OMANBALA1:


Pride is a very destructive thing!! Infrastructure wise Kenya, Ghana and Rwanda has left Nigeria behind. Look at the quality of leaders they produce to begin with. Today, Niherians are trooping to Ghana, SA , Kenya to acquire quality education and you are here wasting your energy. Have listen to Uhuru , Akufo Addo and Kagame speak ? They exude immense knowledge and conviction. Nigeria on the other hand is still contemplating among Kwankwaso, Buhari, Dambazzu, Attiku and the rest of those trash who to elect....I am frustrated with our condition. Why can't we elect people in the mould of current Emir of Kano, Soludo, Kingsley Muoghalu and co. I don't mean to actually elect the guys I listed but Nigerians in their mould. What is wrong with Nigerian youths?

Eh, no thanks, I think I prefer the Nigerian leaders to the list of spear chukers you just mentioned.

OMANBALA1:


Pride is a very destructive thing!! Infrastructure wise Kenya, Ghana and Rwanda has left Nigeria behind. Look at the quality of leaders they produce to begin with. Today, Niherians are trooping to Ghana, SA , Kenya to acquire quality education and you are here wasting your energy. Have listen to Uhuru , Akufo Addo and Kagame speak ? They exude immense knowledge and conviction. Nigeria on the other hand is still contemplating among Kwankwaso, Buhari, Dambazzu, Attiku and the rest of those trash who to elect....I am frustrated with our condition. Why can't we elect people in the mould of current Emir of Kano, Soludo, Kingsley Muoghalu and co. I don't mean to actually elect the guys I listed but Nigerians in their mould. What is wrong with Nigerian youths?

Eh, no thanks, I think I prefer the Nigerian leaders to the list of spear chuckers you just mentioned.

You have a President who doesnt know how to treat the emotions of his people and the diversity....How can Buhari declear Ipob a terrorist group, that shows you what an ignorant and incompetent leader he is. Buhari told South Eastern Senators they should be glad he even appointed some of their sons ministers when they met him to discuss the non existence of a single Igbo man in his security appointments. This is very disheartening!

OMANBALA1:
Nigerians are hardworking and probably the most successful Africans due to our population and the very harsh system that has toughened us and made it literally impossible for us not to survive anywhere. But actually it is not a positive thing because it has compelled us to sustain and bear pains sufferings. We are more desperate and will do unbelievable things just to get by in life due to hopelessness. Nigerians are aggressive, rude and unrefined yet they mistake it for "confidence". We need a President who will change the thought process and worldview of the average Nigerian because it faulty.

You can insult the Igbos and call me IPOB or whatever but these are facts.

If I may ask. Why do you think Igbos are disliked? (I learned that here I had no idea). Were Igbos justified with the first Biafra war? Do you think Igbos are responsible for the mayhem in Naija or is their agitation (and subsequent hate) a result of other issues that were/went wrong? Im asking cuz recently I watched a speech called The Danger of a Single Story by Chimamanda Adichie and I was impressed then I learned she's Igbo! Sorry to sound tribalistic but Igbos seem to produce too many sensible and bright people to be as terrible as they are presented here.

Litmus:


Eh, no thanks, I think I prefer the Nigerian leaders to the list of spear chuckers you just mentioned.

You are one of the problems of Nigeria. You are shortsighted and this hurts my soul. Look at where Nigeria is today? The poorest country in the world! I hope you derive pride in that.

TayserMahiri:


If I may ask. Why do you think Igbos are disliked? (I learned that here I had no idea). Were Igbos justified with the first Biafra war? Do you think Igbos are responsible for the mayhem in Naija or is their agitation (and subsequent hate) a result of other issues that were/went wrong? Im asking cuz recently I watched a speech called The Danger of a Single Story by Chimamanda Adichie and I was impressed then I learned she's Igbo! Sorry to sound tribal but Igbos seem to produce too many sensible and bright people to be as terrible as they are presented here.

Alot of factors contributed to the resentment of Igbos in Nigeria but I think the lumping of the three major ethnic groups were the root of the problem.

These ethnic groups has major differences that separates them. Their world views are very different, culture is different and before the amalgamation they knew little about each other.

