended.

Most entities that claim so called 100% renewables run utilise renewable energy certificates which is like paying penance ahead of committing a crime. More like green indulgences.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by joyfullyjoyous(f): 3:21am On Jul 19, 2018
Disco reminds me of Disco dancers. No wonder Ikeja is dancing "on your own" in Ademola Nelson Bassey,Gbologe,Salvation,Oyewole Ajiboro,gando.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by automatix: 6:51am On Jul 19, 2018
obailala:
If the Chinese guys start producing in Nigeria, that would be a wonderful development. About the generator guys fighting solar producers, that's one real problem with Nigerian businessmen - lack or foresight and flexibility/dynamism. What the generator guys fail to see is that they can actually switch from generator to solar business and make mega bucks.
Nigerians don't know business. What they mostly practice is monopolistic market control.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by mostfavoured(m): 7:14am On Jul 19, 2018
ME I JUST NEED TO KEEP THESE FACTS FOR 2019 POTENTIAL LIARS

They said, “We do not understand the constant references to the increase of generation capacity to 7,000MW from 4,000MW for the period of 2015 to 2018 that has been used as the basis of defining the Discos as incapable of taking on more power – the stranded 2,000MW.

“A review of NERC’s ‘Daily Energy Watch’ for January 28, 2015 would indicate a generation availability of 6,421MW (divided into peak of 4,230MW and constrained energy of 2,191MW). In other words, it is misleading to state that available generation has grown from 4,000MW in 2015, as a measure of progress, given that a volume of generation slightly under 7,000MW already or previously existed, prior to the beginning of this administration.”

The firms added, “Furthermore, there is no stranded 2,000MW. While there is an available capacity of 7,000MW, the best that can be generated, at this time, is 5,000MW. This is because there is insufficient gas to power the thermal plants due to gas line limitations (for instance, the non-completion of the Oben pipeline) and the absence of a commercial framework that would encourage gas exploration. Generation that is constrained by gas amounts to an average 1,500MW daily.”
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by IBBG(m): 10:30am On Jul 19, 2018
emmie14:

Jonathan is not coming back. What is the solution. Forward ever
The govt know what to do, but they are colluding with this guys to steal from us.
Re: Metering: You’re Wrong, Power Distributors Reply Fashola by jozz(m): 6:09pm On Jul 21, 2018
IBBG:
Foreign investors were on standby with the money to invest, but he ignored them in favour of our local investors, now we are still enmeshed in the same endless cycle of darkness making it even more worse now than before. If the first batch of people we had privatized GSM to were our local investors, by now we would probably still be buying sim card at 20k. Our local investors are evil people. They are the antithesis of capitalism. The are an epitome and a paradigm of the extreme evil of capitalism. I don't really blame them, because they are in collusion with the government to rip us off

True talk. Best comment.

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