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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 10:20am On Jul 22, 2018
elyte89:


D only reason ndidi made such move was because he had no oppt of joining a big club since d MRI ruled him out for d u17.its only on dis thread we seem to paint every "perfect" as if we re no longer nija breeds, castigating our players going for money b4 career.

If we re also faced with d same opportunity, we would also go for money b4 career considering d country economy and also where we re coming from,we can't ignore dt reality

A read somewhere dt a certain olayinka left his club in belgium to a club Czech and we re saying its a bad move,who told u its a bad move,considering d money involve and also his REAL age? Coupled with our situation here in nigeria grin grin,if I b d guy broda,and he refuses to move,na FAMILY MEETIN STRAIGHT grin

Even an Ndidi who is our hottest "thorough bred Nigeria player"(not half bristish,German/nija players o)those ones might not move,nidid will go to China if dey meet his buy out clause and he is given a juicy contract of €20M per year.he won't think twice b4 leaving,to hell with what sport pundit will write or say abt d move when thick money is involved.

I laughed reading this but you made good points. Many players are from poor backgrounds with plenty mouths to feed so money is the first consideration.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:37am On Jul 22, 2018
komekn:


Consider the bold for me it's a ground for potential talent in theory. However, in Nigeria because of our penchant for arrangements,favoritism nepotism and under table deals. We are not always sure.

We kill it at youth level and that's where it mostly ends.

Consider our class of 2009 and compare us the runners up to those teams that got to quarter finals. See thier player development.

Awoniyi is the same age bracket as Osimhen has gone far far ahead of him in every respect. The two can not compared. Awoniyi is moving up Osimhen us down and moving nowhere.

Awoniyi he has numerous clubs after him if not for work permit issues he will on loan in the championship.

Osimhen is still literally a youth player in lowly Bundesliga club. These matters must be seen in context. If for instance he was in Bayern and played 13 games in two seasons we could say progress although very slow.

But he is in a club with very limited competition yet he is doing Little or nothing.

Why was Awoniyi not invited to the SE there 100% more rational and justification. But he was not and Osimhen was.? ❓

Osimhen has done well so far. Even if he did not break through at Wolfsburg, he got a shot there. Awoniyi is over a year older than Osimhen, he is yet to get a full shot at a recognized club. Awoniyi has not slugged it out with players of the likes of Origi and Mario Gomez. So it is not accurate making it look like Awo had a smooth trajectory. He is still on loans, trying to make a name for himself.

Same with Osimhen. If the Belgian league pays off for Osimhen this season, I doubt I will rate him behind Awo. Awo made his break last season and Osimhen who is a year behind I think has learnt enough in the Bundesliga which Awo has not had that level of exposure, to make a shot for him self.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:40am On Jul 22, 2018
komekn:


Then what's his goal tally for such a RUTHLESSNESS how many goals did he score in the EPL and in La liga

Too much talk no deh, Issa goal, how many

Simple, Success came up as a striker and was identified as a potential quality hitman. Due to competition, he was forced to play wide, which hinders his finishing ability. Remember Lukaku playing wide at Chelsea and not looking top quality.

Boss Icon4s pointed out that if Success had a smooth path in his development as a striker, we would not have had our current striking problem. I wonder why such an accurate statement is causing people heartaches.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:41am On Jul 22, 2018
Icon4s:


That was because he was played wide.

Success is a natural CF.

I believe he would have flourished more if groomed as a CF. That boy had this killer instinct.

I say it again that if Isaac Success had fluorished to his potential someone like Ighalo would not have have been our top 9.

That is also the point being driven by TheGoodJoe.

The point is so simple. I tire.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:43am On Jul 22, 2018
edi287:

Might be more disciplined but Iwobi is more talented and has done more in my book.
I think people are starting to underrate Iwobi now. Of course he hasn't helped himself but that doesn't negate his ability.
In the current state of football, hard work and discipline edges talent. Richarlison is a monster on the pitch when it comes to hard work. So I doubt we can use Iwobi's balling talent to put him ahead of Richarlison.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:45am On Jul 22, 2018
tbaba1234:


He might be a good player but the price tag is too much.

If Kyle Walker and Stones could go for about £50m each, I doubt that is a big tag for a player like Richarlison.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:48am On Jul 22, 2018
Kog45:
I'm not disputing his talent but better for him to go on loan than wasting away in very average team like Wolfsburg.