Upon independence there were bound to be lack of trust because they do not know each other very well and has not developed enough interactions to iron out their differences.


I will deliver my points in little details but stay with me.

The northern Nigeria has a much simpler governing system that made it easy for the Europeans to deal with but in the south we lived in little communities setting that made it very difficult to penetrate and get everybody into a single unit like the northern people.

This made the European to favor a northern leadership and Tafawa Balewa (Fulani)was made the Prime Minister and (Igbo)Nnamdi Azikiwe a mere ceremonial President. But people in the south, especially the Igbos were very enterprising by nature and quickly took up alot of vital positions even in the north and that created fear in the northern people.

OMANBALA1:


Alot of factors contributed to the resentment of Igbos in Nigeria but I think the lumping of the three major ethnic groups were the root of the problem.

These ethnic groups has major differences that separates them. Their world views are very different, culture is different and before the amalgamation they knew little about each other.

Upon independence there were bound to be lack of trust because they do not know each other very well and has not developed enough interactions to iron out their differences.


I will deliver my points in little details but stay with me.

I appreciate that short synopsis, Im all ears. I'm really tired of this Ipob/Igbo hatred that I cant begin to understand its root cause especially when I look at the type of people posting. I want to hear the Igbo side of the story!. You'll probably get abused for it as you already said you're Igbo and I might as well be responsible for the stick you get but Im willing to flirt with this thorny issue!

OMANBALA1:
The northern Nigeria has a much simpler governing system that made it easy for the Europeans to deal with but in the south we lived in little communities setting that made it very difficult to penetrate and get everybody into a single unit like the northern people.

This made the European to favor a northern leadership and Tafawa Balewa (Fulani)was made the Prime Minister and (Igbo)Nnamdi Azikiwe a mere ceremonial President. But people in the south, especially the Igbos were very enterprising by nature and quickly took up alot of vital positions even in the north and that created fear in the northern people.

Point noted. I get it as follows thus far:

1. Europeans arrive
2. Northerners are easier to govern due to their system which I presume you mean was closer to modern day states as opposed to southerners who were pretty much still in the good old dark ages.
3. Igbos prove to be smart folks anyway and start running things everywhere even up north.
4. Please continue sir.

But I need to describe the mindset of an Igbo man and how it has caused us alot of problems. The Igbo man believe in the concept that every man is a king in his own right and we have a very different governing system before the Europeans arrived. The Igbo man doesn't attach too much importance to a king unlike some Nigerian groups even in the south. The Igbo practiced a democracy like system.

OMANBALA1:
But I need to describe the mindset of an Igbo man and how it has caused us alot of problems. The Igbo man believe in the concept that every man is a king in his own right and we have a very different governing system before the Europeans arrived. The Igbo man doesn't attach too much importance to a king unlike some Nigerian groups even in the south. The Igbo practiced a democracy like system.

Ok.

I never personally saw an oppressed Igbo man. least not one singled out from amidst others.

Anyway, I shouldn't be arguing, not too much of it in any case for I learned long ago that arguments far from improving knowledge, distorts useful truths.

Oppressed in what sense?

Genocide against the igbos was one of the factors that made them hate Nigeria for what they did to them.

Litmus:
I never personally saw an oppressed Igbo man. least not one singled out from amidst others.

Anyway, I shouldn't be arguing, not too much of it in any case for I learned long ago that arguments far from improving knowledge, distorts useful truths.

You have been engaging in nonsense arguments here for ages and suddenly you came back to your senses

ghostfacekillar:
Genocide against the igbos was one of the factors that made them hate Nigeria for what they did to them.

Which one came first? The hatred or the genocide. Definitely the hatred. Which was likely brought about by something else (perhaps the domination Omanbala mentioned in previous post).

So Nigerians hated Igbos first (for being dominant), killed them, Igbos then hated Nigerians, but Nigerians are more than Igbos so their hate is more pronounced. Sounds like the correct chronology.

Litmus:
I never personally saw an oppressed Igbo man. least not one singled out from amidst others.

