TheGoodJoe:


Isaac Success played wide most of the time. As a striker, he offers more ruthlessness in front of goal. That is what boss Icon4s is talking about.

Kog45:
Yes i know he played wide but my question is Isaac Success a solution at WC and what do you mean by ruthlessness for a player with 17 goals in 98 appeara.

Kog45:
I think it is time we should stop rating our player based on their under age national teams exploit especially if they are not moving as expected in their careers.

I remember telling who care to listen that Osimhen must go on loan or else he goes Christanaus Macaulay way but really surprised to see comparison between him and Origi meaning we are not facing the realty in assessing our players.

Honestly am disappointed hearing that Osimhen must go on trial to secure a loan move and player like Awoniyi has four clubs trying to get him on loan.Also Oyekwuru moved to Galatasaray with good pay as a loan player.

It's time for our players especially youth players to consider their development than just sign for any clubs

TheGoodJoe:


As a striker, Success offers a higher conversion rate than what above shows because he played mostly as a wide player.

TheGoodJoe:


That is just a quality attribute of Richarlison, not the only attribute that worths his value. Keep in mind, Richarlison is also one of the most hardworking players in the EPL. Covers a large distance during play, contributes offensively and defensively. He is good on the ball, skillful and has an eye to give a good pass. He is also a good crosser. A little polishing on his finishing and Everton will have a top quality player. He was one of the players I enjoyed watching last season.

This clip gives a hint of Richarlison's quality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZMYYNYJwD8

goldfish80:


Ighalo was more decisive for Watford than this guy. What's the rationale paying £50M for someone who didn't score a single goal in the 2nd half of last season?
We are not talking about a proven talent. He's not even an international for his Brazil. His first season in Europe, he score just 5 times and while at Brazil he has never hit double figures in his career.
You pay £50M for 5 goals? Laughable for a club like Everton to have paid £90M for Richarlison and Sigurdson combined. Lol

TheGoodJoe:


Awoniyi also made series of loan moves before achieving his current status. Osimhen is still a very young player developing and will find his feet with the right system and support. The U17 is a ground for identifying talents and just like the last World Cup paraded some good previous U17 talents like Neymar, Pogba and Hazard, it remains a yardstick for knowing players that show promise.

It takes hard work and dedication to convert it to a gold mine and also commitment of outside sources.

Kog45:
As U17 player abi or Granada B player cos he had 7 goals in 7 appearances for eaglet which was awesome and also 9 goals in 20 appearances for Granada B team.

But as a wide player i don't see Success Isaac as a solution to our striking issues at WC.And as a striker his stats as pro player doesn't guarantee it.

Kog45:
I'm not disputing his talent but better for him to go on loan than wasting away in very average team like Wolfsburg.

My point is why on trial to secure a loan move to Belgium league,not really good for his stocks.

tbaba1234:
Isaac Success appears to be taking his career a lot more seriously. He did a lot of work personally even before the preseason started. So far, he has been one of the most impressive Watford players in preseason. If he continues, he might get back to a good level.

tbaba1234:


Too much money for a potential.

TheGoodJoe:


I do not think we should tag one of the most hardworking players in the EPL a potential. Players are not judged only by goals but other contributions which Richarlison delivers in large amount.

TheGoodJoe:


Iwobi is better on the ball, better vision and technique, no doubt. Richarlison does not fall far behind in respect of these. He is also good on the ball, has a nice vision and good technique too. But, trumps Iwobi hands down in hardwork on and off the pitch. Richarlison is a very disciplined player. Trains hard and takes his preparation seriously. He is also in perfect shape with a goal of becoming a top player.

Certainly a far better player than Iwobi.

I wish our youngsters can learn from Richarlison.

edi287:

Might be more disciplined but Iwobi is more talented and has done more in my book.
I think people are starting to underrate Iwobi now. Of course he hasn't helped himself but that doesn't negate his ability.

tbaba1234:


I saw this comparison by one Watford fan when talking about Isaac Success.

tbaba1234:
Dalung, Giwa and Pinnick should resolve their problems and save us from a FIFA ban.

goldfish80:


Ighalo was more decisive for Watford than this guy. What's the rationale paying £50M for someone who didn't score a single goal in the 2nd half of last season?
We are not talking about a proven talent. He's not even an international for his Brazil. His first season in Europe, he score just 5 times and while at Brazil he has never hit double figures in his career.
You pay £50M for 5 goals? Laughable for a club like Everton to have paid £90M for Richarlison and Sigurdson combined. Lol

Kog45:
No chief

The same Isaac Success had just 17 goals with almost 100 caps as a pro.