My point is why on trial to secure a loan move to Belgium league,not really good for his stocks.



I take the time at Wolfsburg as a learning phase for the young man. Especially the time he worked with Mario Gomez. He would have picked some gems from the striker. From here, Osimhen is giving himself a shot to reach the top of the game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 10:51am On Jul 22, 2018
TheGoodJoe:

In the current state of football, hard work and discipline edges talent. Richarlison is a monster on the pitch when it comes to hard work. So I doubt we can use Iwobi's balling talent to put him ahead of Richarlison.
Still don't think he's ahead. Talented no doubt but Iwobi has balled against the likes of Barca and Chelsea. Iwobi 16/17 season was better than Richarlison 17/18. Had a better season than Iwobi last season but that's where it ends.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 10:52am On Jul 22, 2018
A hint of how high I rated Richarlison long before his current move. This comment was made during a discussion if Success should leave Watford and go on loan:

TheGoodJoe:

Nov. 24, 2017
Going on loan seems an easy way out. I say he slugs it out with Richarlison. Success should train to work harder and run faster on the pitch than Richarlison. If he achieves such work rate, I sort Marco Silva will pass on him. The most important thing is the work to get himself at an optimum level.

https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/super-eagles-thread-afcon-2019/2219
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:02am On Jul 22, 2018
Nov 25, 2017

TheGoodJoe:


If Success scores 20 goals in the Championship, it is not convincing enough to believe he can compete with Richarlison. Richarlison is the problem. He is a machine.

I say Success toughen up, work on his speed, change his diet, develop insane discipline and give Richarlison a run for his money. Marco Silva will give Success his chance if he shows improvement in training.

It is a tough call but it will get the best from Success.

https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/super-eagles-thread-afcon-2019/2220
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 11:11am On Jul 22, 2018
komekn:


You want to create a set of parameters to measure a player individually, that's BIAS.

Your injury record and recovery is part of your assessment. If you are injured for a whole season that works very negatively against you. You could be termed injury prone. Injury is part of football unfortunately.

You are so hell bent on justifying the unjustifiable. Victor was not injured for the whole season. Just the beginning and but was still not considered good enough. From December 2016 he was considered injury free, so effectively he was available for the larger part of the season. But only played 2 games of not more than 30 minutes for the 2016/17 season.

So in your quest to misrepresent you state the the bold he was injured all season. Do you agree that is totally UNTRUE.

My position on your comparison of 29 year old players I have made intrinsically clear. So you are being untruthful and misrepresenting me.

If you are 21 not playing in the first team you should be on loan. However, if you are not you growing dust and irrelevant. Essentially you are in regression. So because other boys have decided to fail in thier clubs, in the name of waiting for thier chance, until they rot, then he Victor should do the same. That's very bad advice. I'm sorry bro. .


Do you not find it ludicrous that the NFF then invited a youth player to the SE over and above far more deserving players.

I no talk again, I leave you to your opinion anchored on favoritism, bias, double standard and sentiment.

There u go again bending truths. He started his contract with Wolfsburg in December 2016 so how come only u has it that he was injury free at that time? Last I check by December almost half the season is gone so what larger part of the season are you talking about?

Now u want to play the victim instead of admitting you are wrong. I have given proof, I stand to be corrected. Players of all ages are on benches waiting to be given their chance, for goodness sakes that is why they call them squad players! Victor is not 21, he is 19. You are setting standards that don't exist. The journey to the top will always have many routes. At 22 Jesse Lingard only had 5 senior appearances for Leicester City but now he is a big player at man U and just finished playing the world cup.
Nobody is calling him the next best thing since sliced bread so there is no need to bash him. We can all just wait to see how he performs this season.


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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 11:13am On Jul 22, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


If Kyle Walker and Stones could go for about £50m each, I doubt that is a big tag for a player like Richarlison.

He had a fast start to season but finished very poorly. Watford should collect the money because that price is highway robbery.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 11:18am On Jul 22, 2018
TheGoodJoe:


If Kyle Walker and Stones could go for about £50m each, I doubt that is a big tag for a player like Richarlison.

Walker and Stones are English players, who are already overpriced. They were also bought by a billionaire club with money to spare, which also makes the selling club increase their price.

Richarlison does not tick those boxes.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 11:34am On Jul 22, 2018
Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Nigeria & Senegal were all eliminated in the group phase in Russia, leaving Africa without a rep in the knockout stage for the first time in 36 years.