Anyway, I shouldn't be arguing, not too much of it in any case for I learned long ago that arguments far from improving knowledge, distorts useful truths.

litmus. The igbos are been oppressed but they are very hard working people. They always find a way to survive more than the soposed benefactors of one Nigeria... If you start looking at what they ave done for themselves. U will be asking urself how are they oppressive even when it is there for the whole world to see

TayserMahiri:


Which one came first? The hatred or the genocide. Definitely the hatred. Which was likely brought about by something else (perhaps the domination Omanbala mentioned in previous post).

So Nigerians hated Igbos first (for being dominant), killed them, Igbos then hated Nigerians, but Nigerians are more than Igbos so their hate is more pronounced. Sounds like the correct chronology.

yes. It was all about the domination. The occupied offices and positions even in the north. And there was this video where a saudana was making bad remarks about the igbos... A very old video in black and white

ghostfacekillar:
yes. It was all about the domination. The occupied offices and positions even in the north. And there was this video where a saudana was making bad remarks about the igbos... A very old video in black and white

That occupation of offices must have been facilitated by Nnamdi Azikiwe who was ceremonial President? No?

Still waiting for a fearless Igbo to say their side of the story.

Why do they hate you?

TayserMahiri:


That occupation of offices must have been facilitated by Nnamdi Azikiwe who was ceremonial President? No?

no. He didn't. Back then things were working. The igbos were . well educated and where very competent to hold such positions during that time..they ave made marks in the society during that time when Nigeria irrespective of tribe was one and people are sworn into office due to one or two skills they possess in different sectors of the government and luckily igbos were skilled and influential people and got more positions due to how competent they where in executing their functions

TayserMahiri:
Still waiting for a fearless Igbo to say their side of the story.

Why do they hate you?

dominance followed by the coup

There are a lot of Igbo adages that encourages the people to aspire to become not just rich but very wealthy and most Igbos carry ideology into their various endeavors. This ideology, however, is very intelligent but due to the fact that in Nigeria there is no law and order nor discipline coupled with lack of a true leader who can craft and shape the minds of the youths with ideas and words many things were were left unfixed. Corruption eroded the very fabric of the system and everything fell apart.

I needed to nibble on this issue a little before I dip into the soup. Hang on.

ghostfacekillar:
no. He didn't. Back then things were working. The igbos were . well educated and where very competent to hold such positions during that time..they ave made marks in the society during that time when Nigeria irrespective of tribe was one and people are sworn into office due to one or two skills they possess in different sectors of the government and luckily igbos were skilled and influential people and got more positions due to how competent they where in executing their functions

How did it happen that Igbos were well educated compared to the rest of the Nigerians? (Im presuming they got those positions because the other Nigerians lacked similar skills). Did they have more schools/universities/infrastructure/govt support or did they just make their own husle to get schooled by e.g flying abroad, building their own schools etc?

OMANBALA1:
There are a lot of Igbo adages that encourages the people to aspire to become not just rich but very wealthy and most Igbos carry ideology into their various endeavors. This ideology, however, is very intelligent but due to the fact that in Nigeria there is no law and order nor discipline coupled with lack of a true leader who can craft and shape the minds of the youths with ideas and words many things were were left unfixed. Corruption eroded the very fabric of the system and everything fell apart.

I needed to nibble on this issue a little before I dip into the soup. Hang on.

So far so good. Sounds like a cultural-ideological thing among the Igbos to get filthy rich, and deducing from where you left it at, the Igbos went overboard when the system fell apart. Im getting a little ahead ofcourse but dont worry. Im really waiting for the Biafra war part but please go step by step. I can wait! If you can explain who left the system to fall apart I will be glad. Was it the Igbos or the Northerners or everyone?

TayserMahiri:


How did it happen that Igbos were well educated compared to the rest of the Nigerians? (Im presuming they got those positions because the other Nigerians lacked similar skills). Did they have more schools/universities/infrastructure/govt support or did they just make their own husle to get schooled by e.g flying abroad, building their own schools etc?