Sir,i think you are still rating this guy based on his U17 performance.

Kog45:
No chief

The same Isaac Success had just 17 goals with almost 100 caps as a pro.

Sir,i think you are still rating this guy based on his U17 performance.

TheGoodJoe:


Isaac Success played wide most of the time. As a striker, he offers more ruthlessness in front of goal. That is what boss Icon4s is talking about.

Kog45:
I think it is time we should stop rating our player based on their under age national teams exploit especially if they are not moving as expected in their careers.

I remember telling who care to listen that Osimhen must go on loan or else he goes Christanaus Macaulay way but really surprised to see comparison between him and Origi meaning we are not facing the realty in assessing our players.

Honestly am disappointed hearing that Osimhen must go on trial to secure a loan move and player like Awoniyi has four clubs trying to get him on loan.Also Oyekwuru moved to Galatasaray with good pay as a loan player.

It's time for our players especially youth players to consider their development than just sign for any clubs

TheGoodJoe:


Awoniyi also made series of loan moves before achieving his current status. Osimhen is still a very young player developing and will find his feet with the right system and support. The U17 is a ground for identifying talents and just like the last World Cup paraded some good previous U17 talents like Neymar, Pogba and Hazard, it remains a yardstick for knowing players that show promise.

It takes hard work and dedication to convert it to a gold mine and also commitment of outside sources.

tbaba1234:
The first consideration for Nigerian youth players is money. Players are not looking for the best deal for their careers, they are looking for who pays more.

The two Nwakalis had the world at their feet at the end of the under 17 WCs, They could have started off at smaller clubs where they get the chance of development and stability. Instead, they join big teams that ship them on loan to a new club each season. English teams where it is difficult to get work permits.

Musa Muhammad made the decision to go to Turkey and he is nowhere. Musa Yahaya is stuck in Porto's B team.

Look at the trajectory of Ndidi's career, he started at a small club where he got the needed minutes to improve. If he keeps building on his game, he might be at a major club soon.

tbaba1234:
The first consideration for Nigerian youth players is money. Players are not looking for the best deal for their careers, they are looking for who pays more.

The two Nwakalis had the world at their feet at the end of the under 17 WCs, They could have started off at smaller clubs where they get the chance of development and stability. Instead, they join big teams that ship them on loan to a new club each season. English teams where t is difficult to get work permits.

Musa Muhammad made the decision to go to Turkey and he is nowhere. Musa Yahaya is stuck in Porto's B team.

Look at the trajectory of Ndidi's career, he started at a small club where he got the needed minutes to improve. If he keeps building on his game, he might be at a major club soon.

komekn:


I agree but I would look at in context and add the activities of our agents , NFF, club owners

The problem is thier greedy uncaring uninformed agents who tie them to slave contracts. In addition look at them as cattle to be sold to the highest bidder.

Go to Belguim in Antwep and see hundred of Nigerian footballers brought to Europe and abandoned, now washing cars to survive after shattered dreams. Even in Turkey too.

Then add to that the age cheating, behind the age cheating are agents and Nigerian football academy owners. It's all very elaborate manipulation. Men of 30 brought to Europe as teenager or 21 year old , it then within a few years becomes apparent.

I feel sorry for these boys thrown to these hungry Sharks and Piranha fish called agents.

tbaba1234:
The first consideration for Nigerian youth players is money. Players are not looking for the best deal for their careers, they are looking for who pays more.

The two Nwakalis had the world at their feet at the end of the under 17 WCs, They could have started off at smaller clubs where they get the chance of development and stability. Instead, they join big teams that ship them on loan to a new club each season. English teams where it is difficult to get work permits.

Musa Muhammad made the decision to go to Turkey and he is nowhere. Musa Yahaya is stuck in Porto's B team.

Look at the trajectory of Ndidi's career, he started at a small club where he got the needed minutes to improve. If he keeps building on his game, he might be at a major club soon.

goldfish80:


It is most unfortunate that just a handful of our 2013/2015 U17 world champions are playing at decent level. The rest of them are either out of contracts or vanished into obscurity.
We would have been screaming age cheat if this was Pre-MRI.
You can sight the Ndidi example but many of those boys went to mid range clubs yet haven't gotten to Ndidi's level.
The bottom line is that if we fail to build our league and solemnly depend on European clubs to develop our talents, nothing, I repeat, absolutely nothing will change from this reverse developments.
If FIFA's ban will lead to a restructure of Nigerian football, I am all for it. This scam empire should to be ripped apart.