Coaches & officials of the 5 countries are discussing the disappointing results at a debrief in Rabat.

#Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) president Amaju Pinnick, coach Gernot Rohr, AFCON 94 & Olympic Football Gold medallists�Daniel Amokachi & Emmanuel Amuneke in Rabat.

Others: CAF president, #Morocco & Djibouti FA bosses, Aliou Cisse, Patrick Mboma.

Credit: Oluwashina Okeleji




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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 11:47am On Jul 22, 2018
Icon4s:


That was because he was played wide.

Success is a natural CF.

I believe he would have flourished more if groomed as a CF. That boy had this killer instinct.

I say it again that if Isaac Success had fluorished to his potential someone like Ighalo would not have have been our top 9.

That is also the point being driven by TheGoodJoe.
Sir everything centred around 'IF" and your first post did not said "IF" cos i would have replied you in affirmative defense.

Since he did not flourished to his potential then no need to say he was our missing link at WC.

Hope to see better Isaac Success in the coming season.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:09pm On Jul 22, 2018
tbaba1234:
Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Nigeria & Senegal were all eliminated in the group phase in Russia, leaving Africa without a rep in the knockout stage for the first time in 36 years.

Coaches & officials of the 5 countries are discussing the disappointing results at a debrief in Rabat.

#Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) president Amaju Pinnick, coach Gernot Rohr, AFCON 94 & Olympic Football Gold medallists�Daniel Amokachi & Emmanuel Amuneke in Rabat.

Others: CAF president, #Morocco & Djibouti FA bosses, Aliou Cisse, Patrick Mboma.

Credit: Oluwashina Okeleji




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Nice one. Nice move. I wish I could get excerpts of the points Amunike made. Any chance for a video link?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 12:28pm On Jul 22, 2018
tbaba1234:
Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Nigeria & Senegal were all eliminated in the group phase in Russia, leaving Africa without a rep in the knockout stage for the first time in 36 years.

Coaches & officials of the 5 countries are discussing the disappointing results at a debrief in Rabat.

#Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) president Amaju Pinnick, coach Gernot Rohr, AFCON 94 & Olympic Football Gold medallists�Daniel Amokachi & Emmanuel Amuneke in Rabat.

Others: CAF president, #Morocco & Djibouti FA bosses, Aliou Cisse, Patrick Mboma.

Credit: Oluwashina Okeleji




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Let them discuss from now till ages.
U don't win laurels with averages and mediocres..

Let's admit it when it Comes to football, Africa is last on the food chain

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by gamaliel9: 12:36pm On Jul 22, 2018
The Isaac Success i saw yesterday against Dusseldorf was different from the one that played in Malaga. He looked fitter,faster and hungrier...but there is room fore more..His running off the ball was good..let the season begin ..lets see

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 12:40pm On Jul 22, 2018
krattoss:

Let them discuss from now till ages.
U don't win laurels with averages and mediocres..

Let's admit it when it Comes to football, Africa is last on the food chain

If my memory serves me right, u are a student. So why dont u talk like one?

This is a meeting with agendas, u dont even know if one of the agendas is to device a means to improve the African talents in order to have word class players instead of average players.

What did u think the meeting was for, if not to fashion a way for better improvements? Abi dem just wan go there for camaraderie?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 12:41pm On Jul 22, 2018
gamaliel9:
The Isaac Success i saw yesterday against Dusseldorf was different from the one that played in Malaga. He looked fitter,faster and hungrier...but there is room fore more..His running off the ball was good..let the season begin ..lets see

Oh u saw the match? Please was maduka okoye featured abi he was on the bench?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by gamaliel9: 12:43pm On Jul 22, 2018
This is the first time CAF, football associations,coaches and related bodies are coming together for a debrief after a world cup. Commendable...all it takes to win the world cup is proper youth development,good organisation,playing discipline,luck and referee reading the VAR in your favour...you are ready to go.. NO AMOUNT OF PRAYER CAN GIVE YOU THE COUPE MONDIALE[WORLD CUP]
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 12:46pm On Jul 22, 2018
Bar injuries, the five players I am certain will be recalled to the Eagles in September are;

Isaac Success, Henry Onyekuru, SiMoses, Larry Kayode and Sarenren Bazee.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 12:47pm On Jul 22, 2018
gamaliel9:
This is the first time CAF, football associations,coaches and related bodies are coming together for a debrief after a world cup. Commendable...all it takes to win the world cup is proper youth development,good organisation,playing discipline,luck and referee reading the VAR in your favour...you are ready to go.. NO AMOUNT OF PRAYER CAN GIVE YOU THE COUPE MONDIALE[WORLD CUP]