it was due to influence of white missionaries in igboland.. They where xposed to western education on time .. And also they contributed immensely with fellow Nigerians to gain independence from Britain. I don't knw what to call it but itz inborn.it seems like a gift. They are industrial people who always leave good marks wherever they go..in Nigeria. In trading u cannot compete with igbos on dat and lots of things. Itz jst luck on their side and what is keeping them to sow more higher is oppression

ghostfacekillar:
it was due to influence of white missionaries in igboland.. They where xposed to western education on time .. And also they contributed immensely with fellow Nigerians to gain independence from Britain. I don't knw what to call it but itz inborn.it seems like a gift. They are industrial people who always leave good marks wherever they go..in Nigeria. In trading u cannot compete with igbos on dat and lots of things. Itz jst luck on their side and what is keeping them to sow more higher is oppression

I thought europeans favored northerners. I didnt get the highlighted part. Do Nigerians think Igbos are smarter than them? I mean if they can beat y'all in business and classwork! Do you mean they beat even Yorubas? I learnt Wole Soyinka is Yoruba and they seem to be rather smart folks as well. He is my favorite Nigerian author.

TayserMahiri:


I thought europeans favored northerners. I didnt get the highlighted part. Do Nigerians think Igbos are smarter than them? I mean if they can beat y'all in business and classwork! Do you mean they beat even Yorubas? I learnt Wole Soyinka is Yoruba and they seem to be rather smart folks as well. He is my favorite Nigerian author.

European favoured northerners because they can be easily manipulated and it is still happening till now. It is not about education. Ave u head above boko haram. It means say no to western education..the problem in the north is education. Noo good school over there even though most of the leaders are from there but I don't knw why they ave refused to build more schools for there people. and those who happened to get educated will use the advantage over them... Yorubas are also smart. Nobody is doubting that. . Many Nigerians know that the igbos are smart but hate is the bane of it all.. About the igbos and. yorubas who is better. I rather leave that cos it will cause problems here.. If igbos are not oppressed. Nigeria will be better for good. During the past government of Goodluck Jonathan. The people who contributed immensely in some office they hold did a good job and they are igbos. That's y they ave been clamoring for an independent nation. Soyinka is a good writer and one of the people I look up to

If you are actully Igbo and not TayserMahiri wanking stop being gullible and replying to him.

ghostfacekillar:
European favoured northerners because they can be easily manipulated and it is still happening till now. It is not about education. Ave u head above boko haram. It means say no to western education..the problem in the north is education. Noo good school over there even though most of the leaders are from there but I don't knw why they ave refused to build more schools for there people. and those who happened to get educated will use the advantage over them... Yorubas are also smart. Nobody is doubting that. . Many Nigerians know that the igbos are smart but hate is the bane of it all.. About the igbos and. yorubas who is better. I rather leave that cos it will cause problems here.. If igbos are not oppressed. Nigeria will be better for good. During the past government of Goodluck Jonathan. The people who contributed immensely in some office they hold did a good job and they are igbos. That's y they ave been clamoring for an independent nation. Soyinka is a good writer and one of the people I look up to

That is not correct ,please. Let shove sentiments aside and show integrity and forthrightness. If you want a change start with the man in the mirror. The northerners has a well structured and governable state and that favored them unlike Igbos that didnt have a well organized single structure that can easily be governed. The northerners ,by the was were very intelligent too and you can see how it has benefited them.They played a better politics because they have experience from building an empire.

Litmus:


Nigeria is way too advanced to be comparing themselves to Kenya, Ghana and the rest. Roll with dogs and you'll rise with fleas. Like I stated earlier, mistake Nigerians made is the conscious shift from compering themselves with the best in the rest of the world to comparing themselves with lowly African Nations.This shift in expectation from the West to substanderd sub Saharan Africa will only result in ever decreasing Nigeria standerds to the delight of Nigerian leaders.Keep the pressure on our leaders. Nigerians need to return to aiming to be better infrastructurely than nations of the West. Aim for the best and you fail you'll still have achieved more than if you aim to compete with mediocrity.

Advanced in what bro ?

After the northern Nigeria took over the government of the newly created country with Tafawa Balewa(Fulani) at the helms of of affairs there was widespread corruption by the government appointees. Ministers were living lavish and extravagant lifestyles and there was need to restore some accountability and orderliness ,henceforth, the coup. The purpose of the coup was to seize power from the corrupt politicians and restore sanity. However, most of the coup plotters were of "Igbo" extraction and most of the executed politicians were northerners including influential figures like Sarduana of Sokoto and Tafawa Balewa, the prime minister.