U get sense bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 12:53pm On Jul 22, 2018
Honorable members, please just see Wasiu Alalade's pictures in 2014 through this link;

https://www.soccerladuma.co.za/news/articles/local/categories/nigerian-premier-league/alalade-first-bank-fc-will-bring-premier-league-football-to-lagos/191089

I would have posted the pictures myself but I no sabi post pictures here. I want to learn though if anybody go teach me
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by gamaliel9: 12:59pm On Jul 22, 2018
ChrisKels:


Oh u saw the match? Please was maduka okoye featured abi he was on the bench?

I think their coach is trying out new players and some others...Maduka did not play...was not even on the bench.Perhaps he will feature in coming friendlies
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 1:06pm On Jul 22, 2018
goldfish80:

This is a great stat. He defends from the front, that's why he worth every penny. Jordan Ayew should be worth £80 at least.


In the Ayew football dynasty, the bolded is proving to be the best even much more than the the once heralded Andre (Dede).
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 1:37pm On Jul 22, 2018
tbaba1234:
Dalung, Giwa and Pinnick should resolve their problems and save us from a FIFA ban.

read somewhere today....buhari cautioned dalung to resolve the nff issue or else loose his job.
this is after the presidency was briefed by keyamo on the implication of fifa ban on his re-election bid...

to be honest dalung mastermind this crisis...so he should be asked to resolve it and buhari should please drop him... he is not competent.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 1:41pm On Jul 22, 2018
Kog45:
Sir everything centred around 'IF" and your first post did not said "IF" cos i would have replied you in affirmative defense.

Since he did not flourished to his potential then no need to say he was our missing link at WC.

Hope to see better Isaac Success in the coming season.


His season was blighted by injury and off field controversy. By the time he got to Malaga it was too late. He returned a better man and is willing to put in the work that his talent deserves, even getting a personal trainer for the offseason. I expect a monster season from Isaac nothing less because he has all the needed tools.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 1:43pm On Jul 22, 2018
edi287:

Useless agent. Very bad move from Olayinka.
More excuse for Rohr not to look at him
don't mind the vulture agent.... a player with so much assists last season...France won't have been a bad move for him.... at least some decent French clubs like nice and co could have opt for him still...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 1:52pm On Jul 22, 2018
BascoVanVeli:


His season was blighted by injury and off field controversy. By the time he got to Malaga it was too late. He returned a better man and is willing to put in the work that his talent deserves, even getting a personal trainer for the offseason. I expect a monster season from Isaac nothing less because he has all the needed tools.

Dude was a delight to watch in his last three matches for Malaga, he even won a man of the match award in one of the three matches where he was so unplayable.

If he could check his excesses and be lucky with injuries, he would be devastatingly awesome for Eagles as a top 9 flanked by onyekuru and Simon with either of Achor or healthy Bazee behind him.

Bazee has been superb so far in their preseason games
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 1:57pm On Jul 22, 2018
goldfish80:


These so called academies are glorified human trafficking rings. They take undocumented players to Norway, Belgium, Portugal and some of these Baltic countries for "hustling".
It is really sad their activities are not regulated. Some of them don't even have address. They train at community primary schools and other government facilities.
I met 3 Nigerian guys who were supposed to sign for Benfica but looking at them, you can tell they were working on construction sites in Portugal.
Somethings are better left unsaid.

Bro I have been to Portugal and I have seen how African players are treated. They get paid absolute peanuts.

Imagine a U21 youth player in a division 1 team in Portugal struggling to take home €1500 that's madness. They put them in hostels give a few games and sell. It's just marketing and business to them.

Thankfully TPI is now outlawed in Portugal and they have caught up with progressive Europe to some degree.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by gamaliel9: 1:59pm On Jul 22, 2018
Humility017:

don't mind the vulture agent.... a player with so much assists last season...France won't have been a bad move for him.... at least some decent French clubs like nice and co could have opt for him still...

Very silly i tell you...when i look at most of clubs our players sign...i just remember Mexico and Boxing...most Mexicans professionally fight to escape poverty...so do our players....who have brothers and sisters waiting,including cousin,nephews and nieces with extended hands. But it is baffling that those who need the money most rush to sign for the money and those who really have no immediate needs sign for fame..

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